Season 20: Live Feed Discussion

[gunderda]

I'm not sure I like the Scottie he has become this week.  And I can think is - this dumb ass is making himself a giant target next week.  He's acting like a giddy 16 year old girl when he has drama to tell his group and I'm not even sure they are his group, they are just the ones that didn't screw him over week one and they've leeches themselves onto him while he's HOH.

Edited July 16, 2018 by gunderda

[Lady Calypso]

7 minutes ago, gunderda said:

I'm not sure I like the Scottie he has become this week.  And I can think is - this dumb ass is making himself a giant target next week.  He's acting like a giddy 16 year old girl when he has drama to tell his group and I'm not even sure they are his group, they are just the ones that didn't screw him over week one and they've leeches themselves onto him while he's HOH.

 

I had to sleep on it, but I think I agree with this. Scottie has become quite cocky this week as HOH. He's really getting HOHitis. It's real sad that he thrived off of the drama. He got more excited than Kaitlyn at the fight, and he jumped right in to interject with the fight as well. Him and Rockstar both showed their true colours for me with this. They certainly manipulated Kaitlyn into doing their dirty work with confronting Brett, and she doesn't even realize it (even with Tyler pointing it out). 

But yeah, Scottie has no idea that only Sam and Tyler actually give a shit about him and he's a liability. He's not lasting long, and I think he has a very good chance of going pre-jury. 

Also, last night just solidified my opinion that I simply don't like Rockstar. I think her instigating Kaitlyn into a fight just showed that she's a bitchy mean girl and she has the potential to become a bully down the line. I don't know if she'll get that far, but she has the potential.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Lady Calypso

[Nashville]

7 minutes ago, RagePaige said:

Brett's comment that talking to Kaitlyn is like "Fighting with a girlfriend that you haven't had sex with yet" was such a good description of this.  Nearly died when he said that

Echo THAT.  Pure gold.  Before the fight and the aftermath I didn’t really give a shit about either of the Bros, but now I really want Brett to stay around - for a while, at least.

[Sandycat]

So, nobody has ever brought up to Scottie that Kaitlyn voted to evict Steve? Does he know? I couldn’t keep up with who told who what yesterday!

[Lady Calypso]

It's funny because I actually don't hate Winston, because of how self aware and self-deprecating he is. He's stated that he knows he's going because people like Brett more, and when Rachel basically told him straight up that he was probably going, he didn't get upset over it. 

Winston/Rachel had a nice moment last night on the hammock. Both don't seem to be liked in the house all that much. Rachel and Winston have both been shit on by others multiple times, even if it's more in a joking way for Rachel. It was just nice to see them get along. Yeah, Winston can be a righteous asshole, but I don't think that's all he is. He, at least, is aware of his flaws. Maybe that's why I don't hate him (though I'm perfectly ok if he gets evicted on Thursday). 

And that's likely why I can't stand Rockstar; she shit talks everyone behind their backs, plays nice to their faces, and doesn't own what she says. 

Actually, she's the only one I can't stand. Everyone else is cool with me, even Scottie (though he's getting on my nerves too).

[Nashville]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

But yeah, Scottie has no idea that only Sam and Tyler actually give a shit about him and he's a liability. He's not lasting long, and I think he has a very good chance of going pre-jury. 

Yeah, I think Scottie winning HoH at this juncture may have actually been the death knell to his own game.  Scottie was pretty much flying UTR before this HoH, with few folks taking issue with his game other than some vague vote-flipping suspicions; now, he’s put a target on his own back which is roughly the size of a barn.  Prior to this I was certain Scottie would make it to Jury; now I highly doubt it.

 

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Also, last night just solidified my opinion that I simply don't like Rockstar. I think her instigating Kaitlyn into a fight just showed that she's a bitchy mean girl and she has the potential to become a bully down the line. I don't know if she'll get that far, but she has the potential.

I can’t hardly watch the TV any more when Pinky’s in the shot; she gets uglier every time I see her - and it has nothing to do with her looks.  :(

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, Sandycat said:

So, nobody has ever brought up to Scottie that Kaitlyn voted to evict Steve? Does he know? I couldn’t keep up with who told who what yesterday!

For some reason, nobody has told him who actually flipped. He doesn't know for sure, but I also don't know if he even suspects it was Kaitlyn. Brinston threw Kaitlyn under the bus, but not for the hinky vote. If they did, I guarantee Scottie would backdoor her.

[xKHANx]

I let my sub expire so I'll be coming here to get updates.

I just could not take Kaitlyn(sp) saying "Like", "Literally", or her fucking prolonged enunciation of words. It reminds me of Marissaaaaaaaa from CBB and how she did the same thing.

"Like, literally, like Americaaaaaa freaked out like about my back door on like Swaggaaaayyyy.

I just don't understand TPTB and why they insist on putting this absolute moron on the live feeds constantly.

I will re-sub when i find out she is gone, but until then...

[Cutty]

Scottie was already a target of Level 6. He was basically number 2 in line behind Rockstar from that side of the house. 

[Slider]

4 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's funny because I actually don't hate Winston because of how self aware and self-deprecating he is. He's stated that he knows he's going because people like Brett more, and when Rachel basically told him straight up that he was probably going, he didn't get upset over it. 

Winston/Rachel had a nice moment last night on the hammock. Both don't seem to be liked in the house all that much. Rachel and Winston have both been shit on by others multiple times, even if it's more in a joking way for Rachel. It was just nice to see them get along. Yeah, Winston can be a righteous asshole, but I don't think that's all he is. He, at least, is aware of his flaws. Maybe that's why I don't hate him (though I'm perfectly ok if he gets evicted on Thursday). 

And that's likely why I can't stand Rockstar; she shit talks everyone behind their backs, plays nice to their faces, and doesn't own what she says. 

Actually, she's the only one I can't stand. Everyone else is cool with me, even Scottie (though he's getting on my nerves too).

Can I cosign this?!  This explains EXACTLY how I've been feeling about this whole week.  But sadly, it's also not very entertaining.  I'm about to peace out for two weeks on vacation, and while I'm usually gone earlier in the summer it just worked out that I would miss out on BB.  Initially I was sad, but right now I don't really care.  Other than who the next HOH is, it's all way too predictable, and I'm not going to miss it.  See you guys when Jury starts!

[Sandycat]

4 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

For some reason, nobody has told him who actually flipped. He doesn't know for sure, but I also don't know if he even suspects it was Kaitlyn. Brinston threw Kaitlyn under the bus, but not for the hinky vote. If they did, I guarantee Scottie would backdoor her.

I kept waiting for either Brett or Winston to tell him, but they didn’t. Is that because of loyalty to Tyler? Sam didn’t say anything either.

[Nashville]

3 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

For some reason, nobody has told him who actually flipped. He doesn't know for sure, but I also don't know if he even suspects it was Kaitlyn. Brinston threw Kaitlyn under the bus, but not for the hinky vote. If they did, I guarantee Scottie would backdoor her.

Personally, I doubt it at this juncture.  

If Scottie had known of K’s flip prior to winning HoH...?  Maybe - probably, even.  But not now - Scottie has the Bros in his sights, and I don’t seem him flinching from that.

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Cutty said:

Scottie was already a target of Level 6. He was basically number 2 in line behind Rockstar from that side of the house. 

Yeah, Scottie was already the #1 target for the L6 side. I think, before Scottie won HOH, Brinston were even considering targeting him over Rockstar. It's just that this gives them the reason to go after him, now (and Scottie simply beat them to it).

Just now, Nashville said:

Personally, I doubt it at this juncture.  

If Scottie had known of K’s flip prior to winning HoH...?  Maybe - probably, even.  But not now - Scottie has the Bros in his sights, and I don’t seem him flinching from that.

If Scottie had been told during their secret meeting, I think it could have worked. But yeah, now it's simply way too late. He'll just wait now to go after Kaitlyn. 

[Cutty]

The only thing Scottie has going for him is Kaitlyn's antics and all these powers in play. That could allow him to get further than he normally would.

Assuming another 9 person jury, there's only going to be 5 pre-jury boots, which means only one two more after one of Brinston goes.

edited: math

Edited July 16, 2018 by Cutty

[missyb]

1 hour ago, RagePaige said:

And I don't think there is any chance that Sam uses her power unless Brett is the one leaving.  Even then its still super unlikely.  Especially with the DR making her so paranoid as was shown last night when she had these weird one on ones

I think there may be a chance. We almost have the perfect storm here.  In a game about numbers, L6 seems to have lost Kaitlin ( as a number). She is too much of a wildcard to be depended on for a vote. That number has now gone to the other side. She will be wary of Tyler. She said last night she realized that as close as the are, he could do this to her too ( he wasn't comforting enough). So, The use of the power is anonymous ( i think). After the vote is read, BB can use "the power is in play" , and both are saved and everyone will think it was Brett.  And L6 keeps their numbers.

I am not sure if the power is anonymous  or not. Sam may have to get up and say it but I think production needs to know so they can set up the task that must be completed.

[Cutty]

1 minute ago, missyb said:

After the vote is read, BB can use "the power is in play" , and both are saved and everyone will think it was Brett.  And L6 keeps their numbers.

The power is the person who is evicted has a chance to get back in the game. It doesn't just null the eviction. We don't even really know if that means they get that chance immediately or not. 

Part of me is starting to wonder if the evicted HG just gets to chill in a hotel room until the jury buyback happens in 3 weeks.

I don't think Tyler will have Sam use the power to save Winston. He wants her to keep it in case something happens next week.

[Lady Calypso]

7 minutes ago, missyb said:

I think there may be a chance. We almost have the perfect storm here.  In a game about numbers, L6 seems to have lost Kaitlin ( as a number). She is too much of a wildcard to be depended on for a vote. That number has now gone to the other side. She will be wary of Tyler. She said last night she realized that as close as the are, he could do this to her too ( he wasn't comforting enough). So, The use of the power is anonymous ( i think). After the vote is read, BB can use "the power is in play" , and both are saved and everyone will think it was Brett.  And L6 keeps their numbers.

I am not sure if the power is anonymous  or not. Sam may have to get up and say it but I think production needs to know so they can set up the task that must be completed.

Sam has to get up and say it this week, but she doesn't need to next week. 

The episode leaves enough time where, if Sam decided to use it spontaneously this Thursday on Winston, they would have it set up and ready to go. 

3 minutes ago, Cutty said:

The power is the person who is evicted has a chance to get back in the game. It doesn't just null the eviction. We don't even really know if that means they get that chance immediately or not. 

Part of me is starting to wonder if the evicted HG just gets to chill in a hotel room until the jury buyback happens in 3 weeks.

It's immediate. The challenge is in the BB App Store room. They accidentally leaked it right after Steve's eviction (a shot of the BB App Store room), and Julie stated that the evicted player would go "upstairs" and then, if successful, would "go back down to rejoin the other houseguests".

[Nashville]

8 minutes ago, missyb said:

In a game about numbers, L6 seems to have lost Kaitlin ( as a number). She is too much of a wildcard to be depended on for a vote. That number has now gone to the other side. She will be wary of Tyler. She said last night she realized that as close as the are, he could do this to her too ( he wasn't comforting enough).

C’mon now.  Kaitlyn said that on a Sunday - think she’ll maintain that train of thought uninterrupted until Thursday?  Hell, Special K makes Dory the goldfish look adamantine.

[Cutty]

12 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's immediate. The challenge is in the BB App Store room. They accidentally leaked it right after Steve's eviction (a shot of the BB App Store room), and Julie stated that the evicted player would go "upstairs" and then, if successful, would "go back down to rejoin the other houseguests".

OK. I missed that part. That could be awkward as hell to watch. 

Going back to Sam's power, I don't think I've heard Tyler intimate that she should use it this week. It always comes back to "what if you or I are on the block next week?" The DR is pushing hard for her to use it though, and Sam isn't the brightest crayon in the box. Still a long way off from Thursday.

[Lady Calypso]

10 minutes ago, Cutty said:

OK. I missed that part. That could be awkward as hell to watch. 

Going back to Sam's power, I don't think I've heard Tyler intimate that she should use it this week. It always comes back to "what if you or I are on the block next week?" The DR is pushing hard for her to use it though, and Sam isn't the brightest crayon in the box. Still a long way off from Thursday.

There's pros and cons to using it this week vs next week, for sure.

This Week:

Pros

• Sam has the control on who she uses it on
• If she uses it on Brett, S6 get blindsided for a third week; if she uses it on Winston, S6 still get blindsided
• L6 would have the numbers next week to win HOH and ensure their side stays safe for the following week
• Brinston would be indebted to her and would likely protect her and trust her more
• The other side couldn't care less about Sam anyway, so why risk having it used on someone like Rockstar, who has already bitched about Sam behind her back?

Cons

• Sam or Tyler (or someone else on their side) might need it next week
• Tyler and Kaitlyn are in danger of getting evicted next week, especially with Bayleigh's power in play
• She trusts Scottie so she probably doesn't want to negate his HOH

Next Week

Pros

• Again, Sam might actually need it 
• She also doesn't need to reveal that she has that power since it's automatically used and she can just stay sitting when it's used
• Most of the houseguests think her power is already expired last week, so it would be a complete shock to see it being used this week, leading to possible speculation of someone else having the power instead of her
• If an L6 member wins HOH and Bayleigh happens to use her own power for noms, Sam's power would likely cancel out the eviction
• Sam also doesn't have any big enemies so anyone coming back in would probably be fine for her game. I can't see her power causing a big stir in her game

Cons

• She has zero control of who it's used on, so it could be used on an actual big target that comes back in the game
• People already know some of Sam's power, to varying degrees, so it's likely they would know it was her power that was used, so she wouldn't necessarily be protected
• Sam's allies might also be upset if an S6 member comes back in the game when it could have been used on Brinston

Those are the points I could think of on the top of my head, though I'm sure more could be added to any of them.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Lady Calypso

[missyb]

37 minutes ago, Cutty said:

OK. I missed that part. That could be awkward as hell to watch. 

Going back to Sam's power, I don't think I've heard Tyler intimate that she should use it this week. It always comes back to "what if you or I are on the block next week?" The DR is pushing hard for her to use it though, and Sam isn't the brightest crayon in the box. Still a long way off from Thursday.

This was captured by jokers last night. Why I thought it may be a possibility:

Tyler says to Brett "maybe some crazy sh*t will happen and you and Winston will both stay" NT

 

Very thorough Lady ! Good job.

Edited July 16, 2018 by missyb

[Lady Calypso]

2 minutes ago, missyb said:

Very thorough Lady ! Good job.

Thanks! I have been thinking about the pros and cons for a few days, and I still feel like it's better to be used this week instead of next. Like I've said before, it's a risk either way, but Sam seems to want to be in control and too many people know about her power to fly under the radar next week. The downside is Sam doesn't know practically the entire house knows she has the power, so not using it this week doesn't protect her for next week.

[Nashville]

39 minutes ago, Cutty said:

Going back to Sam's power, I don't think I've heard Tyler intimate that she should use it this week. It always comes back to "what if you or I are on the block next week?" The DR is pushing hard for her to use it though, and Sam isn't the brightest crayon in the box. Still a long way off from Thursday.

From Tyler’s point of view, I could see this working either way:

• If both Bros are saved, then his primary alliance numbers remain strong.
• if one Bro goes, it increases the remaining Bro’s dependence upon Tyler and the alliance to go forward in the game.

[vb68]

1 hour ago, missyb said:

I think there may be a chance. We almost have the perfect storm here.  In a game about numbers, L6 seems to have lost Kaitlin

Plus, like somebody said last night, it's starting to sound like Sam wants the credit for using it and to pad her resume. And that's certainly understandable, too. 

1 hour ago, gunderda said:

I'm not sure I like the Scottie he has become this week. 

To paraphrase the football commercial, Scottie is exactly who I thought he was.

[Cutty]

5 minutes ago, Nashville said:

From Tyler’s point of view, I could see this working either way:

• If both Bros are saved, then his primary alliance numbers remain strong.
• if one Bro goes, it increases the remaining Bro’s dependence upon Tyler and the alliance to go forward in the game.

Tyler has plenty of numbers. Frankly, he's entering Paul territory where he has too many numbers and you're looking at betraying a lot of the jury when it comes down to it. 

I think the best move for him would be cutting Winston loose now and just riding out next week. 

I don't think the game for the evicted HG to get back in will be all that difficult but it's still not a sure thing. I think if the power was just a complete reset of the week I might play it differently. But there's a chance (albeit small) that the evicted doesn't get back in the game.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Cutty

[Nashville]

IMHO whether or not Sam should use her Power this week vs. next comes down to what Sam (and yeah, sure, Tyler) think is the answer to this question: how good are the chances for L6 to take the next HoH comp?

If the next HoH comp is primarily physical, L6 has a clear and dominating advantage over what’s left of Farty.

[vb68]

Honestly, it probably behooves Tyler to play it loose , and let Sam decide when and how she wants to use HER power. 

[Nashville]

4 minutes ago, vb68 said:

Honestly, it probably behooves Tyler to play it loose , and let Sam decide when and how she wants to use HER power. 

Agreed.  That was kind of my point earlier; no matter which way Sam ends up swinging on her Power’s use, Tyler is in a position to make either outcome work to his advantage.

[Lady Calypso]

[Nashville]

Damn, this boy is good.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Nashville
Dohhhh...!!!

[vb68]

I was thinking it's so funny he's so good at playing dumb because when you really watch him you can see his intelligence coming through his eyes.

[missyb]

There is a great thread in this gals twitter feed that goes over the story, with clips, of last nights Kait show.

@robbedjanelle

[HighHopes]

Tyler really was a real-life example of that Homer Simspon gif!!

I really wish the show would show Tyler telling L6 (plus pretty much the rest of the house) about Sam's power. It really changes what's happening and those viewers that don't know about it have a completely different idea about what's happening on the show. I can't get the feeds (Canadian) so I follow updates on here/elsewhere, but I assume this is par for the course for this show, but man it bugs to see people on social media not aware that pretty much everyone now knows.

I really want to like Sam, but her weird break down(s) are just...weird. That and her comment about "I like guys more than girls for friends" turned me off, because I always hate when girls say that because I don't actually understand it. Girls aren't hard to get along with IMO, and if you think so it's probably you that's doing something. I do think that her two weeks as a robot (which was pretty much solitary confinement for her) really messed with her head. Being essentially locked in a room, controlling a robot via computer and not truly able to actually interact with anyone for hours when it's a game that is based on interacting with others and making connections is a shitty punishment for the show to do, especially for two fill weeks. 

[missyb]

3 minutes ago, HighHopes said:

I really wish the show would show Tyler telling L6 (plus pretty much the rest of the house) about Sam's power. It really changes what's happening and those viewers that don't know about it have a completely different idea about what's happening on the show. I can't get the feeds (Canadian) so I follow updates on here/elsewhere, but I assume

It seems as though the alliance has completely forgotten that Tyler was the source of all these evetns. He convince the alliance to save Sam and told them about her power. Now, none are talking about Sam's power or that Tyler talked them into evicting Steve and Kait thnks that it was Brett that got her to BD Swaggy. WTF ?? 

That is extraordinary mist and the value of fading into the backround.

I have been watching back those clips from last night and it is crazy how in tune Kait was to who came outside to check on her. Her entire focus is and has always been on  "what about me?". She complains that Rachel hasn't said anything like, ya doing okay. RS suggests she may not know and will later. 

I get the game is about self preservation but I have rarely seen a more self absorbed HG as Kaitlin, who at the same time professes her sensitivity and intuition about others. She should be detected they all think she is bat shit crazy.  I know Raven, Victoria, many others were obsessed with their looks and how they appeared on TV but this trumps all !!

[zorak]

Kaitlyn is telling Rockstar she flipped the vote on Steve.

She's also explaining how this came to be.

[Jeanne222]

I wonder how long it will be until they decide to get rid of some of the girls?  Can't have them forming  a group and outing the remaining men.  Hummm.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, zorak said:

Kaitlyn is telling Rockstar she flipped the vote on Steve.

She's also explaining how this came to be.

She never knows when to shut up, does she?

[missyb]

Uh oh! She says she feels "some type of way" about Tyler right now. She is telling them that although it was her own decision, if it were not for Tyler and JC she could not have gone through with it. She was thinking about it all night and now, she feels TYler steered everything ( and JC).

[zorak]

She's also sort of bashing Tyler right now.  She says she's trusted him and it always leads to shitty situations.  Kaitlyn also wanted to know how Rockstar already knew that Kaitlyn flipped the vote.  She says she just knew.  

She says she's disgusted with Tyler because he wasn't comforting her last night.  She says if Rockstar wins HOH and wants to put him up, she doesn't even care.

[Lady Calypso]

2 minutes ago, zorak said:

She's also sort of bashing Tyler right now.  She says she's trusted him and it always leads to shitty situations.  Kaitlyn also wanted to know how Rockstar already knew that Kaitlyn flipped the vote.  She says she just knew.  

She says she's disgusted with Tyler because he wasn't comforting her last night.  She says if Rockstar wins HOH and wants to put him up, she doesn't even care.

Like I said, girl's bad for everyone's game. You don't comfort her enough, you become her target.

Tyler's biggest success and mistake will forever be aligning with Kaitlyn to flip the week 1 vote.

[zorak]

She says she wants to talk to Sam today to try to find out more specifics about her power.

Rockstar says she was a Steve supporter because Steve pledged his loyalty.  She says Sam hasn't pledged loyalty to anything.

Rockstar has been practicing her goodbye message to Brett.  Of course she has.

[Jeanne222]

How does Sam's power work?  I'm confused on that one.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Jeanne222
Put Kaitlin instead of Sam. OOPs.

[Lady Calypso]

2 minutes ago, zorak said:

Rockstar has been practicing her goodbye message to Brett.  Of course she has.

I'll laugh if he does get evicted and they don't show it to him. 

[Sandycat]

So, S6 wants Brett out, and L6 wants Winston out? If Brett does out Kaitlyn in the veto speech for the week one vote, would Scottie use the veto? I think he’s still keep it the same.

[missyb]

OOh Tyler is going to know something is up. She just walked in the kitchen, Tyler says, hey good morning. With barely a glance, she says , hi , whats up and keeps walking.
Especially when he can see out in the yard that she just left RS and Hay.

[missyb]

Tyler has Kaitlyn in the upstairs loft now. He is apologizing for basically not comforting her fast enough. And fish. Can he sway her back ?? Her guard will be up because the girls are heavily supporting her now.

[zorak]

13 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'll laugh if he does get evicted and they don't show it to him. 

Totally agree.  I think what would really make me laugh is if he stays and she ends up being evicted at his hands.  It would bring me great satisfaction.

[Lamb18]

21 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

What Sam has said before was that she's had several jobs. The first job she got out of high school was being a hairdresser because of her small town life. She only became a welder recently, I believe (maybe in the last five years?). She's talked about moving to be with her 12 year older boyfriend when she was 21 as well. It's a little inconsistent. I just think she rambles a lot so I've probably missed key details in between. I know she had a very recent break-up with her ex (this past year) which was rough on her as well. 

That being said, I think the whole "living in a trailer on her parents' property" intro segment was exaggerated. She definitely was "cast" to fit a certain persona, like everyone else. Brett was cast to be the douchey fratbro and he's more bro than frat. 

Someone who knows Sam posted in one of the All Access BB chatrooms. That person said Sam met her boyfriend online, then moved to Virginia to be with him. They are broken up. Also, Sam is living in the camper because someone who has no place to stay is using Sam's room in the house.

[zorak]

Kaitlyn is telling Tyler of her plan to tell Scottie that she flipped the vote on Steve.  Tyler thinks it's a terrible idea.  She doesn't agree.

[iMonrey]

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So Sam said the DR wants her to use the power this week. I get that, but the way she's going about this is just bizarre.

This does not surprise me in the least. You have to figure Alison Grodner is shitting her pants over the thought of either Brett or Winston leaving. Dollars to donuts, both will survive this week one way or another. Just watch.

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Rachel, in the midst of this whole conversation, randomly asks, "Is Scottie straight?"

I find myself asking the same question. The kid definitely pings.