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GHScorpiosRule

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Haleth

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8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I wouldn’t be upset if this series ends with buik 8-with the way it ended. I haven’t read the latest and I know that it was Jamie’s ghost we saw in season one-the one that Frank saw. I dinna want tae see them die, so I’m okay if the series ends with 8!

As leisurely as her writing is, it will take dozens of books to get to the end of their lives. 

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mythoughtis

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So.  I’m up to date on the show, and I’m in book 3- still hunting for Ian.  DG’s books would be half as thick if she just didn’t over describe everything.  And I do mean everything. Pages and pages of the mangrove that Claire waded through to get to the shore.  It’s boring.  I like the show much better. Especially since Murtagh survived Culloden in the show. 

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Ziggy

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On 1/9/2025 at 3:58 PM, oceanblue said:

Thank you.   But she should show us not tell us

So far, it hasn't been mentioned in the novels, either.  It's come up in interviews, and Diana has posted this in the FAQ page on her website:

Who is the ghost in OUTLANDER? (SPOILER)

The ghost is Jamie–but as for how it fits into the story, All Will Be Explained–in the last book.

https://dianagabaldon.com/wordpress/resources/faq/faq-about-the-characters/

So, now you know everything that anyone (except Diana) knows.  And possibly Sam Heughan.  I feel like I may have read somewhere that she told him something about the ending.  But don't quote me on that :-)

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surfgirl

surfgirl

5 hours ago, Cdh20 said:

I just want to say I am sad the season is over already, & it will be a year to see that final season. It might require a whole series rewatch🤔

Count me out! I tried that once, then realized that I canNOT relive the BJR episodes, I have too much trauma from watching those. No thank you.

4 hours ago, taanja said:

more like 200 years! This freakin' show goes away for SO long I can't remember anything that happened!

It's not just forgetting what's happened last season, it also ends up with me not caring very much anymore about a show that used to be so good for a few seasons, then got too full of itself and thought it could make viewers wait a year or more for the next season and we'd still care just as much. Yeah, no.

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surfgirl

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On 1/31/2025 at 7:42 PM, Quickbeam said:

I am 100% disinterested in any prequel show. I guess that will run this summer but it’s not worth it to keep Starz. 

Wait! You mean to tell me they're going to finish and show the orequel BEFORE they finish with Outlander S08?!? WTAF?

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8 hours ago, surfgirl said:

Wait! You mean to tell me they're going to finish and show the orequel BEFORE they finish with Outlander S07?!? WTAF?

Starz is hoping people won’t cancel between Outlander seasons so they are putting the prequel before the final season. They are probably also hoping people will watch while still having some investment in the Outlander universe.

Personally I have on interest and already canceled Starz. Don’t care about the love stories of the parents at all.

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GHScorpiosRule

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40 minutes ago, Cdh20 said:

Season 7 is done! I assume they chose to show the prequel series before 8 to get as many OL fans to watch as possible

After that Fucking INSULT of a finale? We've already lost so many viewers since season four? Three? I remember how many of us posted about the show when Ron was actively running it, and maybe a year after Roberts took over. The last two or three have been abysmal.

And since the prequel has NO connection to the buiks, why Roberts would think that is beyond my understanding.

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FnkyChkn34

FnkyChkn34

On 2/4/2025 at 8:48 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

After that Fucking INSULT of a finale? We've already lost so many viewers since season four? Three? I remember how many of us posted about the show when Ron was actively running it, and maybe a year after Roberts took over. The last two or three have been abysmal.

And since the prequel has NO connection to the buiks, why Roberts would think that is beyond my understanding.

The books should have been a trilogy and the show should have ended after Season 3.  Yay, they made it to America!  The end.  

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ch1

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The only part of the later books I enjoy is Lord John.  Outside of him I’ve never liked the American Revolution aspect because I just think it’s absurd that these 2 people with full knowledge of the future decide to plant themselves right smack in the middle of a future war zone after what they’ve been through with Culloden. I know the reasoning given but I think it’s ridiculous. 

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Noneofyourbusiness

Noneofyourbusiness

On 2/1/2025 at 2:54 AM, surfgirl said:

Wait! You mean to tell me they're going to finish and show the orequel BEFORE they finish with Outlander S07?!? WTAF?

On 2/4/2025 at 8:05 AM, Cdh20 said:

Season 7 is done! I assume they chose to show the prequel series before 8 to get as many OL fans to watch as possible

Oh, I didn't notice that surfgirl said 7 instead of 8. The coming season is Season 8 (10 episodes). The one we just finished watching was Season 7 (16 episodes divided into two halves).

On 2/4/2025 at 8:48 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

And since the prequel has NO connection to the buiks, why Roberts would think that is beyond my understanding.

The prequel IS based on a book Diana Galbadon is working on. The difference is that the book version has only Brian and Ellen's story, and the showrunners added Julia and Henry's to it.

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 hour ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

The difference is that the book version has only Brian and Ellen's story, and the showrunners added Julia and Henry's to it.

I have NO idea who Julia and Henry are. 

I stand corrected. But then again, I'm not a Gabaldon fan. I read the first 8 due to the show, and also to give them a try again before the show started to see if they were as bad as the first time I tried-I only got as far as the first third of Voyager before I gave up the first time.

That said, I still have NO INTEREST in this, and nor am I going to watch it.

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surfgirl

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Sorry for the confusion. I meant S08 in my comment upthread. And I am aware that Diana is writing a prequel. I'm just appalled that she hasn't finished the Outlander OG series of books BEFORE starting on tangential books/stories. She, like GRRM and GOTs, got too big for their britches IMO, and fell into the ego/fan adulation trap and just abandoned finishing their series, beloved as they are. Its a big middle finger to their fans IMO, and I think less of both writers because of it. And nit for nothing but I think Diana is I. Dire need of a stern editor because a good half of each book past Book 2.5ish, is just meandering bullshit.

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Noneofyourbusiness

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On 2/6/2025 at 11:06 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

I have NO idea who Julia and Henry are.

Claire's parents. The prequel show Outlander: Blood of My Blood is about both sets of parents.

On 2/6/2025 at 12:26 PM, surfgirl said:

Sorry fir thr confusion. I meant S08 in my comment upthread. And I am aware that Diana is writing a prequel. I'm just appalled that she hasn't finished the Outlander OG series of books BEFORE starting on tangential books/stories. She, like GRRM and GOTs, got too big for their britches IMO, and fell into the ego/fan adulation trap and just abandoned finishing their series, beloved as they are. Its a big middle finger to their fans IMO, and I think less of both writers because of it. And nit for nothing but I think Diana is I. Dire need of a stern editor because a good half of each book past Book 2.5ish, is just meandering bullshit.

The ninth book in the main series came out only 4 years ago and there's only one more left; I'd be surprised if she didn't finish it.

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oceanblue

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I have read all the books and I had no idea who Julia and Henry are.   We've heard a lot about Brian and Ellen and we know Ellen's family.   I'm somewhat interested in their story, but obviously will only watch it when I pick up starz for season 8.   If they make up a story where Brian and Ellen and Julia and Henry meet cute in the early 17th century and have an adventure I'm out.

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surfgirl

surfgirl

3 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Claire's parents. The prequel show Outlander: Blood of My Blood is about both sets of parents.

The ninth book in the main series came out only 4 years ago and there's only one more left; I'd be surprised if she didn't finish it.

I believe she started this series in 1991 with Outlander: Book 1. That's 34 years! She should be done already. That's my feeling about it. I don't want to explore tangential stories until the books are show are over. But that's just how I am.

mythoughtis

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10 hours ago, surfgirl said:

I believe she started this series in 1991 with Outlander: Book 1. That's 34 years! She should be done already. That's my feeling about it. I don't want to explore tangential stories until the books are show are over. But that's just how I am.

Maybe she might get done sooner if she: 

a) spent more time writing than all the other activities she seems to be doing: workshops, blogs, etc.  

b) condensed her multi page descriptions of the scenery into a couple paragraphs.  Her mangroves description seemed to take as many hours as it took Claire to slog through it. Book: Voyager I think?  
 

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andidante

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1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

Maybe she might get done sooner if she: 

a) spent more time writing than all the other activities she seems to be doing: workshops, blogs, etc.  

b) condensed her multi page descriptions of the scenery into a couple paragraphs.  Her mangroves description seemed to take as many hours as it took Claire to slog through it. Book: Voyager I think?  
 

She can't seem to finish one book at a time and is always writing several books at once. I haven't even started on the last Outlander book as it is over 900 pages!! UGH. Plus she is in her 70s now (which is not terribly old) so let's get it done already!

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Noneofyourbusiness

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6 hours ago, andidante said:

She can't seem to finish one book at a time and is always writing several books at once.

Speaking as a writer, that is normal. And hard to avoid. Plots come to you whether you're looking for them or not, and you have to write them down. Your characters have conversations with each other inside your head, unprompted by you. The only way to avoid that would be to turn your brain off. And then you wouldn't be able to write the one book either. The bigger the world, the more potential there is for side stories, not to mention new settings altogether coming to you.

That said, Diana Galbadon and George Martin could probably use editors (and I am also an editor; https://fantasy-faction.com/2016/what-a-difference-an-editor-makes) who are willing to help them shave their books down and get to the essentials (and have the hard but necessary conversations with them about what the essentials are). But you have to get the initial, overly detailed paragraph onto the page before it can be shaved down.

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surfgirl

surfgirl

2 hours ago, Cdh20 said:

 I am surprised so many people won't give that prequel a chance- it "looks" like the early OL seasons with the setting of 1700's Scotland -something everyone claimed they missed so much after season 3! And that OL casting director is practically a genius, I will certainly watch it!

I think people are annoyed that DG hadn't bothered to finish her OL series and as such we wipe be left with a series finale that she's already said will be different from what she's envisioned for the book series. But yanno, she has plenty to of time for Ol themed side projects like her recipe books, Outlander BTS's books, all the LJ novels.and assorted other short stories. And now a full fledged prequel series, while again, she still had nit finished rhe OL OG series. That is why some folks are peeved.

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SassAndSnacks

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I'm not a fan of the prequel coming out before the actual show is finished.  However, I'm super intrigued about Claire's family and have been throughout my journey through the books and show.  I was annoyed when I thought the prequel would just be about Jamie's parents - we know their story as it is covered in the books and the show.  I want to know how / why Claire can travel.  How are all of these travelers connected to her? (If they are...)

In short, I was not into the prequel and didn't plan on watching it.  Then, I heard the Beauchamps were involved.  THEN I saw trench warfare in the trailer.  You show me trench warfare, I give you an interested viewer.  I don't know what that says about me as a person, but I am what I am.  

Plus, if it sucks, I'll just hate watch it and bitch about it here.  You're welcome!

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surfgirl

surfgirl

2 hours ago, SassAndSnacks said:

THEN I saw trench warfare in the trailer.  You show me trench warfare, I give you an interested viewer.  I don't know what that says about me as a person, but I am what I am.  

Plus, if it sucks, I'll just hate watch it and bitch about it here.  You're welcome!

This right here is better than the show! 🤣

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Ziggy

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20 hours ago, surfgirl said:

I think people are annoyed that DG hadn't bothered to finish her OL series and as such we wipe be left with a series finale that she's already said will be different from what she's envisioned for the book series. But yanno, she has plenty to of time for Ol themed side projects like her recipe books, Outlander BTS's books, all the LJ novels.and assorted other short stories. And now a full fledged prequel series, while again, she still had nit finished rhe OL OG series. That is why some folks are peeved.

I get that, but, first of all, she hasn't written a prequel.  That is all Starz.  I believe she has some notes that she gave them, but this is something Starz chose to do, rather than something based on a book Diana wrote.

But I completely get the being annoyed that Diana hasn't written the final novel, yet.  It seems like Book 10 will be the last (big) book, but I don't even think Diana has confirmed that.  I believe the most she has said is that it will likely be that last (big) book.

It is what it is, so the only thing to do is decide whether or not it's worth it to watch the first episode and give it a try.  I plan to watch it and see what I think from there.  I might decide to watch the series, and I might not.  But I'll give it a try.

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GHScorpiosRule

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Fair points @Ziggy, but since I don’t care about who Claire’s parents were or how she is able to time travel-it was the buiks’  premise and  that was good enough for me.

We met and saw Jamie’s father and heard about his Mum-from Jamie and Jenny. Though to hear how Jenny talked about her many suitors, Ellen sounded like a tease. In the sense of leading them on as if they had a chance when they didn’t, since she loved Brian. But that line in season one where Jenny is telling Claire about those bracelets-(paraphrasing) how Ellen had a smile like the cat who had the cream. 
 

So based on that? And that Ellen died young, I have no interest in watching this. And wouldn’t have anywayz as Sam and Cait changed my mind to watch THIS series. And Matt Roberts was already thinking about the prequel two years or so ago.

It’s typical from other shows I watch-when the show runner wants to spin off or create a new show, they lose interest in the present  show because they have a “new toy” to play with. And the original show suffers. And I’m seeing it play out with this show.

So once this show is finished, so am I with Roberts and company, and STARZ.

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surfgirl

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7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It’s typical from other shows i watch-when the show runner wants to spin off or create a new show, they lose interest in the present  show because they have a “new toy” to play with. And the original show suffers. And I’m seeing it play out with this show.

I call this the JJ Abrams Syndrome.

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FnkyChkn34

FnkyChkn34

I'll chime in and say I don't know if I'll watch the prequel or not. I might give it a chance, but my main problem isn't really like GoT either... 

GoT was good the whole way through. Yes, season 8 went a little off the rails, but I still liked it. So i wanted more GoT content after it was over. At this point, I only still tune in to Outlander to see where they finally end up. I don't still love the show. All of it (books and show) dragged on for way too long and would have been great as only a trilogy. 

I don't even know if I care about an Outlander final season, let alone more Outlander related content at this point. 

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