S07.E02: The Statue

[marcee]

I didn't see a topic started yet, so here.

I'm thankful Donna's partner-status was revoked. It was lovely seeing Jessica. I missed her clothes. The dress Donna was wearing this episode made my eyes bleed.

I appreciate when characters behave like normal people; in the episode, Louis gets the award for being normal.

I can believe the opposing attorney would bring up Mike's history, but I CANNOT believe the judge would find it relevant to the case. At all. That was exceedingly stupid.

Edited July 20, 2017 by marcee

[Crs97]

I usually just roll my eyes and mutter while watching the show; this time I yelled things.  A lot of things.  Not a good sign when the best character was the ethically-challenged psychologist now sleeping with Harvey.

Edited July 20, 2017 by Crs97

[backformore]

The scene with Harvey and Jessica.  They were never in the same shot, it looked like they were taped separately in different locations. 

 

And I agree about Donna' s dress.  Ugh.

[Rascotes]

Was nice seeing Katrina again.  Why wasn't she the one to take over the associates?  As an experienced partner, wouldn't that have made more sense than Rachel?

The Donna thing is just silly, even with the "fix."

Didn't care about Mike's case or Harvey's recruitment.  

I watch this show and spend the entire hour looking up random things on my phone.  I honestly don't have a clue why I watch it other than habit.   I did find a hilarious video of a baby elephant running to his mother after tripping and falling, though, so the hour wasn't a total loss.

[bros402]

The Donna thing is still stupid, but at least she isn't senior partner?

When Harvey said he had a plane to catch, I was like "Wait but Pfizer is in the city why is he flying---ohhhhhh"

[Carolina Girl]

12 hours ago, Rascotes said:

The Donna thing is just silly, even with the "fix."

Yeah, it really still is.  A firm the size of PSL does not need a COO or a CEO.  It needs a Business Manager and/or Office Manager.  She's only genuinely qualified to do the latter.  

And I agree with everyone else on that dress.

[lorbeer]

2 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

Yeah, it really still is.  A firm the size of PSL does not need a COO or a CEO.  It needs a Business Manager and/or Office Manager.  She's only genuinely qualified to do the latter.  

And I agree with everyone else on that dress.

When I read all of the comments I had to watch again to see that hideous dress because I totally din't pay attention the first time... but then again Donna never had dresses I liked. ;)

Why won't they just let her go?

On the other hand, Jessica looked astonishing.

I really REALLY hope it was the very last time they brought up Mike's-not-being-real-lawyer. I mean... come on... how much more ?

Edited July 21, 2017 by lorbeer

[catrice2]

This used to be must see tv for me, but I have not watched in a while.  I hate that Jessica is gone. I will have to watch this episode on demand, but it sounds like this should be the last season.  Mike practicing law, the fact that they even have a firm, and now I read Donna is a partner?  They ruined this show a long time ago and it is a shame.  It used to be witty and entertaining. 

[CaptainCranky]

I DVR the show and started watching it when we got back from dinner on Friday evening. I use to love the characters and even the absurd story lines but after watching Louis with his shrink and Harvey in bed with his shrink the show lost its entertainment value for me and I turned it off.

Like the other USA shows White Collar and Burn Notice, they have a shelf life for entertainment value and this has reached that point.  Suits has gotten old and tired. I'm done.

Edited July 22, 2017 by CaptainCranky

[Joimiaroxeu]

Nothing subtle about the drug company product placement. At least they got one of the biggest name companies.

So Gina Torres is still working on Suits? And that coat Jessica was wearing was fabulous. Hope that wasn't real fur though.

Back-to-back Superbowls. Oh, Louis. Nobody is that clueless about sports. The Superbowl pretty much takes over the country for at least a month and everyone knows it's football.

[Sake614]

Came here to see if anyone else shared my thoughts about the whole Donna thing. Glad to see we all feel the same way. I mean really? She's a legal secretary and has $500k lying around that she can just write a check? I know legal secretaries can rake in some pretty big $$ but that was ridiculous. And why was she wearing a cocktail dress to the office? 

I was glad that Harvey came to his senses after the conversation with Katrina. But now donna is Chief Operating Officer? becsuse that's not going to give PSL clients pause...or the rest of the industry for that matter.

i've never been a fan of the women's clothes on this show. And that includes Jessica.  I can't remember the last time I saw any woman IRL wearing a long pencil skirt, yet that's all they wear. And all the ruffles, low necklines and bare backs? At a Law firm? Not bloody likely.

i'll still watch, more out of habit than anything else, but ITA with others that it should have ended last season. We're now in shark-jumping territory.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Not gonna lie-I dropped this show like a hot potato in season two, the first season I watched, not because of the ridiculous premise, but because of the unable to suspend disbelief that a FUCKING Paralegal (and I am one myself), garnered a window office, but associates had to sit in those cubicles like rats?!!!

The ONLY reason I tuned back in was because of Charlie, er, I mean Gus...umm Albert? Dulé Hill! His character is so similar to his character from the blink and you'll miss it and quickly cancelled new show Doubt, they shoulda made him the same character! Albert, Alex, Alex, Albert...so I'm watching for HIM.

And making Donna COO, is beyond ridonkulous. The firms her arrogant and ignorant ass named are VERY LARGE and international firms. My understanding is that Harvey's firm is just the one on the show? But considering the original premise of the show, I guess I'm supposed to accept it? What the fuck ever.?????

[bros402]

18 hours ago, CaptainCranky said:

I DVR the show and started watching it when we got back from dinner on Friday evening. I use to love the characters and even the absurd story lines but after watching Louis with his shrink and Harvey in bed with his shrink the show lost its entertainment value for me and I turned it off.

Like the other USA shows White Collar and Burn Notice, they have a shelf life for entertainment value and this has reached that point.  Suits has gotten old and tired. I'm done.

At least Louis has a therapist. That makes sense.

 

6 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Came here to see if anyone else shared my thoughts about the whole Donna thing. Glad to see we all feel the same way. I mean really? She's a legal secretary and has $500k lying around that she can just write a check? I know legal secretaries can rake in some pretty big $$ but that was ridiculous. And why was she wearing a cocktail dress to the office? 

I was glad that Harvey came to his senses after the conversation with Katrina. But now donna is Chief Operating Officer? becsuse that's not going to give PSL clients pause...or the rest of the industry for that matter.

i've never been a fan of the women's clothes on this show. And that includes Jessica.  I can't remember the last time I saw any woman IRL wearing a long pencil skirt, yet that's all they wear. And all the ruffles, low necklines and bare backs? At a Law firm? Not bloody likely.

i'll still watch, more out of habit than anything else, but ITA with others that it should have ended last season. We're now in shark-jumping territory.

My theory: the ridiculous salary that Donna has that they mentioned in the past was enough where Donna could squirrel away a good chunk.

 

Oh wait, wasn't some of it from selling the rights to that horrible plot line last season?

[CaptainCranky]

10 hours ago, bros402 said:

At least Louis has a therapist. That makes sense.

 

 

In the beginning Louis's violent mood swings was tolerable but for me it got old and not needed as a plot line.

[Sake614]

17 hours ago, bros402 said:

selling the rights to that horrible plot line last season

 

Ridiculous is being kind. That whole thing made even less sense than making her a partner or COO. some IT guy Is secretly recording her because she's just so awesome and all-knowing? Then she decides to market this gadget that basically just spouts 'Donna-isms' and makes a fortune? 

Newflash Donna: you're not all that.

[catrice2]

I read a recap on some site and I think they said that Donna had inherited some money from somebody and that is what she used.  Not sure, I could be mixing it up with another show. 

Do they put the episodes on USA?  For whatever reason I thought I had it on my DVR but of COURSE I miss the episode with Jessica, and it seems she had on killer clothes.  At this point that is what I am here for. Unfortunately Jessica always had the clothes I was interested in, not Donna or Rachel.  

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 7/20/2017 at 5:00 PM, marcee said:

I can believe the opposing attorney would bring up Mike's history, but I CANNOT believe the judge would find it relevant to the case. At all. That was exceedingly stupid.

Yes. 

Also, Mike, you can't withdraw a complaint that you haven't filed.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

I don't recall being asked if I smoked when applying for auto insurance. Health insurance, of course, but not auto. A history of epilepsy or fainting would be relevant, but a history of smoking is probably less dangerous than owning a cell phone.  Any insurance brokers here?

6 hours ago, bros402 said:

They were talking about life insurance - the wife died in a car accident, but the life insurance company wasn't paying due to smoking.

ETA:  bros402 is, of course, correct.  It was a life insurance policy.  Not sure why that wasn't obvious to me!

Edited July 24, 2017 by ItCouldBeWorse

[bros402]

3 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I don't recall being asked if I smoked when applying for auto insurance. Health insurance, of course, but not auto. A history of epilepsy or fainting would be relevant, but a history of smoking is probably less dangerous than owning a cell phone.  Any insurance brokers here?

They were talking about life insurance - the wife died in a car accident, but the life insurance company wasn't paying due to smoking.

[GHScorpiosRule]

9 hours ago, catrice2 said:

 

Do they put the episodes on USA?  For whatever reason I thought I had it on my DVR but of COURSE I miss the episode with Jessica, and it seems she had on killer clothes.

Yes because that's the network it airs on? 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

6 hours ago, bros402 said:

They were talking about life insurance - the wife died in a car accident, but the life insurance company wasn't paying due to smoking.

I will say, though, that the shenanigans with Mike's reputation aside, a picture showing someone holding a cigarette, especially if it was not lit, is nor proof that she was smoking again,  It could have been a joke.  The insurance company would have probably needed to call the other women in the picture as witnesses to have them testify that she actually inhaled.  The whole thing would have been a matter of fact for the jury.

I also didn't understand the resolution of the case.  Mike threatened to file a class action suit if the insurance company didn't pay $50 million dollars with an admission of guilt.  The insurance company attorney said that the company would never go for an admission of guilt (with regard to trying to get out of paying claims) so Mike said that instead of the admission of guilt, the attorney will participate in a puff-piece interview about Mike that will put to bed any chance of a future "pos" attorney using Mike's well-earned history against a future client of his. The attorney claimed to have been set-up, since Mike knew that the insurance company would never make an admission. How was he set up?  He didn't have to agree to the interview.  He also doesn't have the capacity to agree to pay $50 million on a $300,000 insurance policy, threat of class action or not. $50 million for what?  How does he know that there won't be a class action suit filed later?  Is Mike agreeing to bury the evidence his investigator turned up?  That's just an outrageous amount for one plaintiff considering this wasn't a case where the plaintiff was suing another driver for wrongful death (that is, that the wife's death was caused by negligence or recklessness.)

[Carolina Girl]

On 7/22/2017 at 6:59 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Not gonna lie-I dropped this show like a hot potato in season two, the first season I watched, not because of the ridiculous premise, but because of the unable to suspend disbelief that a FUCKING Paralegal (and I am one myself), garnered a window office, but associates had to sit in those cubicles like rats?!!!

The ONLY reason I tuned back in was because of Charlie, er, I mean Gus...umm Albert? Dulé Hill! His character is so similar to his character from the blink and you'll miss it and quickly cancelled new show Doubt, they shoulda made him the same character! Albert, Alex, Alex, Albert...so I'm watching for HIM.

And making Donna COO, is beyond ridonkulous. The firms her arrogant and ignorant ass named are VERY LARGE and international firms. My understanding is that Harvey's firm is just the one on the show? But considering the original premise of the show, I guess I'm supposed to accept it? What the fuck ever.?????

My feelings exactly.  I work for one of the largest law firms in the World, and our COO is a lawyer AND an MBA.  When I worked for a smaller firm, albeit one with three offices, all we had was a business manager and we had at least 10 times the personnel of PSL.   I've seen Gretchen do legal work; all I've seen Donna do is strut around and give unsolicited advice.  In fact, earlier I seem to recall her speaking almost disparagingly of typing, copying, etc.  I get it.....she's "DONNA". 

[GHScorpiosRule]

18 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

My feelings exactly.  I work for one of the largest law firms in the World, and our COO is a lawyer AND an MBA.  When I worked for a smaller firm, albeit one with three offices, all we had was a business manager and we had at least 10 times the personnel of PSL.   I've seen Gretchen do legal work; all I've seen Donna do is strut around and give unsolicited advice.  In fact, earlier I seem to recall her speaking almost disparagingly of typing, copying, etc.  I get it.....she's "DONNA". 

I've worked in small firms, mid-sized firms AND large firms. Donna ain't nuttin' but an Office Manager. I've also had to be an office manager AND paralegal at the same time at the smaller firms, so I very much resented Donna's contempt/looking down/snobbery toward that position.

[catrice2]

On 7/24/2017 at 6:39 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yes because that's the network it airs on? 

Actually my question was if they streamed or made episodes available on the website if you missed them, but thanks for the sarcasm. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 hours ago, catrice2 said:

Actually my question was if they streamed or made episodes available on the website if you missed them, but thanks for the sarcasm. 

I wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry if you thought I was.

[catrice2]

Jessica and Harvey are hands down the couple of the show.  No one has better chemistry or a better relationship.....Lord I know I have always hated that they "friend zoned" these two. 

[Orbert]

I'm confused on how Jessica is still connected to the firm.  She left, but her name is still on the wall, and can still veto things that Harvey does?

[bros402]

7 hours ago, Orbert said:

I'm confused on how Jessica is still connected to the firm.  She left, but her name is still on the wall, and can still veto things that Harvey does?

She still has her investment in the firm.

[Orbert]

So they consult her as a courtesy, or does she have real power?

[bros402]

17 hours ago, Orbert said:

So they consult her as a courtesy, or does she have real power?

I dunno. I'm guessing it was as a courtesy - as it was Jessica's first client.

I think she still has power, in the sense that she has money in the firm. But she trusts Louis and Harvey to make all of the decisions.

[TheRabbi]

On 7/24/2017 at 9:23 AM, ItCouldBeWorse said:

 

I also didn't understand the resolution of the case.  Mike threatened to file a class action suit if the insurance company didn't pay $50 million dollars with an admission of guilt.  The insurance company attorney said that the company would never go for an admission of guilt (with regard to trying to get out of paying claims) so Mike said that instead of the admission of guilt, the attorney will participate in a puff-piece interview about Mike that will put to bed any chance of a future "pos" attorney using Mike's well-earned history against a future client of his. The attorney claimed to have been set-up, since Mike knew that the insurance company would never make an admission. How was he set up?  He didn't have to agree to the interview.  He also doesn't have the capacity to agree to pay $50 million on a $300,000 insurance policy, threat of class action or not. $50 million for what?  How does he know that there won't be a class action suit filed later?  Is Mike agreeing to bury the evidence his investigator turned up?  That's just an outrageous amount for one plaintiff considering this wasn't a case where the plaintiff was suing another driver for wrongful death (that is, that the wife's death was caused by negligence or recklessness.)

My thoughts exactly. I'm late to the hate-watching party but I saw 8 episodes on my recorder and figured I'd better start sooner or later. This made no sense whatsoever. Instead of an admission of guilt, he does a newspaper piece saying how great Mike is? What? 

 

I'm determined to hang on for this season to see any 100th episode bombshell or something, but boy is it getting tough.

[Roseanna]

On ‎21‎.‎7‎.‎2017 at 8:07 AM, Rascotes said:

Was nice seeing Katrina again.  Why wasn't she the one to take over the associates?  As an experienced partner, wouldn't that have made more sense than Rachel?

I agree.

On ‎21‎.‎7‎.‎2017 at 8:44 PM, Carolina Girl said:

Yeah, it really still is.  A firm the size of PSL does not need a COO or a CEO.  It needs a Business Manager and/or Office Manager.  She's only genuinely qualified to do the latter.  

If I remember right, Donna admitted that she had never even helped Harvey with legal papers. On the basis of what we have seen, she mostly has given advice to Harvey, Lois and Rachel, in a very un-secretary like manner.   

[Roseanna]

Mike said to Harvey that he shouldn't try to be like Jessica but be himself, the same Harvey was when he hired Mike. But just that was the best example how a boss should never act. Harvey never thought how it would influence on the firm. Like Jessica said, he never looked at "the big picture" as she did.

Also generally, "being himself" doesn't mean that a person always acts in the same way when his/her role is different. In Suits, Jessica is the only one who seems to understand it.