Let's try to market this: media, articles and interviews

[Florinaldo]

 I don't mind a PR team working hard for their people, but with Darren's team, it does feel positively predatory.

I fail to see who exactly is supposed to be the target of this alleged predation. They are just doing their job and are highly effective at it. I wish all of our PR staff achieved such regular results, although his personal networking must also be a factor.

 

Also, I follow THR on twitter and purchase the physical copy of the magazine. It's the few entertainment magazine I do (along with People and EW) and I know for a fact that Chris was written about when he wrote an episode of Glee, there was also a story recently about his first children's illustration book, there were articles about his book deals with his publisher, news items when his books topped the NYT best-sellers list, etc. Not to mention all the other coverage of his writing an episode - EW, TV Guide, Vulture, People, TV Line, E! Online, etc.

Now, now. Don't let cumbersome facts get in the way.   ;-)

 

 

As for the titles of the various articles, they are ultimately the responsibility of the sites or publications. The PR team might in some cases make suggestions, but most media frown upon that, except for the lazy ones that simply cut and paste a press release's headline. It's also up to each media to decide whether or not they carry any bit of news.

 

And the first song, Rise, is a co-writing credit for Darren, there are five other people who worked on the song. Milestone indeed.

One of these people tweeted that he made contributions but that DC did the "brunt" of the work. I suppose that explains why he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact.

[Hana Chan]

When the doctor I work for writes a paper for publication with other physicians, there might be a primary author, but everyone who contributes to the paper gets credited. If Darren didn't write the song totally on his own, then no, he doesn't deserve so credit by the media for writing the song.

Edited February 28, 2015 by Hana Chan

[fakeempress]

 

One of these people tweeted that he made contributions but that DC did the "brunt" of the work. I suppose that explains why he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact.

Does he get the sole industry /copyright credit for Rise, such as "Music and lyrics by Darren Criss", and where can we see that. As it is now, the HR article gives him a co-writing credit for Rise, with five other people, including Theo who tweeted this. Let's get down to the annoying facts, and I'll agree with you no problem if you give actual evidence. 

 

 

Now, now. Don't let cumbersome facts get in the way.   ;-) 

As these cumbersome facts were already mentioned by a few posters including myself (it's not hard to go back and check), before truthaboutluv decided they weren't - nice non-sequitur. 

Edited February 28, 2015 by fakeempress

[Danielle87]

 

I fail to see who exactly is supposed to be the target of this alleged predation. They are just doing their job and are highly effective at it. I wish all of our PR staff achieved such regular results, although his personal networking must also be a factor.

 

Me neither. Sounds like they're just doing their (overpaid) job to me. Then again I tend to only look at articles on people I actually like.

[caracas1914]

The  PR for the Noel movie will probably be jump started by the Director himself, who seems to be twitter hungry so that will be interesting.

 

Have to say I like how Grant Gustin promotes The Flash through social media.

[fakeempress]

 

The  PR for the Noel movie will probably be jump started by the Director himself, who seems to be twitter hungry so that will be interesting.

So far he's been a bit restrained for my taste for details. And he has to start shooting it for real first, but it will be interesting how the PR goes. Like, will there be headlines how this is the second role that has been brought directly to Chris or written especially for him, to qualify him for the milestone label as per tom87 ?

Edited February 28, 2015 by fakeempress

[fakeempress]

One of these people tweeted that he made contributions but that DC did the "brunt" of the work. I suppose that explains why he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact.

 

Official credits for “Rise” on the BMI database, voila:

 

Edited February 28, 2015 by fakeempress

[Florinaldo]

I just saw that listing on BMI. I am not sure if they have rules to apportion proportional credit or if they have adjudication procedures like the Screenwriters Guild does. I think that the person listed first is considered the primary or principal author, much like on scientific papers. Which would jibe with what Katzman tweeted about DC doing the "brunt" of the work.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Florinaldo

[caracas1914]

Seems like they listed the song writers of "Rise" in alphabetical Order.

 

C, H, K, M, R, T        or maybe that's too obvious.

 

Regardless, congrats to all 6 talented song writers on  getting one of their songs on Glee.

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[fakeempress]

I just saw that listing on BMI. I am not sure if they have rules to apportion proportional credit or if they have adjudication procedures like the Screenwriters Guild does. I think that the person listed first is considered the primary or principal author, much like on scientific papers. Which would jibe with what Katzman tweeted about DC doing the "brunt" of the work.

LOL man, you'll die on your sword. What happened to "he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact." . 

 

C, H, K, M, R, T        or maybe that's too obvious.

Regardless, congrats to all 6 talented song writers on  getting one of their songs on Glee.

You are too logical and obvious. No bueno. 

Congrats indeed.

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[Florinaldo]

LOL man, you'll die on your sword but won't admit the annoying fact that you stated here, for all to see: "I suppose that explains why he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact."

Now now, don't get giddy too fast. At that point I was going by the public reports and press articles which credited him or mentioned him solely, as they were our only source of information. The newly published BMI listing changes things, without negating the fact of the Katzman tweet, which I was referencing.

 

It's not surprising that most media reports would credit only the most well-known person, it makes it simpler to write a piece. Just as for scientific papers, references sometimes say only "Author X et al.".

 

I still am curious about their rules for the proportional allocation of rights (and possible revenues) when there are many authors of varying contribution.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Florinaldo

[Ceeg]

[caracas1914]

 

 

LMAO....Good one, Amber!

[Florinaldo]

Amusing and wise message from AR.

 

I wonder how long-lived the Glee fandom will be after the show ends and how many people will not be able to let go. It may become one of those semi-secret and quasi-cultish niche fandoms.

[Myrna123]

Amusing and wise message from AR.

 

I wonder how long-lived the Glee fandom will be after the show ends and how many people will not be able to let go. It may become one of those semi-secret and quasi-cultish niche fandoms.

As long as Glee is on netflix, viewers will keep discovering the show. I imagine the overarching reaction will not be cultish fanning, but rather astonishment at how unbelievably awful the show got.

[fakeempress]

 

 

Now now, don't get giddy too fast. At that point I was going by the public reports and press articles which credited him or mentioned him solely, as they were our only source of information. The newly published BMI listing changes things, without negating the Katzman tweet.

Man, I mentioned twice in this conversation that the HR article gave him co-writing credit with 5 other people, and linked it for all who care to see, as our practice here is to provide sources. You quoted me on the HR co-writing info to shut it down with an alleged sole credit --  and now insist that at that time the press credited him solely? I guess the HR article doesn't qualify as either a public report or press article for you, good to know.

 

I said if you give actual evidence about the sole credit, I'll agree with you. Sad to see there is no reciprocity (not really, I'm amused if anything). 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[caracas1914]

Well Ryan Murphy had grandly announced a tour with the Noobs of Season 4, then later said maybe a HW bowl one evening performance.  Some atribute part of the sidelining of the old Regulars is the perception that they told RM in no uncertain terms they would not tour again after the 2nd Glee tour.

 

Oh well, there is still the BW Musical of Glee that Ryan and company were planning.

[tom87]

I am waiting for the parody play some back street Chicago theater group does in 20 years like they did with the Brady Bunch.

 

I thought the Hollywood Bowl thing was an suggestion to  no concert tour after season 3.  Did he say it again with the noobs?

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/295322/glee-summer-concert-tour-canceled

Edited March 1, 2015 by tom87

[fakeempress]

Oh well, there is still the BW Musical of Glee that Ryan and company were planning.

They were? I thought to myself how they may one day -- must have missed that Ryan was already on the ball. 

 

I think they publicised the Glee cast who perform tonight at the Family Equality Council awards dinner as the last Glee live performance or something of the kind. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[Florinaldo]

As long as Glee is on netflix, viewers will keep discovering the show.

 

Netflix, DVDs/BDs and other means of distribution will keep making the show available, but fandom is another matter. People who were around in the late 60s and 70s for example have told me that fan activity around The Prisoner was tremendous in those days, even with the "primitive" means of distribution and communication available at the time, and that what is going on today is nothing in comparison despite our more technologically advanced resources. The show is still widely watched but fandom has not renewed itself in comparable numbers. A similar process is probable for Glee as for most shows that go off the air.

 

Man, I mentioned twice in this conversation that the HR article gave him co-writing credit with 5 other people, and linked it for all who care to see, as our practice here is to provide sources.

I never denied that there were mentions of the multiple writers; how else could we have been discussing that fact even before the BMI listing appeared? THR is a professional publication so of course its reporting will be more thorough, while other outlets will consider details to be burdensome and a hindrance to the story as many younger reporters do. But even THR played up DC as the main author in its headline and lead, quite normal since he is the most well-known. and did not go into much details; only Katzman lifted the veil, just slightly, on the mechanics of the collaboration. 

 

Other reports from cast and crew were even sketchier and only mentioned DC for the most part.

 

The Family Council Awards are indeed publicised as the last ever live appearance by the cast, as in this article. Which is probably true as far as big ensemble appearances go, considering they will now be going their separate ways to their respective projects. I would expect though that some of them will pop together for a one-night performance from time to time.

[tom87]

I never really believed the musical was really an option.  Maybe a suggestion thrown at there at one time but never past  the first stage. .

[fakeempress]

 

I never denied that there were mentions of the multiple writers; how else could we have been discussing that fact even before the BMI listing appeared?

Straw-manning about mentions now? You denied the report of multiple writers credit which I talked about, and then denied that the reports about the multiple writers credit were even there. 

 

But even with the straw-manning, let's see how you never denied mentions of multiple writers.

 

At that point I was going by the public reports and press articles which credited him or mentioned him solely, as they were our only source of information. The newly published BMI listing changes things, without negating the Katzman tweet.

"credited him or mentioned him solely" - seems pretty clear denial of mentions of multiple writers to me  --  when the HR article didn't mention him solely, on the contrary, it mentioned multiple writers -- and you could see that already because it was linked upthread and you explicitly quoted me on the multliple writers in order to say he got sole credit ("he gets sole credit. I know, I know; another annoying fact." ) 

 

Maybe it's denial day today where you are, idk. I'm curious how many "facts" will you invent just to avoid saying you were wrong?

HR is a professional publication so of course its reporting will be more thorough, while other outlets will consider details to be burdensome and a hindrance to the story as many younger reporters do. But even THR played up DC as the main author in its headline and lead,

HR played him up with the milestone which is why I brought the article here in the first place, but it never attributed sole credit or denied - even in the HLEAD - that there were other writers -- and the existence and reports of the other writers is all that shebang about the sole credit is about, ain't it.

 

Here is the HLEAD of the article: (headline, slugline and lead paragraph - so that we don't go into a 10-round denial of what HLEAD means)

 

Darren Criss Sets 'Glee' Musical Milestone (Exclusive)

 

The singer-actor and Broadway star becomes the first castmember to write original songs for the Fox musical.

 

Star Darren Criss has become the first castmember to write (and co-write) original songs specifically for the Fox musical, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[galax-arena]

[fakeempress]

Galax, I'm curious how far that poster will go. You can go to sleep :) 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[caracas1914]

Somebody have coffee? ;)

Paley Panel in March should be fun, I'm curious how much the cast will "loosen up" in the Q/A. Somebody plie them with liquor.

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[fakeempress]

I'm curious if Chris will be there as announced, and also if RIB will show up. Liquour the panelists is a good idea :) They should tap Andy Cohen and his WWHL bartenders as panel hosts. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[Cranberry]

Galax, I'm curious how far that poster will go. You can go to sleep :)

Hopefully not much further, as this debate is getting repetitive and overly personal. You've both made your points; it's time to let it go.

[caracas1914]

My suspicion is Chris will be off to merry Ole England by then.

The Paley Panel is March 13 and some of the same cast ( Lea, Darren) are flying off the next weekend for a Glee convention in Paris, France.

Now prices for that affair are pretty steep.

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[fakeempress]

I was surprised that Lea is doing the convention, to be honest. Scream Queens starts shooting in April I think, so maybe she will squeeze in some vacationing in Paris and why not get the appearance fees before starting the new show. 

 

Since today is my day for looking up random info (and I'm holed up quasi-sick at home), I looked up the fees cause I never was nor will be a con person. Lordy! The fee for Darren's meeting room (1hr in his presence for 30 ppl max) is EUR 400 per person. For Lea's it's EUR 250 (cheaper!)

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[tom87]

I was surprised that Lea is doing the convention, to be honest. Scream Queens starts shooting in April I think, so maybe she will squeeze in some vacationing in Paris and why not get the appearance fees before starting the new show. 

 

Since today is my day for looking up random info (and I'm holed up quasi-sick at home), I looked up the fees cause I never was nor will be a con person. Lordy! Darren's meeting room fee (1hr in his presence for 30 ppl max) is EUR 400 per person. Lea's is EUR 250 (cheaper!)

April?  Where did you get it starts filming in April?

 

I think she may have agreed to the convention before getting SQs.

 

I wonder if Lea's/other's meeting room is a whole hour? I can she her doing 30 minutes tops.  Only Darren's specifies an hour so the higher cost???

 

ETA; Just notice Darren is just there for one day.  So supply and demand jack that price up more. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by tom87

[fakeempress]

No firm source, just think tumblr people were talking about April, but I've also seen some mention March. So far the news reports mention "spring". 

 

I'd think if she wasn't going to the con, the con site will take her off the booking module? Idk how cons work. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[tom87]

No firm source, just think tumblr people were talking about April, but I've also seen some mention March. So far the news reports mention "spring". 

 

I'd think if she wasn't going to the con, the con site will take her off the fee booking module? Idk how cons work. 

Oh she originally said she started like a week or so after glee ended.

 

I do not think there is reason to think she isn't going due to SQ.  Probably will work around her schedule since it was a  already booked.

Edited March 1, 2015 by tom87

[mercfan3]

I think it's really cool that Darren includes Katzman in this type of stuff. It's a little ironic, because Katzman was part of a college band (My Dear Disco/Ella Riot) that was pretty big on the UMich campus (and a group Darren was a huge fan of.) But it's always nice to see Darren involving his old classmates, which he does quite often. And honestly, I think that's the bigger story with the co-write..the song was written with Darren's people more than Glee's people. 

[caracas1914]

Yes, I read Lea's comments that Scream Queens was starting a week after Glee ended.

I'm inclined to think with a large recurring cast she might not be needed week in and week out.

[fakeempress]

I think it's really cool that Darren includes Katzman in this type of stuff. It's a little ironic, because Katzman was part of a college band (My Dear Disco/Ella Riot) that was pretty big on the UMich campus (and a group Darren was a huge fan of.) But it's always nice to see Darren involving his old classmates, which he does quite often. And honestly, I think that's the bigger story with the co-write..the song was written with Darren's people more than Glee's people. 

Darren has seemed to me closely attached to his UMich groups incl. Starkid from what I've read. Theo was his support act on the tour, I don't know the other names on the song's credits. 

 

This story about the co-write you mention - which also could be more interesting to me personally - could be the bigger one for (part of ) the fandom on the receiving end, and for let's say (generously) a Rolling Stone-type, or even general magazine type reporting  -- but not for the HR type entertainment press, I don't think. There the Glee connection gets more eyeballs and hits than Darren working with his college buddies. And I'm not sure Darren's publicity would want to draw more attention to his college buddies in a headline article, than to the fact the song is going to be on Glee. Imo. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[caracas1914]

I think it's really cool that Darren includes Katzman in this type of stuff. It's a little ironic, because Katzman was part of a college band (My Dear Disco/Ella Riot) that was pretty big on the UMich campus (and a group Darren was a huge fan of.)

 

Nice shade of Katzman.  I think Darren included him because he's a fine musician he's worked with previously, not due to some noblesse oblige as you seem to imply.  Hardly see the irony of working with old friends and acquaintances that are professionally very good at their profession.

 

I've seeen Katzman live and he's fucking awesome, puts on a great show.

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[Cranberry]

How was that comment shade?

[caracas1914]

How was that comment shade?

 

I don't find using a musician you admire and have worked with "ironic" simply because now you have a bigger celebrity status, that's all.  They've actually worked together off and on for several years.   I admit I'm biased because I think using someone as talented as Katzman is a slam dunk.

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[Cranberry]

I see. I think that "ironic" was probably a bad word choice, but I didn't read mercfan3's comment as deliberately throwing shade. I also don't feel like reading another long, snarky debate about word choice.

[caracas1914]

I hearya.    Most of the Glee cast works with friends and professionals they are comfortable, with.  In the case of the ones like Darren  who went to a 4 year college theatre  program, i hardly find it surprising that Alumni work with one another.  

 

On a sidenote, Demi Lovato and Kevin Mchale went to school together and Matt Bomer and Lee Pace trace back to the same theatre programs back in Texas High schools.

[mercfan3]

Nice shade of Katzman.  I think Darren included him because he's a fine musician he's worked with previously, not due to some noblesse oblige as you seem to imply.  Hardly see the irony of working with old friends and acquaintances that are professionally very good at their profession.

 

I've seeen Katzman live and he's fucking awesome, puts on a great show.

 

I've seen Katzman live too. I love the guy. I love his old band. The use of "ironic" wasn't meant to be shade, perhaps a bad word choice. (I love a lot of that UMich group.) I simply meant that given that Theo is someone that it seems to me that Darren almost idolized in college (he said as much pertaining to the Theo's old band.) And that's it's kind of funny how Darren is the one bringing them on for his projects. 

 

And as said above..I actually think that's the cooler bit of the story. Yea, Darren co-wrote the song, but he co-wrote it with Theo. Who is his college buddy. And it's going to be on Glee. That's kind of fun, I think. 

 

I actually think it's a little different that a group of alumni have seemed to continue such strong connections and find ways to work together given the nature of the entertainment industry.  I will say, that it seems like Theo and Darren are more than just "alumni that work together." They work together a ton. He seems like he's Darren's number one choice for whatever musical needs he has. (Helping to cowrite, and opener, and accompaniment on percussion..etc..) 

Edited March 1, 2015 by mercfan3

[caracas1914]

And that's it's kind of funny how Darren is now helping out these people he thinks so much of.

 

OK, just that  I think that's fairly typical of a lot people, that folks  they admired they later work with. 

 

Which is great I agree.

In that Access Hollywood interview with Matt:

 

http://www.accesshollywood.com/matthew-morrison-is-he-ready-to-say-goodbye-to-glee_video_2659137

 

Matt seems to confuse his last number with the last group number, so who knows?

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[camussie]

Both Mark and Kevin are from Dallas.  Kevin from Plano and Mark from Richardson - two suburbs adjacent to each other.  

[mercfan3]

OK, just that  I think that's fairly typical of a lot people, that folks  they admired they later work with. 

 

Which is great I agree.

In that Access Hollywood interview with Matt:

 

http://www.accesshollywood.com/matthew-morrison-is-he-ready-to-say-goodbye-to-glee_video_2659137

 

Matt seems to confuse his last number with the last group number, so who knows?

 

Kind of. A lot of times you don't get to work with the people that you admire. 

 

And for me it's more about it being from a class of students. It wouldn't be as interesting to me if say, Darren and Lea worked together in the future, or Darren and Chris (although heaven help them if they did.). Sure, it would be nice and cute. But there's something that I simply find interesting about a college music program sticking together in the way the UMich kids do. It's probably more personal because I've been a part of a music/theatre program, but it's still something that I find endearing.  

Edited March 1, 2015 by mercfan3

[caracas1914]

I actually think it's a little different that a group of alumni have seemed to continue such strong connections and find ways to work together given the nature of the entertainment industry

 

No problem, but this is where you lose me.

 

I've seen plenty examples of tight friendships/professional collaborations that go on for DECADES in HW with a tight group of friends/collegaues.  .  Come back in 20 -30 years when all these people have been in the biz that long and then we'll talk how different it is.

 

Both Mark and Kevin are from Dallas.  Kevin from Plano and Mark from Richardson - two suburbs adjacent to each other.

 

 

Cool..!

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[camussie]

There is a clip of Cory, Amber, and Kevin being interviewed on the Kid Kraddick radio show which they visited when they stopped in Dallas during the September 2009 mall tour.  In it Kevin is positively giddy as that was a big deal to a Dallas kid.  To give some background, Kidd was nationally syndicated but he started out in the Dallas market and continued to be a huge deal there.  Kelly Clarkson (also from around Dallas) had the same fangirl reaction the first time she was on his show.  Sadly Kidd passed from a heart attack, brought on by cancer treatment, just a couple of weeks after Cory. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by camussie

[caracas1914]

I remember reading how the Original cast of "Spring Awakening", including Lea , Jonathan Groff, and Skylar Astin are pretty tight and have SA reunions 7/8 years after the fact when they all started.   It's so cool that those 3 (and the actress who played Nurse Penny, Phoebe Strol) all reappeared on Glee and have found career success after SA.  Add John Gallagher who was in "The Newsroom".

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914

[fakeempress]

People can also form fast bonds in their first successful show like Glee is for our actors. I loved Freaks and Geeks, and Seth-Franco collab with a side of Jason) has been going strong. Wonder if there'll be a power duo hopefuls like them emerging here, aside from Melissa and Blake. Kevin-Amber? (There was also the Linda C. - Jason affair and breakup). 

 

The cast of school / college themed shows seem most prone to these couplings, romantic and professional friendships and collaborations. Some longer term, some fizzle out. Also, strong antagonisms, which I most associate with BH 90210. BH90210 was the beacon in the night (lol) for those sort of things, and was satirized for that in Grosse Pointe, which was a gem of a show I discovered one summer on DVD.. 

Edited March 1, 2015 by fakeempress

[mercfan3]

I'd personally love it if we got an unholy trinity power trio out of Glee. I doubt if we will, but I'd take Dianna/Naya too. 

[caracas1914]

Cote de Pablo (from CSI) Matt Bomer, Joseph Mangiano and Zachary Quinto  all are alumni of the drama dept of Carnegie Mellon  and 15 years later still intersect with production companies, reunions, etc. 

 

And of course , two "Magic Mikes" to show the Matt/Joseph collaborations.....   !!

Edited March 1, 2015 by caracas1914