Wayward Sisters Spoilers and Speculations

[Hanahope]

I've not been a fan of Claire, but I like Jo and Donna, so willing to give this a go.  They should bring back the girl who's dad was a hunter, the one who killed the two vampires.

[catrox14]

55 minutes ago, bozodegama said:

oes anyone know if they've talked about what kind of music they're going to have on Wayward Sisters if it's picked up?  I'm gonna be pissed if it isn't classic rock.  

I'm the opposite. I'm gonna be pissed if it IS classic rock. Let it be alternative rock or new wave or something more contemporary for the girls in that age range. Let them have their own music tastes :).

Also, I really did love the score in The Bad Place especially the drone scenes when the boys were driving to wherever they were going. And the score during the chase scene onto the boat. It felt big and like a movie and it worked for those moments. I hope SPN keeps that score since it was technically an SPN episode and not the back door official pilot.

[bozodegama]

6 hours ago, catrox14 said:

I'm the opposite. I'm gonna be pissed if it IS classic rock. Let it be alternative rock or new wave or something more contemporary for the girls in that age range. Let them have their own music tastes :).

Also, I really did love the score in The Bad Place especially the drone scenes when the boys were driving to wherever they were going. And the score during the chase scene onto the boat. It felt big and like a movie and it worked for those moments. I hope SPN keeps that score since it was technically an SPN episode and not the back door official pilot.

I imagine they’ll keep jay Gruska and Chris lennertz sp?.  Those guys are great with Deans theme and the violin music and scoring the episodes.  I do think that if they don’t use classic rock they will lose a lot of male viewers over 40 which they may not care about. Jody did say that Claire and Alex went to a Radiohead concert to be angsty, which is weird because most classic Radiohead albums are from the late 90’s.  There is very little alt rock on the billboard charts and new wave is 30 years old..  It’s almost all hip hop and diva music in pop music these days  But they are young women and haven’t been in the car with John Winchester for 20 years so they def don’t know any rock music. maybe they’ll be singing Taylor Swift or Beyonce songs.  If Deans in that car, he’s throwing those cd’s out the window.

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, bozodegama said:

 If Deans in that car, he’s throwing those cd’s out the window.

Hey Dean didn't switch the station from Taylor Swift in About a Boy LOL. 

I'm just saying I want the music to be different. I feel like they've already co opted a lot of SPN storylines and taglines etc to launch the spinoff. Let them keep the music as a distinguishing factor.

[DittyDotDot]

18 hours ago, bozodegama said:

Does anyone know if they've talked about what kind of music they're going to have on Wayward Sisters if it's picked up?  I'm gonna be pissed if it isn't classic rock.  I realize they can't do a lot of Seger, Zeppelin, Hendrix etc..  That's kind of a Dean thing (Dean likes Seger more than anyone I know).  But I don't think i can deal with a lot (or any) of hip hop or diva music.  I think that might appeal to the young women audience they're trying to reach but not to a baby boomer like me. I really don't care if they go with softer rock, like playing Fleetwood Mac's Landslide, Joan Jett would be cool (Reputation would be a good song for Claire or Kaia), even the Dixie Chicks. But please no hip hop.

Perhaps they'll do more of a blending of musical genres if the show gets picked up? That would be cool and open up a lot more possibilities. TBH, I'm guessing their soundtrack won't be something that stands out like Supernatural's did back in the day, but I would be surprised if they stick with the classic rock. For one, that was Kripke's thing and, for two, I think they'll want to make sure the new show stands on it's own and that's an easy way to make it different than Supernatural.

[catrox14]

Supernatural’: Jared Padalecki, Jensen Ackles, & Briana Buckmaster Preview the ‘Wayward Sisters’ Spinoff

http://collider.com/supernatural-wayward-sisters-explained-jared-padalecki-jensen-ackles-interview/#briana-buckmaster

I'm putting this here because the episodes are in SPN proper but also kind of about the tone of the WS episode. So I just don't really know where it should go so I'm putting it here and in the main spoiler thread

 

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QUESTION: What do you think about bringing a female-led show to the Supernatural universe?

BUCKMASTER: I think it’s part of what’s growing in media right now, is having women storytelling, and telling things from their point of view. I think in general in life it’s something that I certainly was looking forward to and am excited about, is telling a story from a woman’s point of view and from Donna’s point of view. I think what it’s going to add to Supernatural is, it’s going to give the fandom, which is in a large part female-based, an opportunity to feel like they’re telling the story and an opportunity to relate to these characters. I think it’s going to make them feel more involved and it’s going to get them more excited about the show, if that’s humanly possible.

Tonally, how does it compare to Supernatural?

BUCKMASTER: I think that it’s very similar in tone. I wouldn’t say that it’s a drastic change, other than it literally is coming from a female point of view. I don’t think that in tone it’s really significantly changed. The stories are still in the same vein of Supernatural, so I don’t think it’s going to be this huge shift for the fans. I think it’s going to be just slightly heightened.

What can you tell us about the other new character and the interactions between Patience and the new character?

BUCKMASTER: Well, Jody as we know has been taking in these wayward girls and helping them in a situation where some of them are finding that they’re parent-less or without leaders in their life. My character is there to assist Jody in a way, and Patience. I just watched that episode actually a couple of days ago. Clark Backo is such a great, wonderful actress and I think Patience is the perfect addition because she comes from a different background than a lot of the women. A lot of the women come from rougher beginnings and Patience was raised at a little bit of a higher class. It will be interesting to see what that character brings, or learns even.

The new character coming in, I’m not sure how much I can say without giving away stuff, so I’m not going to. But she is going to be unlike any of the characters in a really exciting way — a brand new way that has so many opportunities for the actress, for the character, and for all the characters around her.

It’s interesting to see your character’s evolution.

BUCKMASTER: Donna has such a special place in my heart. It’s going to be such a huge — knock on wood — part of my life, and is currently. When I got cast in that role, it was a very small role. It wasn’t even a guest star role at the time, and I was very excited to play a character that had this fun accent and had this kind of complex storyline about being the leader and sheriff of a town but also really insecure, feeling like her husband’s left her. There’s lots going on there. And over the past couple of years she’s developed strengths in new areas that teach her to grow and areas she thought that she was weak. So what a great thing for me as a human person and me as an actress to get to learn through Donna about what we can do though hardships.

This episode that I’m working on now goes even further into the character, what she’s going through, what she’s capable of, and what she’s going to do moving forward. I’m more excited about this script than I’ve probably been about anything for my specific character. I think what’s great about Donna is she’s very relatable in that way. She’s just kind of a regular woman, having regular, everyday insecurities that we all have, and watching her succeed though that and knowing that we all can succeed though that.

Can you talk about the episode you’re filming?

BUCKMASTER: This episode is about Donna’s niece who goes missing, and she’s very close to her niece, so it’s a situation that she doesn’t feel is necessary to get help for, but she is desperate. I think that for an episode that Donna has previously been in, it’s very different. She’s usually kind of funny and bright and sunny, and she’s not in this episode. She is haunted, she is broken, she is vacant, she is lost, because she has lost this woman who’s like a daughter to her. It is an intense, dark, creepy episode. I don’t want to give too much away but for me, it’s a darker episode than I’ve ever been a part of and you see what she’s willing to go through moving forward.

How does your relationship with the Winchesters evolve?

BUCKMASTER: I think it grows because we now have a stronger connection. I think when they first met Donna they felt a need to protect her in a way. And they did but they also taught her ways to protect herself and to protect others which made her stronger. **

As that grows, I think she is creating a bond with the Winchesters because they’re all hunters now. They’re the king hunters and she’s growing under them. I think that brings them a sense of pride and also gives them an ally. I think that relationship is just going to keep growing stronger.

Early in Supernatural, fans were resistant to female characters. When do you think there was a shift?

BUCKMASTER: I don’t know. I wasn’t around. I’ve heard of this backlash with the women but I’m thinking that maybe it was a misinterpretation of the female opportunity in the show. The women in the pilot are not there to solely serve the Winchesters or to serve any men; they’re there to help others and save themselves. That’s an exciting opportunity for the viewers to see six regular women from all walks of life learning to save themselves and be their own heroes.

I think now is the time that television and movies are discovering that a lot of women want to have their stories told by women; they want to have their voices heard. This is an opportunity that Supernatural and The CW is giving to all of us as a viewership and a fandom.

Supernatural is more of a road show but it sounds like Wayward Sisters is going to be set in the town. Are all the bad guys going to converge on the town?

BUCKMASTER: From what I know, they do want to centralize it in one spot, and I think that’s kind of exciting. I was talking a bit to Kim Rhodes about it, and we think it’s kind of exciting — the people you can meet in a town, the people who can come to town, the people who leave town. There’s all kinds of opportunities  we didn’t get to discover because Supernatural is a road show.

I don’t know — I genuinely don’t know — how they’re going to specifically bring in the monsters or fight the monsters in one space, but I think it creates an enormous opportunity to develop a lot of relationships that will keep the viewers enticed and loyal and empathetic and emotional about these bonds that will be created and broken inevitably, because it takes place in such a small town.

Are you anticipating having some fan favorites come on the spinoff?

BUCKMASTER: That’s what I’ve heard. I get no say in the matter, sadly. We have people that we really want to come on the show which is pretty much everybody you could ever imagine, just because they’re our friends and we’re like “we want to play with them!” And there’s characters that my character has never and may never meet — like Castiel, Rowena, Abbadon, all these characters that I’m a big fan of and obviously a big fan of the actors that play them. So these are characters that I’d like to see on the show. I think that’s what they want. That’s what they say they want. That’s what I want.

Who’s at the top of your list?

BUCKMASTER: I think it would have to be Castiel. I’ve said this before, and I think it would be just for the pure comedy reasons of seeing Donna and Castiel trying to communicate — just the idea that Donna would be like “Hiya! I like your wings. Gosh, you’re cute,” and Castiel would be like “Who is this? Who is this person?” Just kind of stoic and not understanding how forward Donna is. I think that the contrast of those characters would be just golden.

The Supernatural midseason premiere episode, “Wayward Sisters” debuts Thursday, January 18th on The CW.

 

 

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Would you like to do a crossover with the spinoff?

PADALECKI: Yeah. I hope to God to do it. We obviously are buddies with all the crossover gangs here. It’s fun to hear them talk about dad’s on a hunting trip — it gives me chills to hear. I remember reading that in the pilot. And Jared didn’t know anything about Sam or hunting or whatever, but they wanted Sam to know, so they had to correct me a few times and be like “hey, this isn’t a big surprise to you. You know your dad hunts.” It’s not like, “he did what? Remember, this is your life too.” I was like “OK, cool.” Now that it’s fleshed out I kind of become a fan of Supernatural, and as a fan of Supernatural I would love to help it keep going with the Wayward Sisters and vice versa, and have them come back to our show.

ACKLES: There’s a reason that this is hinging around them, because they were [fan] favorite characters on the show. I know they’re favorite guests of ours, and when they get to come on the show it’s really fun for us. So in order to kind of keep that alive and keep those family ties alive, I would absolutely encourage those crossovers.

PADALECKI: And this is a really neat family that we’re all a part of, but that he and I specifically get to be a part of because we’re friends with these women outside of set. We do conventions and we see them on weekends in different cities and their loved ones and their friends. So we know each other. It feels like they’ve been on the show for a lot longer than they have even though we’ve done three episodes with one or whatever it is, it’s like “I’ve seen you a dozen times in a dozen situations!”

ACKLES: It’s this community that’s been together for well over a decade now. And everybody’s really excited to be a part of this. I think if we can certainly help them get their foothold, then absolutely.

PADALECKI: I don’t want to spend the rest of my life acting, but I would happily guest star on their show.

 

 

If I'm not getting Destiel please give me Dean/Donna.  I will take either or LOL. Or just make it one big polyamourous thing. LOL ( I keed...kind of)
 

[Wayward Son]

50 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Supernatural’: Jared Padalecki, Jensen Ackles, & Briana Buckmaster Preview the ‘Wayward Sisters’ Spinoff

http://collider.com/supernatural-wayward-sisters-explained-jared-padalecki-jensen-ackles-interview/#briana-buckmaster

I'm putting this here because the episodes are in SPN proper but also kind of about the tone of the WS episode. So I just don't really know where it should go so I'm putting it here and in the main spoiler thread

 

 

If I'm not getting Destiel please give me Dean/Donna.  I will take either or LOL. Or just make it one big polyamourous thing. LOL ( I keed...kind of)
 

Or give us Cas/Donna.. Brianna seems into it LOL

[gonzosgirrl]

5 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

Or give us Cas/Donna.. Brianna seems into it LOL

Have Cas and Donna met? I honestly can't recall.

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

Or give us Cas/Donna.. Brianna seems into it LOL

I know you hate Dean so you don't want him with anyone LOL. Poor guy.

Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

Have Cas and Donna met? I honestly can't recall.

Nope they have not met. He's not met Jody either AFIAK

[Wayward Son]

Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

Have Cas and Donna met? I honestly can't recall.

 

They havent. That was why Brianna said in the interview she’d love for the two of them to meet due to how different they are and the comedy that could create.

 

Just now, catrox14 said:

I know you hate Dean so you don't want him with anyone LOL. Poor guy.

I was just joking. Although Donna’s bouncy personality and Cas’ more stoic one would definitely create an interesting contrast haha.

 

And Dean can have a resurrected Jo. I used to dislike the ship back when I liked Dean since I’ve always disliked Jo, but now... I’m good with those two getting together ;) 

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

 

They havent. That was why Brianna said in the interview she’d love for the two of them to meet due to how different they are and the comedy that could create.

 

I was just joking. Although Donna’s bouncy personality and Cas’ more stoic one would definitely create an interesting contrast haha.

 

And Dean can have a resurrected Jo. I used to dislike the ship back when I liked Dean since I’ve always disliked Jo, but now... I’m good with those two getting together ;) 

They already did that with Charlie. Maybe Donna could take Cas with her to WS though - I'd be good with that.

 

ETA:  ;)

Edited January 9, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[catrox14]

12 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

And Dean can have a resurrected Jo. I used to dislike the ship back when I liked Dean since I’ve always disliked Jo, but now... I’m good with those two getting together ;) 

Geez so there such a thing as hate-shipping? Gross.

A resurrected Jo? Why would that be a thing?

I'm glad that Dean and Donna are going to be good friends, based on the comments. And I'm glad that Castiel and Dean are BFFs.  I wouldn't want Cas to leave SPN forever.

Yeah they already did the awkward Cas with bubbly Charlie thing. And they kind of already have the bubbly Donna with grumpy Dean and comedy Dean.

Edited January 9, 2018 by catrox14

[Wayward Son]

2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Geez so there such a thing as hate-shipping? Gross.

A resurrected Jo? Why would that be a thing?

I'm glad that Dean and Donna are good friends. And I'm glad that Castiel and Dean are BFFs.  I wouldn't want Cas to leave SPN forever.

Going to reply in Unpopular Opinions since this isn’t the thread for this :)

[RulerofallIsurvey]

I don't know if this has been asked and answered: but is there a reason WS is (apparently?) not filming in Vancouver?  Given all the other CW shows that film up there, I'm surprised.

[DittyDotDot]

49 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

I don't know if this has been asked and answered: but is there a reason WS is (apparently?) not filming in Vancouver?  Given all the other CW shows that film up there, I'm surprised.

I'm sure it's not the only reason, but I read somewhere it might be due to Vancouver cutting back on their generous tax breaks for film productions.

[Pondlass1]

My problem is that they're all lightweights when it comes to acting.  Kim and Brianna seem like good fun and apparently have become solid  friends (just like the Js) so it will be a fun set for everyone.... but I've never felt any on-screen chemistry.  (Still, that's a problem with almost all hour long dramas on TV today. Either too wooden or too overwrought.)  They found chemistry gold when they cast Jensen and Jared.

Anyway, I hope I'm proven wrong and it's a fantastic success. I never seek to see people fail. But I wouldn't personally be laying down bets.  However in light of recent movements in terms of more women in film both behind and in front of the camera the climate is kinda perfect... so maybe they're making a brilliant move at the best of times.

I will give it a go.... but watching Claire, her hair, and the rest of them "saving" Sam and Dean will probably make me gag a bit.

When's the first episode? Next October?

[bozodegama]

1 hour ago, Pondlass1 said:

My problem is that they're all lightweights when it comes to acting.  Kim and Brianna seem like good fun and apparently have become solid  friends (just like the Js) so it will be a fun set for everyone.... but I've never felt any on-screen chemistry.  (Still, that's a problem with almost all hour long dramas on TV today. Either too wooden or too overwrought.)  They found chemistry gold when they cast Jensen and Jared.

Anyway, I hope I'm proven wrong and it's a fantastic success. I never seek to see people fail. But I wouldn't personally be laying down bets.  However in light of recent movements in terms of more women in film both behind and in front of the camera the climate is kinda perfect... so maybe they're making a brilliant move at the best of times.

I will give it a go.... but watching Claire, her hair, and the rest of them "saving" Sam and Dean will probably make me gag a bit.

When's the first episode? Next October?

Yes, I feel the same way.  It seems as if the younger fans are really into it so maybe it will succeed.  But if Supernatural only gets 1.7 million viewers a week, what do they expect Wayward to get?  I would've been happier if they had a grizzled, older male (or female, like that women Tara or Ellen), in the cast.   Has anyone heard if Supernatural has been picked up for season 14 and if it's going to be a full season or just up until episode 300?

[companionenvy]

11 minutes ago, bozodegama said:

 But if Supernatural only gets 1.7 million viewers a week, what do they expect Wayward to get?

That's been my question since the beginning. The one thing I can think of is that maybe they are banking on getting casual and former SPN viewers who like the premise and some of the characters and jump back into the verse even though they've stopped watching the parent show. There are 1.7 million per week, but many more TV viewers who have watched enough of SPN to dive right into WS.

[catrox14]

TBH, I think there are a lot of SPN fans, females in particular,  who dropped the show in s10 after Charlie's death. Many think SPN is both boring for being white male dominated and also problematic for females, LGBTQ,  and PoC characters in how they are used in general. And that's a debate for another time and thread. What I am saying it's out there in Twitter and Tumblr land and many are quite interested in WS because it's not cis het males. I think if they like the stories that it will hold a number that can't be any worse than Dynasty or Valor.  And maybe even close to the mother ship.

[gonzosgirrl]

I don't see the CW powers-that-be resisting the urge for romantic interests for the girls/women much past the pilot, if it makes it to series. When that happens, it's going to lose what little there is that makes it unique. My opinion only, of course. I will be beyond surprised if it garners anything close to SPN ratings, beyond the curiosity seekers for the first episode or two. Supergirl is, well, Supergirl, and full of empowered female characters, and it barely competes.

[catrox14]

30 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

upergirl is, well, Supergirl, and full of empowered female characters, and it barely competes.

 I think that fell off because they made Mon-El way too important. JMHO

[DittyDotDot]

9 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

When's the first episode? Next October?

Unknown right now since it hasn't been picked up for series yet. But, if it does, I'd place bets that it's a fall premiere and not a mid-season replacement.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

23 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'm sure it's not the only reason, but I read somewhere it might be due to Vancouver cutting back on their generous tax breaks for film productions.

Thanks! That makes sense.  But what about Brianna and Kim?  Aren't they Canadian?  I'm pretty sure Brianna is at least.  I'm not sure about the other actresses.  I do know that SPN regularly uses Canadian/Vancouver actors as guest stars, so I guess I may be incorrectly assuming that several of the other WS actors are also from the Vancouver area. 

[gonzosgirrl]

Briana is Canadian, Kim is not. Kat Ramdeen is for sure, and I think maybe Clark Backo. Kathryn is not, and I don't know about the actress who plays Kaia.

Actors are in a different category than crew when it comes to working across the border, and it's much easier for an American to work here than a Canadian to work in the US. I'm sure that the tax breaks play a big part in filming locations, as does the US dollar vs Canadian, but with so many other CW shows already filming in BC, I don't know how much of a factor it is for WS. I feel like Kim or Briana did address this in one of their panels, but damned if I can recall exactly what and where.

Edited January 11, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[DittyDotDot]

1 hour ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Thanks! That makes sense.  But what about Brianna and Kim?  Aren't they Canadian?  I'm pretty sure Brianna is at least.  I'm not sure about the other actresses.  I do know that SPN regularly uses Canadian/Vancouver actors as guest stars, so I guess I may be incorrectly assuming that several of the other WS actors are also from the Vancouver area. 

Brianna and, I'm assuming, Katherine Ramdeen, who plays Alex, are Canadian; Kim and Kathryn are not; I don't know about the other two actresses, though. I think actors/actresses expect to have to travel for work, more or less, but crew is a bit of a different story, depending on the job.

40 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'm sure that the tax breaks play a big part in filming locations, as does the US dollar vs Canadian, but with so many other CW shows already filming in BC, I don't know how much of a factor it is for WS. 

I think it has to do with it being a new show. Shows already filming there would be far more expensive to relocate them at this stage in the game than to jut pay the higher taxes. But, like I said, I doubt it's the only reason they're planning to shoot it in the US. Maybe they just wanted the production and writing staff under the same roof, or maybe it's a casting thing, or maybe all of the above and more?

ETA: It could also be they want to make Wayward different from Supernatural from the jump. I mean, it's a spin off, but is also it's own show and a real easy way to do that is to separate their productions so they will look and feel like two different shows, more or less. 

Edited January 11, 2018 by DittyDotDot

[gonzosgirrl]

I don't know.... according to this article, as of September 2017, they are not only filming new shows in BC, but three have relocated there from the US, so there must still be some decent advantages.

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There are 4 brand new shows underway which all shot their pilots in Vancouver earlier this year. The newbies are The Good Doctor starring Freddie Highmore (Bates Motel), Life Sentence starring Lucy Hale (Pretty Little Liars), Siren starring Alex Roe and The Crossing starring Steve Zahn. There are also 3 series that have relocated production to Vancouver: Colony from Los Angeles, SIX from North Carolina & California and The Exorcist from Chicago.

Hopefully, since there is a lot of curiosity about it, the question will be asked/answered at an upcoming con. Of course, unless/until it actually goes to series, the question is moot anyway.

[catrox14]

53 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

ETA: It could also be they want to make Wayward different from Supernatural from the jump. I mean, it's a spin off, but is also it's own show and a real easy way to do that is to separate their productions so they will look and feel like two different shows, more or less. 

Brianna said the show will have a tone that is similar to SPN. She said it would literally be SPN but from a female perspective. It seems like  the show is not going to likely require a ton of locations if it's going to be mostly in Sioux Falls then building static sets on  a back lot at Warner Brothers studio might be cheaper. But then that makes me question why they would move production  to L. A.givdn ther is the recently vacated Lucifer studios literally in the same lot unless they already use that for another show.

Curious mind is curiius

[DittyDotDot]

4 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Brianna said the show will have a tone that is similar to SPN. She said it would literally be SPN but from a female perspective. It seems like  the show is not going to likely require a ton of locations if it's going to be mostly in Sioux Falls then building static sets on  a back lot at Warner Brothers studio might be cheaper. But then that makes me question why they would move production  to L. A.givdn ther is the recently vacated Lucifer studios literally in the same lot unless they already use that for another show.

Curious mind is curiius

Sure, the backdoor pilot will be Supernatural because it is an episode of Supernatural. But, if the show gets picked up for series, it may--and, IMO, should--look and feel like it's own show. That doesn't mean they can't live and breath together, but there's no reason to do a separate show if they aren't going to set themselves apart in some way.  For instance, there's a marked difference between the look and feel of Arrow and The Flash but they both exist in the same universe and can crossover from one show to the other without it being too jarring.

I'm just saying that shooting in the US instead of Vancouver would set the two shows apart and that might be something they were thinking they wanted. I'm not talking just locations, but you would have a different pool of faces to cast from and possibly a different mentality with the crew on how to get stuff done which may also give a different aesthetic to the show.

4 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I don't know.... according to this article, as of September 2017, they are not only filming new shows in BC, but three have relocated there from the US, so there must still be some decent advantages.

I believe it's a fairly recent development that Vancouver reduced it's tax credits to film productions. My understanding is, back in the day, they were giving very, very, very generous tax credits in order to entice productions to move to Vancouver. At that time it was mostly small budget genre shows filming in Vancouver, but over the last 10 to 15 years, that's changed. The industry has fully developed with so many shows filming up there now they don't feel like they need to sweeten these deals anymore in order to keep the film industry alive in Vancouver. 

So, I'm not saying there still aren't benefits to shooting in Vancouver--they are still giving tax credits, just not quite as generous as they once did--or that other shows aren't going to still shoot there, but just that I read that ONE of the reasons they aren't shooting Wayward in Vancouver was due to this. And, I gave other possible reasons too. 

[gonzosgirrl]

There must still be some pretty good incentives for three existing shows to move from their established US locations.  I am betting it's more about Kim not wanting to either be separated from or move her daughter for long periods of time.

[DittyDotDot]

59 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

There must still be some pretty good incentives for three existing shows to move from their established US locations.

Yes, as I said there are, but that article you linked to was from over a year ago and as I stated I think that was before they reduced the tax credits. And, I'm quite sure some productions get better deals than others depending on what it is they're bringing with them. It seems like you think I'm saying that no show is ever going to shoot in Vancouver again. I've clearly stated the opposite and am only talking about this one show, not the industry as a whole.

ETA: BTW, it's not just that British Columbia has reduced their incentives, but it's also that some US states--like California--has largely increased their incentives over the last few years which has made it attractive to shoot in the US too.

And, again, I'm only speaking to ONE possible reason that I read from someone who was at a con a few months back--sorry for not providing a link, I stumbled across it accidentally and don't remember who it was or how to find it again, I don't even remember which con she'd been to. I know it was before the DC con because I had a private conversation with someone who attended the DC con and she mentioned it was brought up a few times that they wouldn't be filming in Vancouver, but didn't know exactly why which confirmed some of what I'd read earlier. 

59 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

 I am betting it's more about Kim not wanting to either be separated from or move her daughter for long periods of time.

It could be a possibility, but I think it might be more lucky for Kim than it being they are adjusting the whole of production for her. For one, I don't think they would do this for one actress alone. There has to be more to it than that because all the Canadian actresses would have families they wouldn't want to be separated from either--yes, I realize Kim's situation is a bit different, but still... . And two, at the time of the DC con they were still talking about possibly filming in Georgia, which would be just as far of travel for Kim as Vancouver. And, I still haven't heard a definite that they are filming in LA, just somewhere in the US. 

 

ETA: Just to be clear, I'm thinking there are more than one reason why they've decided not to film in Vancouver.

Edited January 11, 2018 by DittyDotDot

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Sure, the backdoor pilot will be Supernatural because it is an episode of Supernatural. But, if the show gets picked up for series, it may--and, IMO, should--look and feel like it's own show. That doesn't mean they can't live and breath together, but there's no reason to do a separate show if they aren't going to set themselves apart in some way.  For instance, there's a marked difference between the look and feel of Arrow and The Flash but they both exist in the same universe and can crossover from one show to the other without it being too jarrin

I took Briana to be speaking of the spinoff not just the Wayward Sisters episode itself.

[DittyDotDot]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

I took Briana to be speaking of the spinoff not just the Wayward Sisters episode itself.

How can she be speaking about the tone of a show that doesn't exist yet? The only thing they've done is the one episode that happens to be an episode of Supernatural. If it gets picked up for series, it could be an entirely different show. Regardless, my point is still the same. The shows can have the same tone, but look different and feel different from each other. And, I would think that would be their goal. No spin off wants to be the parent show, they want to be their own show in their own right.

[catrox14]

37 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

How can she be speaking about the tone of a show that doesn't exist yet? The only thing they've done is the one episode that happens to be an episode of Supernatural. If it gets picked up for series, it could be an entirely different show. Regardless, my point is still the same. The shows can have the same tone, but look different and feel different from each other. And, I would think that would be their goal. No spin off wants to be the parent show, they want to be their own show in their own right.

The article is talking about the spinoff in general. I don't know why, if it was the backdoor pilot I would think they would say that specifically. They speak individually about 13.10 and the spinoff in general.

I suspect that Briana and Kim have a lot more insight into what the spinoff will be than if it was just some pilot out of the blue. They've been involved in the grassroots part of all this. They have been talking with Bob and Robert about it for months how.

On 1/9/2018 at 9:43 AM, catrox14 said:

Tonally, how does it compare to Supernatural?

BUCKMASTER: I think that it’s very similar in tone. I wouldn’t say that it’s a drastic change, other than it literally is coming from a female point of view. I don’t think that in tone it’s really significantly changed. The stories are still in the same vein of Supernatural, so I don’t think it’s going to be this huge shift for the fans. I think it’s going to be just slightly heightened

It seems to me if she was talking about 13.10 only then I don't think she would have said "stories" because the whole story of 13.10 is saving Sam and Dean.

I would argue that even The Flash set up in Arrow was more Flash-y than Arrow-y so when the Flash started it's tone was established in Arrow already with Barry and the Flash score. 

Look at Star Trek and Stargate. Those spinoffs absolutely traded on the motherships. They didn't disregard the motherships history nor importance and kept in a sense of where those shows came from whilst establishing themselves as different. The failure of Bloodlines is that it went too far from SPN.

[DittyDotDot]

27 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Look at Star Trek and Stargate. Those spinoffs absolutely traded on the motherships. They didn't disregard the motherships history nor importance and kept in a sense of where those shows came from whilst establishing themselves as different. The failure of Bloodlines is that it went too far from SPN.

Wow, I must be speaking some other language entirely if what you're getting is me saying they would disregard the mothership. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that they would each want to be their own show while also fitting into each other's universes. Even Stargate: Atlantis looked different than Stargate: SGI  and had it's own mythology that wrapped into the mythology of the parent show. And Stargate: Universe had a completely different look and tone and just about everything than the other two.

IMO, the failure of Bloodlines isn't that they went too far from Supernatural, it's that they don't seem to understand that most Supernatural fans don't want to watch a Supernatural show without Sam and Dean in it. And, I'm still on the fence Wayward will be successful for much the same reason. I said this when they first announced Wayward, but I think if they want to get a spin off to work for Supernatural, they need to back off and not force it on Supernatural fans. And, I think they need to build it up as practically a new show--which I know is counter-intuitive to a spin off--that doesn't mean they ignore the history of the mothership, but I think they'd get a lot more Supernatural fans to give it a shot if they didn't feel like it was being shoved down their throats and/or taking away attention from Supernatural. I think if they took the Cheers/Frasier approach they might be more successful.

ETA: TBH, I think they're making the exact same mistake they made with Bloodlines right now, the only difference is there are some Jodi and Donna fans that might help them along.

Edited January 12, 2018 by DittyDotDot

[bozodegama]

Hey, just curious.  What do you guys think the ratings will be this thursday night for the first Wayward Sisters/Supernatural episode?.  My guess is that it will be a season high as a lot of people are really serious about supporting the Wayward Sisters show.  But what do you people think?

[DittyDotDot]

29 minutes ago, bozodegama said:

Hey, just curious.  What do you guys think the ratings will be this thursday night for the first Wayward Sisters/Supernatural episode?.  My guess is that it will be a season high as a lot of people are really serious about supporting the Wayward Sisters show.  But what do you people think?

I think it will be a bump up, but not a season high. I think the combination of coming back from hiatus and the Wayward supporters will give us better ratings than the mid-season finale,, but there's a lot of fans who aren't at all interested in the spin off too. So, I think it'll bounce back some, but not all the way. 

[SueB]

Complex multi-variate problem here on the ratings.

1) Social Media wise, the #WaywardSisters tag is all over the place so hard core fandom (who isn't necessarily the Neilson fandom) knows it's there.  Although I think some of the Bronlies (Brothers Only) are very negative about the episode (because they see it as a zero sum game and anything "yay" wayward sisters is automatically "boo" the boys?) may not tweet out #Supernatural to affect numbers out of spite.  But I think the rest of the fandom is more open minded.  That doesn't mean they like the spin-off but they won't change their habits out of spite.

2) The Neilsons are a fickle bit.  Either you KNOW Superatural is coming back on or you don't.  If they have their DVR's set, it'll pick up automatically.  Also, waiting to 18 Jan gives more time for 'routine' to be reestablished, so the numbers could be about the same as last year.  I don't recall if the second half slump starts right away or only in spring.  

So... I'm saying... I think Neilson's will be on par with last year with a potential for bump up.  I think the Social Media stats will ultimately be "higher than normal" for total contacts but not necessarily unique contacts.  

[gonzosgirrl]

I don't anticipate Wayward being 'must see tv' for me, should it make it to series, but I haven't skipped an episode of Supernatural yet (since I started watching after a binge catch-up in early S10). So I won't be skipping this one, either. What I do resent seeing out there is the push to hashtag WaywardSisters over Supernatural. Even Berens pushed for it (before modifying his request, presumably after being told). Respect the damn mothership and hashtag what counts, which is #Supernatural. Add the other one, sure, but put SPN first, or at least second (only the first two tags in a tweet count). Imma be pissed if Wayward trends over Supernatural, unless the Neilsons are going to take that into account somehow.

[gonzosgirrl]

It's like they are going out of their way to annoy.

[Res]

I'll be honest here. This did seem like a really good idea for a spin-off, much, MUCH better than "bloodlines", and one that had the most potential for success (although I wouldn't have minded a decently written one on Dean and Sam's early years). But the more spoilers I read about this, the more I'm leaning toward not caring. First, I only really like previous seasons Jodi and Alex. This season Jodi I didn't like at all. I've never liked Donna and cringe every time she's on SPN. The other girls I'm completely ambivalent about.

Now the most recent spoilers that are implying this spin-off is going to be giving a "female POV" or "girl power hunters" have me cringing. I'm not watching supernatural type shows to get feminism or "girl-power" blah, blah blah. I'm watching to have actual good action scenes and storylines. If I'm being completely honest as a female viewer, these type phases completely turn me off because TPTB and writers can never really do this in a way that isn't comic, over-preachy or completely ridiculous. In most cases, especially with male writers who aren't very good, the "female POV" comes off as bitchy IMO. But I know I'm probably an abnormal female viewer as most of my favorites are male and side characters. Same with the female characters I like, they tend to be side characters.

Of course, I'm also of the UO that ending the mothership would be better if the showrunner is going to continue to be someone who apparently dislikes/disagrees with it so much. Or at least kill off the characters you have no use for so that they aren't just there for the viewer points.

Just out of curiosity, who is planning on watching WS if it's picked up?

[MysteryGuest]

I haven't been all that excited about the spin off since they first started talking about.  The fact that it at least involves characters I knew and  liked made it a bit more palatable.  But sadly, I think the versions of Jody and Donna that we actually came to like will be changed once they're in their own show.  

As much as I like the actresses who've played Kaia and Patience, I have a bit of an issue with them being regulars on the new show.  It's as if the Wayward women need superpowers to do their jobs.  Yes, I know that Sam and Dean have certainly had their share of help through the years, but it was also a big negative, and the main reason why Cas' powers fluctuated so often.  I'm sure I'll tune in at the beginning just out of loyalty to the mother ship, but I'll be surprised if I end up a regular viewer.  I wish they'd have focused some of energy spent on this spin off on making Supernatural better, instead.  Even if they incorporated Jody and Donna into the main show, and gave them some stand alone episodes, I think i'd have preferred that to this.  The boys could have their shortened season, and TPTB could focus on writing better stories.

[Pondlass1]

I think the spin off should have been The Story of Castiel.  His absence from the show would leave a huge gap, of course, but he's missing from half the season anyway.  Constantine didn't do well, but I think The Story of Castiel would. Misha already enjoys an established and passionate fandom and Castiel's journey since meeting up with the Winchesters has been a rich and complex one ( and he often screws up, which I appreciate). And if the Js  end their series after 14 seasons they can always show up as guest stars or cameos. It could be filmed in Vancouver with the same crew.

I'll give the Waywards a fair try, but girl power not really my thing.

[Bobcatkitten]

I think they should have started it with just Jody, Claire, Donna and Alex and then slowly brought in Patience and Kaia during the first season if it got picked up. I actually really love Alex and Jody. Like Donna and actively don't like Claire. So the fact they are pushing her as the main lead annoys me a bit. 

I'm also kind of annoyed how some people are acting like this is an episode of Wayward Sisters. It's still Supernatural!  While I wish the show well I have been a bit perturbed at how much of this season's Supernatural it is taking to set up. That has left other storylines barely fleshed out. In the end I will give Wayward the same chance I give other series - at least two episodes. 

[gonzosgirrl]

9 minutes ago, scribe95 said:

I think they should have started it with just Jody, Claire, Donna and Alex and then slowly brought in Patience and Kaia during the first season if it got picked up. I actually really love Alex and Jody. Like Donna and actively don't like Claire. So the fact they are pushing her as the main lead annoys me a bit. 

I'm also kind of annoyed how some people are acting like this is an episode of Wayward Sisters. It's still Supernatural!  While I wish the show well I have been a bit perturbed at how much of this season's Supernatural it is taking to set up. That has left other storylines barely fleshed out. In the end I will give Wayward the same chance I give other series - at least two episodes. 

I agree with your first sentence so much! But you know, I honestly think the spin-off is a done deal. I wasn't around during S9 for Bloodlines, so I don't know if they hyped it up as much as they have with this one. But I do know they didn't bother to bring potential characters into other episodes prior to the 'pilot' like this. There's been a good deal of mainstream publicity for it (tvline, EW, etc) and they talk about the actresses and characters like it's already a series. So yeah, I think unless there is some kind of backlash or the episode(s) tank, WS is a fait accompli.

[DittyDotDot]

4 hours ago, Res said:

Just out of curiosity, who is planning on watching WS if it's picked up?

I'll give it a chance--I generally say I'll give a new show a full season to find themselves, after that all bets are off--but have been really disappointed in their marketing of it. If that's really the show, I'm less interested as I was to begin with.

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I agree with your first sentence so much! But you know, I honestly think the spin-off is a done deal. I wasn't around during S9 for Bloodlines, so I don't know if they hyped it up as much as they have with this one. But I do know they didn't bother to bring potential characters into other episodes prior to the 'pilot' like this. There's been a good deal of mainstream publicity for it (tvline, EW, etc) and they talk about the actresses and characters like it's already a series. So yeah, I think unless there is some kind of backlash or the episode(s) tank, WS is a fait accompli.

I'm still waning on this. I thought it was a done deal until I read those comments from Pedowitz that sounded like he wasn't sure of it. So, I keep waffling. But, I think you're right, the ratings--both Neilson and Social Media--will need to be the worst they've ever been for it not to get picked up.

[Casseiopeia]

52 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'm still waning on this. I thought it was a done deal until I read those comments from Pedowitz that sounded like he wasn't sure of it. So, I keep waffling. But, I think you're right, the ratings--both Neilson and Social Media--will need to be the worst they've ever been for it not to get picked up.

I don't think Pedowitz gets it.  But if it's what Supernatural fans want he'll give a chance.

[Wayward Son]

5 hours ago, Res said:

Just out of curiosity, who is planning on watching WS if it's picked up?

I’m watching because I love Donna and Jody. I’ll give it till at least mid season before deciding whether it’s going to be a long term investment. Although, to be honest, I expect it to be a one season and done deal if picked up.

[nightwing877]

11 hours ago, Wayward Son said:

I’m watching because I love Donna and Jody. I’ll give it till at least mid season before deciding whether it’s going to be a long term investment. Although, to be honest, I expect it to be a one season and done deal if picked up.

I'm the same, I really like those two and seeing them every week might be enough for me to watch, but we'll see. I'm not sure yet. 

Doing a spin-off 13 years into a show's run to me seems like such a long wait. That I wonder if it will go the way of Joey from Friends, or turn into a decent spin-off like Angel was to Buffy. But again, I don't know. 

[bozodegama]

12 hours ago, Wayward Son said:

I’m watching because I love Donna and Jody. I’ll give it till at least mid season before deciding whether it’s going to be a long term investment. Although, to be honest, I expect it to be a one season and done deal if picked up.

I really like Jody, but I’ve never got the Donna thing.  The young girls are very attractive but did they really need 4 of them.  Kaia seems interesting and i think Patience is very likable.  I’m hoping that they bring some male characters in.  They need to make it like Supernatural, horror, humor, family, great music (no hip hop or I’m out). But I’m not in the age range they care about.  

[ILoveReading]

I doubt I'll tune in.  None of the characters really interests me.  It's ironic that after Kripke said Supernatural wouldn't be One Tree Hill with monsters that is exactly what the spin off was. 

But I'm not sure how much it will focus on Jody or Donna.  I expect the only way they could get Katheryn to sign (since she seems to be signing on to a lot of projects) was to promise her top billing.  The CW still seems to be targeting a younger crowd so I figure the focus will be on the girls with Jody/Donna serving as mentors. 

Edited January 16, 2018 by ILoveReading