Meredith Quill May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 Here is a chance to speculate about what events may or may not occur in episode 8 only. There will be weekly episode spec threads for individual episodes from now on so please either save your thoughts about eps 9 & 10 for those or post them in another appropriate thread. This is a Book Talk thread, therefore, if you are unspoiled please leave now or risk spoilers. Thank you. Link to comment
joliefaire May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 Well, one thing we know is coming up in ep. 8 (cue, the title). And that's going to break my heart, alas... I do wonder, though, whether BriPod are going to start coming across hanged Freys, which will tell us much about whether unCat is going to be in the season finale, or not. We know that ep. 9 takes place at the Wall, so no hanging Freys there. I had really expected to start seeing them in this previous episode--if the show does go with the unCat (Lady Stoneheart) storyline, then I hope they keep the hanged Freys nameless, not have Brienne or Pod identify them, but let the audience figure it out for themselves. Like, 'Hey! Look at those stupid hats on those hanging guys! Those are those assholes who killed all the Starks at that miserable wedding!! Somebody's getting revenge, YAY!! But... who?? Who's doing this?' I think that'd be the way to make the eventual reveal a real shocker. Anybody else? 2 Link to comment
dr pepper May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 Those you who watch with unsullied friends and family, need to stock up on extra tissues and liquor. and maybe have a grief hotline on speed dial. As for unCat: agreed. In fact, i think a great way to end the season would be to introduce her right at the end, through Brienne's eyes. Of course that means they'd better *&^%$#@! well get the next book out before the next season starts or i won't be able to watch it. 2 Link to comment
LilWharveyGal May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 (edited) Those you who watch with unsullied friends and family, need to stock up on extra tissues and liquor. and maybe have a grief hotline on speed dial. And maybe even set up the camera so that we can have a "Fan Reactions to the Red We... I mean, Duel" video on youtube. Because I'm going to be really depressed and need something funny to watch to lift my spirits. Edited May 20, 2014 by LilWharveyGal 2 Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 20, 2014 Author Share May 20, 2014 Wic.net article re Ep8 Trial by combat: David Benioff and Dan Weiss tease “one of the best combat scenes we’ve done so far” Link to comment
Lady S. May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 What do we think Sansa's lie for Littlefinger will be? Lysa tripped and fell through the gaping hole in the floor, left open for no good reason? Link to comment
GreyBunny May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 (edited) Those you who watch with unsullied friends and family, need to stock up on extra tissues and liquor. and maybe have a grief hotline on speed dial. We're going to need this for me and my bookwalker friends as well. All of my buddies who read the books LOVE Oberyn and the crying and cosmic bargaining for a way for the TV show to let him live has already started. The tumblr blogs I follow are going NUTS. Edited May 21, 2014 by GreyBunny 1 Link to comment
plurie May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 What do we think Sansa's lie for Littlefinger will be? Lysa tripped and fell through the gaping hole in the floor, left open for no good reason? My guess is that they'll say Lysa commited suicide. Everyone knows how unstable she is, so I'm sure Littlefinger can come up with a plausible "reason" why she would do it. 1 Link to comment
Haleth May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 I think her lie is going to be something to make him look heroic. He'll say something like he didn't do enough to stop her and she'll say that's a lie, he loved her and begged her to come away from the Moon Door but Lysa wouldn't listen, blah blah... 1 Link to comment
Attaboy000 May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 I was honestly more gutted by Oberyn's death than by anything else I've read in the books. Robb and Catelyn's deaths were heart breaking, but moreso because of what it meant in the grand scheme of things. I did not care for Robb in the books, or the TV show. Oberyn is a different story. The guy is the epitome of bad ass, and to read that amazing combat scene only to have it end the way it did...ugh, I had to re-read that last part multiple times because I just couldn't accept it. So many people are going to be gutted by this, myself included. 8 Link to comment
mac123x May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 My guess is that Petyr says Lysa killed herself, but Sansa steps up to say that he’s lying: Lysa was raging and trying to push her out the Moon Door, but slipped and fell. “Lord Balish lies, but I have to tell the truth… it was all my fault! We were struggling and she slipped… I grabbed her and tried to pull her up but I wasn’t strong enough. I... I… killed her!” [que crocodile tears]. The assembled lords of the Vale or whoever then absolve her, because they know a pretty, young woman would be blameless. I was honestly more gutted by Oberyn's death than by anything else I've read in the books. Robb and Catelyn's deaths were heart breaking, but moreso because of what it meant in the grand scheme of things. I did not care for Robb in the books, or the TV show. Oberyn is a different story. The guy is the epitome of bad ass, and to read that amazing combat scene only to have it end the way it did...ugh, I had to re-read that last part multiple times because I just couldn't accept it. So many people are going to be gutted by this, myself included. Conversely, I can't reread the Oberyn / Mountain fight chapter because it annoyed me too much. Oberyn woould have won, but for trying to gloat. It was an incredibly stupid and impatient action, especially considering he'd been plotting revenge against Elia's killers with his brother for over a decade. 2 Link to comment
Hanahope May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 Every season seems to have a gut-wrenching death and Oberyn's will be this season's. And yes, another death that could have been avoided too. Its really a shame, they did such a wonderful job in casting Oberyn, I liked him a helluva lot more on the show than in the book. Pedro Pascal was simply fabulous. It seems they alternate, to some extent, who is in each episode, so I don't expect we'll see Brienne and Pod in the next episode or Arya/Hound. I expect most of the Episode 8 will be the combat and aftermath, plus potentially the Sansa/Littlefinger resolution to Lysa's death. Plus we'll have to get something with Mance and/or Ygritte & Co. to set up for episode 9. Also probably a Bran scene. Link to comment
Lady S. May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 Nah, I think we're in for another teased Stark reunion with Arya/Sandor this close to Vale, and Sansa's sl ongong. Maybe Lysa's death is connected to them being turned away at the gate, maybe we have more surprise returning guests as they get into a fight with the mountain clans. There has to some other event, after their progress in the last ep, before she leaves him for dead in the finale and gets on the ship to Braavos. Link to comment
Haleth May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 Poor Unsullied are going to have to wonder for two weeks who will win the Mountain/Oberyn contest. And then have their hopes dashed. Link to comment
dr pepper May 21, 2014 Share May 21, 2014 Hmm. (Hound and Arya on the approach the the Aerie.) Hound: The castle is up there, we're underneath where it overhangs. Arya: Wait, what's that on the ground? Hound: It looks like a body. Get back, someone's coming! (they hug a curve in the cliff wall and watch as a small party, led by Littlefinger, approaches.) Hound: *&^%$#@! Baelish! Him being here can't be good. Arya: They're taking away the body-- ahh-- Hound (clamps her mouth): Too late. Again. Arya: So, i suppose you're going to sell me to Littlefinger, then. Hound: And have him sell *me* to the Lannisters? No, we leave now, as quickly and quietly as possible.Arya: And go where? Hound: Dunno, but seeing as you're the *&^%$#@! Queen in the North now, i figure you should start thinking how you're gonna pay your army. That's me, by the way. (they leave.) 4 Link to comment
Silje May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 I'm bringing over my speculation from TWoP about the scene where Sansa is testifying. I think it will go like this: "Lord Baelish has told many lies but I have to tell the truth. I am not Alayne, Petyr's niece. I am [OMG, is she going to say she's Sansa Stark?!?] Alayne Stone, his bastard daughter. Lord Baelish said that I shouldn't tell her, but Lady Lysa was so kind to me that I couldn't keep lying to her. It is all my fault. She couldn't bear the though of Petyr having a child, she jumped because of me." If it happens this way, maybe Sansa suggested the daughter part as a way to try to keep Littlefinger from kissing her again. 5 Link to comment
Lady S. May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 I'm bringing over my speculation from TWoP about the scene where Sansa is testifying. I think it will go like this: "Lord Baelish has told many lies but I have to tell the truth. I am not Alayne, Petyr's niece. I am [OMG, is she going to say she's Sansa Stark?!?] Alayne Stone, his bastard daughter. Lord Baelish said that I shouldn't tell her, but Lady Lysa was so kind to me that I couldn't keep lying to her. It is all my fault. She couldn't bear the though of Petyr having a child, she jumped because of me." If it happens this way, maybe Sansa suggested the daughter part as a way to try to keep Littlefinger from kissing her again. That's pretty good. So good I expect the actual explanation to make much less sense. 1 Link to comment
ellystar May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 (edited) I was honestly more gutted by Oberyn's death than by anything else I've read in the books. Robb and Catelyn's deaths were heart breaking, but moreso because of what it meant in the grand scheme of things. I did not care for Robb in the books, or the TV show. Oberyn is a different story. The guy is the epitome of bad ass, and to read that amazing combat scene only to have it end the way it did...ugh, I had to re-read that last part multiple times because I just couldn't accept it. So many people are going to be gutted by this, myself included. I'm with you on that. I just remember reading it and thinking that Oberyn actually got the upper hand and was actually going to win and Tyrion would be freed (back when I liked Tyrion before ADWD...). And then everything went so wrong, so fast. It pains me everytime I see non-book readers who are convinced he will win. I want to look forward to this fight because it looks epic, but I'm dreading it because of the outcome. I wonder how they're going to handle Gregor's eventual "death" from his poison wound. Maybe he'll die sooner, instead of having that "is he dead yet?" game play out forever like it seemed to do in the books. I'm very curious to see how the events of Lysa's murder unfold without that singer guy to blame. Edited May 22, 2014 by ellystar 1 Link to comment
GreyBunny May 22, 2014 Share May 22, 2014 (edited) I was honestly more gutted by Oberyn's death than by anything else I've read in the books. Robb and Catelyn's deaths were heart breaking, but moreso because of what it meant in the grand scheme of things. I did not care for Robb in the books, or the TV show. Oberyn is a different story. The guy is the epitome of bad ass, and to read that amazing combat scene only to have it end the way it did...ugh, I had to re-read that last part multiple times because I just couldn't accept it. So many people are going to be gutted by this, myself included. I loved Oberyn in the books and I love him even more thanks to Pedro Pascal. I'm used to everyone dying and no one is safe and all that, but finally (for me) it's going to be a death that's really going to hurt. Ned? Nope (though a surprise since I hadn't read the books yet). Red Wedding? Nope. Oberyn? A brutal kick right in the feels. :( I'm bringing over my speculation from TWoP about the scene where Sansa is testifying.<snip> Silje I like that. I want to see Sansa come up with something that shows she's crafty and could possibly outmaneuver Petyr sometime down the road. Edited May 24, 2014 by GreyBunny Link to comment
Holmbo May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 From the non book talk Mountain Viper Speculation Thread: I'm excited about the fight but I think this might be the first predictable outcome this show has given us. I really don't expect Tyrion to die and that probably means Oberyn wins... or doesn't lose. Moahaha 3 Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 I'm excited about the fight but I think this might be the first predictable outcome this show has given us. I really don't expect Tyrion to die and that probably means Oberyn wins... or doesn't lose. Oh you poor poor sweet summer child (whoever you are). *sad face* such a shame he dies, I love that character. 2 Link to comment
Lady S. May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I was positively looking forward to the Red Wedding last year, but I feel bad for anyone watching this unspoiled. Though I guess it's good to know the Red Wedding hasn't left everyone always expecting the worst. Link to comment
sev May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 I found Oberyn super cool in the book, and I was bummed when he got smashed. The fight has the potential to look very good on screen; Show!Oberyn turned into a well rounded and passionate character so his demise will really hit the guts. We'll all be there with Ellaria's pain (great job at establishing the solidity of their relationship)... So.. actually... yes,... in a perverse way... I'm kinda... totally looking forward to it. Plus Lena Headey looked so gorgeous and smug in her strut over entrails in the last ep, that I'm also looking forward to love to hate Cersei's gloating after the combat. GoT: embrace your pain. 1 Link to comment
Haldebrandt May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 The Purple Wedding was greatly enhanced by the multitude of reaction shots of main characters to Joff's shenanigans. I very much hope for the same here. 1 Link to comment
joliefaire May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 I found Oberyn super cool in the book, and I was bummed when he got smashed. The fight has the potential to look very good on screen; Show!Oberyn turned into a well rounded and passionate character so his demise will really hit the guts. We'll all be there with Ellaria's pain (great job at establishing the solidity of their relationship)... So.. actually... yes,... in a perverse way... I'm kinda... totally looking forward to it. Plus Lena Headey looked so gorgeous and smug in her strut over entrails in the last ep, that I'm also looking forward to love to hate Cersei's gloating after the combat. GoT: embrace your pain. 1 Link to comment
dr pepper May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 One thing we're going to miss on the show is the sheer overshadowing bulk of the Mountain, made bulker by his wearing three layers of full armor without being hampered. Also, while we're all shaking our heads over the unsullied speculation about the outcome of the fight, we're overlooking another aspect. And that's the venue. Those unsullied who've speculated about that are assuming it will be a public event, probably requiring payment for admission, in an actual arena. The first shock the unsullied will get is when they see that the fight takes place in an open area where the only walls are the spectators themselves. The second shock will be when someone doesn't get out of the way fast enough and gets cut in two by the Mountain. This won't lessen the final shock, though. Link to comment
GreyBunny May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 (edited) About the fighting venue: We did see some of the fighting area in previews and there are walls and seating like a sports arena. I would hope that someone in the audience does get cut just to bring home the horror of what Oberyn is facing, but the spectators look like they're well away from any immediate danger. A photo of the arena: http://www.geekexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/l2.jpg . Edited May 24, 2014 by GreyBunny Link to comment
Haldebrandt May 24, 2014 Share May 24, 2014 (edited) About the fighting venue: We did see some of the fighting area in previews and there are walls and seating like a sports arena. I would hope that someone in the audience does get cut just to bring home the horror of what Oberyn is facing, but the spectators look like they're well away from any immediate danger. A photo of the arena: http://www.geekexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/l2.jpg . The bro behind the Mountain looks like a Lannister red shirt. He'll do just fine as the stable boy. Edited May 25, 2014 by SilverStormm Tagged potential spoilery info 3 Link to comment
WalterWhiteWalker May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 Lots of photos just released: http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/27/pictures-game-thrones-season-4-episode-8-mountain-viper/ Great stuff here: * Arya with the Hound, then Arya alone. Hound dies/"dies" this episode? * Dany with Missandei, Grey Worm, and Selmy, then Jorah alone on a boat. (Obviously, named "The Friendzone"). Jorah's exile this episode? * Very conspicuous picture of Grandmaester Pycelle... why? What is left for him to do now? Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 27, 2014 Author Share May 27, 2014 Read this elsewhere: this is the book talk thread I realise but it could be seen as spoilery as it kinda confirms certain events that happen this episode, so I'm tagging it to be on the safe side: Jorah is given the boot, Arya and the Hound fight off the Knights of the Vale and the Hound is mortally wounded, the Wildlings attack Mole’s Town, Theon and Ramsay take Moat Cailin, Sansa plays the Lords Declarant like a pro and to top it all off - the trial by combat! Link to comment
Lady S. May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 (edited) * Very conspicuous picture of Grandmaester Pycelle... why? What is left for him to do now? Fail to save the Mountain, so Cersei can then give him over to her bff Qyburn for experimentation in the finale. I was on the right track with Arya/Sandor then, does it look like they're on the same path Sansa traveled to the Bloody Gate? ETA: To answer my own question, yes, there's more pics here, including one of the Knight of the Gate. Also a shot of Moat Cailin. Would've thought Jorah's exile would be pushed to the finale. Edited May 27, 2014 by Lady S. Link to comment
Haldebrandt May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 Disappointing new regarding Arya & Sandor at the Bloody Gates. The Stark near misses are getting silly. Link to comment
WalterWhiteWalker May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 "Excuse me, is Lysa Tully in?" "Sorry to say, sir, she fell through the Moon Door three days ago. Would you like to see the little Lord instead?" "No thanks, we're off beyond the Wall to find Benjen Stark." Link to comment
GreyBunny May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 (edited) Would've thought Jorah's exile would be pushed to the finale. I thought so too. I would have guessed that Tyrion and Jorah would both go into exile in the finale for symmetry purposes. Tywin's letter must have been sent by a messenger with a teleporter. Edited May 27, 2014 by GreyBunny Link to comment
Lady S. May 28, 2014 Share May 28, 2014 News does travel fast across the narrow sea these days, Dany's conquest of Meereen, the murder of Joffrey, now the identity of Varys's ex-spy, you'd think these people had access to some Westerosi-equivalent of Google. 2 Link to comment
DigitalCount May 28, 2014 Share May 28, 2014 Talk about hard to watch, though. I feel like this break is going to make it even more difficult. Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 28, 2014 Author Share May 28, 2014 News does travel fast across the narrow sea these days, Dany's conquest of Meereen, the murder of Joffrey, now the identity of Varys's ex-spy, you'd think these people had access to some Westerosi-equivalent of Google. It's called The Weir(wood)Net. ;) 3 Link to comment
Lady S. May 29, 2014 Share May 29, 2014 (edited) It's called The Weir(wood)Net. ;) Bloodraven is involved in the affairs of his great-great-great-half niece? Greenseers do have their fingers in a lot of pies. Actually, thinking on it, a span of two eps isn't that fast for GoT news delivery. Hearing about Joff's death the ep after was a bit much, but two eps was the time span in s1. Jorah found out Dany was pregnant in 1.03, then Robert found out and ordered her death in 1.05, then Jorah got his pardon and foiled Varys's half-assed assassination attempt in 1.07. Edited May 29, 2014 by Lady S. Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 29, 2014 Author Share May 29, 2014 Bloodraven is involved in the affairs of his great-great-great-half niece? Greenseers do have their fingers in a lot of pies. Actually, thinking on it, a span of two eps isn't that fast for GoT news delivery. Hearing about Joff's death the ep after was a bit much, but two eps was the time span in s1. Jorah found out Dany was pregnant in 1.03, then Robert found out and ordered her death in 1.05, then Jorah got his pardon and foiled Varys's half-assed assassination attempt in 1.07. Please don't take my comment seriously, it was an (admittedly poor) attempt at humour... Link to comment
Lady S. May 29, 2014 Share May 29, 2014 I wasn't, ;), Bloodraven still guiding the Targ dynasty was my even worse attempt at humor. Weirwoodnet as world wide web is only slightly less amusing than jokes about Daario being Benjen or Quaithe being Dany from the future. Unless I'm lurking one of the many crackpot threads at w.org I do assume such ideas are meant to not be taken too seriously. Link to comment
GreyBunny May 29, 2014 Share May 29, 2014 (edited) Please don't take my comment seriously, it was an (admittedly poor) attempt at humour... The WeirNet. I like it. You got a giggle out of me. :) Edited May 29, 2014 by GreyBunny 1 Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 29, 2014 Author Share May 29, 2014 Lol well thank you muchly - looks like I'm on a roll tonight - just found out I won a prize for submitting a winning question to GRRM's Editors online Q&A too, now if I can just get those damn lottery numbers right, I'll have a hat trick in the bag! ;) 1 Link to comment
dr pepper May 29, 2014 Share May 29, 2014 What was the question? And did you get an answer? Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 30, 2014 Author Share May 30, 2014 What was the question? And did you get an answer? I'll PM you as I don't want to derail the thread further. Link to comment
am1994 May 31, 2014 Share May 31, 2014 It was the death of the Red Viper that made me think that GRRM is a sadist. Why do all of the 'good guys' have to die horrible deaths in this man's fantasy world? I'm glad I know who will die up to the last book because being an unsullied and being crushed all the time would make me throw things at my tv. 2 Link to comment
Winnief May 31, 2014 Share May 31, 2014 I'm glad I know who will die up to the last book because being an unsullied and being crushed all the time would make me throw things at my tv. Ha! Seriously, you need to armor yourself to survive this show or else it will crush you. And yeah, Oberyn's death really hurt on the page and will so even more on screen because Pedro has been so fantastic in the role. I'm hoping we'll get to see some of the BwB handiwork this episode in the form of a few dead Frey's on the road-that would also confirm UnCat for the finale which would be awesome. (Not to mention in a season of so much heartache a few dead Frey's might cheer us all up.) Looks like Ramsay will take Moat Cailin in this episode and that we'll have another near miss Stark reunion-I wonder if the Hound will start to sicken here-maybe even die in this episode. But what's really intriguing to me is Sansa's scene in the Vale. They're already introducing the Lords Declarant, and things are moving very quickly on her storyline-could this be where she starts to transition from pawn to player?!? Fingers crossed... Link to comment
Meredith Quill May 31, 2014 Author Share May 31, 2014 Ha! Seriously, you need to armor yourself to survive this show or else it will crush you. And yeah, Oberyn's death really hurt on the page and will so even more on screen because Pedro has been so fantastic in the role. I'm hoping we'll get to see some of the BwB handiwork this episode in the form of a few dead Frey's on the road-that would also confirm UnCat for the finale which would be awesome. (Not to mention in a season of so much heartache a few dead Frey's might cheer us all up.) Looks like Ramsay will take Moat Cailin in this episode and that we'll have another near miss Stark reunion-I wonder if the Hound will start to sicken here-maybe even die in this episode. But what's really intriguing to me is Sansa's scene in the Vale. They're already introducing the Lords Declarant, and things are moving very quickly on her storyline-could this be where she starts to transition from pawn to player?!? Fingers crossed... Re The Hound apparently he is injured in a fight with the knights of the vale in this episode. Also reading an interview with the director of this episode, 'Sophie Turner really comes into her own during the trial of Littlefinger '. Make of that what you will... Link to comment
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