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[Angeltoes]

Rusty was the deceased husband and Hemy was the shooter.  Andrea (the wife) came across as arrogant on the stand as if she was certain she was the smartest person in the room.  She reminded me of the Pam Smart case from years ago where the woman manipulated teenagers to kill her husband.  Pam gave off the same vibe.

[ljenkins782]

On 11/16/2024 at 5:00 PM, TVbitch said:

Another case that has been covered a lot with a bit of new development at the end. I don't know if Nancy was in on her husband's murder, but her demeanor at trial was so off putting. Like she was more concerned about deflecting any blame (and perhaps any embarrassment) than in seeing her husbands' killer brought to justice. At times she was smirking and sneering at the lawyers. If I was innocent of any affair and it was me, I would be wailing about how this lunatic killed my husband when there was nothing going on. At the very least, she was probably playing around with her boss a little, but did not want to cop to it.   

Yeah, her behavior on the stand was appalling. The pretending not to hear/understand the questions and the flippant tone to her answers did not scream innocence.

I definitely had the impression that she was inappropriately involved with her boss on some level and probably did the classic "complain about the spouse" while engaging in whatever behavior on these work trips. The ending part suggested that the killer thought he was doing something that would be good for her and her kids, so I suppose it's possible that she didn't actually participate in the planning or murder, but also did not want to admit whatever she was doing with her boss and face the fact that her involvement with this unstable guy ended up getting her husband killed.  

[GiandujaPie]

On 11/16/2024 at 2:00 PM, TVbitch said:

Another case that has been covered a lot with a bit of new development at the end. I don't know if Nancy was in on her husband's murder, but her demeanor at trial was so off putting. Like she was more concerned about deflecting any blame (and perhaps any embarrassment) than in seeing her husbands' killer brought to justice. At times she was smirking and sneering at the lawyers. If I was innocent of any affair and it was me, I would be wailing about how this lunatic killed my husband when there was nothing going on. At the very least, she was probably playing around with her boss a little, but did not want to cop to it.   

What was the new development at the end? I was trying to figure out why this case was being covered when the crime occurred a long time ago. 

[TVbitch]

Um, okay, my memory is really crappy @GiandujaPie, but I think it was that the killer was granted a new trial because the prosecutors illegally got ahold of some medical (psychiatric) records they shouldn't have, and he has also converted to being an Orthodox Jew. 

[howiveaddict]

I'm from Evansville Indiana and it was felt from the beginning that the firefighter's wife was involved in his murder. I only marginally followed the case, but my husband is friends with someone involved int he prosecution.  

[TVbitch]

The Other Me episode was one I had not seen before. They made a bit too much of a celebrity out of the detective, but, to be fair, she was exceptional with her interrogations. Dude was truly a monster preying on vulnerable women. Oh, but he does wish he could go back and change it, but he can't, so he hopes you will forgive him for all the raping and killing.  

I found it really bizarre how long the cops dallied about outside the houses where the one victim managed to use his phone and call for help. I know they were unsure which of the two houses it was, but my understanding was that at least one of the houses was abandoned. Go check it and then go to the other one! Enter both! Do something! They are like peeking in the windows and trying to get the girl to help them. FFS, she is in mortal danger! 

[DanaK]

This Friday’s episode is a new look at the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey

[ljenkins782]

11 minutes ago, DanaK said:

This Friday’s episode is a new look at the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey

Ugh, why do all the true crime shows do the same stories at once. Especially when there isn't really any new information to share on a very famous case.

[DanaK]

Special edition of 20/20 on Luigi Mangione, the shooter of the United HealthCare CEO December 19 at 10pm

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2024/12/17/abc-news-studios-announces-manhunt-luigi-mangione-and-the-ceo-murder-a-special-edition-of-20-20-airing-dec-19-at-1001-pm-est-on-abc-888312/20241217abc04/

[ASpring1900]

"The Last Text"-- how did Sam Woodward's lawyer not demand he cut his hair and shave before testifying?

I feel very badly for Blaze's family, but his parents seemed to really, really, really love the camera.

[pdlinda]

5 hours ago, ASpring1900 said:

"The Last Text"-- how did Sam Woodward's lawyer not demand he cut his hair and shave before testifying?

I feel very badly for Blaze's family, but his parents seemed to really, really, really love the camera.

I had such conflicting thoughts about this episode.  I was already familiar with the case and had no idea the results of the trial were recent.

My conflict was because they portrayed their precious son as very intelligent, caring, passionate, gifted, considerate and mature.

The death occurred because he breached every one of those admirable characteristics and went on an unplanned escapade with the creep who killed him.

I fully concur that you NEVER BLAME A VICTIM.  I'm clear on that. However, to have undertaken such a risky activity that subjected his FAMILY (including the grandparents who were Holocaust survivors) to the outcome that occurred, struck me as problematic. 

No offense to the victim or his parents, BUT (I KNOW, there's always a "but") given all the facts and circumstances of the situation, I believe their precious son's life should have been left in "neutral" territory.

[Madding crowd]

Blaze knew Sam from high school-how could he guess what would happen? Many people meet friends or even dates at parks or other places. I just don’t agree that Blaze did anything wrong. 

[ljenkins782]

17 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Blaze knew Sam from high school-how could he guess what would happen? Many people meet friends or even dates at parks or other places. I just don’t agree that Blaze did anything wrong. 

Yeah, I read that post before watching the episode so I kept waiting for the story to take a hard turn with Blaze pulling some sort of dangerous stunt. I agree that meeting up with an old acquaintance isn't a crime and most college kids don't go to their parents and announce that they're going out to hook up with someone (regardless of sexuality), so I'm not entirely surprised he didn't mention it. He probably expected to be home before anyone noticed he wasn't there.

I didn't really understand if the killer was actually closeted or if that was just an attempt at a defense. And considering they called the episode "the last text," I didn't really understand what it meant or was believed to mean.

 

[GiandujaPie]

2 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Yeah, I read that post before watching the episode so I kept waiting for the story to take a hard turn with Blaze pulling some sort of dangerous stunt. I agree that meeting up with an old acquaintance isn't a crime and most college kids don't go to their parents and announce that they're going out to hook up with someone (regardless of sexuality), so I'm not entirely surprised he didn't mention it. He probably expected to be home before anyone noticed he wasn't there.

I didn't really understand if the killer was actually closeted or if that was just an attempt at a defense. And considering they called the episode "the last text," I didn't really understand what it meant or was believed to mean.

 

From what I remember, the judge suppressed as evidence a text from Blaze where he said something about going too far for a story. I don't think it would have mattered anyway. Even if Blaze met up with Sam as part of some "story", it wouldn't justify what Sam did to him and for the lies he told. 

[ljenkins782]

2 hours ago, GiandujaPie said:

From what I remember, the judge suppressed as evidence a text from Blaze where he said something about going too far for a story. I don't think it would have mattered anyway. Even if Blaze met up with Sam as part of some "story", it wouldn't justify what Sam did to him and for the lies he told. 

Yeah, I heard them say that, but did the best friend he texted it to have any idea what he was talking about? I just can't quite believe that someone would text something suggesting such a secret to another person without that person having some idea of what they might be talking about, like why tell them otherwise? 

Unless the suggestion was that he would have explained himself, but got killed first? 

[DanaK]

Special edition of the show tonight at 9pm ET on the catastrophic Los Angeles wildfires