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I think KC was the actor that SA and DR talked about that just waits around for their lines. Because she does look like a powered down robot when she's not speaking. I also don't think she was shading EBR or Felicity, I think she only thinks and cares about her own storylines. She doesn't pay attention to anyone elses, so she has no idea what they are doing. 

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Morrigan2575
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I always find it odd when people blame the writing for LLs failure. I'll give them that for Lauiver because of the whole cheating thing but, let's be honest if SA/KC had the chemistry that SA/EBR had,

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Sorry, that argument rings really hollow when the show has had a history of killing off/mistreating other female characters without a peep of protest from those same "concerned" people. Moira Queen, S

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I know that this is supposed to be Felicity's dark arc, but...Felicity desperately doing whatever she can to save people (damn the consequences down the road) doesn't make me think that she's losing w

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It feels inauthentic to me. How can you say "lost without you" to someone (who you've only worked with intermittently for the past year) and then put down the character that she's playing?

I know at least 2 different sets of friends who worked together, hung out, went to each other's wedding and one friend stabbed the other in the back, getting them fired in order to get a promotion. And I don't even work in Hollywood.

I don't think KC and EBR are Fake Friends but, like everything else in Hollywood, “me" comes first. I think KC was only worried about herself and trying to make it sound like Laurel has the better/best storyline.

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It feels inauthentic to me.  How can you say "lost without you" to someone (who you've only worked with intermittently for the past year) and then put down the character that she's playing?

She wasn't trying to put her down. And maybe she can say "lost without you" because she and Emily are both professional actresses who know that the show is just a show, and probably don't care half as much about their character's love lives or story details as some fans do. The show is just another job to them in the long run, even IF Katie was putting down Felicity, I doubt Emily is going to go home and cry into her pillow about it. They're both mature women who can put aside the contrived drama that occurs on the show and in the fandom to forge a friendship, and I like that about them.

 

Not every tweet from Katie has something malicious behind it, I don't see any hidden agenda here. Maybe these two actresses actually are friends and genuinely like hanging out together?

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Try working with someone everyday for a year, friendships blossom. They go on vacation together and it's friend talk.

I've had numerous workplace friends, been on the same team with them over several years.  I've never said "lost without you" to any of them.

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apinknightmare

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I have work friends that I hang out with outside of work, and we all tweet/text each other in over the top 'CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOU' 'WHEN WILL YOU BE COMING BACK TO ME' ways. I think it just depends on the work environment, etc. I think EBR and KC are just being over the top dramatic for entertainment's sake.  

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I have work friends that I hang out with outside of work, and we all tweet/text each other in over the top 'CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOU' 'WHEN WILL YOU BE COMING BACK TO ME' ways. I think it just depends on the work environment, etc. I think EBR and KC are just being over the top dramatic for entertainment's sake.

Seconded.

At my previous job if my favorite co workers left for more than three days I'd be blowing up their Facebook pages with my undying adoration and desire for them to return.

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. As far as Colton--I don't think they knew each other before Arrow.

 

 

 

I don't think Colton had spent much or any time in Canada prior to Arrow. So I don't think they knew each other. Could be wrong though.

They did have the advantage of living in the same apartment building though. EBR mentioned it in an early interview during season one. 

 

 It's a lot easier to hang out when your buddy is just on a different apartment floor. 

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Hey!! Have you seen "Felicity might die at the end of S4" theory floating around tumblr? Some say that losing Felicity might be the final test for Oliver. Felicity represents happiness to Oliver, so if she dies ,will he fall into darkness or stay in the light and fight in honor of Felicity. This will be a contrast to flashback Oliver(S5) who has already embraced the darkness. And this might be a possible way to bring back LOLiver
Sep 18, 2015 1:12 pm
http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/129358716046/hey-have-you-seen-felicity-might-die-at-the-end

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anonymous asks:

Hey!! Have you seen "Felicity might die at the end of S4" theory floating around tumblr? Some say that losing Felicity might be the final test for Oliver. Felicity represents happiness to Oliver, so if she dies ,will he fall into darkness or stay in the light and fight in honor of Felicity. This will be a contrast to flashback Oliver(S5) who has already embraced the darkness. And this might be a possible way to bring back LOLiver

Sep 18, 2015 1:12 pm

http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/129358716046/hey-have-you-seen-felicity-might-die-at-the-end

 

"LOLiver".. I love it, I may have to start using it.. the only problem is people may think i'm saying "lots of love" rather than "laughing out loud"

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jbuffyangel (Jennifer Knutson) is now writing for Tell-Tale TV (see tweet).  Her article on "13 Things We Want from The Flash Season 2" includes a section that I wholeheartedly agree with:

6. Less Oliver Queen condemnation.
 

One of my least favorite aspects of The Flash was how hard certain characters came down on Oliver Queen (Yeah, I’m looking at you JOE). Oliver Queen and Barry Allen are two vastly different characters who are developing as superheroes in vastly different ways. However, there seemed to be a focus on The Flash of consistently stating Oliver was somehow “less” than Barry because of those differences.
 

It doesn’t need to be a competition. Barry can be Barry. Oliver can be Oliver. But The Flash needs to kill the judgmental commentary on Oliver. For one, Arrow doesn’t make judgmental comments about Barry. Two, it shows a lack of empathy towards Oliver Queen, a character who survived actual hell. Three, it makes one of the most beloved Flash characters, Joe, seem sort of mean. Four, it shows a lack of respect for the predecessor who launched The Flash. There is no Flash without Arrow. There is no Barry Allen without Oliver Queen. Let’s play nice kids. There’s plenty of room in the superhero club for both.

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Press release about the Sept. 22, 2015 release of the Arrow S3 Blu-Ray & DVD...

 

Arrow - 'The Complete 3rd Season' Press Release is Drawn and Delivered
Posted by David Lambert  6/17/2015
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Arrow-Season-3/21216

BURBANK, CA (June 17, 2015) - Just in time for Arrow's fourth season on The CW, viewers can catch up with the action-packed series as Warner Bros. Home Entertainment and DC Entertainment release Arrow: The Complete Third Season on Blu-ray and DVD on September 22, 2015. Averaging 4.2 million viewers weekly for each original episode, Arrow is The CW's #2 show among Total Viewers, behind only The Flash! The release contains all 23 thrilling episodes from the third season that will have you on the edge of your seat, plus almost three hours of extra content, including episode commentaries, featurettes, deleted scenes, and a gag reel. Arrow: The Complete Third Season is priced to own at $59.98 SRP for the DVD and $60.10 SRP for the Blu-ray.
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SPECIAL FEATURES:
- Second Skins: Creating The Uniforms of Arrow
- Nanda Parbat: Constructing The Villain's Lair
- Two Arrow Audio Commentaries
- Arrow at Comic-Con 2014
- The Man Beneath the Suit - Atom's First Flight
- Gag Reel
- Deleted Scenes
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SPECIAL FEATURES:

- Second Skins: Creating The Uniforms of Arrow

- Nanda Parbat: Constructing The Villain's Lair

- The Man Beneath the Suit - Atom's First Flight

Sooo.... basically everything I disliked about season 3? Pass.

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kismet

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The highlights of the DVD extras are indicative of the season, which is why it was a low light for the series. Not even sure I want it from the bargain bin, but it might be tempting to complete the set for posterity sake.

 

I am eagerly awaiting the gag reel though hitting youTube. And maybe just maybe someone on the NP extra will finally tell us how many Pier 1s the LoA had to raid to accessorize their pad.

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bethy

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Well, they are "COMICBOOKresources.com"? Who else would they promote other than the one whose primary reason for existence is "because comics"? As soon as I saw the domain name I knew who they'd emphasize in terms of "the women of Arrow."

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I actually can't remember a single thing Laurel said this season aside from "I'm the justice you can't run from" and that's only because I found it funny. 

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lemotomato

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The featurettes are on the DVD, aren't they? Or compiled by WB to advertise the DVDs? I don't think they're website specific.

 

Anyway, from the clips it just looks like Laurel spent most of the season sniping at Oliver. There's your comic canon couple, folks.

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bethy

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Oh, are they? The youtube site said "Published on Sep 22, 2015 http://www.comicbookresources.com- ARROW Season 3 - Best Lines from the Cast HD (2015) Stephen Amell DC Comics Superhero." But maybe they're posting the DVD featurettes.

 

ETA: I just looked at the DVDs on Amazon and the features listed are - "Second Skins: Creating The Uniforms of Arrow · Nanda Parbat: Constructing The Villain's Lair · Two Arrow Audio Commentaries · Arrow at Comic-Con 2014 · The Man Beneath the Suit – Atom's First Flight · Gag Reel · Deleted Scenes"

 

So I don't think they're from the DVDs.

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Primal Slayer

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I loved Laurels lines when it came to Oliver. Especially the "what? Was my form off?" Though it wasn't in the video. She and Felicity, with Laurel having 1 more line then Felicity. Those 2 were the most featured so I'm good.

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apinknightmare

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I would've liked Laurel's lines to Oliver if they had come later in her "rise" when she was more capable and Oliver was refusing to see that, or if she was meant to be delusionally self-confident in a humorous way, but I'm not sure that's what they were going for. I think it's funny that she tried to zing him, but then still needed him to bail her out when she was in over her head (at least twice, IIRC), and then balked at him when he suggested that she needed more training. 

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bijoux

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Anyway, from the clips it just looks like Laurel spent most of the season sniping at Oliver. There's your comic canon couple, folks.

Hasn't she? I mean, I know she did other stuff, but that's basically their MO from the past season.

 

I would've liked Laurel's lines to Oliver if they had come later in her "rise" when she was more capable and Oliver was refusing to see that,

This, right here. As it was, she was snippy while going off quarter-cocked. I mean, I was fine with her boxing when it was presented as stress release and dealing with grief. However, having her think a week of it qualified her to go out into to streets on anything other than a suicide mission was nonsensical. In fact, I feel if the element of a subconscionous death wish or even wanting to feel pain in order to feel anything would have made her storyline more coherent.

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lemotomato

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Oh, are they? The youtube site said "Published on Sep 22, 2015 http://www.comicbookresources.com- ARROW Season 3 - Best Lines from the Cast HD (2015) Stephen Amell DC Comics Superhero." But maybe they're posting the DVD featurettes.

 

ETA: I just looked at the DVDs on Amazon and the features listed are - "Second Skins: Creating The Uniforms of Arrow · Nanda Parbat: Constructing The Villain's Lair · Two Arrow Audio Commentaries · Arrow at Comic-Con 2014 · The Man Beneath the Suit – Atom's First Flight · Gag Reel · Deleted Scenes"

 

So I don't think they're from the DVDs.

 

I went to the CBR page that posted the clip and here was their description:

 

Courtesy of The CW, CBR has an exclusive look at one of the special features from the "Arrow" Season 3 Blu-ray set, on sale now. Witness Oliver (Stephen Amell), Diggle (David Ramsey), Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) and the rest of Team Arrow deliver some of the season's best dialogue.

Mystery solved! Still not an incentive for me to buy the DVDs, though.

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tv echo

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Watch part of the video featurette, “Second Skins: Creating the Uniforms of Arrow,” from the Arrow S3 Blu-Ray/DVD in this article...

 

WIN: Bring your DC heroes home with these DVD and Blu-ray prize packs!

Steve Wright  18 September 2015

http://stevivor.com/2015/09/win-bring-your-dc-heroes-home-with-these-dvd-and-blu-ray-prize-packs/

The above article included a clip of the "Second Skins" featurette from the S3 Blu-Ray/DVD. The following article has a different clip from that same featurette:

 

Making The Costumes For Arrow [VIDEO]

Posted September 22, 2015 by Dan Wickline

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09/22/making-the-costumes-for-arrow/#.VgLFudZLdP8.twitter

 

BTW, while watching that "Best Lines from the Cast" video, I laughed when Roy said, "Don't abandon me" and Oliver replied, "Never" - because I immediately thought of Oliver leaving unconscious Roy on the ground after his fight with Ray Palmer.

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Although slightly behind on the cinematic scene, DC Comics has a strong presence on the small screen. Premiering the year after “Smallville,” the CW’s “Arrow” paved the way for today’s superhero series.

 

I can’t say enough about “Arrow.” Like many shows, it had a rocky first season, but when it found its footing, it ran with it. Stephen Amell spearheads the show as Oliver Queen, setting the bar high for any hero. Not only is his acting honest and wonderfully executed, but also the man does all of his own stunts. And of course, no one can review “Arrow” without mentioning its accidental breakout star Emily Bett Rickards, playing now-fan favorite Felicity Smoak. Rickards has created a character who is not only complex and dynamic, but absolutely hilarious. I could watch her babble endlessly.

Talk TV to Me: Give these “super” returning series a watch!

BY GABRIELA VELASQUEZ | SEPT. 23, 2015

http://move.themaneater.com/stories/2015/9/23/talk-tv-me-give-these-super-returning-series-watch/#.VgLpvctVikp

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On September 22, 2015, the Amell Daily fansite posted the following EP comments from the Arrow Season 3 DVD...

 

-- Wendy Mericle [from the DVD commentary on Episode 3x01] commenting on Oliver’s trust issues and how he only trusts Felicity:
“I think Oliver, as we go through the first season, he realizes the people who he loves the most and are supposed to love him the most are the people who are also betraying him. That sets him up as a character who, no matter what happens, or what people tell him or how much he loves somebody or somebody loves him, he can never fully trust anybody. Felicity is someone who he actually does trust and the tragedy of that is that he can’t actually be with her." 
http://amell-daily.tumblr.com/page/3

 

-- Marc Guggenheim [from the DVD Commentary on Episode 3x01] commenting on SA's performance in the #Olicity date:
“Stephen’s performance is so strong here. It’s very unusual on television to linger on one actor or one shot as long as we do here in this moment with Stephen, but we’re able to because the performance is so strong by not cutting away, it’s really a testemant to his acting. I love Stephen’s delivery of the line ‘It was red’  like there was no doubt in his mind.”
http://amell-daily.tumblr.com/page/3

 

-- Marc Guggenheim [from the DVD Commentary on Episode 3x01] commenting on SA's performance when Oliver was asking Felicity out on a date:
“Stephen really wanted to play this, you know, with the implication of ‘I-am-not-quite-sure-what-i-am-saying-here’ about Felicity here, so we really love that. There’s not a lot of leading men in television or film who wanna look foolish & Stephen’s like 'I really wanna look foolish here.'"
http://amell-daily.tumblr.com/page/2

 

Apparently, the Arrow Season 3 DVD has commentaries for Episodes 3x01 (The Calm) and 3x09 (The Climb).

 

ETA:  After watching the video clips below, I found some minor errors in the above transcribed quotes, although they're substantially accurate.

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Video clips of MG and WM commenting on 3x01 and 3x09 scenes (from the Arrow Season 3 DVD) - big thanks to heidy @OlicityMafia (you may have to unmute the sound)...

 

"the first appearance of the fern"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646413309856587777

 

"God bless Emily Bett RIckards"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646415845762142209

 

"Felicity is someone who he actually does trust and the tragedy of that is that he can't actually be with her"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646438286215544833

 

"Yes, except now the only person you're fooling is yourself"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646418243230502912

 

"Stephen's like, 'I really want to look foolish here'"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646422568057065472

 

"[Emily] looks absolutely amazing in this scene"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646426104601923584

 

"Stephen's performance is so strong here"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646430362759995392

 

"the seed of the entire season"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646441241215922176

 

"Stop dangling maybes"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646450101406310400

 

"She loves Oliver that much"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646463698257768448

 

"Felicity, as usual, is right"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646465998330200065

 

"She finally hears Oliver say 'I love you' - as he's leaving to go face his death"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646467623346151424

 

"now we see him at the lowest point"
https://twitter.com/OlicityMafia/status/646471658652495872

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This is interesting...

 

When TV Shows Hook Viewers — And It’s Not the Pilot
SEPTEMBER 23, 2015 | 11:22AM PT Todd Spangler
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-tv-show-data-viewer-episode-study-1201600746/

Netflix crunched cold, hard viewing data for more than two dozen TV shows and says it has determined which specific episode grabbed most subscribers to the point where they watched the entire first season.
 

However, none of the shows Netflix looked at, which included originals and licensed series, hooked viewers with the pilot. In fact, two shows — “Arrow” and “How I Met Your Mother” — didn’t hit the tipping point until episode 8. In the traditional TV biz, conventional wisdom holds that a show’s pilot is the most critical linchpin to igniting viewer interest, given the nature of how new television programs debut.
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Here’s the full list of shows Netflix analyzed, with the number of the episode when 70% of viewers were hooked (all series are the first seasons):
 

“Arrow”* – Episode 8
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-- Marc Guggenheim [from the DVD Commentary on Episode 3x01] commenting on SA's performance in the #Olicity date:

“Stephen’s performance is so strong here. It’s very unusual on television to linger on one actor or one shot as long as we do here in this moment with Stephen, but we’re able to because the performance is so strong by not cutting away, it’s really a testemant to his acting. I love Stephen’s delivery of the line ‘It was red’  like there was no doubt in his mind.”http://amell-daily.tumblr.com/page/3

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That was a great scene with performances I honestly loved. However, I don't agree this is a TV thing, not lingering on an actor. I do think it's very much an Arrow thing and a lot (most) of the times, they don't let scenes breathe. There were many times I just wished for a scene to be a beat longer to be able to take things in.

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In fact, two shows — “Arrow” and “How I Met Your Mother” — didn’t hit the tipping point until episode 8. I

Episode 8 is Vendetta, where Oliver tries to train Helena and Diggle tells him he has to find the woman who is right for him, and Walter gets Felicity to dig deeper into Moira's secrets.

 

At that point, the Oliver/Diggle relationship is pretty much established, Lauriver is over, and it looks like Felicity is sticking around.  I'm not surprised it was the tipping point.

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This is interesting...

 

When TV Shows Hook Viewers — And It’s Not the Pilot

SEPTEMBER 23, 2015 | 11:22AM PT Todd Spangler

http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-tv-show-data-viewer-episode-study-1201600746/

 

 

Episode 8 is Vendetta, where Oliver tries to train Helena and Diggle tells him he has to find the woman who is right for him, and Walter gets Felicity to dig deeper into Moira's secrets.

 

At that point, the Oliver/Diggle relationship is pretty much established, Lauriver is over, and it looks like Felicity is sticking around.  I'm not surprised it was the tipping point.

 

 

That sounds about right. I liked Oliver/Helena. Diggle/Oliver friendship and partnership was building. We saw Felicity again and she was delightful as usual. And the whole mystery with Moira was building nicely too. (I miss Moira. Sigh.)

 

The Pilot episode definitely did not hook me at all.

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The above-linked Variety article about NetFlix was tweeted by WM...

Wendy Mericle ‏@MericlesHappen
Hey @AJKreisberg & @SchwartzApprovd - "Vendetta" is the episode that gets most @netflix viewers hooked on #Arrow!

http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-tv-show-data-viewer-episode-study-1201600746/…

4:06 PM - 23 Sep 2015

https://twitter.com/MericlesHappen/status/646822994493333504

 

I do disagree with WM that it's one episode that gets most viewers hooked on a show.  I think the Netflix study was about how many episodes it takes to hook most viewers.  So it would the cumulative effect of the first eight episodes of Arrow.  

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I do disagree with WM that it's one episode that gets most viewers hooked on a show.  I think the Netflix study was about how many episodes it takes to hook most viewers.  So it would the cumulative effect of the first eight episodes of Arrow.  

 

Yep. It's not about which particular episode did it [although the Variety piece makes it sound like it was, because Variety is dumb], but about how many episodes total it took to make the show happen. 8 episodes is A LOT, really. All this tells me is that a good amount of people were willing to see if the show was gonna improve -- which it did.

 

Also, I would really love to see stats of how many people Arrow lost because the first seven episodes didn't hook them, but that'll never happen.

 

Btw, the episode that hooked me was even later than 108: Trust But Verify [111] was the one that made me decide I actually liked Arrow, rather than I was just watching it simply because I watch all superhero shows anyway.

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I liked Trust But Verify a lot, too. I can't say which ep "hooked" me, honestly. I had friends who tried to get me to watch Arrow, and I had tuned in for about half of an episode (it was 1x05 - Damaged), and I really wasn't drawn in. During the winter hiatus of S2, the same friends started reblogging gifs on Tumblr that got me interested, mostly of O/F and Oliver and Diggle. A few of Barry. 

 

I had surgery during that hiatus, and was on bed rest for about a week, so I went on Netflix and made myself watch the entirety of S1 just so I could get to S2 to quell my curiosity about those gifs. A lot of S1 was a chore for me to get through, even once Felicity was involved, but once she became part of the team and the Undertaking started taking shape, I was more interested in the episodes. 

 

I thought the season-long mystery in the first season was great (and wish they could get back to something like that), but that's about the only thing I feel nostalgia for on the show (well, that and I do miss Moira and the Queen family stuff back at the mansion). I liked the "feel" of S2 much better than S1, and I think that's what really hooked me. If I had made it through S1's finale, I probably wouldn't have been compelled to turn in to S2 if it wasn't already available at the time. Once I started watching live (I think 2x11 was my first live viewing), I was always anxiously awaiting the next ep, no matter how terrible I thought the one I had just watched was (like "The Promise," and "Birds of Prey").

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