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Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes


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I'm like 10 minutes in to Iron Fist and zomg the actor who plays Danny is soooooo bad and so far the supporting actors just as bad. At this point I don't foresee myself sitting through another Ep. 

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Oh, I'm so torn. I've seen everything Marvel has ever put out, and I`ll probably need to watch Iron Fist to catch everything that will happen in future, better MCU Netflix shows, but...it just sounds awful! I have too much stuff to do to make the time to binge, but I feel like I'm required to watch it. But it sounds like it sucks! The struggle is real.

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I was cured from watching everything Marvel when they cast Doctor Strange, and there's no fucking way I'm watching Benedryl Cucumberalien in anything ever again because he's terrifying and I'd rather poke myself in the eye. So now that I skipped one, I can skip any.

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This writer postulated that Oliver now needs Sara's help to fight the Prometheus/Talia alliance...

Arrow: Oliver Is In Over His Head, And Only One Former Teammate Can Help Him
March 17, 2017 Mark Wilson
http://theinscribermag.com/arrow-oliver-head-one-former-teammate-can-help/

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... When Oliver learned that Chase was Prometheus it changed the landscape of the show to a more personal feel they way Slade’s character did. In addition to Chase being somewhat in the inner circle, he seems to be on the same fighting level as Oliver, smarter and that has made his character the best one of the best villains we’ve seen so far.

But, how does Arrow beat him?

That’s tricky due to his allegiance with Oliver’s former teach, Talia who also happens to be the daughter of Ra’s al Ghul. The two of them are a deadly force and as much as he likes to think so, his current team is not capable of defeating the duo. It’s clear that Oliver needs help. Not an army but a clone.

... Oliver needs a killer by his side and there is only one that fits that criteria.

Sara Lance.
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Sara is also trained in the ways of The League of Assassins and will be a formidable opponent for Talia while Oliver takes on Chase. This is the only way this showdown should go down and I hope the writers do not let Rene or Mr. Terrific try to take them on because that will destroy what has been a great build up this season.

Time to fight fire with fire.

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22 minutes ago, way2interested said:

Well, Monday's the big "Mon-el is really the Prince of Daxam" reveal, so it kind of makes sense.

Honestly, it was so obvious this whole time, I keep forgetting everyone doesn't know that already.

I started the first episode of Iron Fist, and it is giving me so many flashbacks to the first season of Arrow. Rich guy presumed dead returns years later, rich parent/parents died in accident that supposedly claimed rich guy, and said rich guy comes back totally different with badass crime fighting abilities. Except, the guys been gone longer, so they're drawing out this plot about people questioning its him, so its taking longer for Danny to Save His City, and its boring. So very boring. Granted, I just started, and the first half of season 1 of Arrow wasn't perfect or anything, but it was engaging, and even back then SA was a million times the actor this guy is. Way to make me appreciate Arrow more, show!

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36 minutes ago, way2interested said:

Well, Monday's the big "Mon-el is really the Prince of Daxam" reveal, so it kind of makes sense.

I REBUKE if Supergirl is the only show that will have 3 actors at the panel. 

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*blinks*

Chris and Melissa are dating?  Really? 

*shakes head* ok I didn't know that,  but be that as it may, why would you think they are doing it just because of that and not because of the character he plays? Who is in a major storyline with the lead character?

I mean, my first thought when I saw that was "I guess that confirms the rumors he's sticking around past this season."

Where did you see that Chris and Melissa are dating? I just googled it and I can't find anything, except rumors because of her divorce.

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2 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

*blinks*

Chris and Melissa are dating?  Really? 

*shakes head* ok I didn't know that,  but be that as it may, why would you think they are doing it just because of that and not because of the character he plays? Who is in a major storyline with the lead character?

Why isnt Arrow taking Josh Segarra? or Emily? Both of theirs storyline are heating up

Why isnt Flash adding another regular to the panel?

Why not LOT? Victor Garber is in the crossover? 

 

The Vancouver paps started posting pics of the couple. 

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So all three shows had series lows in viewership this week.  Arrow ended up #2 for the week with Supergirl not airing and Legends' drop.  

Flash dropped 124K viewers.

Arrow dropped 77K viewers.

Legends dropped 199K viewers. 

Next week Supergirl is back and Flash has the musical crossover.   This Is Us and Lethal Weapon are done for the season, but The Voice is back.  Also, March Madness.  I don't follow sports so I don't know if any of the scheduling would effect any of the DC shows.

I think we're only going to have all four shows airing for two more weeks.  I think Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl will all go on break after that before returning at the end of April to run their last five episodes.  And of course Legends only has three more episodes to air.  

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Each show is being represented by two regulars; so it's just who they picked you don't like? I would have picked David Harewood or Chyler over Chris Wood, myself.

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Just now, Trini said:

Each show is being represented by two regulars; so it's just who they picked you don't like? I would have picked David Harewood or Chyler over Chris Wood, myself.

No my problem will be if Supergirl will be the only show with 3 panelist.  If the rumors of Chris Wood joining are correct.  David Harewood is going. 

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Just now, Trini said:

Each show is being represented by two regulars; so it's just who they picked you don't like? I would have picked David Harewood or Chyler over Chris Wood, myself.

It sounds like Supergirl is being represented by three, as opposed to the three other shows.  Melissa and David Harewood, and it sounds like Chris Wood has been a last minute addition.  

Personally I would assume that's because they have some announcement they want to make about his character, not the actors' personal lives, but who knows.

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I've been thinking since Chris Wood came from the Vampire Diaries that maybe he's a CW darling with the Network suits. Depending on how popular he is maybe they want to spin him off into an Evil Superman kind of thing.
 

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LOT got so lucky in unrounded numbers

The Flash ..........................     0.870 ... (0.887 ... 0.853)
Legends of Tomorrow ....... 0.451 ... (0.468 ... 0.434)

http://www.spottedratings.com/2017/03/spotted-ratings-tuesday-31417.html

Arrow ............................... 0.506 ... (0.517 ... 0.494)
The 100 ........................... 0.369 ... (0.374 ... 0.364)

http://www.spottedratings.com/2017/03/spotted-ratings-wednesday-31517.html

Normally the 100 should have never adjusted down normally. Preemptions most likely the reason. 

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48 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

It doesn't look like this was the original plan, just a last minute thing, even if the rumor is true.

Even so... I don't care if it wasn't part of the original plan. They should've just stuck to it to avoid this mess. Now it's just not fair. 

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18 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

Even so... I don't care if it wasn't part of the original plan. They should've just stuck to it to avoid this mess. Now it's just not fair. 

What mess?  I doubt anyone cares other than a few EBR fans.  I'm sorry, but I just don't get the whole "fair" thing.

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Just now, Starfish35 said:

What mess?  I doubt anyone cares other than a few EBR fans.

Well you ARE talking to an EBR/Felicity fan? I'm not forcing you to think it's a mess. Me thinking it's a mess is totally my opinion. I just think it's unfair. Not to EBR, but to her fans who want to hear from her and her take on Felicity's arc (which is pretty much the biggest arc on the show right now after Oliver's). 

Look I get why not a lot of people are upset other than EBR/Felicity fans, it's probably because their faves are going so it doesn't matter if EBR goes or not. But I'm allowed to be upset that mine isn't, especially because this is Felicity's first BIG arc and she's not even getting the exposure from that. I find that incredibly wrong.

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I AM a Felicity/EBR fan.  I just think it's ridiculous that, just because Supergirl decided they needed Chris Wood there for whatever reason, that all the other shows should have to go "oh now we need a third too" and go and grab the actors and make them change whatever plans they had for the weekend just because Supergirl wanted/needed a third.  

I get fans being disappointed that she wasn't included on the panel in the first place. I totally do.  What I do not get is the "fairness" thing, as if Chris Wood's inclusion is somehow a slight to EBR.  That just doesn't make sense to me.

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17 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I AM a Felicity/EBR fan.  I just think it's ridiculous that, just because Supergirl decided they needed Chris Wood there for whatever reason, that all the other shows should have to go "oh now we need a third too" and go and grab the actors and make them change whatever plans they had for the weekend just because Supergirl wanted/needed a third.  

It's clearly not just about Paley for me. It's about a years worth of silence from her, then they choose not to bring her to Paley because they're doing the 2 top billed actors... Which fine, I get that justification. But then they turn around and say "kidding! It's not just the two top billed actors!". Clearly they weren't married to the whole 'just bring the two top billed actors' idea... And the fact that they weren't and still didn't choose to bring her even though she has one of the biggest arcs going on right now says a lot.

And this on top of the years worth of silence? It builds up. So yeah, I'm unhappy.

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16 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

What mess?  I doubt anyone cares other than a few EBR fans.  I'm sorry, but I just don't get the whole "fair" thing.

One show gets to bring 3 people and the others don't. Why does Supergirl get to be the exception? 

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17 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

"oh now we need a third too" and go and grab the actors and make them change whatever plans they had

This is work. It's not like these actors go on vacations on the weekends during filming. I take last minute work trips all the time for my job. Because it's part of my job. What's different about this?

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4 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

One show gets to bring 3 people and the others don't. Why does Supergirl get to be the exception? 

Who knows?  But for heaven's sake this isn't grade school.  It's not about who got more cookies.  If every other show but Arrow was bringing three people, yes, I would wonder what gives, but that's clearly not the case.  

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12 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

What's different about this?

What's different is that it sounds like you're expecting a bunch of people to unnecessarily change their plans just so some fans don't get upset about some perceived unfairness.

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4 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

What's different is that it sounds like you're expecting a bunch of people to unnecessarily change their plans just so some fans don't get upset about some perceived unfairness.

You're assuming EBR had important plans this weekend when it's most likely not the case. I'd appreciate it if you stop being condescending. Why is it so wrong that I'm upset? I certainly won't lose sleep over it but I can think it's unfair. It's my opinion. 

Whatever. I'm done with this conversation. 

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8 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

Who knows?  But for heaven's sake this isn't grade school.  It's not about who got more cookies.

I wasn't going to say anything about being dismissed earlier as "just a few EBR fans" but you don't have to keep being condescending to make a point.

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*sigh* I'm sorry.  I've let the discussion get out of hand.  I do understand the viewpoint of wanting to see and hear from EBR.  I just don't understand the "fairness" part.  But that's fine.  I will let it go as well.  And I'm sorry for being condescending.

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I hope they're not taking Chris Wood to announce that he's going to be a regular next season because that might just be a deal breaker for me.  Mon El makes Malone look like foie gras on artisan bread for me.

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He's growing on me. I don't give two hoots about the ship but he's not bad when he's hovering around bringing her dumplings.

I just don't care enough to get worked up though which is kinda nice since I don't want to go cuckoo over everything like I do with Arrow.

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I don't get worked up about him, it's just that he takes up the time I wish they would spend on other characters and Kara joined to him at the hip drags her down. She's more interesting when she's opposite Alex or Hank or Lena.

ETA:  7 underrated comic book characters killing it on TV right now

I'd say that Cisco and Mon El are more overrated than underrated but this explains so much:

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This didn’t stop Flash’s eventual executive producer Andrew Kreisberg from attempting to rehabilitate the character in his own Vibe series in 2013. Teased as a member of the New 52’s Justice League, Vibe was said to be the survivor of a close encounter with an interdimensional gate known as a Boom Tube, developing sonic powers thereafter.

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6 hours ago, Starfish35 said:

*sigh* I'm sorry.  I've let the discussion get out of hand.  I do understand the viewpoint of wanting to see and hear from EBR.  I just don't understand the "fairness" part.  But that's fine.  I will let it go as well.  And I'm sorry for being condescending.

Leaving aside the issue of wishing EBR would do another Paley event, I am a bit frustrated that an already overloaded panel is now more overloaded and that by adding a third to Supergirl, it makes it likely that Supergirl will end up with more attention when the limited time was already split four ways.  At least before, it was split evenly.  Now the balance is upset.  

But Supergirl is probably the show that the CW most wants to push in the panel.  

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I'm honestly not surprised that TPTB upset the balance. The concept of fairness in a promotional event like PaleyFest is a fallacy. It's all about whatever they perceive their needs and goals are.

I am sad for those that really hoped to hear EBR's perspective. It would be really nice, but it was a long shot that any additional attention would be given to Arrow. It's aging out of the demographic, sliding in ratings and seems to be waffling in fan/critic response. So frankly, I'm surprised Arrow was allowed to even get two seats at the Fest at all.

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Considering that the panel description on the Paleyfest website refers to the shows collectively as "The Arrowverse", it would have been poor form to not invite Arrow.

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7 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

Considering that the panel description on the Paleyfest website refers to the shows collectively as "The Arrowverse", it would have been poor form to not invite Arrow.

Agree. But if they had only invited SA, I would NOT have been surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. So two seats, I consider a good thing. More would be better, but In my mind we should be grateful for two.

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