Bethenny & Jason: The Divorce Showdown

[LIMOM]

4 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Ok, so let's discuss social rules. They include things like when you are a guest in a person's home, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have workers over, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have a small child, you don't wander around in your underwear. Those are just typically accepted social norms.

While it is gross to some, it is not criminal.

And let's not forget her behaviors on camera either.

Like attracts like. She has zero social grace herself. 

I listen to Howard Stern from time to time. He is exactly the same, a whiny, complaining individual. Still crying at 60 that he was sent to High School in a black neighborhood. It is getting tired.

what on earth is it, with some people raised on Long Island? Something wrong with the water??

Beth is engaged in a take all battle with her ex.

And, imo the biggest loser will be Brynn.

While, she might think that she has been wronged by Jason. She will end up paying dearly. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

4 hours ago, film noire said:

hugs, alonzo -- go have  a lemon drop ; )

With a side of crackers since every BF comment I make is just BEC....

4 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Ok, so let's discuss social rules. They include things like when you are a guest in a person's home, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have workers over, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have a small child, you don't wander around in your underwear. Those are just typically accepted social norms.

I would follow those rules. However, what proof is there this attire happened with workers in the home, or Brynn? 

1 minute ago, LIMOM said:

 

While, she might think that she has been wronged by Jason. She will end up paying dearly. 

She's almost 50 and still pretty full time on how her parents wronged her, she's wasting her life and paying dearly. Until she resolved that she'll repeat it. Poor Brynn.

[LIMOM]

48 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

With a side of crackers since every BF comment I make is just BEC....

I would follow those rules. However, what proof is there this attire happened with workers in the home, or Brynn? 

She's almost 50 and still pretty full time on how her parents wronged her, she's wasting her life and paying dearly. Until she resolved that she'll repeat it. Poor Brynn.

I agree. She is pathetic and all those tweets about living life aren't fooling anyone.

She is prisoner of her past.

[BBHN]

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If he did send terroristic threats and "creepy" stalking attacks then he will be convicted. If they were angry and yes even nasty emails the jury might find it not unreasonable because of the actions of the other party to the dispute.

That makes it sound like Bethenny is on trial, not Jason.

Which, she isn't. And he is.

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I wonder what the family members of the millions upon millions of victims of these serial killers and mass murderers would think about this statement.  

It's fine, "scare quotes" weren't used ;)

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It seems a little unfair to expect Bethenny to relocate her entire base of operations just so that they can saunter around in panties. Her business was what was paying the bills, after all.

Her business paid for that apartment! lol

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Did they both suffer from NeedToAerateTheScrotumItus?

Ha!

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I believe Jason would dress like that anywhere anytime in front of anyone.  He's a small town jock to has seen a lot of locker rooms. 

There is a reason why they get dressed in locker rooms, and not on the basketball court or on the football field...

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Pick a side please.

@ZoloftBlob Here in the HWs forums, we do not say pick a side, we say pick (or choose) a lane ;)

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To help themselves to the crew's buffet!  Change that to "buffet" and now we've got a 18A rating!

Lol!

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Nope, takes two people to settle.  So Jason settled.  It's obvious he did not get everything he wanted since he is now throwing this man baby hissy fit with the 170 emails.  I'm sure he's regretting settling now.

His new motive (same as his old one):

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You see her breaking the deal every episode of the Real Housewives where she talks about the divorce and uses her flying monkey Carole to read texts and tweets and spread her side of the story because she is not restrained by the courts.

She doesn't really discuss anything specific about the case, though, does she?

Carole is free to do what she wants, and free to discuss what she wants. She is being a friend to Bethenny. Yes, I know, it's always shocking when 2 HWs a person can't stand are actual, genuine friends.

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You think a D-List celeb is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, and serial killers ,including one who raped and murdered young boys.

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With a side of crackers since every BF comment I make is just BEC....

Worry not, I am sure Bethenny has enough crackers to spare...

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I agree. She is pathetic and all those tweets about living life aren't fooling anyone.

It is possible for her to be enjoying certain aspects of her life and not other aspects of it, at the same time. Life isn't always black and white, either or, etc. The Jason stalking and harassment stuff aside, she seems to be enjoying herself. 

[motorcitymom65]

13 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

It doesn't trump Bethenny's right. As I said upthread, it's the same. His home. Her office. Same enjoyment legally. Again, why is it incumbent upon Jason to leave? Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

What proof is there this even happened with anyone besides them in the apartment?

Beth testified to it under oath. Could she have lied? She could have. But the conversation has largely turned into one of defense for Jason and Poppa Hoppy. I completely agree with Jel's excellent comment above. What difference would it have made were it Jason's equal home? Take Beth completely out of it and pretend that folks don't hate her (or think her in some cases equal to a serial killer as has been stated by one commentator). Would it ever be considered OK by anyone here if they knew of someone who did this to their spouse? If the spouse was conducting an actual business out of their home - a business that paid for all of the stuff, and their spouse decided that he and his father did in fact have the right to peruse the home in their underwear while business was being conducted, against the wishes of the other owner? If anyone's spouse did this specifically against their wishes, wouldn't most spouses be justified in being angered by this? I can imagine no world where my husband would do something like this if I asked him not to (well, he wouldn't do it anyway because he isn't an asshat). And it is just as much his home as it is mine. He can do what he wants, but he would never dream of acting in such a fashion. There is simply zero justification for it, and the very idea that there is some type of a justification being attempted is just another example of the fact that Beth is hated by many and that it wouldn't matter what Jason did, some will never be able to just say "yea, the dude was wrong about this". Because Beth can be awful in some ways. She is a narcissist. But that doesn't mean that nothing that Jason ever did was wrong, or that just admitting that something that Jason did was wrong means that folks cannot go right on hating Beth. 

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6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Beth testified to it under oath. Could she have lied? She could have. But the conversation has largely turned into one of defense for Jason and Poppa Hoppy. I completely agree with Jel's excellent comment above. What difference would it have made were it Jason's equal home? Take Beth completely out of it and pretend that folks don't hate her (or think her in some cases equal to a serial killer as has been stated by one commentator). Would it ever be considered OK by anyone here if they knew of someone who did this to their spouse? If the spouse was conducting an actual business out of their home - a business that paid for all of the stuff, and their spouse decided that he and his father did in fact have the right to peruse the home in their underwear while business was being conducted, against the wishes of the other owner? If anyone's spouse did this specifically against their wishes, wouldn't most spouses be justified in being angered by this? I can imagine no world where my husband would do something like this if I asked him not to (well, he wouldn't do it anyway because he isn't an asshat). And it is just as much his home as it is mine. He can do what he wants, but he would never dream of acting in such a fashion. There is simply zero justification for it, and the very idea that there is some type of a justification being attempted is just another example of the fact that Beth is hated by many and that it wouldn't matter what Jason did, some will never be able to just say "yea, the dude was wrong about this". Because Beth can be awful in some ways. She is a narcissist. But that doesn't mean that nothing that Jason ever did was wrong, or that just admitting that something that Jason did was wrong means that folks cannot go right on hating Beth. 

There are a lot of things we don't know, like did Jason/his father know about this photo shoot before they got up that morning or was this a surprise to them? I imaging this food they ate was located in the kitchen, away from the office, so it is possible they didn't know anything until someone informed them after they were already eating. Then after they were told, did they keep eating in their sleep attire or did they change their clothes? Bethenny never addressed any of those things in her testimony and she settled before anyone could ask or refute her claims. I can see Bethenny scheduling all of this and not telling Jason about it beforehand. Of course it is possible that Jason/his father did this on purpose but it is just as possible that Bethenny never told them and that they put on proper attire after they realized what was going on. We do not know the full story because Jason has kept his mouth closed.

[smores]

Tell me this, though.  If you came out of your bedroom, in your underwear and a tank top and found a house full of strangers, would you not immediately say "Oh shit!" and turn around to get more clothing? Or would you be like- Hot damn! Bagels! and then go grab some?  I just feel like one is a natural response and the other is . . . well, weird.

[KungFuBunny]

13 hours ago, Jel said:

Doctor: Mr. Hoppy, you do understand that your remaining in your underpants is of the utmost importance? Your very recovery depends on it! That means all lingering, loitering, lounging, chatting, eating, interacting must be done IN YOUR UNDERWEAR. There can be no deviation from this plan! Your RECOVERY, Sir, YOUR RECOVERY!

This is, without a doubt, the single greatest "explanation" I have ever read for why old man Hoppy would be pantsless. A+

I can't help myself this still gives me the Giggles

Your recovery requires NO COVERY!!!

Jason and his dad will now be remembered as Flappy Hoppy and Floppy Hoppy

Another possibility - a Breaking Bad marathon aired on AMC which caused a WalterWhite Pandemic

Thanks again AMF!

[BBHN]

Well, to Jason, it was food Bethenny paid for, so he and Daddy Hoppy be like

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6 minutes ago, smores said:

Tell me this, though.  If you came out of your bedroom, in your underwear and a tank top and found a house full of strangers, would you not immediately say "Oh shit!" and turn around to get more clothing? Or would you be like- Hot damn! Bagels! and then go grab some?  I just feel like one is a natural response and the other is . . . well, weird.

We don't know what Jason/his father first saw when they came out of the bedroom nor do we know low long they stayed in their bed clothes because Bethenny didn't give that info (which makes me suspect they changed when they found out it was a photo shoot). The office part of that apartment (if I remember correctly) was close to the door/entry into the apartment and not near the families living quarters. And sorry, not sorry, why didn't Bethenny let Jason know there was to be a photo shoot/strangers in the apartment the night before? She has responsibility in all of this as well, not just Jason. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

26 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Beth testified to it under oath. Could she have lied? She could have. But the conversation has largely turned into one of defense for Jason and Poppa Hoppy. I completely agree with Jel's excellent comment above. What difference would it have made were it Jason's equal home? Take Beth completely out of it and pretend that folks don't hate her (or think her in some cases equal to a serial killer as has been stated by one commentator). Would it ever be considered OK by anyone here if they knew of someone who did this to their spouse? If the spouse was conducting an actual business out of their home - a business that paid for all of the stuff, and their spouse decided that he and his father did in fact have the right to peruse the home in their underwear while business was being conducted, against the wishes of the other owner? If anyone's spouse did this specifically against their wishes, wouldn't most spouses be justified in being angered by this? I can imagine no world where my husband would do something like this if I asked him not to (well, he wouldn't do it anyway because he isn't an asshat). And it is just as much his home as it is mine. He can do what he wants, but he would never dream of acting in such a fashion. There is simply zero justification for it, and the very idea that there is some type of a justification being attempted is just another example of the fact that Beth is hated by many and that it wouldn't matter what Jason did, some will never be able to just say "yea, the dude was wrong about this". 

I hear ya. My point is, it's equal opportunity assholery. They should have sat down like adults and split shit up and moved on way earlier than underpants and photo shoots on each others time. Bethenny can conduct business there against his wishes, he can run around in boxers against hers. Either way it is not ok of a situation in any way. 

Jason does work, and earn also. 

[BBHN]

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And sorry, not sorry, why didn't Bethenny let Jason know there was to be a photo shoot/strangers in the apartment the night before?

Well, since we're all speculating, it's possible she told him and he was all, "Fuck that, imma do what I want..."

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52 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Beth testified to it under oath. Could she have lied? She could have. But the conversation has largely turned into one of defense for Jason and Poppa Hoppy. I completely agree with Jel's excellent comment above. What difference would it have made were it Jason's equal home? Take Beth completely out of it and pretend that folks don't hate her (or think her in some cases equal to a serial killer as has been stated by one commentator). Would it ever be considered OK by anyone here if they knew of someone who did this to their spouse? If the spouse was conducting an actual business out of their home - a business that paid for all of the stuff, and their spouse decided that he and his father did in fact have the right to peruse the home in their underwear while business was being conducted, against the wishes of the other owner? If anyone's spouse did this specifically against their wishes, wouldn't most spouses be justified in being angered by this? I can imagine no world where my husband would do something like this if I asked him not to (well, he wouldn't do it anyway because he isn't an asshat). And it is just as much his home as it is mine. He can do what he wants, but he would never dream of acting in such a fashion. There is simply zero justification for it, and the very idea that there is some type of a justification being attempted is just another example of the fact that Beth is hated by many and that it wouldn't matter what Jason did, some will never be able to just say "yea, the dude was wrong about this". Because Beth can be awful in some ways. She is a narcissist. But that doesn't mean that nothing that Jason ever did was wrong, or that just admitting that something that Jason did was wrong means that folks cannot go right on hating Beth. 

But did Jason know beforehand and how long did he/his father stay in their bed clothes once they knew it was a photo shoot? Once again, we only have Bethenny's word and she did change her story when she told it on the witness stand from her original story, which makes her entire story suspect. Questioning her/doubting her has nothing to do with "hating" her, it has everything to do with her exaggerating/lying with the ease of breathing. In Bethenny's mind, she does nothing wrong, others "make" her "go there", so she feels justified in her OTT behavior. Bethenny is the type of person that uses a nuke to kill a fly that is bothering her and they fly is to blame for the fallout/it's own death because it had the nerve to bother her to begin with.

[smores]

It's entirely possible B didn't tell them.  But, at some point, Pa and Son Hoppy were facing a crowd in their boxers.  At that point, they didn't duck for cover.  They continued munching.  That is their responsibility.  And also, gross.

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8 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Well, since we're all speculating, it's possible she told him and he was all, "Fuck that, imma do what I want..."

Yea, NO! Had Bethenny told him before hand, she would have said that in her testimony as further proof that he is the one at fault but Nope, she never made that claim, so I don't think she let him know anything, especially connected to her SKG business.

[BBHN]

Yea, NO! Just because she didn't make that claim publicly, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[the killer]

5 hours ago, BBHN said:

She doesn't really discuss anything specific about the case, though, does she?

Carole is free to do what she wants, and free to discuss what she wants. She is being a friend to Bethenny. Yes, I know, it's always shocking when 2 HWs a person can't stand are actual, genuine friends.

She skates right up to the limit. She exaggerates, obfuscates and lies in almost everything we see on this show. But in court you are under oath. That is why she settled before she could be questioned under oath. That is why the case will be dismissed.

I don't see Bethenny and Carole as friends. I see them as being in a master slave relationship. One that Bethenny is already tired of as she is starting to slam and put down Carole in every episode.  Of course she is rapidly approaching the end of her shelf life to Bethenny. We shouldn't be surprised.

[BBHN]

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She exaggerates, obfuscates and lies in almost everything we see on this show

She barely has mentioned the case, the few times she has, she has never offered any specifics.

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I see them as being in a master slave relationship. One that Bethenny is already tired of as she is starting to slam and put down Carole in every episode. 

Kinky! But no, they seem to have a relationship where they take the piss out of each other, and both of them seem to enjoy it. And each other's company.

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1 minute ago, smores said:

It's entirely possible B didn't tell them.  But, at some point, Pa and Son Hoppy were facing a crowd in their boxers.  At that point, they didn't duck for cover.  They continued munching.  That is their responsibility.  And also, gross.

We don't know what they did, Bethenny did not elaborate, so it is just as possible that they took their plates with them when they went to change their clothes. Seriously, Bethenny first said that they were only in their "underwear" making it sound as if they were sitting around in their thighty whities eating/shooting the breeze in the middle of a photo shoot. Then on the stand she said that they were in boxers and T shirts eating food they found in the kitchen, which is in the family quarters of the apartment , not near the office. And, if they didn't know there was to be a photo shoot, how would they know there would be strangers roaming around the family section of that apartment? 

[Natalie68]

14 hours ago, smores said:

If they had been out there in pajamas (like, classic men's pajamas, tops and bottoms), then I'd be like, well, it's tacky, but, whatever.  But, to just be in boxers and t shirts? Definitely tacky, but it's a no.  If one had some sort of reason that they couldn't put pants on, then they could manage a robe.  If they can't do that, then they must be bad enough that they can't get out of bed and risk flopping their junk next to the bagels on the craft services table.

Look, if he'd been in the hospital, they'd have given him a robe (or another hospital gown to wear backwards) to cover his ass up, so I think it's only reasonable to do so when you are in someone else's house.  I don't care if Papa Hoppy tools around like that in Casa Hoppy in Scranton, when you're at someone else's house, you cover up, if you have any kind of dignity.  

Its also quite pervy and makes him look like a dirty old man.  Do what you want and is normal around your family.  Bring it around a workplace, that was set up as a workplace when times between B and J were fine despite also being a home, and its a problem.  If a man I barely knew started parading around me in his underpants while I was working  I would think he is pervy and could have also lost his damn mind.  As the staff supervisor Bethenny had an obligation to her staff to keep it man-junk free and them to be comfortable (and not be a hostile work environment).  It is a business that supported Jason's dumb ass as well as the entire family.  And while he may not have been ok with having an office in his house he should have demanded it not be there when they were together.  He cannot NOW change the rules.  How this is ok in anyone's opinion boggles.  Would YOU be ok with it if you were in your office and the dad of your bosses husband started parading around the office in his undergarments?

[smores]

Am I the only person who has seen boxers be accidentally more revealing than the wearer intended them to be?  

Honestly, it doesn't really make a difference to me if they were wearing tighty whities or boxers, they're both underwear.  An argument MIGHT be made if it was a woman wearing a pair of boxers over her underwear, but, somehow I doubt that Jason and his dad wear panties and then use boxers to cover them up.  Granted, B didn't specify that on the stand, so I guess it's a valid argument in play.  That said, my father never wandered around in his underwear (any sort), my grandfathers never did it.  My husband does not do it.  My FIL does not do it. My brother doesn't do it.  Not when other people are around (and that includes other family members). And, likewise, while I might wear a nightshirt if it's just my husband and I, should there be someone else in our home, I put some sort of lounge clothes on (lounge pants, leggings, etc) along with a bra.  That doesn't even take into consideration coworkers, that's just relatives.  My hair might not be brushed yet, but I'm wearing some sort of bottom clothing and a bra.

[breezy424]

Well, the same could be said for a man in that situation.  What if you're a camera man or a male producer and you have to be present when a woman takes off all  her clothes (see Mexico).  Or if a woman decides to take off her sweater and is walking around in her bra.  Or decides to take a pee. 

I guess there's different rules.  And apparently additional rules for 'old' men.  What about 'old' women.

Sorry but I see a lot of hypocrisy in all of this.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1 hour ago, BBHN said:

Well, since we're all speculating, it's possible she told him and he was all, "Fuck that, imma do what I want..."

What if he told Bethenny his plans and she said "Fuck that, imma do what I want..." it could have gone either way.

1 hour ago, smores said:

Tell me this, though.  If you came out of your bedroom, in your underwear and a tank top and found a house full of strangers

What proof is there that they were seen by a house full of strangers? In answer to your question I would run and change. 

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What if he told Bethenny his plans and she said "Fuck that, imma do what I want..." it could have gone either way.

What plans, exactly?

[smores]

I think there is a difference between a camera person on a reality show (who is there to document whatever happens) and someone who is there to take photos for say, a magazine spread.  Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that it was People magazine there to do a shoot about Skinnygirl at B's new house.  In a context like that, there's really no situation where the camera people would expect to see men in their underwear, unless it was some sort of Sonja Morgan toaster oven shoot.  Now, in a reality tv shoot, unless it's the Duggars, things can happen differently.   You're filming what the people are doing as they go about their lives.  They change clothes, they take squicky baths (Tamra), etc.  Now, I would not do those things, I'd duck behind a bathroom door to change a shirt if there was a camera, but, there's a reason I am not on reality tv.  Still, when you're hired for one job, you have a set of expectations.  When you are hired for the other, there's a different set of expectations.

[ZoloftBlob]

"What if you're a camera man or a male producer and you have to be present when a woman takes off all her clothes (see Mexico). Or if a woman decides to take off her sweater and is walking around in her bra. Or decides to take a pee. " I assume you're referencing Bethenny so the question would be - has anyone directly involved aka the people in the room filming her taking her shirt of, ever complained? Take if further. If Jason was doing business in the apartment, and Bethenny sauntered out with her mom, in panties and bras and went to the craft table dressed that way... would anyone be insisting she was right to do that? I wouldn't. The action is rude.

[the killer]

It is certainly beyond gauche to be in your underwear in the kitchen in your own home but perfectly acceptable to stand around in your bra on National Television as well as urinating multiple times to be recorded by posterity. Now that some proper display of social norms right there.

Of course this entire scene rest exclusively on Bethenny's testimony without the benefit of cross-examination so I think it has no credibility whatever as she is a lying liar who lies. Put it in the same bag as being homeless, being raised by wolves and having never seen her father who didn't pay for her schooling. In other words it is in the big bag of bullshit that is Bethnny's bag of tricks. I think it is at best an exaggeration and more liikely a fabrication of a diseased and rancid mind.

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3 minutes ago, smores said:

I think there is a difference between a camera person on a reality show (who is there to document whatever happens) and someone who is there to take photos for say, a magazine spread.  Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that it was People magazine there to do a shoot about Skinnygirl at B's new house.  In a context like that, there's really no situation where the camera people would expect to see men in their underwear, unless it was some sort of Sonja Morgan toaster oven shoot.  Now, in a reality tv shoot, unless it's the Duggars, things can happen differently.   You're filming what the people are doing as they go about their lives.  They change clothes, they take squicky baths (Tamra), etc.  Now, I would not do those things, I'd duck behind a bathroom door to change a shirt if there was a camera, but, there's a reason I am not on reality tv.  Still, when you're hired for one job, you have a set of expectations.  When you are hired for the other, there's a different set of expectations.

First and foremost, Bethenny should have told Jason that she had scheduled a photo shoot inside the home they both shared, then she should have told him they would be roaming in the private (home) part of the apartment not just the office part, especially if Jason tens to walk around in his boxer's/T shirts when he first wakes up. If she did that and Jason then decided to walk around like he/his father did, shame on them but I really do not see Bethenny telling Jason anything, they were in the middle of getting a divorce. A divorce that was nasty on both sides from the get go!

Also, I could care less if Bethenny walks around on camera in her bra/panties, or jumps into a pool naked on camera but peeing on camera 3 times is her screaming for attention/camera time, nothing more and it was unnecessary/gross each time she did it.

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If she did that and Jason then decided to walk around like he/his father did, shame on them

I wouldn't be too shocked if that is what actually happened.

[smores]

I don't disagree about the peeing being gross.  But I also blame Bravo for showing it.  I am beyond tired of shows zooming in on bodily fluids coming out of people, it's just nasty.  

[breezy424]

Just to refresh everyone's memory, this is the only thing that I can find on Beth talking about infamous 'skivvies' story.  It seems to be taking on a life of its own.

“His father would be at the apartment in his underwear and a tank top,” Frankel said, recounting one incident where Hoppy and his dad both emerged in their skivvies when she was having a photo shoot done at the Tribeca pad to help themselves to the crew’s buffet.

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2 minutes ago, smores said:

I don't disagree about the peeing being gross.  But I also blame Bravo for showing it.  I am beyond tired of shows zooming in on bodily fluids coming out of people, it's just nasty.  

The bottom line is, it could not have been filmed had Bethenny not done it while the cameras were pointed at her filming! LOL Bethenny thinks when she does it she is edgy/hip and she isn't, no one is! LOL

1 minute ago, breezy424 said:

Just to refresh everyone's memory, this is the only thing that I can find on Beth talking about infamous 'skivvies' story.  It seems to be taking on a life of its own.

“His father would be at the apartment in his underwear and a tank top,” Frankel said, recounting one incident where Hoppy and his dad both emerged in their skivvies when she was having a photo shoot done at the Tribeca pad to help themselves to the crew’s buffet.

Yes, it has taken on a life of it's own. Now it is that Jason/his father were wondering from room to room in the apartment while in their undies eating food! LOL

[smores]

We don't know, though, what the other women are filmed doing that doesn't get shown.  In 2 of the 3 pee incidents, it was B finding out she was pregnant, and then the last few mins before her wedding.  I could kind of see how they might be edited into the story.  There isn't this outrage about Vicki Gunnvalson peeing on Tamra's bed.  Is there footage of Sonja peeing herself when she's falling down drunk?  Who knows.  I just don't know that you can say B does this on purpose to have it filmed to be seen one way or the other.  I think she's just legitimately living the way she would, cameras or no, and that's what they are seeing.

Or, to put it another way, how many years was it before you saw Luann smoking on camera?  She's been smoking the whole time, but, it was just because there was a conversation that they felt they needed to show that she got "caught" doing it.  Someone like Kim Z, she never gave a shit and just smoked on camera from the jump.  

[breezy424]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

 

Yes, it has taken on a life of it's own. Now it is that Jason/his father were wondering from room to room in the apartment while in their undies eating food! LOL

Through a crowd of people.

[BBHN]

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Now it is that Jason/his father were wondering from room to room in the apartment while in their undies eating food!

Which, is basically what Bethenny said lol

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36 minutes ago, smores said:

We don't know, though, what the other women are filmed doing that doesn't get shown.  In 2 of the 3 pee incidents, it was B finding out she was pregnant, and then the last few mins before her wedding.  I could kind of see how they might be edited into the story.  There isn't this outrage about Vicki Gunnvalson peeing on Tamra's bed.  Is there footage of Sonja peeing herself when she's falling down drunk?  Who knows.  I just don't know that you can say B does this on purpose to have it filmed to be seen one way or the other.  I think she's just legitimately living the way she would, cameras or no, and that's what they are seeing.

Or, to put it another way, how many years was it before you saw Luann smoking on camera?  She's been smoking the whole time, but, it was just because there was a conversation that they felt they needed to show that she got "caught" doing it.  Someone like Kim Z, she never gave a shit and just smoked on camera from the jump.  

There is no way Bravo wouldn't show any of the other HWs peeing on the side of the road, or just peeing on camera. They have shown other HWs jumping into a pool naked, which is old hat on any HW show now, so someone else going to the bathroom while a camera is filming would make it past editing, especially the more uptight HWs. LOL Oh, and she pee'ed on camera 3 different times, including when they went to a casino her first season back.

As for Luann smoking, they have all said she waited until the cameras were gone before she lit up (BTW Dorinda also smokes) and they used that as an example of why/how she is different on camera from off camera. If Bethenny really just drops trowel and pee's in public on a regular basis, we sure haven't heard about it and I think we would have by now. LOL 

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I think you're maybe taking some of those out of context though.  B was in a bathroom the first time she peed on a stick, so it wasn't public.  Yeah, I'd have shut the door and not had it filmed, but, remember Ramona's whole "I might be pregnant" escapade? The second time, at her wedding, look, I have held up a wedding dress for a bride before, so I'm really not that worked up about it.  She wasn't heavily pregnant either, though I can only imagine that it didn't help in B's case.  As for the side of the road? Again, while I wouldn't have done it on camera, what would your solution be?  And, do you get worked up at men who pull over and pee? 

Yes, Luann waits until the cameras are off, but that's my point.  B just doesn't filter herself the way the others do.  It's not that the others don't have behaviors like these, it's what it is on camera or what is shown.  I don't believe that they have never caught Luann smoking before.  Sonja also smokes, remember pirate night? They showed her smoking while complaining about him.  Yet, you've never seen that on camera before.  I think they use the footage they need/want to for the storyline and if it happens to catch them doing something, they'll use it.  If it doesn't, then they don't.

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2 minutes ago, smores said:

I think you're maybe taking some of those out of context though.  B was in a bathroom the first time she peed on a stick, so it wasn't public.  Yeah, I'd have shut the door and not had it filmed, but, remember Ramona's whole "I might be pregnant" escapade? The second time, at her wedding, look, I have held up a wedding dress for a bride before, so I'm really not that worked up about it.  She wasn't heavily pregnant either, though I can only imagine that it didn't help in B's case.  As for the side of the road? Again, while I wouldn't have done it on camera, what would your solution be?  And, do you get worked up at men who pull over and pee? 

Yes, Luann waits until the cameras are off, but that's my point.  B just doesn't filter herself the way the others do.  It's not that the others don't have behaviors like these, it's what it is on camera or what is shown.  I don't believe that they have never caught Luann smoking before.  Sonja also smokes, remember pirate night? They showed her smoking while complaining about him.  Yet, you've never seen that on camera before.  I think they use the footage they need/want to for the storyline and if it happens to catch them doing something, they'll use it.  If it doesn't, then they don't.

Peeing on camera is doing it in public, especially since there was a really good chance it would make it past editing, close the door and leave the cameras outside. Holding up the wedding dress for a bride is a nice thing to do but did your friend pee outside of the bathroom and was the wedding photographer taking pictures of that precious moment? I bet not! LOL She could have done it without the cameras but chose to "be real" on camera instead, real crass that is. LOL As for peeing on the side of the road, I have had it happen to me, LOL, but I would not allow anyone to take pictures of it no matter how funny anyone thought it was, let alone film it! Yes, guys do pee outside but most men do not have it filmed for prosperity and they could be arrested if their business is seen while they are doing it, so they go where no one can witness it!

IMO, she does these things because she thinks it makes her look edgy, cool, real but all it shows is that she will do anything for camera time, anything!

If they, production, had film of Luann smoking in earlier seasons, they would have shown it because it is socially unacceptable, the same with any of the HWs. Most of them try to control their own narrative and they all like to hide/downplay their faults. Bethenny is no different, she keeps her real life off the show, some she has to by court order, but the rest (like dating) she choses to. Where Bethenny differs is that she takes pride in shock value, she loves shocking the viewers like peeing on camera, which I doubt she really does in real life (unless there is a camera present). She knows it will get her more camera time and she is all about the camera time! LOL

One last thing, I do not believe that she waited until they were filming to take a home pregnancy test, IMO, that was a staged reenactment! LOL

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I guess I just see it differently.  I mean, everyone pees.  That B has been filmed peeing isn't edgy or shocking to me, I already assumed she DID pee.  I don't need to see it, like I don't need to see Sonja's crotch, but it's 2017.  Her peeing on camera is just tacky, not edgy.  I can't help but think that if she wanted to be edgy or shocking she'd do something much more extreme (take her Luann rant, though I do not think it was a planned thing, I'm just saying, that was more edgy/shocking), than pee. 

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1 minute ago, smores said:

I guess I just see it differently.  I mean, everyone pees.  That B has been filmed peeing isn't edgy or shocking to me, I already assumed she DID pee.  I don't need to see it, like I don't need to see Sonja's crotch, but it's 2017.  Her peeing on camera is just tacky, not edgy.  I can't help but think that if she wanted to be edgy or shocking she'd do something much more extreme (take her Luann rant, though I do not think it was a planned thing, I'm just saying, that was more edgy/shocking), than pee. 

What other HW, past or present, has been filmed peeing on camera? None that I can think of including Brandi who would admittedly do/say anything, including slapping someone, for camera time! We do agree, neither of us think peeing on camera is edgy but IMO, Bethenny does think that way. 

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1 hour ago, smores said:

I think there is a difference between a camera person on a reality show (who is there to document whatever happens) and someone who is there to take photos for say, a magazine spread.  Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that it was People magazine there to do a shoot about Skinnygirl at B's new house.  In a context like that, there's really no situation where the camera people would expect to see men in their underwear, unless it was some sort of Sonja Morgan toaster oven shoot.  Now, in a reality tv shoot, unless it's the Duggars, things can happen differently.   You're filming what the people are doing as they go about their lives.  They change clothes, they take squicky baths (Tamra), etc.  Now, I would not do those things, I'd duck behind a bathroom door to change a shirt if there was a camera, but, there's a reason I am not on reality tv.  Still, when you're hired for one job, you have a set of expectations.  When you are hired for the other, there's a different set of expectations.

The difference would be they use different types of cameras defines a still photographer and a camera operator?  The house wasn't new-it was a series of photos featuring giant Skinnygirl logos behind the bar..

I don't think a person in their own home has to shoot for living up to the expectations of some hired photographer. 

Would it matter if Jason's mother testified when Bethenny was visiting her home she wore very skimpy bikinis in front of her husband?  Or that they were uncomfortable watching the show because of the nude scenes.  What made it less than credible to me is Bethenny spends time before the camera and strangers in various states of undress,   Granted the old guy seemed to be carrying a few extra pounds but you are either okay with publicly being in your underwear or you aren't.  There should not be a litmus test as to if the person looks good. 

I still maintain Jason was ticked about having a camera crew/photographer in the house and Bethenny liked getting her little digs in.  A Skinygirl promo could have been shot anywhere-that is what green screens are for.  Jason was not going to make it easy for her.  I think the two of them how far more intestinal fortitude than they claim when either of them is paying victim.

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Vicki Gunnvalson.

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In my post, I was making up the magazine photo shoot scenario.  So, you have to take the "details" with a grain of salt.  

For Mommy Hoppy, well, it would depend on the situation.  Was it just them and had they just come back from the pool? Then, it's B's house and while Jason should have asked her to cover up, it is what it is.  For the record, I would agree that if Jason asked her to cover up, she should out of respect, but this would likely be when they were married, and she probably would have.  But, let's say she didn't like that B nursed Bryn without covering up.  Mommy Hoppy can suck it, it's B's house and she gets to feed her daughter however she pleases.  

I am in favor of everyone dressing appropriately when other people are around.  What I wear when it is just my husband and I is one thing.  As I've said before, my inlaws were here recently, and I didn't leave my room without at least lounge clothes and a bra on.  Normally I wake up on a weekend and wander out to the kitchen in my pjs.  I stay that way until I feel like getting dressed a few hours later.  But, I'm not about to do that when other people are here.  I would not allow my husband to do that.  And I damn sure would have words with my husband if my FIL did it.  (he never would)  It would happen ONE time and one time only, and that one time would be very short lived.  It is NOT his house and he can not dress however he wants. 

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What other HW, past or present, has been filmed peeing on camera? None that I can think of including Brandi who would admittedly do/say anything, including slapping someone, for camera time! We do agree, neither of us think peeing on camera is edgy but IMO, Bethenny does think that way. 

Was her peeing on camera somehow tied to the divorce, or the current charges that were filed against Jason? Just curious...

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What made it less than credible to me is Bethenny spends time before the camera and strangers in various states of undress

On a reality show when Bethenny is one of the stars, it isn't that weird. In her home, with co-workers, during a photoshoot, which isn't being filmed for a reality show. then that is different.

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I still maintain Jason was ticked about having a camera crew/photographer in the house and Bethenny liked getting her little digs in.  A Skinygirl promo could have been shot anywhere-that is what green screens are for. 

But why should it be shot anywhere? SkinnyGirl is what paid for that apartment that Jason was squatting for, and for whatever other luxuries he was experiencing. It definitely sounds like it was a dick move on his part.

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4 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Was her peeing on camera somehow tied to the divorce, or the current charges that were filed against Jason? Just curious...

It is tied to her utter hypocrisy at clutching her pearls at Jason going into his kitchen in his underwear and eating stuff he saw there. Pot. Kettle. Her nonsense is getting really old. It is symptomatic of the lies and exaggeration that lies at the heart of her narrative. She is a lying liar who lies. Now she is going to have to tell these lies under oath subject to cross examination. I bet she folds.

 

6 minutes ago, BBHN said:

But why should it be shot anywhere? SkinnyGirl is what paid for that apartment that Jason was squatting for, and for whatever other luxuries he was experiencing. It definitely sounds like it was a dick move on his part.

You do it somewhere else because you are in a bitter conflict with your ex and you are bringing disruption to your home where your child lives. So maybe you should keep the chaos and disruption of a photo shoot out of the family home which has seen enough turmoil That would be smart. Not vindictive and passive aggressive but smart. So there is no chance that Bethenny will do it.

She never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity in her personal life.

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It is tied to her utter hypocrisy at clutching her pearls at Jason going into his kitchen in his underwear and eating stuff he saw there. Pot. Kettle. Her nonsense is getting really old. It is symptomatic of the lies and exaggeration that lies at the heart of her narrative. She is a lying liar who lies. Now she is going to have to tell these lies under oath subject to cross examination. I bet she folds.

I'll just rewrite what I wrote earlier:

On a reality show when Bethenny is one of the stars, it isn't that weird. In her home, with co-workers, during a photoshoot, which isn't being filmed for a reality show. then that is different.

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You do it somewhere else because you are in a bitter conflict with your ex and you are bringing disruption to your home where your child lives. So maybe you should keep the chaos and disruption of a photo shoot out of the family home which has seen enough turmoil That would be smart. Not vindictive and passive aggressive but smart. So there is no chance that Bethenny will do it.

Except she already works out of that home, so it might not be much of a disruption to begin with as far as that goes. If anything, it sounds like Jason and Papa Hoppy were bring the disruption with their antics, not Bethenny.

So now we're using Brynn to justify Jason and Papa Hoppy walking around in their underwear during a photo shoot?

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1 hour ago, smores said:

Vicki Gunnvalson.

Vicki accidentally peed in her underpants, she did not pull them down and squat to pee in front of the cameras in Mexico, even Vicki has better sense and that is saying a lot! LOL What I am trying to point out is that most stories Bethenny tells are suspect when her MO is OTT exaggerations/behaviors both on and off the cameras. Until we hear from someone independent, like the photographer or their assistant, the story is questionable. 

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That's not what you asked, though.  You asked who was filmed peeing.  Vicki was filmed peeing on Tamra's bed.  

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9 minutes ago, smores said:

That's not what you asked, though.  You asked who was filmed peeing.  Vicki was filmed peeing on Tamra's bed.  

I didn't think I needed to clarify accidental and intentional! LOL Seriously, they are not comparable at all. 

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1 hour ago, BBHN said:

 

So now we're using Brynn to justify Jason and Papa Hoppy walking around in their underwear during a photo shoot?

No. Bethenny is the one who uses her daughter as weapon in the continuing war with her ex.  I don't doubt that Jason does that too. That is their sickness. Neither one of them can put their child first. It is shameful on both of their sides. SIckening really. A shanda if there ever was one.

I do think he is one keeping the child off of the show. Which is a very good thing. Because if Bethenny had her way I bet she would parade this poor kid in every episode. She would give Milania Giudice a run for her money.

I simply do not believe it even happened. Or happened the way she describes. It is one with her being homeless and raised by wolves. It is just more of Bethenny's Bull shit.

She should patent that. It would be a better brand for her than Skinny Girl.