Head Canon, Fan Theories, Fan Fiction and other Wild Mass Guessing of Fanon

[TWP]

A topic to fill in the blanks where the story writers didn't.

[Raja]

2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

I can't figure out where they're going with Mr. Cowardly Custard.  They can't have him fail (because SJW), so what?  Is he suddenly going to become Larry Lionheart?

 

10 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I see his plot options as:

1. Suddenly (or gradually) becomes Larry Lionheart
2. Fails Boot 101
3. Finds his true-calling Plan B
4. Heroically killed

Because I'm old, #4 (POC as a Red Shirt) seems the most obvious, but the other outcomes still seem equally plausible within The Rookie world. They've spent quite a few lines discussing Plan Bs (including this episode), so if we're placing bets, I'll take Door #3.

Beyond all the talk of Plan B there is also the legacy's father, not just a Commander (1 star in LAPD) but the Commander in Internal Affairs. I think the son's mistake will be put on one of the others before West falls on his sword and leaves to find his plan B.

[TWP]

So I'm thinking Nolan should start a romance with the captain.

And because their love would cause work issues, maybe he'd quit the force.  The couple could move to NYC where she'd become a detective....and, and, let's see, he'd win the lottery and move into a medium-rise loft. And his son -- who turns out to actually be a daughter (super reveal!) -- would happen to have red hair and blue eyes -- and would live with him.... and his outrageous, red headed, mother would also move in.

And maybe he'd write books about crime, starring his love interest, the detective.  And he'd write under a pseudonym...hmmmm....let's see...maybe Richard something!  That's it!

So I'm pretty sure I've figured out the end game, and such an original one at that. ;-).  Still patting myself on the back for this non-derivative concept.

What do you think?

Edited November 29, 2018 by TWP

[WendyCR72]

28 minutes ago, TWP said:

What do you think?

Derivative!  :-)

Move forward; don't look back! (My take only - but likely true for actors. They love variety!)

[WendyCR72]

If this show doesn't make it, I see Nathan Fillion mining more Sci-Fi and/or shorts. He seems to love those. With a new network president, it's hard to say where this show will end up.

But, no matter what, I'm guessing ol' Nate will dust himself off. This isn't his first rodeo, so to speak!

[TWP]

55 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

If this show doesn't make it, I see Nathan Fillion mining more Sci-Fi and/or shorts. He seems to love those. With a new network president, it's hard to say where this show will end up.

But, no matter what, I'm guessing ol' Nate will dust himself off. This isn't his first rodeo, so to speak!

ol' Nate always lands on his feet.  But I think he's more likely to try and do something main stream, while filling in the blanks with what you've described.  He unapologetically is loved by "your mom" as he calls it and will want to try and find "her" in his entertainment channels.  

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

With a new network president, it's hard to say where this show will end up

With a title of "The Rookie" there's not a lot of wiggle room with the show's basic concept, and, having seen a lot of TV shows directives allegedly changed by network execs, it would likely go darker and more graphic rather than funnier—which would be too bad, IMO.

And I'd also bet on them trying to replicate the Castle-Beck relationship in a bid to increase ratings.

Edited November 29, 2018 by shapeshifter

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, shapeshifter said:

With a title of "The Rookie" there's not a lot of wiggle room with the show's basic concept, and, having seen a lot of TV shows directives allegedly changed by network execs, it would likely go darker and more graphic rather than funnier—which would be too bad, IMO.

Frankly, I see the show cancelled if it doesn't hold the ratings it has. I don't think a new president would be eager to keep a likely expensive show that (probably) did not live up to all the promotion it received.

But then I'm not a TV exec, so what the hell do I know?  :-)

[TWP]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Frankly, I see the show cancelled if it doesn't hold the ratings it has. I don't think a new president would be eager to keep a likely expensive show that (probably) did not live up to all the promotion it received.

But then I'm not a TV exec, so what the hell do I know?  :-)

Lots of back room dealing and corporate politics goes on and only the flies (on the wall) can guess how corporate renewal is determined, in these days of ratings dregs.  I don't have any idea where the cancellation floor is anymore at ABC, because so many shows are tied for last place.  I think which of the scrap pile they choose depends on if they want to go a drama or comedy direction.  I think they tried to do more unscripted TV this year, which turned out to be a disaster, so I'll be surprised if they haven't ruled that out as an emphasis at least.

Regarding The Rooke, as anemic as the ratings might seem, the show is performing better than most ABC shows in "the death timeslot" in recent years.  This is according to reputable analysis sites, not ABC PR.  Thus, I would hazard a guess that so far it's strong enough for renewal.  Of course, we'll have to see what spring brings.  The interesting delayed start and then delayed winter finish might bring in a few viewers who are hungry for something other than repeats and holiday shows, and those folks might stay on.  

I root and hope for The Rookie out of habit and other personal reasons, not because I think it's great television, because for me it isn't.  I saw that Hawley is doing some sort of mentoring seminar for budding showrunners, and all I could think is I hope like hell that they don't follow any of HIS advice or they're doomed  ;-) -- or maybe WE'RE doomed ;-).  How many ABC buried bodies does Hawley know about, that they hire him back time and again?

[femmefan1946]

I'm hoping that the big networks learn from the smaller ones and from the cable networks about having lower rated shows with passionate followers.

At the moment my shows are The Rookie, Cavendish (Canadian Broadcast Company*), The Orville, Young Sheldon, and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

CXG is in the fourth and final year of a planned story arc. The CW has allowed the show to stay on the air, in spite of low ratings because the fans are true fanatics, in spite of the endless breaks and hiatuses (hiati?).

*Also Baroness von Sketch and Kim's Convenience when I don't have meetings that overlap the broadcasts.

[break21]

10 hours ago, femmefan1946 said:

I'm hoping that the big networks learn from the smaller ones and from the cable networks about having lower rated shows with passionate followers.

At the moment my shows are The Rookie, Cavendish (Canadian Broadcast Company*), The Orville, Young Sheldon, and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

CXG is in the fourth and final year of a planned story arc. The CW has allowed the show to stay on the air, in spite of low ratings because the fans are true fanatics, in spite of the endless breaks and hiatuses (hiati?).

*Also Baroness von Sketch and Kim's Convenience when I don't have meetings that overlap the broadcasts.

The difference between a show like CXG and The Rookie is the cost of production.   The Rookie is a big, expensive show.  Nathan doesn't come cheap and there are a ton of location shoots.  My guess is CXG is cheap enough to produce that it makes a profit. No matter how good a show is, if it doesn't make money it will get cancelled.

ABC saved "A Million Little Things" because it's likely a lot cheaper to produce than The Rookie  They're most expensive cast member, Ron Livingston, doesn't appear in every episode so they don't have to pay him for episodes he's not in.  They also don't do a lot of location shoots.

[Loandbehold]

7 hours ago, break21 said:

The difference between a show like CXG and The Rookie is the cost of production.   The Rookie is a big, expensive show.  Nathan doesn't come cheap and there are a ton of location shoots.  My guess is CXG is cheap enough to produce that it makes a profit. No matter how good a show is, if it doesn't make money it will get cancelled.

Fillion is also an executive producer. As a result, he might be taking less in salary. Still, location shooting and a relatively large cast does make for an expensive production. 

[femmefan1946]

Executive Producer, I've been told, is a way to give more money to an actor without necessarily adding extra responsibilities.

While CXG does not have a high priced cast (although some well know guests have appeared like Tovah Feldshuh, Patton Oswald, and Josh Groban )

putting one to three musical numbers in each episode must cost something.

And the core cast is about seven or eight characters with another dozen or more as recurring.

On the other hand, each season is relatively short, about twelve or fourteen episodes.

And I'm off topic.

[WendyCR72]

On 3/2/2019 at 11:23 PM, Loandbehold said:

Fillion is also an executive producer. As a result, he might be taking less in salary.

Actually, as @femmefan1946 points out, the EP title usually gives the actor more money. Whether the change in lead in will help the show remains to be seen, but with the current ratings, I can't imagine ABC is all that thrilled.

That said, it is also about looking at other shows in the 10:00 p.m. slot on the network and how their ratings compare, so time will tell if this will get a second season or not.

[Loandbehold]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Actually, as @femmefan1946 points out, the EP title usually gives the actor more money. Whether the change in lead in will help the show remains to be seen, but with the current ratings, I can't imagine ABC is all that thrilled.

I believe ultimately, yes, that's the hope. But, it's not salary. I thought it was more that the actor would have the ability to share in the profits (along w/ more of a say in the direction of the show), assuming the show lasts long enough and makes money.

[wknt3]

10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Actually, as @femmefan1946 points out, the EP title usually gives the actor more money. Whether the change in lead in will help the show remains to be seen, but with the current ratings, I can't imagine ABC is all that thrilled.

3 hours ago, Loandbehold said:

I believe ultimately, yes, that's the hope. But, it's not salary. I thought it was more that the actor would have the ability to share in the profits (along w/ more of a say in the direction of the show), assuming the show lasts long enough and makes money.

The Executive Producer credit can mean anything or nothing. Sometimes there is extra salary, sometimes there are points (profit participation), sometimes there is creative involvement beyond what is usual for a performer. Sometimes it's purely a vanity thing, and the credit is what the actor gets instead of money or creative input. There really isn't anything we can assume from the title alone.

[femmefan1946]

The Executive Producer credit that interests me is Michelle Chapman.

[TWP]

On 3/6/2019 at 4:59 PM, femmefan1946 said:

The Executive Producer credit that interests me is Michelle Chapman.

My assumption is that while Nathan is working on this show, he doesn't often need Michelle in the capacity of managerial person, or whatever she's been to him.  At the same time, he wants to keep her in his "sphere" so that when The Rookie is gone, he still has her available, and she doesn't have to seek other work during the down time, etc. etc.  Thus, it's a bit of a pay raise for him that she's paid by the studio to be an EP.   So it's essentially a way to pay him via paying her retainer.  I doubt that she does a whole lot in the capacity.  She's not a story editor, for certain, and I doubt she's a financial guru.  She probably has some day to day projects she manages or helps others to manage. 

Edited March 21, 2019 by TWP

[wknt3]

On 3/6/2019 at 7:59 PM, femmefan1946 said:

The Executive Producer credit that interests me is Michelle Chapman.

15 hours ago, TWP said:

My assumption is that while Nathan is working on this show, he doesn't often need Michelle in the capacity of managerial person, or whatever she's been to him.  At the same time, he wants to keep her in his "sphere" so that when The Rookie is gone, he still has her available, and she doesn't have to seek other work during the down time, etc. etc.  Thus, it's a bit of a pay raise for him that she's paid by the studio to be an EP.   So it's essentially a way to pay him via paying her retainer.  I doubt that she does a whole lot in the capacity.  She's not a story editor, for certain, and I doubt she's a financial guru.  She probably has some day to day projects she manages or helps others to manage. 

It's pretty standard for the star's representation to get an Executive Producer credit when a show is sold as part of a "package deal" where they are attached to the project from the start. They don't have any active involvement in the show it's just that they helped put the deal together that sold the show to the network and they get points (and a credit) in return.

[CheetaraThunder]

How I kind of want Season 3 to go:

- More bonding between Chen/Harper/Lopez, especially Lopez/Chen. I would love to see them work together, since Lopez is the only TO she has never worked with.

- More after work scenes between the T.O’s. We know Lopez and Tim are best friends, but let’s see Bradford/Harper try and become friends more.

- Lopez and Wesley going through wedding planning and the struggles of being an officer and a lawyer.

- More Jackson/Lucy scenes 

-Cojo the dog.

-If/When they decide to go the Bradford/Chen route, which they totally will, let them connect as friends first, then build that up throughout the season and possibly pull the trigger in Season 4. Eric has even said he wants the two as a slow burn( watch them fumble p, make mistakes throughout, and then get to their Ross/Rachel moment as he described it)

- More of Grey outside of work, or just more Grey in general.

[marketdoctor]

With Cop Rock facing a resurgence, I want to see a musical episode.

Massive bonus points if they have a cast member from Waitress, and Officer Nolan says he can't sing.*

 

* Because we know Nathan Fillion can; in Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog he was great--but this would be a chance to really bring out meta- and callbacks.

 

 

[Netfoot]

5 hours ago, marketdoctor said:

I want to see a musical episode.

O.
M.
F.
G!

[shapeshifter]

45 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

O.
M.
F.
G!

Because I will never know any better than to ask:   
(so don’t feel obligated to reply)  

 @Netfoot, is this an:

• OMFG! That would be AWESOME!!!

Or is this an:

• OMFG! That would be Horrible! (and not in a good, Dr. Horrible kind of way)

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, marketdoctor said:

With Cop Rock facing a resurgence

What? Where? I hope not. That crap was pulled and pulled fast for a reason! (It sucked! I remember it well, sadly, as it aired the fall after I graduated high school, and just a few months before I began college.)

[Netfoot]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

OMFG! That would be Horrible!

6 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

That crap was pulled and pulled fast for a reason! (It sucked!

QED 

 

[Moose135]

11 hours ago, marketdoctor said:

With Cop Rock facing a resurgence, I want to see a musical episode.

Please no. There's a reason Cop Rock didn't last a full season. They did a very special musical episode in the final season of Royal Pains, and it was a really bad idea there too.

[bros402]

There have only been two good musical episodes of TV shows:

Buffy The Vampire Slayer

Scrubs

but tbh i would definitely watch a musical episode of The Rookie - I bet Bradford would get a broody number like Spike's Rest In Peace from Once More, With Feeling.

[shapeshifter]

Would this singing and dancing be the hallucinations of an unconscious member of the cast/squad/team who wakes up at the end of the episode in one of those Dorothy (Wizard of Oz) realizations?

[Surrealist]

On 3/21/2019 at 5:01 AM, TWP said:

My assumption is that while Nathan is working on this show, he doesn't often need Michelle in the capacity of managerial person, or whatever she's been to him.  At the same time, he wants to keep her in his "sphere" so that when The Rookie is gone, he still has her available, and she doesn't have to seek other work during the down time, etc. etc.  Thus, it's a bit of a pay raise for him that she's paid by the studio to be an EP.   So it's essentially a way to pay him via paying her retainer.  I doubt that she does a whole lot in the capacity.  She's not a story editor, for certain, and I doubt she's a financial guru.  She probably has some day to day projects she manages or helps others to manage. 

This post is old, but NF's sexual preference was mentioned in an ep thread. Wrong place for that, but this might be the right spot.

He doesn't strike me as gay, and there wouldn't be anything wrong with him if he were, but what's up with his relationship with his assistant/manager/whatever?

Taking her on personal vacations goes beyond work-related stuff and it's an interesting dynamic.

 

[devilhalo]

2 hours ago, Surrealist said:

This post is old, but NF's sexual preference was mentioned in an ep thread. Wrong place for that, but this might be the right spot.

He doesn't strike me as gay, and there wouldn't be anything wrong with him if he were, but what's up with his relationship with his assistant/manager/whatever?

Taking her on personal vacations goes beyond work-related stuff and it's an interesting dynamic.

 

They are both 50. She will be turning 51 this month. So maybe they had a pact that if neither of them find anybody by that time, they will get together? (Joking). 
 

anyways, they have gone on vacations in the past. But they were with friends. So I don’t know if the situation is the same now or not. 
 

They have known each other for 20 years (I think) and she has been around on SM since the Castle days (that’s how I knew about her). I would not read too much into it. But who knows? 

Edited May 22, 2021 by devilhalo

[Surrealist]

33 minutes ago, devilhalo said:

They are both 50. She will be turning 51 this month. So maybe they had a pact that if neither of them find anybody by that time, they will get together? (Joking). 
 

anyways, they have gone on vacations in the past. But they were with friends. So I don’t know if the situation is the same now or not. 
 

They have known each other for 20 years (I think) and she has been around on SM since the Castle days (that’s how I knew about her). I would not read too much into it. But who knows? 

Thanks for the info. I don't know much about his life offscreen. I know she works for him, but she's around so often, I wondered if there was something more going on.

I've never heard about her Hollywood career pre-Nathan as in was she an actress, a PA, a celeb assistant, or a friend he hired to be his assistant?

The NF personal life discussion in that Rookie thread made me look for a non-show thread about the actors. I figured this was the right thread in which to ask my question, especially after reading about Michelle.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Surrealist

[devilhalo]

25 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

Thanks for the info. I don't know much about his life offscreen. I know she works for him, but she's around so often, I wondered if there was something more going on.

I've never heard about her Hollywood career pre-Nathan as in was she an actress, a PA, a celeb assistant, or a friend he hired to be his assistant?

The NF personal life discussion in that Rookie thread made me look for a non-show thread about the actors. I figured this was the right thread in which to ask my question, especially after reading about Michelle.

I know they know each other since Firefly days (that would make it 20 years). She started working for him as assistant/manager/whatever since mid-castle (around S5). So I think she is a friend who he hired as an assistant. 

[femmefan1946]

He's had two longish relationships with women, a fellow soap star in their 20s which seems to have broken up over her drug use and another in his 30s who soon after their breakup married an Australian comedian and had a baby. Then three shorter term relationships all with actresses that he tweeted about a lot, all of them over before Castle ended.

But as others have said, nobody's business but his own.