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From "Walking Dead Family & Friends" via Facebook, this is the rest of the season premiere after the released video. 

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WALKING DEAD FAMILY & FRIENDS IS..... BACK !
YOU READY FOR 9x1 "A New Beginning" ?!
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After the new intro, our group arrives at the capitol. Here they have to take out some walkers first before they can start to search for supplies and carry a large wagon downstairs. They have to go over a floor of glass. It seems to work but when Ezekiel and Carol try to get a part over it, Ezekiel breaks through the glass. But before the walkers can eat him, the other ones save him (and we will see a kiss scene between Ezekiel and Carol.)

While everyones walking on a road. Ezekiel asks Carol to marry him. She will not say yes but she will also not say no. Ezekiel will laugh and say that he loves her and always will. They will arrive at a broken bridge and will be surprised by walkers. They have to get away, but Ken runs back to try and Dave a horse, and the walkers will catch him and he gets bit. Our group will try to save him and kills all the walkers, but he dies. Maggie will end it for him.

Maggie will talk later to Tammy Rose and Earl and tells them about the death of their son. At the funeral,Alden will sing a song for him and Gregorys last words will be "Cheers kid, rest in peace".

We see the Sanctuary too in this episode and Daryl is now it's leader. On the wall is a new painting with "Saviors save us" and Daryl wants to know who wrote it and tells Jim to paint something over it. Rick and the others will bring supplies and farming tools to the sanctuary. The Sanctuary is suffering. However, Daryl wants to quit being the leader of the Sanctuary. He also doesn't want to ho back to Alexandria. He wants to go back to Hilltop to check it out for Maggie and the baby.

Daryl says to Carol that she deserves to be happy. And he gives his "pookie" blessings to them. Carol will take over the sanctuary.

Gregory gives alcohol to Earl and makes sure he gets drunk and riled up about Maggie. Later, Gregory tells Maggie that someone was at Glenn's grave and was messing with it. She will go there with her baby and will be attacked by the drunken Earl. Enid comes to help and get hit and knocked out hard by him. Others come to help Maggie. Maggie went to Gregory to confront him with that and they will fight. Grgeory can't see Maggie as lead because he thinks it was all his work that build up Hilltop.

Rick and Michonne will show up at Hilltop and we will have a talk between Maggie and Rick. Rick is holding Hershel Jr. for a little bit. He invites Maggie to Alexandria but Maggie refuses. Rick needs help to build up the bridge again, but Maggie is against helping the Saviors in any way. She shows animosity towards him.

At night, Maggie will show all the people of Hilltop and Rick and Michonne, what will happen when someone stands against the Hilltop. She will hang Gregory in front all of them, Rick and Michonne are shocked about this decision.

And that's how the episode ends.

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More than anything, I'm fascinated about the amount of "it's better, really" swirling around reviews of the first few episodes. For some reason I was under the impression that most viewers liked Negan and that whole storyline, the showrunners sure seemed confident in their approach, so I'm surprised there's such a strong "the show you love is back" narrative. 

As for the show itself, whatever. It got so bad to me that I question whether it was ever really good, or whether it was just different when it first started. I'll probably follow it until the end, because I get hooked on soap operas, but I'm not holding my breath that I'll be entertained. 

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1 hour ago, phoenix780 said:

More than anything, I'm fascinated about the amount of "it's better, really" swirling around reviews of the first few episodes. For some reason I was under the impression that most viewers liked Negan and that whole storyline, the showrunners sure seemed confident in their approach, so I'm surprised there's such a strong "the show you love is back" narrative. 

As for the show itself, whatever. It got so bad to me that I question whether it was ever really good, or whether it was just different when it first started. I'll probably follow it until the end, because I get hooked on soap operas, but I'm not holding my breath that I'll be entertained. 

Yes, it's a bit telling that they are admitting it needed to be better.  I guess losing half the audience of the most popular show on TV finally got undeniable.  The show I loved is never going to be back after they killed off Carl, and Rick really is the "walking dead" now.

My son always tells me this, that it was never that good.  lol.  That I was just "blinded by the production value."  Which has also mostly gone away now.  The original Frank Darabont atmosphere of the show was so good.

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1 hour ago, jenrising said:

From "Walking Dead Family & Friends" via Facebook, this is the rest of the season premiere after the released video. 

but Maggie is against helping the Saviors in any way. She shows animosity towards him.

At night, Maggie will show all the people of Hilltop and Rick and Michonne, what will happen when someone stands against the Hilltop. She will hang Gregory in front all of them, Rick and Michonne are shocked about this decision.

Maggie's resolve sounds kind of good, but the decision to kill an actually interesting character is terrible.  She could have hung a redshirt to get her point across.  Michonne and Rick being pacifist towards someone attacking Maggie is stupid though. I know I'm repeating myself, sorry.

Also, the idea that Daryl would ever be put in charge of governing a community is dumb. 

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On 9/26/2018 at 6:18 AM, OoohMaggie said:

Season 9 Premier opening minutes,

Its certainly looking promising, if for nothing other than Aaron’s Biblical beard

FX is still good! Killing the walkers with the sword, awesome! Looks good to me, can't wait for the show to resume. Thx for sharing! 

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I don't like the sound of "Hershel Jr.", it makes it sound like Maggie's father is the father...ewwww.

2 hours ago, peach said:

Maggie's resolve sounds kind of good, but the decision to kill an actually interesting character is terrible. 

Agreed, bad move, I enjoyed watching that sneaky weasel :(

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On 9/23/2018 at 2:19 PM, peach said:

He's at least as important as Neil.

Oh, thanks. I was dearly hoping that would be the case. I may have asked at the time, "Who the fuck is Neil?" but I have confidence Earl will make more of an impact.

On 9/20/2018 at 8:43 PM, nodorothyparker said:

Considering that we know AMC ponied up the big bucks to keep Norman Reedus as our new "leading man,"

I never saw "Boondock Saints" where maybe his talents show to best advantage, but after Se02 of TWD(and after seeing one of his movies) I began to come to the conclusion that Norman Reedus' acting talent is "iffy" at best, although still better than Allana Masters'. I could be dead wrong since I don't watch many movies or TV shows and have seen him nowhere else.

4 hours ago, ByTor said:

I don't like the sound of "Hershel Jr.

She's naming the baby "Hershel"? Oh, please. Well, at least it fits in with other kids who have olden-day names: Enid, Sam, Henry, Carl.

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I can’t believe that Maggie wouldn’t call her son  Glenn, Hershel Rhee, there is no way she wouldn’t have put Glenn in there first, you would surely put not only your most recent love, but also the father of your child first in line for a name, your dad coming an obviously very close second.

53 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

Well, at least it fits in with other kids who have olden-day names: Enid, Sam, Henry, Carl.

Judith isn’t exactly all the rage.

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13 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

I never saw "Boondock Saints" where maybe his talents show to best advantage, but after Se02 of TWD(and after seeing one of his movies) I began to come to the conclusion that Norman Reedus' acting talent is "iffy" at best, although still better than Allana Masters'. I could be dead wrong since I don't watch many movies or TV shows and have seen him nowhere else.

Had this been about season 2 Daryl when he was still reasonably presentable, coasting on the competence is sexy thing when most of them were clearly so inept they should have been dead the first night, and the only character not often hopelessly entangled in the Rick-Lori-Shane mess, Daryl being promoted as the next big thing would have made a certain amount of sense.  That's when Daryl really took off in the fandom.  But nope.  Season after season of woobifying him while giving him precious little to do but mope and feel sad about anyone or anything he shared 5 minutes of screentime with while his character development was marked mostly by growing and coloring his hair and failing to bathe until he was scarcely more able to string words together than any of the garbage crew, and that ship has sailed.  I don't hate him, but I've said all the way along Reedus is only as good as his screen partner.  As long as he was doing a lot of scenes with Andy Lincoln or Melissa McBride, he did pretty well.  With certain others, really not so much.  He's just kind of ... there.  I mean, the show did an entire standalone episode of him being tortured and kept filthy and eating dog food and there was almost no discernible difference.

Mostly, I'm just amused that per the spoilers, he's starting out this big transition season unhappy and whining about how hard actually running anything is rather than playing eternal second fiddle and blowing stuff up from his motorcycle.  That's hot, right?

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3 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

I don't hate him, but I've said all the way along Reedus is only as good as his screen partner.  As long as he was doing a lot of scenes with Andy Lincoln or Melissa McBride, he did pretty well.  With certain others, really not so much.  He's just kind of ... there.

I'm glad it's not just me. He's become merely background scenery, a sad-faced (what we see of his face)Emo who nods and grunts when needed or given orders. The sarcastic, gruff, wise-cracking persona we glimpsed briefly in Se02 caught my attention, but I can't remember when he said or did anything of note. His utterly filthy, disgusting and regrettably nude and ultimately pointless imprisonment by Negan just repelled me and now he's a near-mute fuckup. Too bad. I don't hate him either. There's nothing there to love or hate.

47 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

I can’t believe that Maggie wouldn’t name her child after the man she loved and who was also the father of that child, by all means remember her father, but Glenn Hershel Rhee is a far more believable name for her to choose.

Glenn? Who is he?

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4 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

.  I don't hate him, but I've said all the way along Reedus is only as good as his screen partner.  As long as he was doing a lot of scenes with Andy Lincoln or Melissa McBride, he did pretty well. 

One of my favorite parts of the entire series was his whole relationship with Merle, and how complicated and realistic that was. I just loved that episode where they had it out in the woods, and Daryl realized his true home was with Team Family, and he became more of his own man and not just Merle's brother.  They both had to come to terms with their own childhoods.  And I don't mind his personality being that of a lieutenant and not a leader, because that's also realistic.  I realize they are starting out with him wanting to quit leading the Sanctuary still expects me to believe he was doing that for 18 months. 

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11 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

Glenn? Who is he?

Uuummmmm, Glenn...........Glenn............... no it’s gone

7 hours ago, peach said:

I realize they are starting out with him wanting to quit leading the Sanctuary still expects me to believe he was doing that for 18 months. 

It is laughable, considering he’d be quite happy killing every last one of them, coupled with his uncommunicative personality, you couldn’t imagine a less suitable leader.

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9 hours ago, peach said:

One of my favorite parts of the entire series was his whole relationship with Merle, and how complicated and realistic that was. I just loved that episode where they had it out in the woods, and Daryl realized his true home was with Team Family, and he became more of his own man and not just Merle's brother. 

Daryl hasn't been interesting to me since Merle died. Merle was the interesting one. Daryl simply benefited from his proximity.

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9 hours ago, peach said:

And I don't mind his personality being that of a lieutenant and not a leader, because that's also realistic. 

Absolutely. I've always said he was a great follower - the second in command who could be counted on to follow instructions, CYA and get stuff done. That was his strength. That's been taken away, so there's little left. If they wish to push him now as some sort of leader he'll need to learn to stop speaking - or mumbling - as though he's a miser and words are a dollar each. I'm trying to picture Daryl standing before a crowd, making rousing speechs a la Rick. Nope, can't do it.

13 minutes ago, LydiaMoon1 said:

Daryl hasn't been interesting to me since Merle died. Merle was the interesting one. Daryl simply benefited from his proximity.

Amen. Love him or hate him, Merle was a very compelling, complex and charismatic character, thanks to Michael Rooker's talents. Gee, I get nostalgic when I think about his conversation with Hershel, back in the days when this show had character development, great acting, and people actually spoke to one another like human beings. Good times.

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45 minutes ago, LydiaMoon1 said:

Daryl hasn't been interesting to me since Merle died. Merle was the interesting one. Daryl simply benefited from his proximity.

Michael Rooker was the real strength there, but they also wrote Daryl as a real person back then.  They explained some backstory of the abuse he took, of abandonment.  Then he grew past some of it in that season, and then his character development utterly stopped.  

FF to the coming plot, and as usual, something that COULD have been developed is just handwaved off camera.  Maybe Daryl attempting to lead a mutually hostile community would have been interesting, but presto, a Walking Dead Time Jump so we don't have to witness the aftermath of anything ever.

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6 hours ago, LydiaMoon1 said:

Daryl hasn't been interesting to me since Merle died. Merle was the interesting one. Daryl simply benefited from his proximity.

Another example of Reedus only being as good as his scene partner.  The writing for their story was stronger then and most certainly helped, but Michael Rooker had a really strong screen presence that spilled over onto Reedus and made him better too.  I'm always going to be sorry they killed Merle off when they did, seemingly for no other reason than they couldn't figure out what to do with him.  It's fun to imagine what he would have made of his baby brother and the others who looked down their noses at him becoming cold-blooded killers or some of the other bad things they got up to in the later seasons.

Daryl mumbling and stumbling his way through leading the same people who'd tortured him and fought against him, who were used to a decidedly verbose leader who led them to this point, could have been interesting.  But we're going to skip over all of that.

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Let's all take a moment to remember our introduction to Daryl:

That guy could've been a leading man for the series.

This show always skips what I think would be the interesting stories - about people trying to survive and maybe rebuild their world -- in favor of dick-measuring, monologues, destruction, and "shocking" deaths.  But, they've screwed up all the stories they did choose to tell for the past 2.5 years so they'd probably screw up the stories I'd like too.  

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2 hours ago, rab01 said:

That guy could've been a leading man for the series.

THAT Daryl would have shoved Rick aside and put a bolt in Negan's head while Rick was calling for medical assistance. Daryl killed Fat Joey in cold blood partly as payback, yet stands there all hangdog while the person who engineered his humiliation and torture and murdered Glenn and Abe is allowed to live. They may as well let Daryl get bitten by some dumbass blunder, since he's basically been a zombie for years.

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2 hours ago, rab01 said:

That guy could've been a leading man for the series.

This show always skips what I think would be the interesting stories - about people trying to survive and maybe rebuild their world -- in favor of dick-measuring, monologues, destruction, and "shocking" deaths.  But, they've screwed up all the stories they did choose to tell for the past 2.5 years so they'd probably screw up the stories I'd like too. 

“Got us some Skwirl”, love it, 

Oh boy, that short clip has highlighted just how much my viewing of the show has changed. When I saw that episode for the first time ever, I would  have just watched and enjoyed it for what it was, a great hours entertainment about a subject that I’ve always loved. 

Yet what did I think, almost automatically when watching it now?  You dropped the keys and they just happened to fall down the drain, yeah right, as if.

Rick only now wants to go back and find Merle, then why did they come all the way back to the camp, To then decide to go all the way back to find him, when they could have just stayed on location to easily ensure Merle’s safety?

I genuinely thought those things whilst watching the clip, as I seem to have done watching the past few episodes of Fear. Is the cumulative effect of years of awful writing responsible for what I’m feeling? 

It is definitely a case however, of once your innocence has been lost, you’ll never get it back? Much like Santa Lol

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Well, now I miss Shane again. Lol.  

My fave Daryl line was when he was trying to break out of the CDC* and the Dr was saying the doors were blast proof reinforced steel, and Daryl said "Your head ain't!". Still funny.

*What a mistake.  Team Jackie now.

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5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

I'm always going to be sorry they killed Merle off when they did, seemingly for no other reason than they couldn't figure out what to do with him.

There was so much potential IMO where Merle was concerned. Merle vs Daryl, Merle vs the group and the whole Merle vs Carol in regards to Daryl. Merle was the kind of character that could bring tension to the group on a constant level. I loved the Carol/Merle scene when he recognized how she had changed and she flat out cut through his BS and told him to pick a side and be done with it. And I especially loved the deleted scene where Carol told him she would cut his throat if he messed with Daryl. It could have also provided some character stuff for Carol because she was basically trying to protect Daryl from Merle's abusive clutches. Would have been great to see her reflect on her abusive past as a result.

Merle was also a great BS meter. He didn't care who played what role in the group, he flat out told it like it is. Like when he called out Rick, the supposed good guy, for what he was willing to do to Michonne. Imagine him being in later Seasons when these people got so kill happy. They killed him off way too soon. Would rather have had him around than Sasha and Tyreese.

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12 hours ago, peach said:

My fave Daryl line was when he was trying to break out of the CDC* and the Dr was saying the doors were blast proof reinforced steel, and Daryl said "Your head ain't!". Still funny.

“I brought dinner” when first arriving at Alex is my favourite, if only we knew then where the story was going.

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On 9/27/2018 at 4:13 PM, OoohMaggie said:

I can't wait for the return. I'm really curious why they are learning to live  without gas, bullets, etc., but the helicopter crew still have gas. I wonder who they are, and what their game is flying all around spying on groups. Also, what Jadis knows about those folks. The previews are very exciting. Thx for sharing. 

On 9/26/2018 at 6:52 PM, OoohMaggie said:

Some new photos,

https://youtu.be/iz-tfhPe2XI

Hey, Negan's girl Regina survived. Can't wait to see how she takes the new law of the land. She was one of his enforcers. 

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Not terribly spoilery preview from Forbes, which likes the season premier a lot.  I generally like their reviews for both shows in the franchise as they're written by obvious fans of the show who nonetheless aren't fan boys blind to what hasn't worked or has gone terribly off the rails.  Gold star to the reviewer for referring to the past two seasons they really hated as The Negan and Friends Hour.

 

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Annoying characters remain, though I swear some of the more annoying things about them have been blessedly toned down in the first episode. Other characters feel more natural than ever, with interactions and dialogue between characters like Rick and Michonne coming across as more effortless and less...confusing. Those two actually feel like a couple for the first time. The really abstract, nonsensical dialogue that plagued the last couple of seasons may not be gone all season long, but something has definitely changed for the Season 9 premiere.

Oh, and Daryl has actual lines that aren't just grunting nonsense. Real, actual dialogue occurs between him and other characters. Amazing!

Mostly, the Season 9 premiere---aptly titled 'A New Beginning'---is a slow burn. It's not huge on action. The episode is primarily setting the stage for what's to come, and that's fine. It's a nice change of pace from Seasons 7 and 8. It's a new beginning not just for the survivors in Hilltop, the Kingdom, Oceanside, Alexandria and the Sanctuary, hopefully it's a new beginning for viewers as well. 

 

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On 30/09/2018 at 10:50 PM, WalkerTalker said:

Hey, Negan's girl Regina survived. Can't wait to see how she takes the new law of the land. She was one of his enforcers. 

Yeah, as Negan’s only female outpost leader she was a big cheese in the Saviours, they made it look as if she got killed in the finale though, but all she got was a limp. Her and Olivia’s slayer Arat, definitely deserve some retribution.

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Forbes:

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Oh, and Daryl has actual lines that aren't just grunting nonsense. Real, actual dialogue occurs between him and other characters. Amazing!

Daryl with dialogue? Real, actual words? Okay, I need to watch just for this. I won't believe it until I see it. I guess it's too much to ask that he might lift a few strands of hair out of his eyes. Greedy, I am.

Regina: Is she the one with the buzzcut and a barcode or something like that tattooed on her neck? Really, most of the characters we've met in the last few seasons are just an indistinguishable  blur to me, well, except of course for NEIL! I still haven't gotten over that loss.

26 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

Arat, who killed Olivia definitely need some retribution.

Yeah, let's kill her for Olivia, kill Fat Joey for being Negan's hapless stooge, kill all the guys in the dive bar just for being Saviors, but Negan, who orchestrated all this and murdered Maggie's husband and Abe and who came a hair away from killing Carl? Nope, do not harm a hair on his head lest you face the wrath of Rick and Michonne, his protectors.

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9 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Not terribly spoilery preview from Forbes, which likes the season premier a lot.  I generally like their reviews for both shows in the franchise as they're written by obvious fans of the show who nonetheless aren't fan boys blind to what hasn't worked or has gone terribly off the rails.  Gold star to the reviewer for referring to the past two seasons they really hated as The Negan and Friends Hour.

 

Whenever peeps couple up on this show, one or both get killed off it seems. Giving speaking lines to Daryl,they better be he will be the lead after Rick's demise. I'm looking forward to the return of TWD. Hard to believe it will be this Sunday, yippeekyyeah! Thx for  the update. 

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So eight full seasons later Rick is still awful quick to leave horses to be eaten.  I don't even care all that much about the fates of animals in shows like this as much as many people seem to because I pretty much assume when I first see them that we're going to have to watch them die horribly, but yeah, our heroes don't come off looking very heroic in this one.

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Ask Ausiello: Spoilers on Walking Dead, Grey's, Schitt's Creek, Conners, Flash, Five-0, Riverdale, This Is Us and More
By Michael Ausiello / October 2 2018, 8:28 AM PDT
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Question: The Walking Dead, please. —Cal
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Sunday’s Season 9 premiere (AMC, 9/8c) not only includes a scene that’s all but a Valentine to Daryl/Carol shippers, it brings to the fore a more formidable Maggie than we’ve ever seen. Something tells me you’re going to like this iteration of the character, too.

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It seems as though the new showrunner, Ms Kang, hasn’t managed to rid the show of those BS scenes we’ve been subjected to over ‘The Gimp’s’ watch.

After surviving 3 years of the ZA, The writers cannot have our group getting into situations like that. It was wrong in every way. After that miraculous ‘flying hoof’ and as we didn’t actually see any blood, I’m thinking Ken just about got away with that one.

If that is a taste of things to come, it’s going to be a very long season

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6 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

So eight full seasons later Rick is still awful quick to leave horses to be eaten.  I don't even care all that much about the fates of animals in shows like this as much as many people seem to because I pretty much assume when I first see them that we're going to have to watch them die horribly, but yeah, our heroes don't come off looking very heroic in this one.

And frankly, a horse is more valuable than some people at this point.  If they're planning on using 18th century plows.  The wagon thing is totally stupid.  They could make something with scavenged wheels better than dragging around an antique.  Which they apparently couldn't even secure items inside it.

 

5 hours ago, Ohwell said:

My arm!  Ouch!!!

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Anyone else having trouble "liking" posts?

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