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Hearing that they wanted to go back to Stefan/Elena, without any actual reason besides wanting to see if they could and wanting to drag the triangle out to the very end, makes me very glad that Nina left when she did. 

Me too. Did they actually think the stupid triangle was wonderful, everyone wanted to see it dragged out to the end? Because lets no kid ourselves, Stefan and Elena getting back together would in no have meant there wouldn`t have been ample Delena teasing scenes to make sure Elena is flip-flopping all over the place. And they admitted the ending they truly always wanted was Elena human and with NEITHER. 

Can I get a batch of interviews next that reassure me Bamon was supposed to have a chance, just for some reason, it didn`t manifest? 

I think it`s crappy to try and blame Nina for the direction of the show. They created a show that increasingly focused on ships, they created ships in clear opposition to each other so someone was always, always going to be disappointed. Now the Finale aired, written by both of them, and some people ARE disappointed and we`ll get a lot of "oh, actually we wanted to disappoint the other group, not you, it`s all Nina`s fault, bye". After Nina was gracious enough to come back and help close out the story. 

Doesn`t change the show that was and the episode that was. Grow a pair and stand by what you did.

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I think it's a tad unprofessional to come right out the minute the show finished airing the series finale and basically blame the lead actress for them not being able to deliver the story they planned when this show was only ever planned to have a  6 season run. I know things probably changed as the years ticked on by but that isn't Nina's fault, she was entitled to leave just as the others were entitled to stay.

7 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

I think it`s crappy to try and blame Nina for the direction of the show. They created a show that increasingly focused on ships, they created ships in clear opposition to each other so someone was always, always going to be disappointed.

Exactly, and people are disappointed because they (the writers) wrote themselves into a corner that ensured disappointment for some. These post-show interviews just smack of bone-throwing to the disappointed fans from all the varying factions.

7 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Doesn`t change the show that was and the episode that was. Grow a pair and stand by what you did.

Applause.

On 3/11/2017 at 8:17 AM, Lady Calypso said:

They would have had to kill Damon and send him to his own personal afterlife in order for Stelena to get together realistically. 

Well they more or less did this at the end of S5 and then erased Elenas memories in S6 yet they still did not go down the route of rekindling SE. If there ever was an opportunity to circle back to that relationship and keep the triangle in play in was then, especially since they already knew at that point that Nina was going to leave. They even had a fan following for Bamon to smooth things over should Stelena resurface but they ignored that too and went full steam DE so no, I don't think I buy some of what these interviews are trying to sell because it isn't what they put on the screen.

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23 hours ago, Chas411 said:

I  just kind of resent the implication that it was because Nina chose to leave/return for the finale only that they just couldn't make A lot of things happen. By that logic we could blame him for leaving in the first place and allowing Plecs vision to takeover.

I've been thinking about this a lot since reading the finale interviews. Julie Plec rightful deserves a lot/most of the blame for the direction that the show has went, but if Kevin is willing to blame Nina's leaving for storyline decisions, than he does deserve a lot of the blame himself.  A lot of fandom, myself included, have always held Kevin to this high standard because he was a part of the era of the show that we enjoyed the most. He gets all of the praise and little, if any, of the blame. I feel that it has been easy for us to say, "if Kevin was still running the show, then this wouldn't have happened." The truth is though, he did leave the show and I'm pretty sure that he could have had a bigger creative role throughout the seasons, if he had wanted to.

Even when Kevin did have a bigger creative role this season that didn't stop bad storytelling, like Tyler's death and  the characters barely caring about it or the fact that Damon killed him. That didn't stop them from treating Stefan's killing of Enzo as irredeemable and having Stefan call Damon "the better man". 

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Ok, I'm officially done reading post finale interviews. They are mostly just making me annoyed. I thought I should post a few quotes from this one because it was frustrating to read  a lot of the stuff that Kevin said: 

https://www.bustle.com/p/stelena-almost-had-a-happy-ending-on-the-vampire-diaries-says-co-creator-kevin-williamson-43613

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"There was a conversation of getting her back for an entire season," he says. "If we'd had her back for all of the eighth season, we could have worked our way back there [to Stefan and Elena]. And I would have loved to explore that. But we didn't. Her movie schedule didn't permit it. We only had one episode. That was tough. So there was some choice to be made."

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"There was a conversation on the table where Stefan and Caroline [Candice King] were going to leave Mystic Falls and take off together and find special, gifted children and bring them to the school and take care of them," Williamson reveals. "That would be his living amends. But for all the harm and death Stefan has caused, I was like, 'Really?' I don't really see Stefan as being a nun. If Stefan was really going to make things right, he should die for his brother. He should give his brother what his brother really wants, which is a human life and humanity and the woman that he loves."

He pauses, then continues, "If there was any other conversations, we ended on this one. This show was always about Stefan being the hero, and if Stefan could not have Elena, Stefan could do this very nice thing of giving his brother the chance to live with Elena."

Idk, the stuff he says here just rubs me the wrong way. Stefan trying to help innocent, supernatural children learn how to be the best version of themselves, not good enough. Stefan dying so Damon can grow old with Elena, perfect. Kevin just sounds like the bitterest shipper ever. He continues to blame Nina's availability on why his endgame wasn't possible and he literally decided that if Stefan couldn't be with Elena, then there was no happy ending for him besides death.

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10 minutes ago, betweenthebanter said:

he literally decided that if Stefan couldn't be with Elena, then there was no happy ending for him besides death.

Pretty much, it's why Stefan and Caroline "true love" was not believable. Damon couldn't be the one to die because it wouldn't be plausible that Stefan would live his human life with Caroline and not Elena. 

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I had to roll my eyes at Damon's line to Caroline about how they'll probably reopen hell for him. 

Even in Stefans ~heroic (unfair) death he still managed to get in a self pity line about his manpain. 

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Honestly, the more interviews I read, the angrier I get. I didn't think it was possible to be so offended for a character until I read these interviews. Can someone please explain to me how Stefan murdering Enzo is so evil and monstrous that it can only be redeemed through death, while Damon (who has abused/murdered Bonnie, Caroline, Jeremy, Tyler, Matt, Alaric and Elena) deserves to live a happy a human life with Elena. Because I just don't get it.

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I want to jump in here because I'm also annoyed by these KW interviews you all are sharing. I see so many parallels with what he did/is saying here and what he did on Dawson's Creek. With that show, he peaced out after two seasons, then he returned for the finale and somehow wanted Dawson and Joey to end up together despite the seasons long love story between her and Pacey. Here, he started the show the same way with Stefan and Elena in those roles, then he left his own show but came back at the end wanting to push for the original love story despite the fact that she and Damon had been built up (for the record, I am a fan of neither pairing because I am not a fan of Elena as a character, but they'd had Stefan move on with Caroline and Damon pining after Elena for the whole series so ending with Stelena would have been ridiculous). Luckily the other writers in both cases didn't let him have his way, but it just pisses me off that he thinks he can start shows, abandon them, and then come back and stubbornly think the show didn't creatively move on without him and he could still force through his vision whether or not it still makes sense.

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Kevin just sounds like the bitterest shipper ever. He continues to blame Nina's availability on why his endgame wasn't possible and he literally decided that if Stefan couldn't be with Elena, then there was no happy ending for him besides death.

Seriously. I totally get (online) fans being disappointed that their ship wasn`t endgame but I`ve never seen a showrunner/producer be butthurt about it like this. Why? Because they have the power to write the story however they want. If this was so incredibly important to Williamson, he needed to stay with the show. Did Nina Dobrev make him leave? No? Then shut up, Kevin.

To kill off Stefan as basically a sour grapes move because he couldn`t have Elena is ludicrous. As if Stefan as a character only had worth within Stelena. Helping out with the school and living a happy life with Caroline wouldn`t have been worthless. They wanted to make him the hero, that`s fine, Bonnie was as well so obviously the hero can be rewarded with some happiness afterwards. And I don`t mean peace in death only. They could have kept this afterlife Defan ending intact, either with Damon dying, with both dying or with neither dying right away. 

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Luckily the other writers in both cases didn't let him have his way, but it just pisses me off that he thinks he can start shows, abandon them, and then come back and stubbornly think the show didn't creatively move on without him and he could still force through his vision whether or not it still makes sense.

If anything, the Series Finale of "How I met your mother" should serve as a cautionary tale to any showrunner sutbbornly pinning down an ending that ignores years of your show because you didn`t think it would run this long.

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That was unprofessional of Williamson. Nina left as was her right -- however the show & fans felt about it -- and the network/show chose to go forward without her. Nina was not obligated to come back for the finale or any other episode, let alone a season. What Williamson thinks he would have done if Nina made a larger commitment should never have left his mouth. All he or anyone with the show should do publicly/in the street is thank Nina IMO. It is what it is :-) and to tease Stefan & Elena fans that way & shift blame for any backlash coming his & Plec's way is not cool. It's the way they did things for 8 years -- Plec riding solo after two years with Williamson swooping in for the swan song -- that was bound to leave a section of the fan base very unhappy. Not for nothing, can you imagine the Damon & Elena fan base (of which I cop to being part of so pleased with the ending to a large degree) right now if it went the other way or even more folks if Elena wound up with neither brother? Stefan and Elena fans & Damon & Elena fans up in arms right now. When you market a show on a triangle, you reap what you sow.

It was great of Nina to return for the finale for the fans who loved her and in recognition of what TVD did for her. It certainly did help her as it did the whole rest of the gang who received eight years of TV money. No one had to go, not Nina, not Williamson, & for those who may have been itchy to move on, no one had to stay. Here's to the high road in articles from now on.

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On 3/11/2017 at 7:09 AM, FiveByFive said:

Today a couple of articles dropped in the Hollywood Reporter on the series finale and future of one of the characters.

'The Vampire Diaries' Could Get a Second Spinoff

'The Vampire Diaries' Boss Explains Finale Deaths, Callbacks and Scrapped Ending

 

Of course the show would tease me with the possibility of Batt one last time and still give me nothing on that front. 

 

Does anyone know if Nina & Kat had a falling out? I noticed Nina posted IG pics of her with all of the main cast after the finale except Kat and Matt Davis. 

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I don't read KW's comments as sour grapes or like he made writing choices out of spite, but I do think those sound like very bad and dumb ideas, and bad writing instincts in general.

For the six seasons I watched the show, I shipped both SE/DE for 2.5 seasons, and then just SE for the next 2, and then neither for the next 1.5. So speaking as someone who has some understanding for KW's feelings about SE, I can say that I don't get what he wanted to accomplish here. Reuniting SE in S8 would have been absurd, but saying he had to kill Stefan because he couldn't reunite them? As some sort of final act of giving Elena to Damon? Whaaaa? 

Even when I shipped DE or SE, I always thought (and hoped) the show would end with Elena surviving alone (and human again) while both brothers died. And I still think that would have been the most poetic and satisfying ending. I don't think it's fitting or satisfying that Stefan should be the only one to sacrifice/pay (and I sure don't think he needed to in order to "give" Damon and Elena their happy ending). If anything, from your typical tragic hero arc perspective, that should have been Damon, as the character who "sinned" the most with least remorse or active penance throughout the series. It would have been his final act, the payment that makes up for the rest of it, that allows him to finally be the better man the show always wanted him to be.

Did Stefan deserve to make that payment as well? Yes, he's also a tragic hero. It was very in-character for him to do exactly what he did, and as I said, I think that's a satisfying ending for him. I just think it weakens their story--and Damon's character/arc, specifically--to let Stefan--the one whose entire character was built around his remorse and his desire to be better--be the only one who sacrifices/pays, while Damon, who only occasionally put forth the effort to be better, just skates away. Stefan ends up the hero who paid a fitting price for his weaknesses and crimes, while Damon paid nothing and got everything. And I'm not a Damon hater. I definitely did hate him at certain points throughout the series, and did really hate what DE did to both characters (and the show) in S4 and 5 in particular (I actually had little problem with them in S6). But in general, what I hated was the way the writers chose to only haphazardly allow him to grow, which includes the way they seemed reluctant to give him real consequences for his actions (that weren't actually worse consequences for other people). It would have gone a long way for me if they'd allowed him to pay this final price. Especially because the afterlife basically guaranteed that DE would be reunited, so it would have been fittingly tragic but not a crushing ending for them, IMO.

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3 minutes ago, Carrie Ann said:

Even when I shipped DE or SE, I always thought (and hoped) the show would end with Elena surviving alone (and human again) while both brothers died. And I still think that would have been the most poetic and satisfying ending. I don't think it's fitting or satisfying that Stefan should be the only one to sacrifice/pay (and I sure don't think he needed to in order to "give" Damon and Elena their happy ending). If anything, from your typical tragic hero arc perspective, that should have been Damon, as the character who "sinned" the most with least remorse or active penance throughout the series. It would have been his final act, the payment that makes up for the rest of it, that allows him to finally be the better man the show always wanted him to be.

Agreed. Why couldn't they go with Elena starting her own life independent of the Salvatore brothers while both died at the end? I remember reading that it had been an option, and I do know Ian and Paul both said their happy endings for the series was both brothers dying at the end, but together. 

KW left the show a long time ago. He's so out of touch with what's been going on that his dream ending would have never worked. SE was dead a long time ago, at least by the end of season 5. Once Elena gave no shits about a dead Stefan and wanting to kill herself with Damon while knowing her brother might be alone if Bonnie couldn't bring them back, that ended all possibility of that pairing ever getting back together and having people enjoy them together. So as much as I do enjoy KW's storytelling and I do kind of agree with his points, he's not really part of the show anymore; Plec led the show way down another path that is totally opposite from what KW wants, so his opinion, in the end, is void. 

And yeah, his comment about Stefan needing to die for Delena was stupid as hell. If Stefan can't have Elena, he has to die? That's not a reason for the ending, KW. 

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18 minutes ago, Couver said:

Does anyone know if Nina & Kat had a falling out? I noticed Nina posted IG pics of her with all of the main cast after the finale except Kat and Matt Davis. 

Well she posted videos of goofing around pranking Matt Davis so don't think there's issues there.

i don't think there's a feud or anything but I definetly think there was a distance between her, Candice and Kat before she left in season six. I think time healed that as they seemed closer on her return. Also, Kat tegards Somerhalder as one of her closest friends so given her relationship with him probably isn't the best (fake insta posts aside) maybe they just aren't as close as a result of that.

 

im completely speculating though.

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The falling out happened at Nian';s break up.Kat took Ian's side instead of supporting them both without taking sides.Especially since neither one of them was wrong.Ian was right to want at 34 to start a family and Nina was right to not want to settle down so young and to not force herself into something she wasn't ready for.And that's what Nina's tweet about backstabbing friends was about, not about Nikki.

37 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Agreed. Why couldn't they go with Elena starting her own life independent of the Salvatore brothers while both died at the end? I remember reading that it had been an option, and I do know Ian and Paul both said their happy endings for the series was both brothers dying at the end, but together. 

KW left the show a long time ago. He's so out of touch with what's been going on that his dream ending would have never worked. SE was dead a long time ago, at least by the end of season 5. Once Elena gave no shits about a dead Stefan and wanting to kill herself with Damon while knowing her brother might be alone if Bonnie couldn't bring them back, that ended all possibility of that pairing ever getting back together and having people enjoy them together. So as much as I do enjoy KW's storytelling and I do kind of agree with his points, he's not really part of the show anymore; Plec led the show way down another path that is totally opposite from what KW wants, so his opinion, in the end, is void. 

And yeah, his comment about Stefan needing to die for Delena was stupid as hell. If Stefan can't have Elena, he has to die? That's not a reason for the ending, KW. 

That's the ending I wanted:Elerna moving on from both brothers starting a new life e;lsewhere

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8 hours ago, ComeWhatMay said:

 

That was unprofessional of Williamson. Nina left as was her right

 

And he left too, he never should have left in the first place then he'd be able to tell the story he wanted.

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2 minutes ago, Artsda said:

And he left too, he never should have left in the first place then he'd be able to tell the story he wanted.

Agreed. Had Williamson stayed or at least stayed engaged in a real way with what Plec was doing, he would have had a voice & hand in the last six years & perhaps a Stefan & Elena reunion would not be so hard for me to fathom narratively. This became Plec's show -- Williamson all but deeded it to her until the end & then apparently wanted an ending that didn't make sense anymore. Whatever I may have thought of Plec over the years, I am glad Williamson didn't bogart her. FWIW, I was a Dawson & Joey fan, I know, I know, but I knew it didn't work narratively. Probably not the person to comment as I was/am a Damon & Elena fan so I am glad about the outcome we had, but with Plec out there telling fans [paraphrasing] to use fanfics to name Damon & Elena's kids, Williamson should just keep his mouth shut about what he would have done. Like Carole King would sing, "It's too late, Baby."

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For me Stelena was still a possibility until she fell for Damon all over agfain despite of her memory loss about him, and when she chose him after taking the cure.Before that, the triangle was still very much alive.In other words the triangle died in season 6

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19 hours ago, Artsda said:

And he left too, he never should have left in the first place then he'd be able to tell the story he wanted.

This reminds me of the issue with Gilmore Girls.  The show runners got pissy about only getting one more year after their season 6 and left.  So season 7 was written by someone else.  When the original creators wrote the most recent continuation, they basically admitted that 1) they were writing the 8th season they'd always envisioned (ignoring the fact that it made little sense for characters that were now 10 years older) and 2) did their best to ignore the events of the 7th season.  If they wanted that story, they should have stayed.

At least Kevin Williamson didn't try to cram the now square Delena peg into his original round Stelena story. But really, bitching about what he couldn't write because he left is just lame, more so that he blamed someone else choosing to leave. 

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On 3/13/2017 at 11:20 AM, Chas411 said:

Well she posted videos of goofing around pranking Matt Davis so don't think there's issues there.

i don't think there's a feud or anything but I definetly think there was a distance between her, Candice and Kat before she left in season six. I think time healed that as they seemed closer on her return. Also, Kat tegards Somerhalder as one of her closest friends so given her relationship with him probably isn't the best (fake insta posts aside) maybe they just aren't as close as a result of that.

 

im completely speculating though.

I assumed it was something like this as well. Though apparently it could be more serious. Whatever the case I like that both are professional enough not to let it hurt their work. Elena/Bonnie scenes have always been pretty strong and I though the reunion in the finale was one of the stronger scenes in the entire episode. 

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Yea, I've noticed that the two of them are very prone to waxing poetic in long paragraphs on instagram. Guess they're made for each other.

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They're just both very pretentious. The type of celebrities who try to seem so deep and introspective and instead are just annoying and pretentious. Ian on his own was bad but with Nikki, it's just insufferable. But all that said, congratulations to them on their new baby.

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9 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

They're just both very pretentious. The type of celebrities who try to seem so deep and introspective and instead are just annoying and pretentious. 

Ha, that describes them perfectly. In other words, they never outgrew that stoned freshman pontificating at 2am phase. 

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3 hours ago, Chas411 said:

Hahaha, it felt more like a week, not a month.

The baby was born on July 25 so it definitely wasn't a full 30 days! I just checked his IG account and that's the sixth thing he's posted since July 25 so yeaaaaah. She has posted seven things since the baby was born (including a picture of Ian watching the eclipse yesterday). The fact that his post today said, "You'll read this when you wake up," just goes to show that they are still on social media. I mean, I am too but I'm not the one who said I was turning off my phone and not having any visitors for a month. I'm trying to imagine how their parents and siblings reacted to being told they couldn't come see the baby for the first month.

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6 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I'm trying to imagine how their parents and siblings reacted to being told they couldn't come see the baby for the first month.

They probably realised pretty quickly it was just another self indulgent idea that wasn't going to be seen through.

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No, seriously. What happened to the month of silence?

And this is when you have to just roll your eyes at some of these celebrities. If these two pretentious idiots had just had their baby without any of these ridiculous declarations, it'd be fine. But no, they had to make this whole grand announcement of how they would take time to just enjoy their baby and each other without the outside world, knowing full well they're too narcissistic to go without some type of attention for a month. So now they just look really foolish.

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ITA - if they had just NOT said they were taking a monthlong break, people would have been fine with fewer posts knowing that they just had a kid. But making that statement and then not following through with it just makes them look like attention whores who couldn't go a whole month without seeking validation. 

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I was just talking about the Roswell reboot with my friend yesterday. Tyler Blackburn has also been cast on Roswell too so I was trying to guess who else they will have from any other shows I used to watch! Answer: Jeanine Mason (SYTYCD/Bunheads), Nathan Parsons (The Originals - I absolutely cannot stand his voice so I don’t know if I can watch this show knowing that he will have a lot more lines than Jackson did), and some actors I’m not familiar with (one of whom guest started on TVD in one episode).

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cws-roswell-reboot-rounds-cast-nathan-parsons-tyler-blackburn-1092107

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Yeah I'm happy for Trevino also but i wish there were more original ideas out there then just remaking everything that's already been done.

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