S13.E07: War of the Worlds

[Diane]

THE RACE IS ON TO FIND JACK – As Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) continue their search for Jack (Alexander Calvert), with Asmodeus (guest star Jeffrey Vincent Parise) hot on their trail, they stumble across a familiar foe. Meanwhile, Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) manages to escape Michael’s (guest star Christian Keyes) grasp and finds himself an unlikely and mostly unwilling ally. Writer: Brad Bucknerand Eugenie Ross-Leming Director:Richard Speight Jr.

[Pondlass1]

Can't wait...

[sarthaz]

An episode on Thanksgiving?  Heart.

[shoetingstar]

11 hours ago, sarthaz said:

An episode on Thanksgiving?  Heart.

I'm actually happy about this. Something to look forward to during my Turkey coma.

Edited November 23, 2017 by shoetingstar

[catrox14]

 

I'm just gonna pretend these are turkducken sandwiches since it's Thanksgiving and all.

[gonzosgirrl]

34 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

 

I'm just gonna pretend these are turkducken sandwiches since it's Thanksgiving and all.

Just don't piss 'em off! :)

[catrox14]

Oh my gods. That was a shit show.

Ketch? Really??? Show ??? REALLLLY???

Asmodeus is more powerful than Lucifer???

Fuck Buck Lemming.

Dean and Sam are stupid throughout the episode but at least Dean knew Ketch was Ketch but seriously, they didn't consider shapeshifter at fucking ALL.

 

[Katy M]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Dean and Sam are stupid throughout the episode but at least Dean knew Ketch was Ketch but seriously, they didn't consider shapeshifter at fucking ALL.

I'm sure they tested him with silver and holy water. They just didn't show it.

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Asmodeus is more powerful than Lucifer???

Well, he is missing half or more of his grace.

I hate AUs.  I hate Ketch.  I like AU Kevin.

[bettername2come]

Aw, Ketch is back? Well, he's less annoying here and he looks better with the beard. But he is not a character I needed to see on my screen ever again, unlike...

Kevin! Kevin! Not my Kevin, but still a perfectly fine Kevin with a haircut I don't hate. "I'm sorry, aren't you Satan?" Can new Kevin meet new Bobby? I should get something out of this new world.

I've grown bored with Lucifer, but I'm glad Rowena's potentially alive. She's delightful with fantastic taste in dresses.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I'm sure they tested him with silver and holy water. They just didn't show it.

Sorry but since they didn't show it, I'm going with they didn't do it.

He's missing his grace but I still hate it. And sorry but trying to make Lucifer sympathetic...nope doesn't work on me. 

This was an awful episode. Terribly pacing. Everything over stuffed.

HUGE let down after 13.5 and 13.6 

I hate Buck Lemming. Fire them please.

[Pondlass1]

Nothing made any sense.  

[Katy M]

Just now, Pondlass1 said:

Nothing made any sense.  

That's not true.  two things made sense.  

1. Kevin pointing out to Lucifer that he really shouldn't be calling anyone else evil.

2. Dean emphatically denying that Ketch could be a good guy.

[ZennyKenny]

I'm 10 minutes in. I swear to Chuck if they brought Kevin back just to have him killed again before the end of the episode, somebody's getting stabbed with an angel blade!

[Pondlass1]

Maybe next week Dean gets out of the shower and jokes with Sam that he had this crazy dream....

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, Katy M said:

That's not true.  two things made sense.  

1. Kevin pointing out to Lucifer that he really shouldn't be calling anyone else evil.

2. Dean emphatically denying that Ketch could be a good guy.

That's fair.

[Katy M]

Wait, I thought of one other thing I liked about this epi.  When Sam told Dean not to worry about Cas because he told him not to do anything stupid.  Tht was funny.

[Lady Calypso]

Yeah, that was....not great. I found it downright boring at parts.

I barely even remember Ketch, let alone care that he's been brought back to life. The only part that piqued my interest was the fact that Rowena could definitely be alive in a new body. Now it makes me question if the witch in this episode was Rowena. But yeah, I'm super glad Dean got to be right about him. 

AU Kevin! Hello! I cheered when I saw him appear. And he was pretty fun. 

Lucifer makes me yawn, but I really liked that Castiel had a one-up on him. I mean, Jack likes Cas more, so that has to hurt Lucifer's ego a little bit. Also, I like that Cas really was going to tell Dean the truth before he was caught and then captured by Asmodeus. 

Seriously, though. Not much was in this that I liked, besides Cas trying to be honest before, yet again, he gets whisked away from anything Winchester, and is now stuck with Southern Mumbly Man, and Lucifer With Barely Any Grace. Is it too hard for Cas to spend more than a couple of episodes with the Winchesters, instead of being stuck in boring plots that I don't like? 

[catrox14]

19 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Also, I like that Cas really was going to tell Dean the truth before he was caught and then captured by Asmodeus. 

I don't understand why Cas didn't just shout "Lucifer is out of the Rift!". Like what difference would it have made? If Lucifer wants to find Jack he needs Castiel.

[Jeddah]

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

I just want to say that Southerners do not sound like Asmodeus. Trust me, y’all. The actor is trying, bless his heart, but that accent just gets worse every time I hear it.

Kevin! I still miss our Kevin, but I loved seeing Osiric again.

As for Ketch: Why? Why is he back? I would have been okay with Mick, but Ketch? No. I avoid spoilers, so that did surprise me. And not in a good way.

How convenient that the portal was open just long enough for Lucifer to slip through!

I really want Rowena back. She deserved a better ending than the one she got. This episode made me hopeful that we’ll see her again.

I liked that Dean was not buying it with Ketch. And it was in character that Sam would be the one who wanted to believe this was a different, not evil Ketch. Obviously Ketch didn’t deserve a hunter’s funeral, but did they really just dump his body last season?

I also liked Dean wanting to go with Cas. Cas should have let him. Bad things happen when he goes off alone. Team Free Will is better together. Cas should know that by now.

[Lady Calypso]

2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I don't understand why Cas didn't just shout "Lucifer is out of the Rift!". Like what difference would it have made? If Lucifer wants to find Jack he needs Castiel.

Yeah, that was dumb. I admire Cas was going to be honest for once, but it still failed spectacularly, all because they want this Big Dramatic Reveal of Cas working with Lucifer at some point, most likely. 

[MysteryGuest]

It was great to see Kevin, but he looks a lot different to me.  Something about his eyes seems different.  I couldn't quite figure it out.  It could just be that he's older now and just doesn't look like a kid anymore.  I'm glad that even in the AU, he's still basically the same guy.  

I have to say, I did not see the return of Ketch coming.  Was he really that popular last season?  I for one was glad when they killed him.  And I'm sorry, but the bullshit retcon of how he knew Rowena first and had the same magic spell in his leg was almost laugh-out-loud funny.  It would be bad enough if Rowena uses the same trick to come back again, but for Ketch to use it is completely ridiculous.  What exactly do they need Ketch for anyway?  They don't have enough bad guys around with Michael, Lucifer and Evil Colonel Sanders (that line did make me laugh, but please can we have Crowley back)?  

So the angels are in danger of becoming extinct?  How exactly is Jack supposed to re-populate Heaven?  

This one sure had a lot going on, but none of it was terribly interesting.  And I wasn't quite sure what to make of next week's preview.  

Edited November 24, 2017 by MysteryGuest

[Bergamot]

Just now, MysteryGuest said:

This one sure had a lot going on, but none of it was terribly interesting.

Yes! So many different bad guys -- Asmodeus, Michael, Lucifer, the angels, Ketch. So much scheming and maneuvering and torturing. So much going on -- and so little that I cared about.

You could take out the supernatural elements and make this a story about organized crime families and their bosses, all fighting each other for power and control, and you wouldn't have to change much. But that is not what I watch the show for.

[catrox14]

I will say this. There will be some damn poetic symmetry if Dean saves Cas from Perdition. And Sam leaves Lucifer in Hell. That's the ONLY way this whole stupid thing will work

5 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I have to say, I did not see the return of Ketch coming.  Was he really that popular last season?  I for one was glad when they killed him.  And I'm sorry, but the bullshit retcon of how he knew Rowena first and had the same magic spell in his leg was almost laugh-out-loud funny.

OMG yes I forgot to mention that. What a fucking crock? So in all that time Sam never found out about their connection or nor that Rowena bothered to mention it?  Buck Lemming are awful.

6 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

So the angels are in danger of becoming extinct?  How exactly is Jack supposed to re-populate Heaven?  

Maybe the angels are willing to breed an entire nephilim race. I mean shit why not? Buck Lemming already got the ball rolling with the grossness of the non con conception of Jack. They'll probably just non con him with other angels or even enslaved humans.

[Binns]

Ok rough episode but I’m hoping someone comes through with a gif of Dean “WOO”ing and adjusting his shirt bc I rewound that four times on the DVR. Smoking hot. 

[Katy M]

20 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

OMG yes I forgot to mention that. What a fucking crock? So in all that time Sam never found out about their connection or nor that Rowena bothered to mention it?  Buck Lemming are awful.

Actually, that doesn't particularly bother me.  Why would Rowena mention it?  They're not actually friends.  I don't think they mentioned the BMOL to her either.  And, if they captured her and she escaped a few years ago, why would that come up on the other side.  Sam (or Dean) couldn't have possibly known about every witch, shifter, demon, etc that the BMOL had contact with, had capture, tortured or escaped from them.

[ahrtee]

19 minutes ago, Bergamot said:

You could take out the supernatural elements and make this a story about organized crime families and their bosses, all fighting each other for power and control, and you wouldn't have to change much.

Or, or, you could make this about a family of werewolves and a family of shapeshifters, living in, say, Chicago, all fighting each other for power and control.....

Oh.  

[ZennyKenny]

On 11/23/2017 at 7:56 PM, catrox14 said:

I will say this. There will be some damn poetic symmetry if Dean saves Cas from Perdition. And Sam leaves Lucifer in Hell. That's the ONLY way this whole stupid thing will work

Duuuuuuude. I LIKE the way you think! 

 

Also I just have to say:

> anyone even REMOTELY related to the British Men Of Letters coming back, ever

> EVER

> EHHHHHHHHHVEEEEEERRRRRRRR

NO.

[nightwing877]

I'm shocked Ketch is back. *sigh* I was happy  and satisfied with how he died, and the British men of letters arc ended. So looks like Mary once she comes back will have to face him again. We already have Lucifer around, why does the show keep overusing it's villains. A reason I appreciate the first 4 seasons, YED and Lilith stayed dead.

Nice to see Kevin back in the AU, I'm hoping he is the first and many other familiar faces show up e.g Abaddon, Rufus, Ellen, Jo etc. 

I wonder if Rowena is actually alive. She deserves a much better death than the last one, So maybe third times the charm for her to stay dead if she happened to return. We'll see. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by nightwing877

[catrox14]

29 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Actually, that doesn't particularly bother me.  Why would Rowena mention it?  They're not actually friends.  I don't think they mentioned the BMOL to her either.  And, if they captured her and she escaped a few years ago, why would that come up on the other side.  Sam (or Dean) couldn't have possibly known about every witch, shifter, demon, etc that the BMOL had contact with, had capture, tortured or escaped from them.

Because Rowena was frienemies with the boys and she had to have know the BMOL was killing witches? Why wouldn't she have brought it up?

[MysteryGuest]

22 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Actually, that doesn't particularly bother me.  Why would Rowena mention it?  They're not actually friends.  I don't think they mentioned the BMOL to her either.

It just struck me as being completely contrived.  I don't know why they were so desperate to bring Ketch back to begin with.  If they thought they wanted him around again this year, then why even bother to kill him last season? And if they just decided this season to bring him back, the question still stands...why?  Just how many bad guys do we need on the board?  

If Rowena is truly coming back, then the only death from last season that will actually have stuck is Crowley's.  Everyone else was either brought back or never really died to begin with.  So if that was their intention, then why not let Mark S. have a good send off?  Why overshadow his death by killing everyone else off, only to bring them all back?   

[catrox14]

Ketch's resurrection is bullshit. As much as I dislike Mary, she had a well fucking deserved win by her killing Ketch and now they've just undone that. Fuck you, Buck Lemming.

[Res]

Well, that was disappointing, just like I knew a BL script would be. Only thing good about it was Dean and his certainity that Ketch was, you know, Ketch. And that he got to smack Ketch around some. That was definitely good. Can't say the same about the second fight with the stunt demons because that was so choppy and dark, I couldn't really tell what was going on.

Oh, yeah, and I ABSOLUTELY HATE AUs like this. 

Also, UO, didn't really care that there was an AU Kevin but never really cared for the original Kevin either.

Edited November 24, 2017 by Res

[catrox14]

Pretty convenient that the show let's Lucifer get out on his own thus avoiding the important dilemma of not opening the rift to get Mary because of the risk of letting out Lucifer. Chicken shit writers. No good reason to not open the Rift now unless it's universe altering.

I am on Team AU!Michael with his plan to keep Lucifer in the cage for all eternity and torturing him. I'm like seriously on board with that. So that's a good thing about the episode.

[Katy M]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

No good reason to not open the Rift now unless it's universe altering.

Except for Michael who seems to be just as evil.  As Lucifer pointed out, he appears to be the one who let that Universe get into that shape.

[ahrtee]

Um...I guess I didn't hate it as much as others here, but that's probably because I wasn't paying a lot of attention.  Honestly, I was sitting here and watching, not doing anything else, and I still apparently missed whole chunks of plot--and there certainly was a lot of it.  

About what I do remember:  

1.  Torture porn.  I hate it hate it hate it.  There was no reason for it, especially spending so much time on it (I think that's one of the times I blanked out...I can't remember anything between Kevin showing up and babbling something about rifts (I think) and Luci winding up back in our world, being mistaken for a homeless person.  

2.  I did think Dean was being smarter than they've been writing him lately--he's the one who found the case, who identified the "ritual" stuff next to the body, and who figured out that Ketch wasn't a twin (though I think part of that was his refusing to accept it at all and so he was looking for anything to prove it.)  He also didn't stuff anything into his mouth or trip over anything, so I count that a win.  But they really need a better way to get them to take on cases instead of the same old, "... is in the wind/what are we supposed to do?  Just wait around?/We can't do anything about that right now, so I found us a job..."  I did come back to consciousness tonight long enough to giggle at that.

3. Way too many villains and no heroes?  And in the immortal words of Dean:  "No more doornails coming out of that door, is there?"  And as others have mentioned already, why those particular doornails?  There are so many others I'd rather see.

4. If Ketch is on the run from the BMoL, did I miss why?  Because I'd think if they wanted to come back to America and get revenge on someone, it would be the Winchesters, who wiped out their whole crew, instead of one guy whose only offense (I think) was failing to die.  I'm hoping I missed something.  

5.  I honestly couldn't tell demons from angels any more (except for the playground set, which answers the question I asked last week about whether Chuck reopened Heaven's front door so they wouldn't have to keep going through a sandbox.)  Wouldn't some kids or their parents call the cops on all those neatly-dressed adults standing around a playground (much less magically appearing/disappearing?)   Where the heck is that playground, anyway?  

6.  An awful lot of stupidity just to get the plot where they want it...Ketch's magic insert thanks to Rowena, Lucifer being all chummy with Cas, Cas being stupid about cellphones (really?  If he wanted to call Dean, why not go outside or into the men's room?  And why should he be afraid of Luci now that he's powered down?  Any why can't anyone find Jack (except, well, plot...)?

7. I think I need a scorecard to figure out who's doing what and why.  On the other hand, I don't really care.  

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Except for Michael who seems to be just as evil.  As Lucifer pointed out, he appears to be the one who let that Universe get into that shape.

Except Sam and Dean don't know about Michael existing in the AU.

[Katy M]

44 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Except Sam and Dean don't know about Michael existing in the AU.

Well, they also don't know that Lucifer is out, so they still have that incentive of not opening the AU.  When they find out Lucifer is out, they will probably also find out about Michael.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Well, they also don't know that Lucifer is out, so they still have that incentive of not opening the AU.  When they find out Lucifer is out, they will probably also find out about Michael.

True.

[gonzosgirrl]

2 hours ago, Katy M said:

That's not true.  two things made sense.  

1. Kevin pointing out to Lucifer that he really shouldn't be calling anyone else evil.

2. Dean emphatically denying that Ketch could be a good guy.

And both the guys fought well. Dean punching Ketch in face repeatedly was satisfying. Other than that, I got nothing. However I'd like to purchase whatever drugs it is the folks who spewed this episode are on. There is literally nothing left on this show that you can count on. Nobody is ever really dead. Rowena was once a prisoner of the BMOL? Ketch had her magic leg spell? Oh well, at least we can count on Cas to make the most foolish choices possible. There is that.

[catrox14]

[CluelessDrifter]

8 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Because Rowena was frienemies with the boys and she had to have know the BMOL was killing witches? Why wouldn't she have brought it up?

Didn't she bring up the BMoL in Regarding Dean?  I remember, because I thought they'd use it to bring her more on board last season and didn't.  Let me see if I can find it.

ROWENA: Once, a beautiful witch was, again, run out of her homeland by those pompous, self-righteous, murderous hooligans. You know them as the British Men of Letters. 

She doesn't say she was captured, but there's some room there to make it work if you want to see it.

[Bergamot]

10 hours ago, catrox14 said:

I don't understand why Cas didn't just shout "Lucifer is out of the Rift!". Like what difference would it have made? If Lucifer wants to find Jack he needs Castiel.

For that matter, why didn't Cas just grab his phone back from Lucifer and finish talking to Dean? I mean, considering that ordinary humans on the street could just brush past Lucifer, what was he going to do to Cas? And if Cas knew that Lucifer was weak but was unsure how weak he was, why didn't he push a little to find out? Cas was so passive. If he felt he needed to hear what he had to say, he could have tried to trap him somehow, maybe with holy oil or even physically, called the Winchesters to let them know that Lucifer was back, and THEN chatted with him, instead of joining him at a booth at a nearby bar so they could talk things over. (I'm also wondering why Cas didn't ask about Mary; maybe he didn't know that Mary went with Lucifer into the rift, although it is hard to believe that Dean and Sam would not have mentioned it.)

Did I hear Cas tell Lucifer he was sorry about stabbing him? Seriously? I guess the show wants us to view them as a cute couple. And I guess we are supposed to find Lucifer's pride in his son charming? I cannot even express how over Lucifer I am on this show; I have been over him for years, but here he is, still being forced down our throats.

I am afraid that AU Michael is going to be another disappointment. I thought the show might do something interesting with him, but he is just one more thug who enjoys torturing and wants to take over the world. Why couldn't they give him some interesting motivations or at least a personality?

[MysteryGuest]

As usual, I'll watch the show a 2nd time without commercials and see if my opinion changes.  I won't say that I hated it, but I'm not sure I liked it, either.  I think mainly I'm confused as to why they're doing what they're doing.

They have managed to do one thing that I didn't think was possible after last season.  That season was pretty much ruined for me because of all of the Lucifer love.  I was praying they'd kill him off, but of course, they didn't.  But they've actually found a way to make Lucifer tolerable for me, and that's by giving us someone who's even harder to stomach...Asmodeus.  I'm not sure what it is about him...accent, bad acting, white suit, but I have disliked him from the very first scene.  And not in an "ooh he's a scary demon and I'm so afraid" kind of way, but in a "this is the worst characterization ever" kind of way.  I mourn the loss of Crowley every time he's on the screen.

And bringing back Ketch is another head scratcher.  So Asmodeus needs an evil henchman?  And I know Ketch was a son of a bitch, but is he really supposed to be more evil then actual demons from Hell?  And while I'm bitching, since when do the Winchesters just randomly throw dead bodies around?  They'd have had a bonfire and toasted marshmallows over Ketch's pyre last season, not just idly dumped him into a creek, or wherever the hell they put him.  That was just stupid.  I know the BMOL were supposedly sent packing, but there are still regular humans who live on the planet and would encounter said dead body.  Why leave any trace of him?  

I didn't realize this one was directed by Richard.  I'm kind of surprised.  

[Katy M]

9 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

 They'd have had a bonfire and toasted marshmallows over Ketch's pyre last season, not just idly dumped him into a creek, or wherever the hell they put him.

I'd say they were a little busy, but I'm not sure they were. They seemed to be just sitting around the bunker the next day until they thought of calling Rowena.    But, that does raise another weird point.  When Bobby decapitated Chet, he buried the body and had Jodie throw the head into the river on her way out of town.  Wouldn't it have been smart to burn levi remains.  Seems like it would be hard for them to reconstitute from that.

One possibility is that they always call burning a human body a "hunter's funeral."  They may have felt like Ketch didn't deserve the honor.  In Jump the Shark when they were burning Adam's body, dean said something along the lines of that he went out like a hunter, so he deserved a hunter's funeral.  

[MysteryGuest]

7 minutes ago, Katy M said:

One possibility is that they always call burning a human body a "hunter's funeral."  They may have felt like Ketch didn't deserve the honor.  In Jump the Shark when they were burning Adam's body, dean said something along the lines of that he went out like a hunter, so he deserved a hunter's funeral.

I suppose, but it still feels like sloppy work to me.  I know they didn't respect him, but why leave him around for someone else to find?  And if they had this resurrection in mind from the get go, then again, just let him escape.  

Whoever mentioned above that Rowena talked about the BMOL to Dean is correct.  I remember that now.  But it still doesn't make the convenience of Ketch's having the same witches spell in his leg any less contrived to me.  And if we do see Rowena again this season, will she have survived using the same trick?  If that's the case, then let's give one to everyone!

Edited November 24, 2017 by MysteryGuest

[Pondlass1]

Too much happening - and none of it making much sense.  The NepDuo always crowd out their writing with so much going on.  They should stick to one supernatural event and try to write that well instead of packing the episode out with just 'stuff'.  These people should be writing for Saturday morning kids' adventure shows, not adult series. 

 And don't get me started on the comings & goings at the bunker - I keep saying they should put a Starbucks in that front lobby for all the visitors.  And, Sam... Dean would've checked all cavities for lock picks or at least have shackled Ketch so that he couldn't reach said cavities.  

And Passive Cas not telling S&D that Luci is out when he had them on the phone.... I mean...wouldn't that be the first thing he'd say?  I was yelling with frustration at the stupidity.  

Anyway, Dean looked HOT.    Dean was the smart one.  2 points for that.

Edited November 24, 2017 by Pondlass1

[ahrtee]

5 minutes ago, Katy M said:

One possibility is that they always call burning a human body a "hunter's funeral."  They may have felt like Ketch didn't deserve the honor.  In Jump the Shark when they were burning Adam's body, dean said something along the lines of that he went out like a hunter, so he deserved a hunter's funeral.  

They could just call it a "salt and burn."  They do that for ghosts ...they actually salt and burn the (human) body.   In theory, it's for anyone/thing they don't want coming back.  IMO it's only an honor if they build a pyre.  

1 minute ago, MysteryGuest said:

Whoever mentioned above that Rowena talked about the BMOL to Dean is correct.  I remember that now.  But it still doesn't make convenience of Ketch's having the same witches spell in his leg any less contrived to me.  And if we do see Rowena again this season, will she have survived using the same trick?  If that's the case, then let's give one to everyone!

Didn't Rowena tell Dean about the BMoL in Regarding Dean, and only because she figured he wouldn't remember it?  But IA about the stupidity of Rowena giving Ketch her resurrection spell.

[DeeDee79]

4 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

But IA about the stupidity of Rowena giving Ketch her resurrection spell.

That sounds just as stupid as Crowley giving Ketch a hellhound. Oh, show...why??? Why Ketch of all people? *cries*

Edited November 24, 2017 by DeeDee79

[DittyDotDot]

STAB THE DEVIL IN HIS FACE, CASS!!! NOW, WHILE HE'S VULNERABLE! No? Gonna just tell him everything he wants to know instead? Gotcha.

Lots of stupid--and lots of plot--in this one, but that is to be expected from the Horrible Duo. 

BTW, I figured we weren't actually done with the Brits, just never expected to see Ketch again. I don't buy him letting Rowena escape no matter what she gave him...Whatever.

Ah, well, Kevin was fun. The thing with Bobby last season didn't really excite me much because he wasn't our Bobby, but he wasn't enough different either. Kevin might be the one thing the Horrible Duo got right. "I'm a vertebrate, neither an annelid nor a nematode." Hee!

Oh, and, I knew Rowena was alive--witches who have resurrection spells in their leg are not that easy to kill! 

11 hours ago, Jeddah said:

I just want to say that Southerners do not sound like Asmodeus. Trust me, y’all. The actor is trying, bless his heart, but that accent just gets worse every time I hear it.

To be fair, I don't think he's trying to do an honest-to-Chuck Southern accent, just old fashioned good 'ol boy one. 

[catrox14]

I watched this again. It is stupid no matter what. It's plot plot plot over character and plot plot plot over logic. There are ways to write for plot twists without ignoring continuity, canon, and characterization.

The first time I watched I was so aggravated by the episode and Cas being stupid for  no good reason again, that I didn't  see how really stupid the writing was all the way around but Ketchs rwsureion is idiotic. 

The best hunters in  the world don't  do Hunters 101 which is a salt and burn. so it doesn't  come bacck as vengeful spirit or a revenant? And considering Ketch was enemy 101 leaving that to chance was fucking stooopid. Why not have Ketch come back as a revenant just to remind them that they still need to do the basics.? /headdesk

They didn't have to put Ketch on a damn prye . . Remember when they would dig a grave and then do a slat and burn and bury the cremains ? Didn't they burn Hitler r and the other Nazis?

What did they do with all the bodies slaughtered at the BMoL? Did Jody make them disappear? Why didn't they call Jody to dispose of Ketch? Does this mean LadybIhFuckShesProbabkyNotDeadEither shows up or is it only the women who get to stay dead, well besides the one woman who should have stayed dead as in Mary.

Edited November 24, 2017 by catrox14