MysteryGuest November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: Maybe I’m a horrible person, but I guess I just don’t feel sorry for J2 because they spend a lot of time away from their families they don’t have to spend apart from them. No, not horrible at all. Like I said, I was having a sappy moment when I wrote that post and missing when my own kids were small. And you're absolutely right about the cons. They are very lucrative for them, and I'm sure the money is hard to pass up. Even if Jensen and Jared go on to other projects after SPN is finished, their chances of finding something that long-lasting are very slim. There are just too many out of work actors. And this show was sort of a "lightning in a bottle" kind of thing. Small network, low budget, no name actors, not the best writing, but they managed to put together a cast that just clicked, and made us all want to come along for the ride. You have to strike while the iron is hot and I think that's what they're doing. 5 Link to comment
ahrtee November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: No, not horrible at all. Like I said, I was having a sappy moment when I wrote that post and missing when my own kids were small. And you're absolutely right about the cons. They are very lucrative for them, and I'm sure the money is hard to pass up. Even if Jensen and Jared go on to other projects after SPN is finished, their chances of finding something that long-lasting are very slim. There are just too many out of work actors. And this show was sort of a "lightning in a bottle" kind of thing. Small network, low budget, no name actors, not the best writing, but they managed to put together a cast that just clicked, and made us all want to come along for the ride. You have to strike while the iron is hot and I think that's what they're doing. IA that they're "striking when the iron is hot" to make as much as they can, though I'm surprised that they haven't been cutting down the number of cons lately, both for their sanity and because the market has become kind of saturated, especially when you can watch the panels on YouTube and they always ask the same questions (which is why I assume they've been mixing it up a little.) But it started me thinking...it may be lucrative for the Js, but it would be much more important for most of the guest stars--those who don't have large weekly paychecks coming in and who *do* have to look for outside sources whenever they can. I think the cons are especially important to Rob and Richard, not only for money but also for exposure. And since the Js are the biggest draw, the cons wouldn't be nearly as full without them. So maybe the boys are also continuing to work the cons in order to help their friends (besides the money, of course!) :) 7 Link to comment
bethy November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 It’s hard to overstate how important living in Texas is to Texans. :) Plus, Austin is close to both their families. They have the financial freedom to get home regularly and it seems to be working for them, so.... 7 Link to comment
Pondlass1 November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 I think the worst part of their working season is almost over now. It's a long hard haul from July to December. I think things get easier for them once the holidays are over and they get more weeks off. And although Vancouver is beautiful... there's lots of rain and dreary days which must be depressing for two Texans. Long nights, short days. It's dark at 4 o clock in the afternoon. I've always wondered why they don't film from March to November when it's nice summer/fall weather in BC and can replicate more US States. Also summers are supposedly brutal in Texas (I've never been) and Texans stay inside with the AC. 1 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 JDM's Thanksgiving message. Possibly NSFW so click the link at your peril. He's quite a character. LOL! https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb17F_JhEgj/ 2 Link to comment
catrox14 November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said: JDM's Thanksgiving message. Possibly NSFW so click the link at your peril. He's quite a character. LOL! https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb17F_JhEgj/ LOOOL. That's funny 2 Link to comment
bethy November 23, 2017 Share November 23, 2017 Starting in July they miss the worst of the summer here, at least. Random Texans in Vancouver story... I took my 12yo nephew with me on a trip to Vancouver a few years ago in July, and they were going through a heat wave. We went on a whale-watching tour and as we were coming into the dock, still in our cold water overall things, the sweet guide was apologizing profusely for the heat. My nephew leaned over and whispered, somewhat uncertainly, “I’m not even sweating.” 7 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 (edited) Thanksgiving with the Collins family. Edited November 25, 2017 by Wayward Son 2 Link to comment
DittyDotDot November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Wayward Son said: Thanksgiving with the Collins family. Dean must be soooo jealous! ;) That's awesome! 4 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, catrox14 said: Wow. He's being way nicer than I would be. 9 Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said: Wow. He's being way nicer than I would be. Especially to the person saying he bit the hand that fed him. WTF? I don't think Mark left on his own. I think it's possible he may have gone to the writers to say, look Crowley's SL is kind of a mess. And they wrote him out instead of giving him something better. Or they wanted a Lucifer SL, plain and simple. Write out Crowley, pay Pellegrino his salary, write out Rowena and give Jack to Lucifer. 7 Link to comment
MysteryGuest November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Or it was a budget decision and Colonel Sanders costs substantially less than Mark Sheppard. They wanted to add Jack as a regular, and they already had Cas and Lucifer. I'm thinking it was money, and not much more. It certainly wasn't an improvement, and the storylines haven't changed at all. 4 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: Or it was a budget decision and Colonel Sanders costs substantially less than Mark Sheppard. They wanted to add Jack as a regular, and they already had Cas and Lucifer. I'm thinking it was money, and not much more. It certainly wasn't an improvement, and the storylines haven't changed at all. I’m nosy and would love to know how much each of the regulars make, past and present, and how they relate to each other. I think all we know for definite is the fact that J2 make $175k per episode? Which makes them EXTREMELY expensive by CW standards. Edited November 25, 2017 by Wayward Son Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: Or it was a budget decision and Colonel Sanders costs substantially less than Mark Sheppard. They wanted to add Jack as a regular, and they already had Cas and Lucifer. I'm thinking it was money, and not much more. It certainly wasn't an improvement, and the storylines haven't changed at all. Eh, I don't think it was just budget cuts. IMO, Mark's salary went to Pellegrino, not Asmodeus. They literally replaced Crowley with Lucifer by the ridiculous "reversing the polarity" so he could "kill" Crowley. Like that was about as meta as it was going to get. And then Crowley killed himself so he could go out on his own terms. I suspect Mark S was making a hefty salary and so that went to Pellegrino. 15 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: I think all we know for definite is the fact that J2 make $175k per episode? Which makes them EXTREMELY expensive by CW standards. I bet they make more than that now. 1 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Just now, catrox14 said: I bet they make more than that now. When fans complain about the lack of rock music in recent years maybe that’s where that money went... covering J2’s inflated salary and possibly Misha’s salary. Either way I’d be surprised if Misha makes even half of J2s salary, but I wonder how it works with the regulars. For instance does Misha make more due to being a regular for five years now while Mark is only on his second season and Alexander his first, or are they all just paid equal. Link to comment
MysteryGuest November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 But it used to be Jensen, Jared, Cas and Crowley. Then last year they added Lucifer. This year they wanted to add Jack, so I still think the budget wasn't going to allow for 6 regulars, and maybe Mark didn't want to take a demotion. Who knows. If they truly thought Mark's story had run it's course, so let's introduce an actor no where near Mark's stature and re-play the same stories, then they're idiots. 3 Link to comment
Lady Calypso November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 I just found an article, as recently as this past October, that says that Jensen makes 175k but Jared only makes 125k, most likely due to Jensen also directing. This same article also says that Misha makes 20k an episode. I don't know how accurate this information is, by the way. 1 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Just now, Lady Calypso said: I just found an article, as recently as this past October, that says that Jensen makes 175k but Jared only makes 125k, most likely due to Jensen also directing. This same article also says that Misha makes 20k an episode. I don't know how accurate this information is, by the way. I think I remember this article being discussed on here a while back. I think most of us were sceptical about the difference due to the fact that Jared and Jensen have always stated they go to negotiation tables together and earn the same as a result. Jensen would only receive extra for directing the individual episodes he directs rather than every episode. So he would have been paid extra for 11x03, but not for any other season 11 episode. The article itself states the figure for Jared comes from different sources so based on J2s words the Jared salary is probably out of date and they both get paid 175k now. Misha’s salary sounds about right to me though. I figured it’d be miniscule compared to J2s. Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Just now, MysteryGuest said: But it used to be Jensen, Jared, Cas and Crowley. Then last year they added Lucifer. This year they wanted to add Jack, so I still think the budget wasn't going to allow for 6 regulars, and maybe Mark didn't want to take a demotion. Who knows. If they truly thought Mark's story had run it's course, so let's introduce an actor no where near Mark's stature and re-play the same stories, then they're idiots. Prior to s12, the credits were Jared, Jensen, Misha, Mark. That changed in s12 to Jared, Jensen, Mark and Misha Collins (which I bet was in lieu of money). As of 12.23 there were 5 series regulars listed in the credits : Jared, Jensen, Mark S, Mark P AND Misha. That's why I say that Lucifer replaced Crowley as a series regular in s12. 8 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: Misha’s salary sounds about right to me though. I figured it’d be miniscule compared to J2s. That seems low to me. I bet it's more like 35K to 40K 2 Link to comment
Aeryn13 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Their salaries were never published simulteanously. First Jared`s was published (I don`t remember the exact year, I remember possibly Hugh Laurie being top TV earner back then) at 125k, then two years later (I think) Jensen`s at 175k (that might have been when House was finished and Mark Harmon claimed top spot in TV earnings, I believe it was before the TBBT folks with their million paychekc). I think the understanding was that the respective other J made at same at that particular time. Nowadays, I`m sure it`s even beyond 175k. Directing wouldn`t figure into it either way. 2 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, catrox14 said: Prior to s12, the credits were Jared, Jensen, Misha, Mark. That changed in s12 to Jared, Jensen, Mark and Misha Collins (which I bet was in lieu of money). As of 12.23 there were 5 series regulars listed in the credits : Jared, Jensen, Mark S, Mark P AND Misha. That's why I say that Lucifer replaced Crowley as a series regular in s12. Or as I speculated in the past they increased his per episode pay, but decreased his appearances resulting in Misha seeing no extra money in his bank account. In other words last year he got say $260,000 for eleven episodes instead of $260,000 for 13. 4 minutes ago, catrox14 said: Prior to s12, the credits were Jared, Jensen, Misha, Mark. That changed in s12 to Jared, Jensen, Mark and Misha Collins (which I bet was in lieu of money). As of 12.23 there were 5 series regulars listed in the credits : Jared, Jensen, Mark S, Mark P AND Misha. That's why I say that Lucifer replaced Crowley as a series regular in s12. 21 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: But it used to be Jensen, Jared, Cas and Crowley. Then last year they added Lucifer. This year they wanted to add Jack, so I still think the budget wasn't going to allow for 6 regulars, and maybe Mark didn't want to take a demotion. Who knows. If they truly thought Mark's story had run it's course, so let's introduce an actor no where near Mark's stature and re-play the same stories, then they're idiots. It sounds to me like you guys are saying basically the same thing? The show couldn’t afford to pay for four regulars (I’m not counting J2 who are in a category of their own). @catrox14 is just adding to that and stating they believe Sheppard was let go in order to allow Pellegrino to become a regular since they couldn’t afford both of them? Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: Or as I speculated in the past they increased his per episode pay, but decreased his appearances resulting in Misha seeing no extra money in his bank account. In other words last year he got say $260,000 for eleven episodes instead of $260,000 for 13. Yeah I can see it being a combo of those things. I would be surpised though for Misha to bring in less than 500K for the season especially after 9 seasons. But maybe so. Link to comment
MysteryGuest November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: It sounds to me like you guys are saying basically the same thing? The show couldn’t afford to pay for four regulars (I’m not counting J2 who are in a category of their own). @catrox14 is just adding to that and stating they believe Sheppard was let go in order to allow Pellegrino to become a regular since they couldn’t afford both of them? Pretty much. But weren't Mark P. and Mark S. series regulars at the same time last season? Either way, I think with the addition of Jack as a regular, they had to cut back somewhere. Misha is too popular and he brings a very positive image to the show with all of his charity work. Obviously the J's aren't going anywhere. So that left the two Marks, and since I think Dabb is in love with Mark P., poor Mark S. was odd man out. Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: Pretty much. But weren't Mark P. and Mark S. series regulars at the same time last season? Either way, I think with the addition of Jack as a regular, they had to cut back somewhere. Misha is too popular and he brings a very positive image to the show with all of his charity work. Obviously the J's aren't going anywhere. So that left the two Marks, and since I think Dabb is in love with Mark P., poor Mark S. was odd man out. They did but Mark Pellegrino was only promoted during episode 15 and he only appeared in 5 episodes* as opposed to the 11-13 a regular normally appears in. This is the first season to feature three series regulars for the entire season. Without confirmation we can never truly know whether Sheppard got the cut due to the promotion of Pellegrino or Calvert. I would tend to agree with @catrox14 that he was likely cut for Pellegrino as Lucifer has taken over Crowley’s role in the narrative i.e. the antagonist / frenemy. But as I said none of us are likely to ever truly know. * The character of Lucifer did appear in more than 5 episodes of S12, but he was portrayed by other actors, who as guest stars rather than regulars, would have cost considerably less during those appearances. Edited November 25, 2017 by Wayward Son Link to comment
MysteryGuest November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 I'm really just focusing on the number of series regulars and not who might have replaced whom. I just don't think they were willing to have that many regulars. Maybe Mark had made some noises last season about how unhappy he was with his storyline, so that helped to make their decision. However or whyever it happened, I think it was a big mistake. Mark's a great actor and if they wanted to tone down the frenemy schtick and make him more evil, they could have easily done that, and I think he'd have enjoyed it. 2 Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: I would tend to agree with @catrox14 that he was likely cut for Pellegrino as Lucifer has taken over Crowley’s role in the narrative i.e. the antagonist / frenemy. But as I said none of us are likely to ever truly know. I could be wrong and correct me if I am , @MysteryGuest but I think you think Mark S was dropped for budget regardless of story whereas I think Mark S was dropped for Lucifer specifically. Maybe that's the difference. Or do I have that wrong? Link to comment
MysteryGuest November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 I don't really think so. If he was dropped for story, then why bring in Asmodeus? If they wanted Lucifer to take over the King of Hell role, why hire another actor entirely to do what Mark S. was already doing? That's what I don't get, and that's why I think it was a budget decision. 2 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, catrox14 said: I could be wrong and correct me if I am , @MysteryGuest but I think you think Mark S was dropped for budget regardless of story whereas I think Mark S was dropped for Lucifer specifically. Maybe that's the difference. Or do I have that wrong? 7 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said: I don't really think so. If he was dropped for story, then why bring in Asmodeus? If they wanted Lucifer to take over the King of Hell role, why hire another actor entirely to do what Mark S. was already doing? That's what I don't get, and that's why I think it was a budget decision. I’m gonna reply in the Superacting thread. 1 Link to comment
DittyDotDot November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, catrox14 said: I don't know why Mark is even engaging these folks anymore? I mean, even if he did come out and tell the whole story from his point of view, people are going to believe what they want to believe. Sometimes it's just better to let sleeping dogs lie, if you ask me. Although, there really doesn't seem to be many sleeping dogs when it comes to this fandom, does it? 49 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said: I just found an article, as recently as this past October, that says that Jensen makes 175k but Jared only makes 125k, most likely due to Jensen also directing. This same article also says that Misha makes 20k an episode. I don't know how accurate this information is, by the way. I'm pretty sure Jared and Jensen make the same amount per episode unless it's an episode Jensen is directing. That $175K per episode has been floated around for years now. I remember a discussion over at TWoP back in S8 with that same figure. So, if accurate, that means Jensen--and maybe Jared--hasn't had a raise since S8. Which is interesting. As to Misha's salary, $20K seems to make sense to me. I watched a documentary a year or so ago about character/guest actors and seem to recall some of these really well-known character actors--ones who jump from show to show and don't have regular guest star status on any show--make between $5K and $10K per episode. So it makes sense a recurring actor would make at least double that for an episode. I'm guessing Pelligrino and Sheppard make/made a bit more per episode, though, as they are both are well-known and highly-sought actors. 1 minute ago, MysteryGuest said: I don't really think so. If he was dropped for story, then why bring in Asmodeus? If they wanted Lucifer to take over the King of Hell role, why hire another actor entirely to do what Mark S. was already doing? That's what I don't get, and that's why I think it was a budget decision. Oh, I don't think they are replacing Crowley with Asmodeous--or Lucifer, for that matter. My assessment of Dabb as a writer, and now as a showrunner, is he seems to be full of ideas he wants to play with, but tends to get distracted with new ideas. I think that's just what happened here: They wanted Pellegrino/Lucifer back to get the bizarro Antichrist story, but were struggling with what to do with Crowley and they introduced the new Prince of Hell toy and got a bit sidetracked... . It definitely doesn't look good on them they worked so hard to get Pellegrino back on the show, but then seemed to do nothing to keep Sheppard, but I'm not convinced they were thinking of replacing one with the other, myself. It seems to me it was a perfect storm of things converging at the same time and took the ship unaware. 1 Link to comment
catrox14 November 25, 2017 Share November 25, 2017 Does anyone know where Jared went on vacation?? 6 Link to comment
Casseiopeia November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 17 hours ago, catrox14 said: Does anyone know where Jared went on vacation?? Looks like he's okay. It was a different Jared apparently. 6 Link to comment
SueB November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, catrox14 said: For...beer...science... Jensen's job, in case that whole acting thing doesn't work out. Link to comment
catrox14 November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, SueB said: Jensen's job, in case that whole acting thing doesn't work out. Well, that ship has sailed LOL I mean on the whole acting thing not working out..cause it already has. Sadly, I think Jensen is going to go behind the camera and act only occasionally once the show ends. Link to comment
Wayward Son November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, catrox14 said: Well, that ship has sailed LOL I mean on the whole acting thing not working out..cause it already has. Sadly, I think Jensen is going to go behind the camera and act only occasionally once the show ends. It’s still smart to have a back up plan. Many actors have gone from the leads of successful series one year to struggling to get another role the next. Not saying that’ll happen to Jensen, but it would be foolish for anyone in the acting world to take anything beyond their current acting role for granted. 1 Link to comment
SueB November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 Ya'll know I was joking... right? I'm pretty sure part of the love of the family business brewing company is just to be able to 'make' something. It's not just for the money but a creative outlet. 5 Link to comment
catrox14 November 26, 2017 Share November 26, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Wayward Son said: It’s still smart to have a back up plan. Many actors have gone from the leads of successful series one year to struggling to get another role the next. Not saying that’ll happen to Jensen, but it would be foolish for anyone in the acting world to take anything beyond their current acting role for granted. Huh? I'm not disagreeing that Jensen has this a back up plan. I don't get how you got that of my comment. He probably has enough money for him and his family to live on for the rest of their lives without him working another day in his life but I'm sure that wouldn't satisfy his creative side. That's why I think he might not continue to act but he could definitely direct and he's said he would be happy to direct some Wayward Sisters episodes if it gets picked up. I feel like my comments are being taking all the wrong way today. Maybe I'm taking replies the wrong way. LOL. Sorry for whatever I'm misunderstanding. Edited November 26, 2017 by catrox14 Link to comment
ILoveReading November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 With regards to Jared's antics at the Jensen/Misha panel, I guess it would depend on how a person feels about Jared. The Jared fans seemed to love it and the Jensen/Misha fans thought it was annoying. I was there so this is my perspective. It was annoying to me personally because I had been looking forward to the Jensen/Misha panel the entire weekend. As someone who dislikes prank questions, it was even more annoying that they kept talking about it even after Jared left the stage. I'd heard that story before. It went on far too long. I was lucky enough to get picked for the question line (unfortunately too far back to make the mike), and I can tell you some of the people beside me were getting irritated and were commenting. (I have no idea if they were Sam/Jared, Misha/Cas or Dean/Jensen fans). Several kept looking at their watches. I felt bad for the first person who got to ask a question. Jared was extremely rude (my opinion) in playing the keyboards while she was trying to ask. He did this while she was talking. Having a side view, Jensen got up and looked annoyed. I'm saying this because I saw him turn off the key board, which is why Jared moved to drums. The shenigans went on for so long and got off topic they never actually addressed her question. I felt bad for her. Fans pay a lot of money, and if your lucky enough to get to the mike, to have that happen, I hope she complained to creation. Because of his antics the con was delayed 15 minutes, which threw off other events. Misha had Castiel ops which were running late, and people were worried they miss their Jared and Jensen autos because of it. I was in line behind someone who said he would have to chose between Jared and Jensen becasue he was had to catch a flight and didn't have time becasue of the delay. (Thankfully creation let him jump to the front of the line.). Jared did all this knowing Jensen also had to catch a commercial flight right after the con. So his autos were more rushed then normal. So I personally didn't find it funny at all. 14 Link to comment
Wayward Son November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, ILoveReading said: With regards to Jared's antics at the Jensen/Misha panel, I guess it would depend on how a person feels about Jared. The Jared fans seemed to love it and the Jensen/Misha fans thought it was annoying. I was there so this is my perspective. It was annoying to me personally because I had been looking forward to the Jensen/Misha panel the entire weekend. As someone who dislikes prank questions, it was even more annoying that they kept talking about it even after Jared left the stage. I'd heard that story before. It went on far too long. I was lucky enough to get picked for the question line (unfortunately too far back to make the mike), and I can tell you some of the people beside me were getting irritated and were commenting. (I have no idea if they were Sam/Jared, Misha/Cas or Dean/Jensen fans). Several kept looking at their watches. I felt bad for the first person who got to ask a question. Jared was extremely rude (my opinion) in playing the keyboards while she was trying to ask. He did this while she was talking. Having a side view, Jensen got up and looked annoyed. I'm saying this because I saw him turn off the key board, which is why Jared moved to drums. The shenigans went on for so long and got off topic they never actually addressed her question. I felt bad for her. Fans pay a lot of money, and if your lucky enough to get to the mike, to have that happen, I hope she complained to creation. Because of his antics the con was delayed 15 minutes, which threw off other events. Misha had Castiel ops which were running late, and people were worried they miss their Jared and Jensen autos because of it. I was in line behind someone who said he would have to chose between Jared and Jensen becasue he was had to catch a flight and didn't have time becasue of the delay. (Thankfully creation let him jump to the front of the line.). Jared did all this knowing Jensen also had to catch a commercial flight right after the con. So his autos were more rushed then normal. So I personally didn't find it funny at all. Thanks for sharing your perspective. It is always interesting to hear from someone who was actually there :) 1 Link to comment
catrox14 November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, ILoveReading said: Jared did all this knowing Jensen also had to catch a commercial flight right after the con. So his autos were more rushed then normal Well that sucks. :( 3 Link to comment
RulerofallIsurvey November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 5 hours ago, ILoveReading said: Jared did all this knowing Jensen also had to catch a commercial flight right after the con. Are you sure Jared knew Jensen's personal itinerary? Jared might have known Jensen had a flight to catch after the con, but not the exact time of departure. I'm not making excuses for his overall behavior, but this seems like you are inferring it was deliberate sabotage, and I just can't imagine that's the case. 3 Link to comment
catrox14 November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said: Are you sure Jared knew Jensen's personal itinerary? Jared might have known Jensen had a flight to catch after the con, but not the exact time of departure. I'm not making excuses for his overall behavior, but this seems like you are inferring it was deliberate sabotage, and I just can't imagine that's the case. I didn't take the comment as implying it was deliberate. It sounded more to me like Jared just didn't think about how what he was doing was going to affect everyone else down the line but not deliberate more just thoughtless. But that's just my take on the post. ETA: I think they probably do know approximately when they each travel given how much of their time is together at cons. 6 Link to comment
gonzosgirrl November 27, 2017 Share November 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, catrox14 said: I didn't take the comment as implying it was deliberate. It sounded more to me like Jared just didn't think about how what he was doing was going to affect everyone else down the line but not deliberate more just thoughtless. But that's just my take on the post. ETA: I think they probably do know approximately when they each travel given how much of their time is together at cons. Exactly. I'd call it more careless disregard than any malice of forethought. Maybe he just didn't realize they would run the full thirty minute panel no matter how much time he took up. 3 Link to comment
Diane November 28, 2017 Share November 28, 2017 I am pretty sure Jared, Jensen, Orsic, Matt, his wife and a couple other people had their picture taken at Pearl Harbor on Monday. I will try to find the post tomorrow. Link to comment
Casseiopeia November 28, 2017 Share November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Diane said: I am pretty sure Jared, Jensen, Orsic, Matt, his wife and a couple other people had their picture taken at Pearl Harbor on Monday. I will try to find the post tomorrow. 2 Link to comment
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