MysteryGuest January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 I think it's inevitable that any spin off of SPN will become a competitor, at least among the fans. There are so many factions now just from SPN that it will only get worse, IMO, if there are two separate shows. I wish they'd just left well enough alone, frankly. Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: I think it's inevitable that any spin off of SPN will become a competitor, at least among the fans. There are so many factions now just from SPN that it will only get worse, IMO, if there are two separate shows. I wish they'd just left well enough alone, frankly. But it really shouldn't be a competition. I don't recollect that Angel/Buffy or the Star Trek or other shows compete with each other. This wouldn't be that either if they were promoting it as look at these awesome women doing awesome things" instead of this not particularly veiled shots at Dean and Sam. Like they didn't even have to make it that Dean and Sam needed to be saved by the women either. It could have been like Hibbing 911 when Jody and Donna were teammates with dean and sam. They all saved each other. They could have done WS the same way. 3 Link to comment
nightwing877 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, catrox14 said: Interesting tweet from Kim. So Kim was on two different channels last night - wow was a Kim night then. I guess this is keeping her busy with work until the spin-off starts. 1 Link to comment
bethy January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, catrox14 said: Interesting tweet from Kim. Was it a rerun? New Criminal Minds eps are Wednesdays, and I didn’t see her on this week’s show. Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, bethy said: Was it a rerun? New Criminal Minds eps are Wednesdays, and I didn’t see her on this week’s show. I don't know. I don't watch the show at all . Sorry I can't be of more help on that one! Link to comment
nightwing877 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, bethy said: Was it a rerun? New Criminal Minds eps are Wednesdays, and I didn’t see her on this week’s show. Oh, my bad. I don't watch the show, I was just wondering. Since her response made it appear she was on that show this week. I checked her IMDB and your right her episode airs next week on the 24th, and she is expected to appear in at least 3 episodes. 1 Link to comment
bethy January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, nightwing877 said: Oh, my bad. I don't watch the show, I was just wondering. Since her response made it appear she was on that show this week. I checked her IMDB and your right her episode airs next week on the 24th, and she is expected to appear in at least 3 episodes. I wondered if she’d mixed up the weeks herself. Thanks for checking! I thought about looking at IMDb, but then forgot. :) 1 Link to comment
Bobcatkitten January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 I also hated a tweet from Speight during WS. What was he thinking? Jensen and Jared have INSANE chemistry - enough to carry a show for 13 years. To not recognize that and put Jody and Donna above them was poking the bear. He could have said their chemistry was on par or something like that. Ugh. There is nothing better than Jody and Donna on screen together. No joke. Their chemistry is magic. It’s all thanks to the unreal talents + trust shared by @kimrhodes4real and @OfficialBrianaB. @TheCW was smart to capitalize and give them a show. #Supernatural #Waywardsisters Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, scribe95 said: I also hated a tweet from Speight during WS. What was he thinking? Jensen and Jared have INSANE chemistry - enough to carry a show for 13 years. To not recognize that and put Jody and Donna above them was poking the bear. He could have said their chemistry was on par or something like that. Ugh. There is nothing better than Jody and Donna on screen together. No joke. Their chemistry is magic. It’s all thanks to the unreal talents + trust shared by @kimrhodes4real and @OfficialBrianaB. @TheCW was smart to capitalize and give them a show. #Supernatural #Waywardsisters here is just something...so ...inorganic here IMO despite all the "it's grassroots that got the show". I think Kim and Briana are good friends but I don't think that has particularly translated to a well founded on screen besties 4 ever friendship between Jody and Donna beyond Hibbing 911. I do think Donna and Dean, Jody and Sam as pairings have great chemistry. I'm talking about as acting partners. When have Jody and Donna really been on screen together between Hibbing 911 and WS (which was not much between them either other than shooting guns togehter. I recall that Donna was in Plush with the boys in s11 and Jody was in several eps with the boys in s11, 12, and 13. Honestly, I think Dick is saying that because he's been jonesing to direct eps of WS should that come to pass. I also think they are really pushing WS all around. And being more generous in my thoughts, maybe he's talking Kim/Briana fans so they don't turn away from WS because IMO if the pilot is a true marker of what the show will be, then it is the Claire Novak show with everyone else supporting her. No matter if the actors are all series regulars, they don't have to be in every episode. See Misha in SPN nor does that mean it will be equal screen time. Link to comment
Casseiopeia January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, scribe95 said: I also hated a tweet from Speight during WS. What was he thinking? Jensen and Jared have INSANE chemistry - enough to carry a show for 13 years. To not recognize that and put Jody and Donna above them was poking the bear. He could have said their chemistry was on par or something like that. Ugh. There is nothing better than Jody and Donna on screen together. No joke. Their chemistry is magic. It’s all thanks to the unreal talents + trust shared by @kimrhodes4real and @OfficialBrianaB. @TheCW was smart to capitalize and give them a show. #Supernatural #Waywardsisters I think they all need to remember who's shoulders they all rode in on. Without the J's none of them would be where they are today. 5 Link to comment
ILoveReading January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 I hope there is context to this becasue I've never heard Briana talk like this. :-( Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, ILoveReading said: I hope there is context to this becasue I've never heard Briana talk like this. :-( JFC, Briana. What are you doing? I don't get this at all. I mean "garbage" is a strong fucking word. Did someone follow up with her for clarification. How did the fans react to this I wonder? Link to comment
ILoveReading January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 Meanwhile Misha.... lol https://twitter.com/i/moments/954583921290809344 2 Link to comment
Jeddah January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, ILoveReading said: Meanwhile Misha.... lol https://twitter.com/i/moments/954583921290809344 I’m a fan of Misha Ge’s skating, so I am all for this! Link to comment
Wayward Son January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Casseiopeia said: I think they all need to remember who's shoulders they all rode in on. Without the J's none of them would be where they are today. I would argue that without J2, Eric Kripke and his initial team of talented writers, Kim Manners, a dedicated behind the scenes crew and the inclusion of loveable secondary characters such as Castiel, Crowley, Ellen, Pamela etc this show and the spin off actors wouldn’t be where they are today. Unpopular opinion but personally I think this fandom gives far too much credit to J2 for the shows success (since they’re the most visible) and shockingly little to the many writers and crew members who’ve put in a lot of hard work over the years. To be clear I’m not saying the deserve no credi just that they donthink deserve it all. Edited January 20, 2018 by Wayward Son 1 Link to comment
MysteryGuest January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayward Son said: Unpopular opinion but personally I think this fandom gives far too much credit to J2 for the shows success (since they’re the most visible) and shockingly little to the many writers and crew members who’ve put in a lot of hard work over the years. I think even TPTB recognize that without Jensen and Jared, they wouldn't be on this ride. They found magic in a bottle, and they know it. 5 Link to comment
Wayward Son January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MysteryGuest said: I think even TPTB recognize that without Jensen and Jared, they wouldn't be on this ride. They found magic in a bottle, and they know it. I still believe the world building by figures such as Eric Kripke, Singer, Gamble and Manner, the effort on the part of Lennertz and Gruska to create a style of music unique to the show, the work of the special effects crew and directors to give the show a unique feel all played just as much a part of the shows success as J2. These figures IMO don’t get the credit they deserve because they aren’t as visible to the audience as the actors who appear on screen. Like I said, I’m sure this isn’t a particularly common viewpoint so let’s just agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment
ILoveReading January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 I remember Kripke giving multiple interviews at the the start of the series where even he said that the success of the failure of the show was mostly going to be based on how well they cast the brothers. 4 Link to comment
Wayward Son January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ILoveReading said: I remember Kripke giving multiple interviews at the the start of the series where even he said that the success of the failure of the show was mostly going to be based on how well they cast the brothers. Yes, of course the actors play a role in the shows success. I’m not saying J2 have contributed nothing. All I’m saying is that it isn’t /all/ due to them. IMO if the writing in season one was as poor as it is often is now, the music was terrible and uninspired, the special effects were half decent at best then the show would have flopped J2 or no J2. Equally, since as I acknowledged J2 did play a part, had they cast two actors with no talent and no on screen chemistry it would have also flopped. There are plenty of talented actors who’ve been a part of one season and done shows because it isn’t just the acting that makes a show successful it’s everything. The acting, the writing, the directing, location, special effects etc. Edited January 20, 2018 by Wayward Son 2 Link to comment
Res January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, ILoveReading said: I remember Kripke giving multiple interviews at the the start of the series where even he said that the success of the failure of the show was mostly going to be based on how well they cast the brothers. All I can speak for is myself and I know I wouldn't have lasted past season 2 without J2. They are what I still watch for because the writers and side characters over the past 8 years have been mainly miss for me and very little if any hits. So I completely agree with this. But I know several would love for the Js or one of the Js to disappear for more of whatever side characters they love or want to see more of, even though there is less and less of the Js lately. *shrug* To each his own. Plus apparently it is now horribly sexist to have white male leads. *sigh* Edited January 20, 2018 by Res 2 Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayward Son said: I still believe the world building by figures such as Eric Kripke, Singer, Gamble and Manner, the effort on the part of Lennertz and Gruska to create a style of music unique to the show, the work of the special effects crew and directors to give the show a unique feel all played just as much a part of the shows success as J2. These figures IMO don’t get the credit they deserve because they aren’t as visible to the audience as the actors who appear on screen. J2 are those being "jokingly" maligned by Briana and Dick Speight. That's why we are talking about J2. Why do you think Pedowitz keeps saying as long as J2 are in the show will continue. He doesn't say as long as Castiel or Crowley or the rogues gallery of monsters and random hunters stick around the show will continue. 3 Link to comment
Wayward Son January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, catrox14 said: J2 are those being "jokingly" maligned by Briana and Dick Speight. That's why we are talking about J2. Why do you think Pedowitz keeps saying as long as J2 are in the show will continue. He doesn't say as long as Castiel or Crowley or the rogues gallery of monsters and random hunters stick around the show will continue. Going to post a reply in unpopular opinion threads. I really should have moved this discussion there before now. Link to comment
catrox14 January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayward Son said: There are plenty of talented actors who’ve been a part of one season and done shows because it isn’t just the acting that makes a show successful it’s everything. The acting, the writing, the directing, location, special effects etc. But all of the writing, the stories, the music etc was all about the Winchesters. Dean's music is what filled the soundtrack. It's all crafted together to tell the story about these brothers. My point is that the show is crafted around the boys story and the boys story is what drives. Dean would not be Dean if not played by Jensen Ackles. Sam wouldn't be Sam if not played by Jared Padalecki. The universe is expanded and that's a good thing. I can't imagine the show without Castiel at this point and it would still go on anyway. It went on without Bobby. Link to comment
Bobcatkitten January 20, 2018 Share January 20, 2018 Of course there are other factors to the show's success. But J2 and their chemistry together is clearly the primary one. 5 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 7 hours ago, scribe95 said: Of course there are other factors to the show's success. But J2 and their chemistry together is clearly the primary one. It's laughable to me to even consider that this show would've made it past S1 without the incredible chemistry of Jensen and Jared. I'd bet money that Eric Kripke would say the same. Speight can suck it. 5 Link to comment
Myrelle January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) Speight has become infamous for this type of rhetoric, at this point. He's as bad as the CW promo monkeys, IMO. In fact, he should put in for a job with them if he needs/wants work that badly. He'd fit right in with them. Edited January 21, 2018 by Myrelle Link to comment
Wayward Son January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said: It's laughable to me to even consider that this show would've made it past S1 without the incredible chemistry of Jensen and Jared. I'd bet money that Eric Kripke would say the same. Speight can suck it. Eh, since we can’t travel to alternative universes we can never know for definite, but it isn’t as though Jared or Jensen are the only two capable actors in the world or the only two leads to have incredible chemistry in the history of television. Link to comment
DittyDotDot January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said: It's laughable to me to even consider that this show would've made it past S1 without the incredible chemistry of Jensen and Jared. I'd bet money that Eric Kripke would say the same. Speight can suck it. I really don't get the outrage I guess. Spleight didn't say Jared and Jensen didn't have amazing chemistry or that Brianna and Kim's chemistry was better or anything like that; he just said Kim and Brianna had good chemistry, which, IMO is true. And, I don't think Brianna was competing with Supernatural when she said they wouldn't have to pretend to be law enforcement. She didn't say Sam and Dean have been doing it wrong all these years, but it doesn't make sense for Jodi and Donna as characters to be doing the fake law enforcement schtick when they actually are law enforcement. Not every compliment for Wayward and/or Kim and Brianna is a dig against Supernatural and/or Jared and Jensen. Edited January 21, 2018 by DittyDotDot 5 Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said: I really don't get the outrage I guess. Spleight didn't say Jared and Jensen didn't have amazing chemistry or that Brianna and Kim's chemistry was better or anything like that; he just said Kim and Brianna had good chemistry, which, IMO is true. And, I don't think Brianna was competing with Supernatural when she said they wouldn't have to pretend to be law enforcement. She didn't say Sam and Dean have been doing it wrong all these years, but it doesn't make sense for Jodi and Donna as characters to be doing the fake law enforcement schtick when they actually are law enforcement. Not every compliment for Wayward and/or Kim and Brianna is a dig against Supernatural and/or Jared and Jensen. LOL Dick literally in his own words on that tweet HE made the comparative comment. 1 Link to comment
DittyDotDot January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, catrox14 said: LOL Dick literally in his own words on that tweet HE made the comparative comment. Yeah, I saw it posted above. I've read it. He does not mention Jared or Jensen at all, just says that he loves the chemistry between Kim and Brianna and thought the CW was smart to capitalize on that...what about that is comparative? If anything the comment reads as Spleight kissing up to the CW, but there is nothing, as far as I can see, where he is comparing Kim and Brianna to Jared and Jensen. Edited January 21, 2018 by DittyDotDot 2 Link to comment
Jeddah January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 “There is nothing better than...” strikes me as a phrase people use to exagerrate something, not necessarily as a comparison. I use it that way. If I said “There is nothing better than this cheesecake” while I was visiting my friend’s house, I’d say it as a compliment to my friend’s baking skills. I wouldn’t literally mean it’s better than all the other food I’ve ever eaten. If I said, ”There is nothing better than seeing my dog when I get home from work,” I wouldn’t really mean it as a slight against everyone else in my life. I don’t know. Maybe I’ve been using it wrong. Now I’m worried that I’ve unintentionally insulted everyone in my life by using this phrase. 2 Link to comment
Myrelle January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said: ...what about that is comparative? "There is nothing better than..." made it comparative to everyone and anyone's chemistry, including the Js. That said, I also agree that he was kissing up to the stars and the network in hopes of future employment opportunities. That also said, he's allowed to like their chemistry better than anyone else's, but if he had "help" from both or either of the Js in getting those directing gigs on SPN, it might have been more gracious of him to remain more circumspect in his comments about K and B and helped to make him appear to be less of an ingrate. But if one follows Speight's words and interviews, you'd know that he isn't graceful, or is ignorant of how to be that descriptor. I started ignoring him after that interview for the first episode he directed on SPN and also after reading a snide comment he made on an article that gave Jensen props for his singing with Rob's band. 2 Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeddah said: “There is nothing better than...” strikes me as a phrase people use to exagerrate something, not necessarily as a comparison. I use it that way. If I said “There is nothing better than this cheesecake” while I was visiting my friend’s house, I’d say it as a compliment to my friend’s baking skills. I wouldn’t literally mean it’s better than all the other food I’ve ever eaten. If I said, ”There is nothing better than seeing my dog when I get home from work,” I wouldn’t really mean it as a slight against everyone else in my life. I don’t know. Maybe I’ve been using it wrong. Now I’m worried that I’ve unintentionally insulted everyone in my life by using this phrase. It's funny. I have never used "There is nothing better" IRL ever that I can think of. I go with "Man, this is so great". However, you saying it about your dog or your kids or your friends in a private setting is vastly different than a the context of Dick's tweet. Dick could have easily just said everything else and not made it a comparison. He also does the Friday people vs Sunday people shit at cons. He said shit about the cost of J2 photo ops at cons as well. I just think he's poking a bear unnecessarily. 1 Link to comment
Myrelle January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jeddah said: I don’t know. Maybe I’ve been using it wrong. Now I’m worried that I’ve unintentionally insulted everyone in my life by using this phrase. When one is in the field that he is in, one should especially watch their words. All of them and think before they press send or submit. It's good advice for anyone, tbh, but even more so for those in his field of work, IMO. 1 Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 He's doing it for PR and is either not thinking about how it will be received by the SPN viewership or he knows exactly how it will be received. 2 Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wayward Son said: Eh, since we can’t travel to alternative universes we can never know for definite, but it isn’t as though Jared or Jensen are the only two capable actors in the world or the only two leads to have incredible chemistry in the history of television. And nobody has said there aren't other capable actors or no other actors in TV have chemistry. NO ONE is saying that. That's a strawman. It's purely a hypothetical to say that the show would lasted with 2 other actors playing Sam and Dean. It's not a hypothetical to say that the show wouldn't have lasted without J2 because it's been stated by the showrunners and writers themselves that it all rested on J2's chemistry. Kripke told them it all depended on them. There is article after article that talks about that. If J2 had quit in the first two seasons, it's unlikely they were going to recast the parts. It's more likely they would have closed up shop and the WB would have found new shows Edited January 21, 2018 by catrox14 2 Link to comment
DittyDotDot January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Myrelle said: "There is nothing better than..." made it comparative to everyone and anyone's chemistry, including the Js. "There's nothing better than" is hyperbole to extenuate the compliment, not literally comparative. So, the Rizzoli and Isles fans should also take offense? As should X-files fans and fans of just about any other show that has two characters with great chemistry...because, clearly, Spleight was saying that they all suck and not at all just saying that Donna and Jodi are an awesome pair? As I said before, a compliment for Wayward is not automatically a dig at Supernatural, IMO. Edited January 21, 2018 by DittyDotDot 3 Link to comment
DeeDee79 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Pondlass1 said: I took it as a dig. So did I. Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said: As I said before, a compliment for Wayward is not automatically a dig at Supernatural, IMO It's all a matter of how that compliment is framed. Let's be real here. There is competition being stirred already just in the nature of the promotion of Wayward Whatevers from PR itself by the show itself, using lifts from the mothership and claiming it to be "parallels" and "callbacks". That kind of writing is always going to be a bit divisive because some see it as ripping off the mothership and at the same time not respecting it more in the PR of Wayward Whatevers. And they all might really think that the spinoff IS superior to SPN in every way, which is their prerogative and Dick might actually think K/B have better chemistry than J2. He might be telling his actual opinion exactly as stated for his own reasons. None of which means that fans who are bothered by it are totally out of line for being bothered by it. 1 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, catrox14 said: It's funny. I have never used "There is nothing better" IRL ever that I can think of. I go with "Man, this is so great". However, you saying it about your dog or your kids or your friends in a private setting is vastly different than a the context of Dick's tweet. Dick could have easily just said everything else and not made it a comparison. He also does the Friday people vs Sunday people shit at cons. He said shit about the cost of J2 photo ops at cons as well. I just think he's poking a bear unnecessarily. Exactly. Context is everything, so yeah, when you're live tweeting a show and saying something is the best evah! it's not unreasonable for it to be taken as a comparison. Especially when one if the most lauded aspects of said show is the chemistry of the two leads. Rich is a highly skilled suck-up and potentially WS is where the work will be in the future. His remarks don't surprise me. 3 Link to comment
DittyDotDot January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, catrox14 said: None of which means that fans who are bothered by it are totally out of line for being bothered by it. Which I never stated they were, just that I don't get it. IMO, fans are trying to twist anything positive said about Wayward into a dig about Supernatural. Which I just don't get. I just don't understand understand why I must hate something in order to like something else. 2 Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said: Which I never stated they were, just that I don't get it. IMO, fans are trying to twist anything positive said about Wayward into a dig about Supernatural. Which I just don't get. I just don't understand understand why I must hate something in order to like something else. I won't speak for anyone else here. I AM myself reacting to what I see Briana is saying at the con, and Dick saying on Twitter and my reaction is that they are low key shading the mothership and J2. It's my interpretation. Yours is different. If you don't see that way that's fine. I don't see where anyone is telling you that you have to hate one thing to like something else. That's not what I'm seeing here in this conversation. Link to comment
Wayward Son January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) My question is; if RSJ did mean it as a comparison and stated he preferred Kim and Brianna on screen to Jared and Jensen what’s wrong with that? The man is entitled to his opinion even if it is one you (general you) disagree with. @catrox14 not trying to call you out in particular, but just because I know you’re a big fan of Jensen and Misha on screen chemistry. Would you still see it as disrespect to j2 if after an episode featuring a major Dean and Cas scene he tweeted “There is nothing better than Dean and Cas on screen together”? And if you would fair enough, but if not why not? What would be the difference in your eyes? Edited January 21, 2018 by Wayward Son Link to comment
Pondlass1 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: Would you still see it as disrespect to j2 if after an episode featuring a major Dean and Cas scene he tweeted “There is nothing better than Dean and Cas on screen together”? Major insult to Jared, I'd say. Slow tweets from Gold Panel at Orlando this morning. I'm usually trying to catch up with 25 tweets per minute. Link to comment
gonzosgirrl January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: My question is; if RSJ did mean it as a comparison and stated he preferred Kim and Brianna on screen to Jared and Jensen what’s wrong with that? The man is entitled to his opinion even if it is one you (general you) disagree with. He is, of course, entitled to state his opinion. And we (I) are entitled to state how that opinion makes him appear in our (my) eyes. Link to comment
catrox14 January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: My question is; if RSJ did mean it as a comparison and stated he preferred Kim and Brianna on screen to Jared and Jensen what’s wrong with that? The man is entitled to his opinion even if it is one you (general you) disagree with. @catrox14 not trying to call you out in particular, but just because I know you’re a big fan of Jensen and Misha on screen chemistry. Would you still see it as disrespect to j2 if after an episode featuring a major Dean and Cas scene he tweeted “There is nothing better than Dean and Cas on screen together”? And if you would fair enough, but if not why not? What would be the difference in your eyes? No gotcha moment here, Wayward Son. I would feel the same way if Dick did that because he's a cast member and a director and has power and influence in this fandom. It's a comparative statement serves no good purpose. It's unnecessarily divisive and fans the flames. Link to comment
Res January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, catrox14 said: And nobody has said there aren't other capable actors or no other actors in TV have chemistry. NO ONE is saying that. That's a strawman. It's purely a hypothetical to say that the show would lasted with 2 other actors playing Sam and Dean. It's not a hypothetical to say that the show wouldn't have lasted without J2 because it's been stated by the showrunners and writers themselves that it all rested on J2's chemistry. Kripke told them it all depended on them. There is article after article that talks about that. If J2 had quit in the first two seasons, it's unlikely they were going to recast the parts. It's more likely they would have closed up shop and the WB would have found new shows I know this is dating me and most probably won't get the reference but an example of this for me is when they tried to replace Bo and Luke on the Dukes of Hazzard with Coy and Vance. That is an example of how some actors can click while their replacements . . . ugh! I quit the show until they renegotiated Bo and Luke's contracts to bring them back. You can say other actors CAN have the same chemistry but finding them is difficult and not completely based on their acting skills. So finding two actors who CAN act and have GREAT chemistry AND appeal to so many fans is very difficult. In fact, I cannot think of another duo that I can say that about right now. 2 hours ago, Wayward Son said: My question is; if RSJ did mean it as a comparison and stated he preferred Kim and Brianna on screen to Jared and Jensen what’s wrong with that? The man is entitled to his opinion even if it is one you (general you) disagree with. @catrox14 not trying to call you out in particular, but just because I know you’re a big fan of Jensen and Misha on screen chemistry. Would you still see it as disrespect to j2 if after an episode featuring a major Dean and Cas scene he tweeted “There is nothing better than Dean and Cas on screen together”? And if you would fair enough, but if not why not? What would be the difference in your eyes? I completely agree that RSJ is completely entitled to his opinion and fans are allowed to have opinions about his opinions as well as seeing it how they see it. As far as Dean and Cas is chemistry, I actually completely agree that it's better IMO than J2's. Do I mean it as disrespect? Not really but J2 fans, bi-bro fans and bro-only fans are completely entitled so see it as such if they wish. I also think that Dean and Cas have a much better relationship than Sam and Dean as bad as some might see it. Once again, some will see that as disrespect and some won't. Some will agree. IMO RSJ apparent OTT comment seemed too staged and PR-ish but as I've already said, if that's his true opinion, to each his own. I honestly didn't see any real chemistry in the whole episode so of course it seems complete OTT and promotion-ish because of that. Of course I don't see any chemistry between Dean and Donna either but other fans do. Edited January 21, 2018 by Res Link to comment
Jeddah January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Myrelle said: When one is in the field that he is in, one should especially watch their words. All of them and think before they press send or submit. It's good advice for anyone, tbh, but even more so for those in his field of work, IMO. Do you think there are going to be industry repercussions for this? Do you think Jensen and Jared are mad? The network people are upset that he complimented Brianna and Kim? People in his field of work should watch what they say for sure, but this really seems innocuous in the grand scheme of things. I thought Jared and Jensen really shouldn’t have made any rape jokes. People on this board thought I was overreacting. But these tweets people get offended by? I truly don’t get it. 1 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl January 21, 2018 Share January 21, 2018 I posted this in the episode thread but it should be here for posterity. TVLine Quote of the Week from 13x10 http://tvline.com/gallery/riverdale-fascist-barbie-best-tv-quotes/#!7/supernatural-tastes-like-lizard-quote/ Link to comment
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