Season 2 Discussion

[Real Eyes]

I actually don't believe Russ sees anything wrong with what she's doing.  I think it is all manufactured.

Just now, Latenites said:

I don't think he worked the whole time he lived with Danyeel. 

True, but to be fair to him, half their TLC income would rightfully be his.

 

That said, as I posted on the Danielle/Mohammed thread, I didn't watch the season they appeared in.  I was first exposed to them the year he went to Florida with Luisa, and his interactions with her proved to me he is a con artist.

I'm not saying Danielle was right to marry him, she wasn't, but I think there was a lot of manipulation on his part.  I saw how he tried to manipulate the tough as nails Luisa, but couldn't, as she is as big a con artist as he is.

[Sprockets]

23 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

They were living separate and apart.  Were he a decent human being, he would not take out more than his "share" of those funds.  Just reinforces my point that he is a lowlife scum.

First, we don't know the truth of the allegation.  Second, the nature of a joint account is that both account holders always have 100% right to all the funds.  If Danielle didn't want that to happen, she should have made other financial arrangements.  So, given the legalities and only having Danielle's word for any of this, I don't think it can be called proof of anything much.  

11 minutes ago, Latenites said:

 

28 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

They were living separate and apart.  Were he a decent human being, he would not take out more than his "share" of those funds.  Just reinforces my point that he is a lowlife scum.

I haven't heard he is working construction.

I don't think he worked the whole time he lived with Danyeel. 

 

There would have been a period of time during which he was not permitted to work.  Does anyone know what that was?  

[magemaud]

20 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Regarding Danielle's medical problem, if I remember correctly, Mo didn't say anything about it until she outed herself on the tell all.

You're right, I recall that in response to a question about their sex life (?) Danielle blurted out, (tearfully, of course) "HE SAID THAT I STINK!" and then Mo said something like, "I said you have a problem that should be evaluated by a doctor." She definitely brought up the subject herself! 

[Real Eyes]

2 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

First, we don't know the truth of the allegation.  Second, the nature of a joint account is that both account holders always have 100% right to all the funds.  If Danielle didn't want that to happen, she should have made other financial arrangements.  So, given the legalities and only having Danielle's word for any of this, I don't think it can be called proof of anything much.  

IIRC, Danielle confronted Mohammed on draining the account, and he didn't deny it.

Yes, he is legally entitled to drain the account.  But that still says a lot about his lack of character.  

[Nowhere]

2 minutes ago, magemaud said:

You're right, I recall that in response to a question about their sex life (?) Danielle blurted out, (tearfully, of course) "HE SAID THAT I STINK!" and then Mo said something like, "I said you have a problem that should be evaluated by a doctor." She definitely brought up the subject herself! 

That's exactly what I remember too. 

[Sprockets]

42 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

 

Not only is Pao no better than Anfisa, she's actually worse because she wasn't upfront about her intentions. She didn't tell him her goal was to become a lingerie model. 

Was that her goal?  My understanding was that she just wanted to be a model - which at her age and with her body kind of ends up being lingerie.  

 

42 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Actually, I've always thought that Russ isn't out of the closet yet.

 

Oh yeah.  That was pretty clear from the start.  

[brillia79]

47 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

She'd still be responsible for any payments he took from the taxpayer, pre nup notwithstanding.   But Pedro doesn't strike me as the type who will sit on welfare.

I wouldn't think so either. Same with Alexei. But divorces can turn ugly and vengeful very quickly.

[NinaH]

10 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

That's exactly what I remember too. 

Same here, SHE brought it up and he still tried to hem haw around and not say anything, except that it was "personal" or a "private matter".  So Danielle can stfu about that. 

[Real Eyes]

4 hours ago, Cini said:

I thought Anfisa handled herself well with regards to the bullying by Pao and Loren. 

I didn't view it as bullying.  They asked questions, and said things that a lot of viewers are thinking.  Rude?  Yes.  But they weren't wrong.

Anfisa married Jorge for money.  That is the definition of a golddigger.  She couldn't do the same in Moscow because in Moscow, she is far below average, looks wise.  

[Nowhere]

18 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I didn't view it as bullying.  They asked questions, and said things that a lot of viewers are thinking.  Rude?  Yes.  But they weren't wrong.

Anfisa married Jorge for money.  That is the definition of a golddigger.  She couldn't do the same in Moscow because in Moscow, she is far below average, looks wise.  

They made fun of her looks, laughed at her and called her a liar when they found out Jorge was her first, accused her of going to a "gold digger's academy", called her a bitch, wouldn't let her respond or defend herself, etc. I think that's bullying. Even if we are all thinking these things, they don't need to be said. It wasn't just that they asked questions. They were pretty vicious. 

[DVDFreaker]

2 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

They made fun of her looks, laughed at her and called her a liar when they found out Jorge was her first, accused her of going to a "gold digger's academy", called her a bitch, wouldn't let her respond or defend herself, etc. I think that's bullying. Even if we are all thinking these things, they don't need to be said. It wasn't just that they asked questions. They were pretty vicious. 

Nowhere is right and that is why I said Loren and Paulo are both cruel bitches, at least Chantel did not join them 

[Real Eyes]

I think Paola just said she "wasn't that beautiful".  Objectively, that is true.  Anfisa is not a beauty.  

She wasn't accused of going to a golddigger academy, she was asked if they really exist.

Anfisa is a bitch, or at least, her portrayal on the programme is of an unhinged bitch.

So no, I don't think these things were bullying.  Harsh reality, yes.  Impolite, yes.  But they were the truth.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Real Eyes

[NinaH]

28 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I didn't view it as bullying.  They asked questions, and said things that a lot of viewers are thinking.  Rude?  Yes.  But they weren't wrong.

Anfisa married Jorge for money.  That is the definition of a golddigger.  She couldn't do the same in Moscow because in Moscow, she is far below average, looks wise.  

So ragging on someone's looks, making smart ass comments about mail order bride, calling Anfisa a bitch, YELLING at her, telling her to get a f*cking job...none of that is bullying to you?  

As in most cases, it's not what you say, but how you say it that makes or breaks your argument.  

I guess Loren is in the same boat as Anfisa. She had to go looking for love in a foreign country because no American man wanted her either.  

[Real Eyes]

14 minutes ago, NinaH said:

So ragging on someone's looks, making smart ass comments about mail order bride, calling Anfisa a bitch, YELLING at her, telling her to get a f*cking job...none of that is bullying to you?  

As in most cases, it's not what you say, but how you say it that makes or breaks your argument.  

I guess Loren is in the same boat as Anfisa. She had to go looking for love in a foreign country because no American man wanted her either.  

Nope.  Anfisa put it all out there when she agreed to appear on the programme.  She's not some random girl off the street. She is the one who continually told everyone she's beautiful.  She is the one who said she deserves to be supported by a man because of her looks.

I didn't post that no Russian man wanted Anfisa.  I posted that no Russian man there would look at a gold digger that is not beautiful.

It doesn't matter how what was said was said.  It was all pretty accurate.  FTR, I wouldn't have an issue if someone called Paola out on her delusions of being a model, either.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Real Eyes

[Kid]

3 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

 

Danielles story is an object lesson in don't sign anything unless you truly understand the implications. By sponsoring Mo,  she agreed to support him. She was too blinded by lust to consider what could go wrong, even with a million red flags waving.  No way will Mo be compelled to pay her back and now the USA is stuck with him. Thanks for nothing Danielle. 

Edited 3 hours ago by poeticlicensed.

 And, she did all this while neglecting her own children at the same time. They may be young adults now. But they were young teenagers when she was spending money on the boy toy. And she continues to disregard them.

[Nowhere]

Possibly Jorge shouldn't pick up teenagers off webcam porn sites if he wants a grown woman who isn't concerned with her looks. 

[NinaH]

Just now, Real Eyes said:

Nope.  Anfisa put it all out there when she agreed to appear on the programme.  She's not some random girl off the street.

I didn't post that no Russian man wanted Anfisa.  I posted that no Russian man there would look at a gold digger that is not beautiful.

You're exactly right, Anfisa did put it out there for people to have an opinion on and never once lied.  That doesn't maybe make her admirable for her choices or intentions,  but my hat is off to her for being upfront about it. 

Unlike the spicy Latina (in her head), who has used her goods to manipulate her own husband, never willing to compromise, makes fun of him in her native language while talking to her parents, sat there while her hateful BFF dogged him out and did nothing, argued for a ridiculous move to Miami for a non-existent career, and basically acts like she's too good for him. 

And also unlike whiny baby Loren, who withheld a medical condition that imo isn't that huge of a deal, but it sure is to her, so she purposely held on to that info until she had him on the hook, then when he was finally told the truth about it being hereditary, had the gall to get upset that he had some concerns; had male strippers against his specific wishes at her bachelorette party, then let her BFF take the fall and allow Alexi to blame her for over a year.  I could go on but I think she's shown her true colors long before the reunion. 

She may be cold hearted and omg a gold digger, but you know what you're dealing with with Anfisa upfront. The two bullies lie and misrepresent themselves and then you have to listen to their whining when you find out what their game is. 

#teamanfisa by default 

[Real Eyes]

5 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Possibly Jorge shouldn't pick up teenagers off webcam porn sites if he wants a grown woman who isn't concerned with her looks. 

I don't think Jorge ever said he wanted a woman who wasn't concerned with her looks.  He is a separate issue.

[brillia79]

I feel pretty confident in saying that Paola and Loren were tag teaming Anfisa, who never said anything bad about them. That was bullying. It's hilarious that Pao is now whining about being bullied on Instagram regarding her behavior and blaming it on peer pressure. The only peer egging her on was Loren, so...

She sure threw Loren under the bus quickly.

[Real Eyes]

4 minutes ago, NinaH said:

You're exactly right, Anfisa did put it out there for people to have an opinion on and never once lied.  That doesn't maybe make her admirable for her choices or intentions,  but my hat is off to her for being upfront about it. 

Unlike the spicy Latina (in her head), who has used her goods to manipulate her own husband, never willing to compromise, makes fun of him in her native language while talking to her parents, sat there while her hateful BFF dogged him out and did nothing, argued for a ridiculous move to Miami for a non-existent career, and basically acts like she's too good for him. 

And also unlike whiny baby Loren, who withheld a medical condition that imo isn't that huge of a deal, but it sure is to her, so she purposely held on to that info until she had him on the hook, then when he was finally told the truth about it being hereditary, had the gall to get upset that he had some concerns; had male strippers against his specific wishes at her bachelorette party, then let her BFF take the fall and allow Alexi to blame her for over a year.  I could go on but I think she's shown her true colors long before the reunion. 

She may be cold hearted and omg a gold digger, but you know what you're dealing with with Anfisa upfront. The two bullies lie and misrepresent themselves and then you have to listen to their whining when you find out what their game is. 

#teamanfisa by default 

Did Loren withhold her condition?  We don't know that.  She stated she didn't know Tourette's is hereditary.   I doubt she could have withheld it, given it is fairly obvious.

Just because Anfisa is upfront doesn't mean her gold digging can't be called out for what it is.  

[Nowhere]

2 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I don't think Jorge ever said he wanted a woman who wasn't concerned with her looks.  He is a separate issue.

The money he is complaining about spending was on cosmetic surgery. He knew everything Anfisa wanted and gave her what she wanted while claiming to be a millionaire. Now he's complaining about it? She told him truthfully what she wanted but also said that he was kind to her and she fell in love with him. Young people tend to fall for such scams. Pretend to be a decent human being and buy them gifts and they think the person is sincere. Jorge is a scam artist who is targeting vulnerable young women. 

He met a teenager online and lured her with money and lifestyle that he couldn't provide. I don't feel bad for him. 

[Real Eyes]

8 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

I feel pretty confident in saying that Paola and Loren were tag teaming Anfisa, who never said anything bad about them. That was bullying. It's hilarious that Pao is now whining about being bullied on Instagram regarding her behavior and blaming it on peer pressure. The only peer egging her on was Loren, so...

She sure threw Loren under the bus quickly.

How is calling her out for her bad behaviour on a tv show bullying?  Nothing either of them stated was inaccurate.

1 minute ago, Nowhere said:

The money he is complaining about spending was on cosmetic surgery. He knew everything Anfisa wanted and gave her what she wanted while claiming to be a millionaire. Now he's complaining about it? She told him truthfully what she wanted but also said that he was kind to her and she fell in love with him. Young people tend to fall for such scams. Pretend to be a decent human being and buy them gifts and they think the person is sincere. Jorge is a scam artist who is targeting vulnerable young women. 

He met a teenager online and lured her with money and lifestyle that he couldn't provide. I don't feel bad for him. 

I didn't view his statements on how much he spent as complaining.  

I don't feel bad for him either.  But I also don't view Anfisa as some naive waif.  Russian women grow up a lot faster than do women in the West.  She knew exactly what she was doing.

[Bunnygirl]

16 hours ago, SoshulMeedya said:

Mmmmm, yeah, I don't know. TLC struck gold with Danielle. I'm sure they've already dreamed up a way to keep exploiting her.

Now if TLC had Mama June and Honey Boo Boo move in with Danielle for a while, I'd watch that! 

(Obviously I'm a trashy tv whore, too.)?

Save me a seat, I'll be sitting next to you! ?

[NinaH]

10 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Did Loren withhold her condition?  We don't know that.  She stated she didn't know Tourette's is hereditary.   I doubt she could have withheld it, given it is fairly obvious.

Just because Anfisa is upfront doesn't mean her gold digging can't be called out for what it is.  

Not by a couple of whiny hypocrites 

[Real Eyes]

Just now, NinaH said:

Not by a couple of whiny hypocrites 

It can be called out by anyone.  Please point to one thing which either of them stated that was inaccurate.

How is Loren a hypocrite?  She actually LOVES her husband.  

[NinaH]

16 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

I feel pretty confident in saying that Paola and Loren were tag teaming Anfisa, who never said anything bad about them. That was bullying. It's hilarious that Pao is now whining about being bullied on Instagram regarding her behavior and blaming it on peer pressure. The only peer egging her on was Loren, so...

She sure threw Loren under the bus quickly.

Loren is familiar with throwing others under the bus, ask what's her name regarding the male strippers at the bachelorette party that Loren was forced at gun point to attend. ?

[poeticlicensed]

Bullying is probably the most overused word in the English vocabulary right now. Saying uncomfortable truths is not bullying . Bullying is defined as aggressive or threatening words and behavior where there is a power imbalance. There were no threats , no aggression , and there is certainly no power imbalance between the people on the sofa. Loren and Pao were catty and bitchy, that in and of itself was not bullying 

Edited September 4, 2017 by poeticlicensed

[Real Eyes]

Going to a bachelorette party with strippers is not in the same league as marrying someone for money.

[NinaH]

1 minute ago, Real Eyes said:

It can be called out by anyone.  Please point to one thing which either of them stated that was inaccurate.

How is Loren a hypocrite?  She actually LOVES her husband.  

No one here is saying they weren't accurate, it was their yelling and judging tone and mocking.  Neither of them are authorities on behavior as neither of them are without plenty of fault of their own.  That is how Loren is a hypocrite. You know, sinners and glass houses and all that. 

[seacliffsal]

A lot of bullying actually uses 'fact' as its basis.  People, in mean tones and in attacking or aggressive manners point out the 'facts' of being overweight, short, having a speech impediment, mental disability, or even..tourettes.  Bullying also focuses on behaviors such as 'manning up', not 'fighting back' etc.  So, to say that what Pao and Loren said was true therefore discounting it as bullying discounts many instances of bullying 'in real life.'  Because I was tall for my age in elementary school, I heard many, many comments about it that did accurately reflect the fact that I was tall, but would today be considered as bullying in spite of the accuracy of being about my height.  Of course I expect all of us to have differing views and I totally respect that, but this represents my perspective about the events of the episode.

I believe that the fact that Loren and Pao were tag-teaming different people and accusing them of nefarious behaviors without really allowing an opportunity for a response to have been examples of a bullying behavior or mindset.  What really bothered me is that they were so judgmental in their statements and stated things in purposeful ways to make the recipient of their comments look bad.  I am especially concerned about Loren's behavior because of her focus on Tourettes, and I really don't think she is a good representative for the organization after her behavior in this episode.  It is also very telling that when Alexi mentioned that Columbia must have a gold-diggers academy that Loren really shot a 'look' at Alexi meant to get him to stop.  So, it was okay for Pao to make a connection between the academy and Anfisa, but not for Alexi to make a connection to Pao.  Alrighty then.  A bit of a double standard.  

Jorge is a bit scary. to me  He really looked like he is angry and wants to really portray Anfisa as negatively as possible.  I think Mo really was trying just to get through the interview in order to get his check and get out of there.

Will I be back next week?  Absolutely!

[NinaH]

2 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Going to a bachelorette party with strippers is not in the same league as marrying someone for money.

Nope. But doing things behind your husbands back, and then lying about it, doesn't make her any better than a gold digger who has admitted to being one. 

[Real Eyes]

7 minutes ago, NinaH said:

No one here is saying they weren't accurate, it was their yelling and judging tone and mocking.  Neither of them are authorities on behavior as neither of them are without plenty of fault of their own.  That is how Loren is a hypocrite. You know, sinners and glass houses and all that. 

Loren is Jewish, so the words of Christ on sin probably don't mean much to her.

I have no issue with how they presented their thoughts.  Yes, it could have been done calmly, but overall, it wasn't a big deal.  

I also agree 100% with poeticlicensed.

5 minutes ago, NinaH said:

Nope. But doing things behind your husbands back, and then lying about it, doesn't make her any better than a gold digger who has admitted to being one. 

LOL.  It's in completely different leagues.  Loren's husband forgave her.  

Anfisa was such a stellar human being that as soon as the cash ran out, she did too.

7 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

A lot of bullying actually uses 'fact' as its basis.  People, in mean tones and in attacking or aggressive manners point out the 'facts' of being overweight, short, having a speech impediment, mental disability, or even..tourettes.  Bullying also focuses on behaviors such as 'manning up', not 'fighting back' etc.  So, to say that what Pao and Loren said was true therefore discounting it as bullying discounts many instances of bullying 'in real life.'  Because I was tall for my age in elementary school, I heard many, many comments about it that did accurately reflect the fact that I was tall, but would today be considered as bullying in spite of the accuracy of being about my height.  Of course I expect all of us to have differing views and I totally respect that, but this represents my perspective about the events of the episode.

I believe that the fact that Loren and Pao were tag-teaming different people and accusing them of nefarious behaviors without really allowing an opportunity for a response to have been examples of a bullying behavior or mindset.  What really bothered me is that they were so judgmental in their statements and stated things in purposeful ways to make the recipient of their comments look bad.  I am especially concerned about Loren's behavior because of her focus on Tourettes, and I really don't think she is a good representative for the organization after her behavior in this episode.  It is also very telling that when Alexi mentioned that Columbia must have a gold-diggers academy that Loren really shot a 'look' at Alexi meant to get him to stop.  So, it was okay for Pao to make a connection between the academy and Anfisa, but not for Alexi to make a connection to Pao.  Alrighty then.  A bit of a double standard.  

Jorge is a bit scary. to me  He really looked like he is angry and wants to really portray Anfisa as negatively as possible.  I think Mo really was trying just to get through the interview in order to get his check and get out of there.

Will I be back next week?  Absolutely!

Meh, I don't think calling out poor representatives of humanity (Anfisa and Mohammed) for their crappy behaviour is so terrible.

I wouldn't be afraid in the least of Jorge.  He's coming from a position of pain and humiliation.  As I posted, I don't have sympathy for him, he saw what she was, but I doubt he is a danger.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Real Eyes

[DVDFreaker]

6 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

A lot of bullying actually uses 'fact' as its basis.  People, in mean tones and in attacking or aggressive manners point out the 'facts' of being overweight, short, having a speech impediment, mental disability, or even..tourettes.  Bullying also focuses on behaviors such as 'manning up', not 'fighting back' etc.  So, to say that what Pao and Loren said was true therefore discounting it as bullying discounts many instances of bullying 'in real life.'  Because I was tall for my age in elementary school, I heard many, many comments about it that did accurately reflect the fact that I was tall, but would today be considered as bullying in spite of the accuracy of being about my height.  Of course I expect all of us to have differing views and I totally respect that, but this represents my perspective about the events of the episode.

I believe that the fact that Loren and Pao were tag-teaming different people and accusing them of nefarious behaviors without really allowing an opportunity for a response to have been examples of a bullying behavior or mindset.  What really bothered me is that they were so judgmental in their statements and stated things in purposeful ways to make the recipient of their comments look bad.  I am especially concerned about Loren's behavior because of her focus on Tourettes, and I really don't think she is a good representative for the organization after her behavior in this episode.  It is also very telling that when Alexi mentioned that Columbia must have a gold-diggers academy that Loren really shot a 'look' at Alexi meant to get him to stop.  So, it was okay for Pao to make a connection between the academy and Anfisa, but not for Alexi to make a connection to Pao.  Alrighty then.  A bit of a double standard.  

Jorge is a bit scary. to me  He really looked like he is angry and wants to really portray Anfisa as negatively as possible.  I think Mo really was trying just to get through the interview in order to get his check and get out of there.

Will I be back next week?  Absolutely!

It is funny that you mention that that you do not think she is a good representative for the organization since "many people in the comments were so offended, they are contacting the Tourette's foundation to say that Loren is a poor choice to represent them" You can read about it on page 3 

[NinaH]

7 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Loren is Jewish, so the words of Christ on sin probably don't mean much to her.

I have no issue with how they presented their thoughts.  Yes, it could have been done calmly, but overall, it wasn't a big deal.  

I also agree 100% with poeticlicensed.

LOL.  It's in completely different leagues.  Loren's husband forgave her.  

Anfisa was such a stellar human being that as soon as the cash ran out, she did too.

I never said any of their behaviors are similar, only that Pao & Loren aren't moral experts to be so self-righteous. 

[Real Eyes]

5 minutes ago, NinaH said:

I never said any of their behaviors are similar, only that Pao & Loren aren't moral experts to be so self-righteous. 

Their "self righteousness" was restricted to the fact that people like Anfisa and Mohammed, who don't marry for love, make the K-1 process more difficult for couples who want to build a future together, and that such couples make others think those on K-1's are in it for the wrong reasons.  They were correct on those points.

[brillia79]

6 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

How is calling her out for her bad behaviour on a tv show bullying?  Nothing either of them stated was inaccurate.

I didn't view his statements on how much he spent as complaining.  

I don't feel bad for him either.  But I also don't view Anfisa as some naive waif.  Russian women grow up a lot faster than do women in the West.  She knew exactly what she was doing.

Calling her a fucking bitch within the first minute of the reunion show, implying she went to a golddigger academy (let's not play coy here, that's what Pao was trying to communicate), saying she's not that pretty (subjective, not truth)... that's bullying behavior. And in typical bully fashion, Pao can't take the heat when it's turned on her - whether it's coming from strangers on Instagram or her husband - who she married for the only the right reasons even though she spent all season talking about how the marriage wouldn't work out if they didn't move to Miami for her career (career is subjective).

Im sure Loren would run off the stage crying if anyone, let alone Anfisa, mocked her character. Smiles in your face. Lies about/conceals vital info (I've stated in the other reunion episode thread that I do believe Loren and her parents lied about Tourette's). Acts out of spite and let's friends take the blame. Manipulates herself into the victim position with tears.

Lucky for her, Anfisa didn't "ask her the questions" us viewers wanted answers to.

Anfisa is a golddigger. She has made that very clear. It's far from the worst character flaw in the world. I would've thought the hitting Jorge on camera would've been a bigger deal, but no one on the show even acknowledges it. So why does Loren have such a problem with golddigging when she's got fires to put out in her own relationship? Why is she so adamant that Anfisa's golddigging is the reason the K1 process is stigmatized when others could easily point out that dishonesty on the part of American spouses/the idea of Americans having something wrong with them if they can't find love at home is just as much to blame for the K1 stigma, if not more. Why does it bother Pao so much when she's 2 seconds away from the casting couch and her husband has alluded to this numerous times? Wasn't that her agent talking to her about making a good impression on the millionaires at the Miami party?

What is really going on at home that these two are deflecting big time?

[Nowhere]

16 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Loren is Jewish, so the words of Christ on sin probably don't mean much to her.

 

Wow. So first, Jesus never said shit about glass houses. Second, Jewish people are also concerned about sinning. Christians don't have a monopoly on sin. 

[Deafening Roar]

As someone who has gone thru an immigration process, for those curious about Jorge's finances, we had to show financial information, bank statements, bank account numbers, my pay check stubs for a certain length of time, several years previous tax returns, very in depth info.

Granted we weren't doing a K1 visa but I imagine the requirements are the same or similar. So I'm not sure how Jorge proved anything, unless they used bank acct info and previous year's tax returns. You have to be able to prove you can support yourself and the immigrant as well.

Then again, idk how Jorge could use bank acct info when most banks don't want marijuana dispensers using the bank for their income. Idk, it's beyond me how he proved anything.

[Real Eyes]

2 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

Calling her a fucking bitch within the first minute of the reunion show, implying she went to a golddigger academy (let's not play coy here, that's what Pao was trying to communicate), saying she's not that pretty (subjective, not truth)... that's bullying behavior. And in typical bully fashion, Pao can't take the heat when it's turned on her - whether it's coming from strangers on Instagram or her husband - who she married for the only the right reasons even though she spent all season talking about how the marriage wouldn't work out if they didn't move to Miami for her career (career is subjective).

Im sure Loren would run off the stage crying if anyone, let alone Anfisa, mocked her character. Smiles in your face. Lies about/conceals vital info (I've stated in the other reunion episode thread that I do believe Loren and her parents lied about Tourette's). Acts out of spite and let's friends take the blame. Manipulates herself into the victim position with tears.

Lucky for her, Anfisa didn't "ask her the questions" us viewers wanted answers to.

Anfisa is a golddigger. She has made that very clear. It's far from the worst character flaw in the world. I would've thought the hitting Jorge on camera would've been a bigger deal, but no one on the show even acknowledges it. So why does Loren have such a problem with golddigging when she's got fires to put out in her own relationship? Why is she so adamant that Anfisa's golddigging is the reason the K1 process is stigmatized when others could easily point out that dishonesty on the part of American spouses/the idea of Americans having something wrong with them if they can't find love at home is just as much to blame for the K1 stigma, if not more. Why does it bother Pao so much when she's 2 seconds away from the casting couch and her husband has alluded to this numerous times? Wasn't that her agent talking to her about making a good impression on the millionaires at the Miami party?

What is really going on at home that these two are deflecting big time?

I don't think they were deflecting.

When someone marries an American not because she loves him, but because he supposedly can offer her a better lifestyle, it does stigmatize the K-1 visa programme.

4 minutes ago, Nowhere said:

Wow. So first, Jesus never said shit about glass houses. Second, Jewish people are also concerned about sinning. Christians don't have a monopoly on sin. 

I never stated Christians have a monopoly on sin.  Don't use mixed metaphors.  "Sinners" and casting the first stone is from the New Testament.

[Nowhere]

2 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I don't think they were deflecting.

When someone marries an American not because she loves him, but because he supposedly can offer her a better lifestyle, it does stigmatize the K-1 visa programme.

Anfisa claims that she did love Jorge but he got her attention initially because he claimed to be rich. You didn't see all the good times they had together so you can't really say she absolutely had no feelings for him.

[Real Eyes]

Just now, Nowhere said:

Anfisa claims that she did love Jorge but he got her attention initially because he claimed to be rich. You didn't see all the good times they had together so you can't really say she absolutely had no feelings for him.

Right.  She loved him until the  money ran out.

[Nowhere]

5 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I don't think they were deflecting.

When someone marries an American not because she loves him, but because he supposedly can offer her a better lifestyle, it does stigmatize the K-1 visa programme.

I never stated Christians have a monopoly on sin.  Don't use mixed metaphors.  "Sinners" and casting the first stone is from the New Testament.

But "casting the first stone" was not referenced. 

[Real Eyes]

"Sinners" was.  The metaphor about glass houses has nothing to do with sin.

[Nowhere]

Just now, Real Eyes said:

Right.  She loved him until the  money ran out.

And after she found out he was a liar with a criminal record and no backbone to stand up to her or for her. No woman will love Jorge for long with his attitude. 

[brillia79]

2 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I don't think they were deflecting.

When someone marries an American not because she loves him, but because he supposedly can offer her a better lifestyle, it does stigmatize the K-1 visa programme.

I've said this before, but romantic love as the basis for a marriage is relatively new. Marriages as business transactions was the norm. Marriage as providing stability is still normal. Marriage as a commitment/contract is a norm.

Love, it's great, but not required to get a marriage license. I won't even pretend to know all of the requirements of the K1 process because that's not my domain, but we do know from the show that to get the visa, your money has to be right. Not necessarily you mutual love.

[Real Eyes]

Just now, brillia79 said:

I've said this before, but romantic love as the basis for a marriage is relatively new. Marriages as business transactions was the norm. Marriage as providing stability is still normal. Marriage as a commitment/contract is a norm.

Love, it's great, but not required to get a marriage license. I won't even pretend to know all of the requirements of the K1 process because that's not my domain, but we do know from the show that to get the visa, your money has to be right. Not necessarily you mutual love.

This is not true in Russia.  Russian peasants for example, always had the right to choose their spouses.

[NinaH]

12 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

Calling her a fucking bitch within the first minute of the reunion show, implying she went to a golddigger academy (let's not play coy here, that's what Pao was trying to communicate), saying she's not that pretty (subjective, not truth)... that's bullying behavior. And in typical bully fashion, Pao can't take the heat when it's turned on her - whether it's coming from strangers on Instagram or her husband - who she married for the only the right reasons even though she spent all season talking about how the marriage wouldn't work out if they didn't move to Miami for her career (career is subjective).

Im sure Loren would run off the stage crying if anyone, let alone Anfisa, mocked her character. Smiles in your face. Lies about/conceals vital info (I've stated in the other reunion episode thread that I do believe Loren and her parents lied about Tourette's). Acts out of spite and let's friends take the blame. Manipulates herself into the victim position with tears.

Lucky for her, Anfisa didn't "ask her the questions" us viewers wanted answers to.

Anfisa is a golddigger. She has made that very clear. It's far from the worst character flaw in the world. I would've thought the hitting Jorge on camera would've been a bigger deal, but no one on the show even acknowledges it. So why does Loren have such a problem with golddigging when she's got fires to put out in her own relationship? Why is she so adamant that Anfisa's golddigging is the reason the K1 process is stigmatized when others could easily point out that dishonesty on the part of American spouses/the idea of Americans having something wrong with them if they can't find love at home is just as much to blame for the K1 stigma, if not more. Why does it bother Pao so much when she's 2 seconds away from the casting couch and her husband has alluded to this numerous times? Wasn't that her agent talking to her about making a good impression on the millionaires at the Miami party?

What is really going on at home that these two are deflecting big time?

Spot on to everything you said

[poeticlicensed]

3 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

I don't think they were deflecting.

When someone marries an American not because she loves him, but because he supposedly can offer her a better lifestyle, it does stigmatize the K-1 visa programme.

Not to get all theoretical, but what makes a marriage legit ? The notion of marrying for love is a modern invention. Up until the ,20th century, people married for security, for economics , marriages in some cases were arranged. Much more of a business transaction than today. So in judging a k1 what exactly are they looking for that makes a marriage legit ? Because I don't see how Pao and Russ are much different than Jorge and anfisa except that anfisa is more straightforward about her intentions. And Jorge was a liar. So how is a marriage based on a business transaction where each person getting something out of it judged less worthy than those "love matches"? I'm not saying they are or they are not, but it's interesting to ponder.

[Nowhere]

2 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

"Sinners" was.  The metaphor about glass houses has nothing to do with sin.

The concept of sin was written in  the Torah, the Jewish bible, before Christianity ever existed. Look it up before replying. 

[brillia79]

34 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

Going to a bachelorette party with strippers is not in the same league as marrying someone for money.

Lying and telling your husband that your friend set up the strippers you asked for after you agreed not to have any, thus causing a rift between your husband and your best friend...

To me, that's much worse than marrying for money. That's a serious character flaw.