Maci

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, MaddyMaeboxerbabe said:

Neither maci or taylor are working other than the tee shirt business.  Maci quit her job a long time ago and taylor more recently.   

Well then. I take back my only compliment about Maci that I've ever given. I actually haven't watched the show in quite some time but I would guess she would have been working when she was approved for the mortgage (working other than "tshirt business" and "reality TV star". But she probably got approved for the loan over a year ago.

 

ETA: her linked in account says she left Check to Cash in Nov 2015, but that she's now employed though Post Hill Press as a social media specialist. It doesn't say when she started though. Post Hill Press is the company that published her book. I wonder if that's a legit job.

Also, she lists her education as having an AA, but I think she means she was in the program to get her AA, not that she actually has it.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Tatum

[druzy]

It wouldn't surprise me if Maci thinks that by using hashtags like #PostHillPress on her social media that she's their social media specialist.

[Tatum]

8 minutes ago, druzy said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Maci thinks that by using hashtags like #PostHillPress on her social media that she's their social media specialist.

Now that's pretty funny.

[GreatKazu]

If Maci did buy that house with her girlfriends, she may have established credit that way. She probably established credit for the cars she has purchased over the years as well. 

[ginger90]

A Facebook post by Dillon Custom Cabinets and Furniture

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=111046192769121&id=110958942777846&__tn__=*s

[LillysPad]

I will put my question in this section, though it could go under either of the moms names. 

Does MTV pay for their health care or are they considered self employed? I am assuming that Gary's job pays for he & his family. However Maci & Taylor,  Cate & Tyler,  Amber and Farrah do not have a "normal" job when the camera's are gone.  

[Faul McCartney]

9 hours ago, Tatum said:

So she was able to get a 80% mortgage then? That surprises me a little since I heard she did not have very good credit. Yes, she has a high income, but if MTV cancels tomorrow, then what? I know she has a job as a social media specialist at Check to Cash, which they probably considered more than her reality show gig. A $263K mortgage would be somewhere between $1,300 monthly and $1,500, depending on interest rate (I'll assume she did a 360 but maybe she did 180), so I am guessing she must make about $40K (minimum) annual income at her "real" job.

 

You know what? I know I rag on her for not being able to complete an AA in 7 years, among other things, but I am actually really impressed she has managed to work a regular job, full time, for the last 2 years. That is something none of the other teen moms can say.

Yep! She got an agency (Freddie/Fannie) loan for $263,920. 30 year fixed rate. I'd kill to be able to buy a 2,300 square foot house for that! My rent is almost $2,600. Just don't make me live in Tennessee ?

I hope she still has her real job. Out of the OG girls, she seems the most aware of the fact that this is all so fleeting. Farrah will probably stay famous because she hustles at it and is apparently fine being D-list and considering herself A-list. Maci seems to acknowledge more than the others that this gravy train will come to an end. It's a matter of when, not if. 

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, OwlBwise2 said:

I will put my question in this section, though it could go under either of the moms names. 

Does MTV pay for their health care or are they considered self employed? I am assuming that Gary's job pays for he & his family. However Maci & Taylor,  Cate & Tyler,  Amber and Farrah do not have a "normal" job when the camera's are gone.  

The cast members are independent contractors of 11th Street Productions. They are not employees of MTV. They must buy their own health insurance. They must also pay their taxes because that is not deducted from their one big paycheck. It is why so many of the mothers have found themselves in deep shit. They end up owing a lot of money. I believe Maci owed at one time $80k in back taxes. 

[Caracoa1]

How do they not know to put money aside for taxes....Taxes are an issue that is drilled into your head still such a young age....of course they probably think...I'm a MTV reality TV star....I'm special... I don't have to pay taxes!

[CofCinci]

3 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

How do they not know to put money aside for taxes....Taxes are an issue that is drilled into your head still such a young age....of course they probably think...I'm a MTV reality TV star....I'm special... I don't have to pay taxes!

With the exception of Randylicious, Debra/Michael and maybe Larry/Jen, none of the parents on this series ever had to write an annual check to the US Dept of Treasury on April 15th.  Folks like April and Dawn always got a "tax return", so these dummies never thought that they'd have to pay the IRS. 

[GreatKazu]

5 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

How do they not know to put money aside for taxes....Taxes are an issue that is drilled into your head still such a young age....of course they probably think...I'm a MTV reality TV star....I'm special... I don't have to pay taxes!

The only things Maci, Cate, Leah, and Kail got drilled into their heads was how to make babies and put the blame on everrrrrrybody else. 

[LillysPad]

18 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

The cast members are independent contractors of 11th Street Productions. They are not employees of MTV. They must buy their own health insurance. They must also pay their taxes because that is not deducted from their one big paycheck. It is why so many of the mothers have found themselves in deep shit. They end up owing a lot of money. I believe Maci owed at one time $80k in back taxes. 

Thank you. 

[ginger90]

I Wasn't Born Bulletproof: Lessons I've Learned (So You Don't Have To) Hardcover –

June 27, 2017 by Maci Bookout (Author)

Bet she shows up at book signings.

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I Wasn't Born Bulletproof: Lessons I've Learned (So You Don't Have To) Hardcover –

June 27, 2017 by Maci Bookout (Author)

Bet she shows up at book signings.

Oh good god. Yes, little 25 year old suburban cable reality show participant, please break it down for me the lessons you've learned. I'm guessing it won't include "how to finish a college degree", or "how to abstain from drinking while you're pregnant" or "how to not get pregnant", but I am sure it will include gems like "which tattoo parlors in TN are the best" and "how to best bubblewrap a tshirt" since that appears to be all she's accomplished in her 8 years as an adult. 

[WhosThatGirl]

2 minutes ago, Tatum said:

Oh good god. Yes, little 25 year old suburban cable reality show participant, please break it down for me the lessons you've learned. I'm guessing it won't include "how to finish a college degree", or "how to abstain from drinking while you're pregnant" or "how to not get pregnant", but I am sure it will include gems like "which tattoo parlors in TN are the best" and "how to best bubblewrap a tshirt" since that appears to be all she's accomplished in her 8 years as an adult. 

Seriously, another book? Like really.. I hate that these people can just get a book deal because they are on a tv show. It bothers me a lot. Also because I like to torture myself I read the Amazon description about this book but then I had to stop because it started talking about all the adversely Maci has experienced. Ugh. I can't with that. I just can't. Yes she was a teen mom and she was a mom to Bentley, she's no longer a teen anymore and now her choices are of her doing. 

Plus what new stories is she going to tell us in this book? From what you awesome people who read the book and posted stuff here said, her first book was about being a teen mom and trashing Ryan and Jen and Larry. What new stories will this one have? More of the same? Without the being a teen mom though because she isn't anymore.

[Tatum]

9 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Seriously, another book? Like really.. I hate that these people can just get a book deal because they are on a tv show. It bothers me a lot. Also because I like to torture myself I read the Amazon description about this book but then I had to stop because it started talking about all the adversely Maci has experienced. Ugh. I can't with that. I just can't. Yes she was a teen mom and she was a mom to Bentley, she's no longer a teen anymore and now her choices are of her doing. 

Plus what new stories is she going to tell us in this book? From what you awesome people who read the book and posted stuff here said, her first book was about being a teen mom and trashing Ryan and Jen and Larry. What new stories will this one have? More of the same? Without the being a teen mom though because she isn't anymore.

The description was pretty vague, but I am guessing it will be full of commentary about raising three kids (two of which are still in diapers and only 13 months apart) and running three businesses (don't expect a lot of discussion on that area, lest Maci admit most of her "business" involves packing and mailing tshirts) along with numerous mentions about how "some people" think she's supergirl, to which Maci will humbly say she is not. Maci probably won't mention that she and Taylor frequently get drunk and scream at each other about how each one ruined the other's life, nor will she linger much on the fact that Maci has now, by my count, gone on three tropical vacations-without her kids- in a 12 month period.

[druzy]

21 hours ago, Tatum said:

Oh good god. Yes, little 25 year old suburban cable reality show participant, please break it down for me the lessons you've learned. I'm guessing it won't include "how to finish a college degree", or "how to abstain from drinking while you're pregnant" or "how to not get pregnant", but I am sure it will include gems like "which tattoo parlors in TN are the best" and "how to best bubblewrap a tshirt" since that appears to be all she's accomplished in her 8 years as an adult. 

Maybe she will mention where to get good take out food and where to get big holes in your ears.

[GreatKazu]

Maci will tell you all about the motorcross races and where you can get a good deal on cases and kegs of beer. 

Her new book should be titled "Lush Life"

[CofCinci]

She'll share which beers are best for morning sickness. 

[Mambo Gladys]

Also how to act like a true southern belle and bitch about every person single person in your life while overstating your own importance in theirs. 

[ChristmasJones]

Will she talk about why she had her very young daughter filmed completely naked going poop on the toilet?

WHY does MTV film shit like that????? WHY do these moms allow it????????

[Maharincess]

On 6/14/2017 at 9:44 PM, CofCinci said:

She'll share which beers are best for morning sickness. 

Its 2 am and I can't sleep. I'm sitting here in bed laughing so hard. 

You win! 

[ReadMeLattice]

I have to say I've lost a lot of respect for Ryan's parents (and what little I had for Mackenzie). I feel bad that their son is an addict, but he's obviously been one for a long time, and they continue to appear on the show-- you can't expect to be on TV and not have your son's extremely obvious addiction brought up. I'm no Maci fan but their getting angry at her for spilling the beans won't make Ryan less of a druggie. 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

I have to say I've lost a lot of respect for Ryan's parents (and what little I had for Mackenzie). I feel bad that their son is an addict, but he's obviously been one for a long time, and they continue to appear on the show-- you can't expect to be on TV and not have your son's extremely obvious addiction brought up. I'm no Maci fan but their getting angry at her for spilling the beans won't make Ryan less of a druggie. 

Have they come out and said they are angry at Maci? Did I miss something?

Edited June 17, 2017 by GreatKazu

[ReadMeLattice]

22 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Have they come out and said they are angry at Maci? Did I miss something?

I mean on the show, the anger over her "controlling" Ryan's (and their, though they have no custodial rights) time with Bentley (which she should), and getting angry over her "saying negative things" to Mackenzie-- honestly, if Ryan was my son, I'd be shocked that the mother of his child allowed him to have any time with him at all and hadn't cut it off completely. They HAVE to know how much of an addict he is, it's clear every time he speaks (and I assume that's really what his fight with his dad last season was about), and he's essentially a deadbeat father. There are a lot of things Maci does wrong, but his parents are major enablers. Major. It's like Jenelle constantly whining over her mom not wanting her to just take off with Jace anytime she likes, calling her unreasonable, etc--bitch, be happy you get any time at all, IMO.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Lm2162

[lexiexx]

I think it's more shocking that maci most likely knew Ryan was a pill popper this whole time but still made a storyline bashing Jen and Larry for being involved and bitching about how Ryan should be doing more on his own with Bentley.   

I agree that Jen and Larry are enablers tho, especially Jen.   Can't wait till they get pissed enough to blow the top off of Maci's binge drinking problems in retaliation for this new storyline   

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

I mean on the show, the anger over her "controlling" Ryan's (and their, though they have no custodial rights) time with Bentley (which she should), and getting angry over her "saying negative things" to Mackenzie-- honestly, if Ryan was my son, I'd be shocked that the mother of his child allowed him to have any time with him at all and hadn't cut it off completely. They HAVE to know how much of an addict he is, it's clear every time he speaks (and I assume that's really what his fight with his dad last season was about), and he's essentially a deadbeat father. There are a lot of things Maci does wrong, but his parents are major enablers. Major. It's like Jenelle constantly whining over her mom not wanting her to just take off with Jace anytime she likes, calling her unreasonable, etc--bitch, be happy you get any time at all, IMO.

Ok. So they have not said anything in real time about being angry at Maci for revealing on camera Ryan's drug issue. They did not say that on the show itself because that was filmed around four months ago.

I can rag on the Edwards, but I have a hard time supporting Maci, who pushed and pushed Ryan to take his son, and even allowed him to drive around with their son knowing Ryan is an addict.  I have to question the supposed more responsible parent in this situation for even allowing visitation to continue, unsupervised at times. It is like Nova being left with Butch. No different.  

Maci is barely now admitting alcohol is a problem with her and Taylor resulting in huge blow up arguments that are happening in front of the kids.  I suppose Maci is not as responsible herself which makes her judging others very hypocritical. She needs to worry about fixing her own issues with alcohol that has also been quite obvious for some years now.

[ReadMeLattice]

3 hours ago, lexiexx said:

I think it's more shocking that maci most likely knew Ryan was a pill popper this whole time but still made a storyline bashing Jen and Larry for being involved and bitching about how Ryan should be doing more on his own with Bentley.   

I agree that Jen and Larry are enablers tho, especially Jen.   Can't wait till they get pissed enough to blow the top off of Maci's binge drinking problems in retaliation for this new storyline   

Yeah, everybody in this situation seems crazy irresponsible. However, Jen and Larry were living with him much of the time and Maci was not, yes? Why was nothing done and why wasn't Maci informed earlier, or has she purposely ignored it too, and if so why does she suddenly care? Why doesn't Mackenzie care at all, seemingly?!

I think it's pretty disgusting of them to continue defending him against Dalis' likely accurate accusations. Jen and Mackenzie especially, Larry at least seems to admit that Ryan is a mess. I wonder if they're just very naive or what. 

Edited June 17, 2017 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

15 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Yeah, everybody in this situation seems crazy irresponsible. However, Jen and Larry were living with him much of the time and Maci was not, yes? Why was nothing done and why wasn't Maci informed earlier, or has she purposely ignored it too, and if so why does she suddenly care? Why doesn't Mackenzie care at all, seemingly?!

I think it's pretty disgusting of them to continue defending him against Dalis' likely accurate accusations. Jen and Mackenzie especially, Larry at least seems to admit that Ryan is a mess. I wonder if they're just very naive or what. 

What could Larry and Jen have done? You can't force an addict into treatment. Ryan is an adult and he has to be the one to seek treatment. You can't force adult children to make choices they don't want to do even if it pertains to their health and well-being. 

Maci suddenly cares because she knows people will call her out on her shit for not keeping Bentley away from Ryan and not ensuring her child's safety. The same way people go after C&T for allowing Nova to be around drug addicts, Maci doesn't want that to happen. Better for her to play it off as if she didn't have a clue. No fingers get pointed at Saint Maci. Then, there is the possibility that someone else mentioned. If Maci had discussed Ryan's drug issues with the Edwards, they may have thrown her own issues with alcohol in her face. On top of that, she'd lose those free babysitting services. Maci can't be without that or else there go her party vacations.  

Clearly, Maci knew for a long time. I have a hard time believing she didn't see the same big-eyed and sluggish behavior that we have been watching for a few years now. 

Jen was and still is an enabler. It is hard to break that kind of mold. She is protective of her child, but it goes beyond normal and healthy. 

[lexiexx]

I have a hard time believing that Maci did not know about the drugs.  Especially if he was in rehab already like Dalis claims.   

Maci ignored it because it was convent to drop of Bentley to his free babysitter grandparents so she could party, and also used it as 'gee why is Ryan a deadbeat boo hoo hoo' storyline for the show.   Topped with the 'Ryan doesn't step up enough and parent on his own so I won't allow them x y and z days that they are asking for.'   Win win.  

I remember on one of the specials where the moms answer questions that Bentley gets teased about his dad.   So Maci goes ahead and films this fuckery?  Nice parenting there.   I hope that nice house and everything else she has gotten with MTV money was worth the humiliation her 8 year old is going to have to live through now that she has stepped up the airing Ryan's dirty laundry game.   

[GreatKazu]

Maci would be throwing a fit if it was Ryan, Jen, or Larry who exposed her drinking issues. 

[Caracoa1]

Once the MTV money train ends and Maci has blown threw her loot...she will be forced to go crawling back to her parents ( who I assume she blew off listening too after she cashed her first MTV paycheck).  

[alexa]

1 hour ago, Caracoa1 said:

Once the MTV money train ends and Maci has blown threw her loot...she will be forced to go crawling back to her parents ( who I assume she blew off listening too after she cashed her first MTV paycheck).  

I don't get the sense that Maci and Taylor will have money issues. They aren't like Amber spending their money on expensive stupid things. The seem fairly laid back in regard to their purchases. 

[ReadMeLattice]

I definitely think it's hypocritical of Maci to an extent, although I'm still confused about what the "friend" informed her about. Was he dealing as well, or just doing harder drugs than she thought? Wasn't he on Oxy before? What's harder than that? Heroin?

Larry and Jen couldn't force Ryan into treatment, no. But *none* of them should have allowed him to be alone with Bentley, ever, or defended him-- they all did, not just Maci. Every single one of those three adults knew damn well he was an addict for years and gave him access to a child. Maci, Larry, and Jen spent a lot of time this season whining about each other and avoiding the real problem. The problem is not that his parents spend too much time with Bentley or that Maci is too controlling. The problem is that Ryan is a severe addict and shouldn't have custody at all. Jen in particular will always fiercely defend him and never see his flaws. Like Tyler's mom. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Lm2162

[lexiexx]

I'm surprised that maci even had to have a mortgage with only 20% down.  Where the hell is all her money?  There's no way that they will keep that house just on their t shirt money when the show is over.   

Edited June 18, 2017 by lexiexx

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

I don't get the sense that Maci and Taylor will have money issues. They aren't like Amber spending their money on expensive stupid things. The seem fairly laid back in regard to their purchases. 

Except Maci didn't pay her taxes one year and found herself owing over $80,000 to the IRS. With the boozing, the partying, traveling, spring break, going to motorcross races, Las Vegas trips, I think she has gone through three vehicles herself, not sure how many Taylor has gone through. She purchased a home with her girlfriends. She has also gotten breast implants and who can forget all of those hideous tattoos. Add in daycare for two children full-time for the week.    

Maci tried to hide her marital problems so, I won't be surprised to hear in the future about them squabbling over money matters. 

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Every single one of those three adults knew damn well he was an addict for years and gave him access to a child.

Only one of them had the legal recourse to do something. Maci failed in that regard. Bentley relies on HIS parents to make the choices for him regarding his care and well-being. Since one parent is unable to do so due to addiction, the matter falls on the other parent.

Edited June 18, 2017 by GreatKazu

[SPLAIN]

@Lm2162 nothing has ever been mentioned about what drugs Ryan has ingested prior, legally or illegally. It is all speculation at this point. 

As for what that friend of Maci's said to her on the phone, that is a moot point. It was a staged scene. Maci already knew what Ryan's problem is. In Maci's own way she enabled Ryan. She is no different than Jen. Maci didn't set out any boundaries and consequences. She never told him if he doesn't get help, she will go to court and sever visitation altogether. She could have demanded drug-testing be part of any visitation. 

Wasn't it pointed out time and time again how the Edwards don't have a say in what happens with Bentley? I remember and it is definitely true, they have no say-so with what happens with Bentley. That falls on Maci, the parent who is in control and has primary custody.

With that pointed out, it falls on Maci's shoulders and she should take the brunt of the blame for granting Ryan time with Bentley throughout the years. The Edwards allowing Ryan to be around Bentley is just an extension of Maci allowing that to happen. Did she ever inform them she didn't want Ryan around Bentley? Did she ever tell them if they allow Bentley around Ryan she will have to cease visits? Did she ever make a threat to go to court? Has Maci ever said any such thing in any interview or on the show? Never. In fact, it is the opposite. She tried and tried to get Ryan to be more involved with Bentley. She made it her main storyline for how many years now? She allowed Jen to take Bentley over to see Ryan on many occasions. When Jen would ask her if it was ok to take Bentley to spend time with Ryan, Maci gave her that permission and then made sure to talk shit about Ryan on camera afterwards. 

 

 

15 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Only one of them had the legal recourse to do something. Maci failed in that regard. Bentley relies on HIS parents to make the choices for him regarding his care and well-being. Since one parent is unable to do so due to addiction, the matter falls on the other parent.

 

Exactly. 

[Tatum]

On 6/17/2017 at 7:56 PM, Lm2162 said:

I definitely think it's hypocritical of Maci to an extent, although I'm still confused about what the "friend" informed her about. Was he dealing as well, or just doing harder drugs than she thought? Wasn't he on Oxy before? What's harder than that? Heroin?

Larry and Jen couldn't force Ryan into treatment, no. But *none* of them should have allowed him to be alone with Bentley, ever, or defended him-- they all did, not just Maci. Every single one of those three adults knew damn well he was an addict for years and gave him access to a child. Maci, Larry, and Jen spent a lot of time this season whining about each other and avoiding the real problem. The problem is not that his parents spend too much time with Bentley or that Maci is too controlling. The problem is that Ryan is a severe addict and shouldn't have custody at all. Jen in particular will always fiercely defend him and never see his flaws. Like Tyler's mom. 

Honest question, because I no longer watch this show- has Ryan been alone with Bentley much in the last few years? The only time I can remember seeing them two together alone was when Ryan picked up Bentley from somewhere and was 15 min late, and then went through a drive thru when Bentley said he just wanted to get home. I think that was last season or maybe the season before. I'd say this was intentional- no one wanted Ryan alone with Bentley- but I think the more logical explanation is Ryan himself avoided all situations where he would be alone with Bentley, out of either convenience or general disinterest.

 

 

On 6/17/2017 at 8:58 PM, lexiexx said:

I'm surprised that maci even had to have a mortgage with only 20% down.  Where the hell is all her money?  There's no way that they will keep that house just on their t shirt money when the show is over.   

I agree. Putting 20% down is better than nothing, but for her income bracket, pretty stupid. I wouldn't necessarily advise buying outright- while nice to not have a mortgage, that's a lot of liquidity to tie up in a non liquid asset, and given their financial insecurity- they never know for sure when they'll be cancelled, and could not find a replacement gig that would come close to their salaries now-it might be a good idea to keep some cash hand,  but certainly putting down 30-40% would not be a bad idea. I bet she has a 30 year mortgage too to keep monthly costs down. @Faul McCartney- does your search say how long the amort is?

 

I don't think Maci will face the financial ruin that awaits Amber, Leah, and Jenelle (possibly also Kailyn and C&T, although at least C&T live somewhat modestly in relation to the others). I mean, Maci and Taylor do have some work history at least, and at least one appreciating (hopefully) asset. Amber has...a stack of cash in her house. Leah and Jenelle both bought property, but neither have any remotely useful work skills (I mean, no medical office is going to hire Jenelle, even with her certification).

[GreatKazu]

35 minutes ago, Tatum said:

Honest question, because I no longer watch this show- has Ryan been alone with Bentley much in the last few years? The only time I can remember seeing them two together alone was when Ryan picked up Bentley from somewhere and was 15 min late, and then went through a drive thru when Bentley said he just wanted to get home. I think that was last season or maybe the season before. I'd say this was intentional- no one wanted Ryan alone with Bentley- but I think the more logical explanation is Ryan himself avoided all situations where he would be alone with Bentley, out of either convenience or general disinterest.

 

As far as the show is concerned, there have not been a lot of scenes where we see just Ryan and Bentley together. That scene you pointed out might be the last time that was shown. Whether those two have spent any time together alone outside of the show, we don't know, but I don't think Ryan has enough interest to want to spend alone time with Bentley, which is what you pointed out in your last sentence. 

Ryan has an addiction. Whether that contributes to his indifference with Bentley, who knows. It will be interesting to see what changes, if any, happen after rehab and post-therapy. I have wondered if Ryan treats Bentley the way he does because of how Larry treated him growing up. 

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Maci, Larry, and Jen spent a lot of time this season whining about each other and avoiding the real problem. The problem is not that his parents spend too much time with Bentley or that Maci is too controlling.

I thought they only complained about the holiday visit. I didn't see a lot of arguing about visitations in general.

Bentley spending time with the Edwards is not a problem nor a symptom of the bigger problem (Ryan's addiction). It is a separate issue that surfaced recently. 

[Tatum]

23 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Ryan has an addiction. Whether that contributes to his indifference with Bentley, who knows. It will be interesting to see what changes, if any, happen after rehab and post-therapy. I have wondered if Ryan treats Bentley the way he does because of how Larry treated him growing up. 

 

Ryan was pretty distant to Bentley when he was a baby, but when Bentley was around 3-4 Ryan seemed a little better. He wasn't ever Gary, Corey, or Jo's level of interest in his child, but more so than now. There were scenes of them playing together (alone) in the yard, and Ryan seemed genuinely distressed over Maci moving away with Bentley (back when she was dating Kyle). I'd like to think it was drugs, but I guess time will tell.

[Faul McCartney]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

I agree. Putting 20% down is better than nothing, but for her income bracket, pretty stupid. I wouldn't necessarily advise buying outright- while nice to not have a mortgage, that's a lot of liquidity to tie up in a non liquid asset, and given their financial insecurity- they never know for sure when they'll be cancelled, and could not find a replacement gig that would come close to their salaries now-it might be a good idea to keep some cash hand,  but certainly putting down 30-40% would not be a bad idea. I bet she has a 30 year mortgage too to keep monthly costs down. @Faul McCartney- does your search say how long the amort is?

 

I don't think Maci will face the financial ruin that awaits Amber, Leah, and Jenelle (possibly also Kailyn and C&T, although at least C&T live somewhat modestly in relation to the others). I mean, Maci and Taylor do have some work history at least, and at least one appreciating (hopefully) asset. Amber has...a stack of cash in her house. Leah and Jenelle both bought property, but neither have any remotely useful work skills (I mean, no medical office is going to hire Jenelle, even with her certification).

Yep, it's a 30 year loan. I definitely would have gone for a 15 year loan if I was in her shoes. Are her parents named Billy and Sharon? There's a Billy and Sharon Bookout that live on the same street as her, I think about a block away. 

I agree that she's less likely to face financial ruin. I know these women are all adults, but you'd think SOMEONE in their lives would counsel them on how to protect themselves and their assets for the future. Like by paying their taxes. HA!

[GreatKazu]

51 minutes ago, Faul McCartney said:

Yep, it's a 30 year loan. I definitely would have gone for a 15 year loan if I was in her shoes. Are her parents named Billy and Sharon? There's a Billy and Sharon Bookout that live on the same street as her, I think about a block away. 

I agree that she's less likely to face financial ruin. I know these women are all adults, but you'd think SOMEONE in their lives would counsel them on how to protect themselves and their assets for the future. Like by paying their taxes. HA!

Taylor did mention her parents live down the street.  

[ReadMeLattice]

7 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

 

I thought they only complained about the holiday visit. I didn't see a lot of arguing about visitations in general.

 

Personally I saw a lot of complaining about Maci's general sense "control" over Bentley, especially from Larry who kept repeating how sick he was of her control of his time. I found those complaints confusing and inappropriate because they are his grandparents, not his other custodial parents, and they must know Ryan is on drugs and thus unfit to be "in control" himself. They have no legal right to time with Bentley and the parent who does is unfit, but because they've regularly covered for his uselessness and Maci has enabled him and wanted their help while she partied, they're in the awkward position of basically being the other guardians when that's not how it's supposed to be. 

I do agree that Maci should have been and should be exerting *more* control, not less; she, like his parents, has enabled him or looked the other way for years, either because she couldn't be bothered, was embarrassed, didn't care enough, simply didn't want to know, I don't know. Ryan's been on drugs for a long time--he shouldn't have had access to them since it was initially an issue, and yes, Maci should have done something about it. Ryan's parents won't be happy if she ever follows through with legal action on that, but it's long, long overdue. Bottom line, I personally don't see any of them as blameless. She had more of a legal ability to do something and is pretty much useless, but Jen and Larry are enablers extraordinaire partly for their own selfish reasons (such as not being embarrassed) and I don't have a lot of sympathy for that when it comes to children.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Lm2162

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Plenty of adult children are addicts. There is not a whole lot anyone, particularly parents, can do about a situation such as theirs. They could have stopped the enabling, that is the only thing they could have done in that situation. Anyone who knows about addiction (me personally) can attest that it is up to the individual with the problem who needs to take action in order to move forward to sobriety. 

I can't comment nor will I agree that Ryan's parents were embarrassed of him. I am sure they tried to get him help. If we are to believe Dalis, and I do believe her, this is Ryan's second time around with rehab. That means someone, most likely his parents, pushed him to get help. 

Until Ryan reaches his rock bottom, going to rehab is almost likely to fail. 

In the end, Maci is the one who should have done something. She also enabled Ryan in her own way. To have gone the legal route would have put an end to her access to her free babysitters who certainly were a lot more than just babysitters to Bentley. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Wasn't Maci complaining last season that Rhine only comes around when the cameras are there? And otherwise she doesn't hear from him for months?

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3 minutes ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Wasn't Maci complaining last season that Rhine only comes around when the cameras are there? And otherwise she doesn't hear from him for months?

It was one of many things she complained about. 

Perhaps Maci was too buzzed to care. 

[mamadrama]

On 6/9/2017 at 0:10 PM, Tatum said:

Well then. I take back my only compliment about Maci that I've ever given. I actually haven't watched the show in quite some time but I would guess she would have been working when she was approved for the mortgage (working other than "tshirt business" and "reality TV star". But she probably got approved for the loan over a year ago.

 

She still could have gotten approved for a mortgage even without the "real" job.  I haven't worked outside of my books for almost 10 years. I receive 1099s from my publishing company but I also do a lot of events that pay me through cash and credit card transactions (read: I have to keep my own records). It's like running a small business or being self-employed. It's more paperwork to get a loan, but it's still possible. Since quitting my job as a therapist to write, I've still been able to buy a permanent home, a vacation home, and two vehicles. It's just a bigger pain in the ass. :-) I have to show my 1099s, two years of tax returns, and have a sizable down payment. 

Edited June 20, 2017 by mamadrama

[Tatum]

6 hours ago, mamadrama said:

She still could have gotten approved for a mortgage even without the "real" job.  I haven't worked outside of my books for almost 10 years. I receive 1099s from my publishing company but I also do a lot of events that pay me through cash and credit card transactions (read: I have to keep my own records). It's like running a small business or being self-employed. It's more paperwork to get a loan, but it's still possible. Since quitting my job as a therapist to write, I've still been able to buy a permanent home, a vacation home, and two vehicles. It's just a bigger pain in the ass. :-) I have to show my 1099s, two years of tax returns, and have a sizable down payment. 

Oh, I didn't mean to say that no one without a traditional full time job could get approved for a mortgage. I just meant I would be surprised any bank or mortgagor would be willing to go 80% on a house purchase when (if) her income is based off the whims of MTV. Now, if a reality TV star had a number of investments that paid somewhat regular dividends, and that income was recurring and they could show solid history of this, I could see that flying, but somehow I don't think these girls have invested in much other than tattoos and poor choices. Maci could show that she had 3+ years of income at $300K annually, but if MTV cancels tomorrow, she's left with no income, and unlikely she can get a comparable salary doing anything else. Had she applied for a mortgage while working at Check to Cash, she could have shown $30K (totally guessing here) that came from her "real" job, that might make her more attractive as an applicant, even though it's a much smaller salary. She can easily get another job like that one. But I don't know what her financial situation was when she applied for a mortgage anyways.

[GreatKazu]

Last night's episode showed us Maci has gotten more tattoos. Her right forearm is now covered with some bullshit saying and a crown, I believe, with some odd design surrounding it. Hideous shit as usual.

[Tatum]

35 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Last night's episode showed us Maci has gotten more tattoos. Her right forearm is now covered with some bullshit saying and a crown, I believe, with some odd design surrounding it. Hideous shit as usual.

These girls are someday going to feel so much regret when they're in their 40s trying to be taken seriously.