S09.E03: A New Low

[Yours Truly]

Tell ya one thing Ramona's eyes are getting crazier by the minute.. LOL!

Edited April 28, 2017 by Yours Truly

[AndySmith]

I'm not using anecdotal evidence to justify anything.

[Yours Truly]

Cool Beans!

Edited April 28, 2017 by Yours Truly

[AndySmith]

"Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony."

6 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I've seen it more than not. So there you go.

[Yours Truly]

13 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

"Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony."

"Definitely NOT average teenage shenanigans.."

What scientific study lead you to THAT conclusion?

Just wondering.

Anywhoo,

Back to Beth's soft porn.....

Edited April 28, 2017 by Yours Truly

[AndySmith]

If a study was commissioned, the number of kids found to have been expelled from their school cross referenced with the number of kids who broke an arm from falling while trying to sneak out of their homes is probably not that common or high.

Well, it might be among students who were expelled from their schools.

[motorcitymom65]

On 4/27/2017 at 9:09 AM, Yours Truly said:

Exactly! That's why "troubled past" is out of context or in my opinion hysterical to use in the case of Victoria.

Cutting school

Smoking weed

Drinking

Swearing, cursing and using inappropriate language while hanging out with each other.

In high school?

Anyone who thinks that high school kids aren't participating in some of this once in a while during there time in high school in order to fit in.....

I got a bridge I wanna sell you...

I don't think anyone believes that high school children aren't participating in these things. But not all teenagers are participating in all of them. Certainly not the ones I know, and I am not certifying they are perfect. 

Many of us probably don't know a lot of people well that have been expelled from school. I know one who was years ago, and trust me this person is troubled. Was then, and at 35, still is. Still, not the way to judge the outcome of an individual I would agree. But it's not something that the "average" teen is experiencing. Just to check, there are over 1.1 million students the NY school system. Approxiamately 106,00 have been expelled at some point. I will grant you, that number is higher than I would have expected, but less than 10%. If you break it down by demographics, the propensity for someone of Victoria's wealth and privilege to find herself in that situation is not high. But despite whatever she was getting into when she was a teen, she is hardly a teen any longer. She is 22. She is not poor or disadvantaged. She is not stupid, but educated. She has opportunities that others do not. For her to get behind the wheel of a car at twice the legal limit is simply beyond irresponsible, and certainly not "average" behavior. People around her should be more than a little concerned by her choices. 

[jinjer]

I have to say, having kids in private and public schools, it is much much harder to get expelled from public school than it is from private.  People mutually decide that the private school isn't working and the child and their family have decided to seek alternative education. So much as #school name and inappropriate photo on snapchat that is screen-capped and shown around will be enough sometimes to have a student asked to leave a private school. 

Victoria was incredibly stupid for driving drunk.  My kids are all uber-ized. It seems like this generation is.  The only thing I can think is that by being in the city so much, that she isn't used to calling for Uber when they are out in the Hamptons where she drives. But I don't know. My kids all use uber almost as a rule when they go out. It's the adults who are more the problem.

[Yours Truly]

5 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I don't think anyone believes that high school children aren't participating in these things. But not all teenagers are participating in all of them. Certainly not the ones I know, and I am not certifying they are perfect. 

Many of us probably don't know a lot of people well that have been expelled from school. I know one who was years ago, and trust me this person is troubled. Was then, and at 35, still is. Still, not the way to judge the outcome of an individual I would agree. But it's not something that the "average" teen is experiencing. Just to check, there are over 1.1 million students the NY school system. Approxiamately 106,00 have been expelled at some point. I will grant you, that number is higher than I would have expected, but less than 10%. If you break it down by demographics, the propensity for someone of Victoria's wealth and privilege to find herself in that situation is not high. But despite whatever she was getting into when she was a teen, she is hardly a teen any longer. She is 22. She is not poor or disadvantaged. She is not stupid, but educated. She has opportunities that others do not. For her to get behind the wheel of a car at twice the legal limit is simply beyond irresponsible, and certainly not "average" behavior. People around her should be more than a little concerned by her choices. 

Absolutely.

I'm not saying that teenagers are swearing, smoking weed, sneaking out and getting expelled all at the same time. What I'm saying is that throughout the course of a persons teen years, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they have on occasion smoked weed. On occasion, snuck out of the house. On occasion used inappropriate language. On occasion gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I'm calling it irresponsible behavior. Something teens are known for. Hell a lot of that is par for the course in the life of a teen over time unless you're the proverbial hall monitor. Not saying that's an acceptable expectation to have of teenagers just that it doesn't fall into the category of "troubled past" or "troubled teen" to me. Just stupid, irresponsible and reckless.  Some bump through their teen years harder than others and continue to make mistakes/ selfish decisions into their adolescence.  In my experience that doesn't equate to "troubled past".  Hell she barely has a past. That's all I was trying to point out LOL.

Now Beth with her raised by wolves, orphaned and soft porn, .....

That's what I call a troubled past...

That she milks for everything it's worth...

LOL!

Edited April 28, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, jinjer said:

I have to say, having kids in private and public schools, it is much much harder to get expelled from public school than it is from private.  People mutually decide that the private school isn't working and the child and their family have decided to seek alternative education. So much as #school name and inappropriate photo on snapchat that is screen-capped and shown around will be enough sometimes to have a student asked to leave a private school. 

Victoria was incredibly stupid for driving drunk.  My kids are all uber-ized. It seems like this generation is.  The only thing I can think is that by being in the city so much, that she isn't used to calling for Uber when they are out in the Hamptons where she drives. But I don't know. My kids all use uber almost as a rule when they go out. It's the adults who are more the problem.

Thank You!

and

Exactly!!

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, jinjer said:

I have to say, having kids in private and public schools, it is much much harder to get expelled from public school than it is from private.  People mutually decide that the private school isn't working and the child and their family have decided to seek alternative education. So much as #school name and inappropriate photo on snapchat that is screen-capped and shown around will be enough sometimes to have a student asked to leave a private school. 

Victoria was incredibly stupid for driving drunk.  My kids are all uber-ized. It seems like this generation is.  The only thing I can think is that by being in the city so much, that she isn't used to calling for Uber when they are out in the Hamptons where she drives. But I don't know. My kids all use uber almost as a rule when they go out. It's the adults who are more the problem.

My kids take Uber everywhere. My husband and I do quite a bit as well. If we think there is the chance that we will want to have more than a couple of drinks, that has just become our preference. For $14 round trip to most places we frequent we can relax without fear. Before that, we just didn't have more than a couple of drinks when we were out, because we weren't going to drink and drive. I am not sure why Victoria made such a choice, but it was so stupid. Not unheard of, but really stupid. I wonder if Bryn were to behave in the exact same way - over the years as has Victoria - offense by offense - if folks would be blaming Beth for the divorce, the publicity, etc. She gets such a label for being a bad mother. I hope not, but I cannot help but think she she would be blamed. 

[jinjer]

I also have to say how prevalent pot/weed is in this generation. It's not legal in my state, yet it seems to be everywhere. I smell it all the time. My kids tell me it is all over all their parties starting the minute they graduate 8th grade. I am troubled by it. Just as I would be by drinking.

Luann does have a history of having the nanny raise the kids, but that isn't so unusual in her circumstances (esp in monied Europe too). I think Victoria is a little of a wild child. But FWIW she and Luann seem to have a fine relationship. These women all seem to party.  Why would we think their kids wouldn't?  But the irresponsibility of DUI just should be a NO at this point with Uber/Lyft

[Mojoker]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Absolutely.

I'm not saying that teenagers are swearing, smoking weed, sneaking out and getting expelled all at the same time. What I'm saying is that throughout the course of a persons teen years, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they have on occasion smoked weed. On occasion, snuck out of the house. On occasion used inappropriate language. On occasion gotten behind the wheel after drinking. I'm calling it irresponsible behavior. Something teens are known for. Hell a lot of that is par for the course in the life of a teen over time unless you're the proverbial hall monitor. Not saying that's an acceptable expectation to have of teenagers just that it doesn't fall into the category of "troubled past" or "troubled teen" to me. Just stupid, irresponsible and reckless.  Some bump through their teen years harder than others and continue to make mistakes/ selfish decisions into their adolescence.  In my experience that doesn't equate to "troubled past".  Hell she barely has a past. That's all I was trying to point out LOL.

Now Beth with her raised by wolves, orphaned and soft porn, .....

That's what I call a troubled past...

That she milks for everything it's worth...

LOL!

If what Bethenny did is going to be referred to as "soft porn", then every actress who ever took off her top and/or simulated sexual activity in a movie is also a "soft porn" actor, which puts Bethenny in some great company: Meryl Streep; Glenn Close; Nicole Kidman; Halle Berry; Julie Andrews; Reese Witherspoon, Dame Helen Mirren, Julie Delpy, Jennifer Connelly, Marion Cottilard, Helen Hunt, Angelina Jolie, Scarlett Johannsson, Jennifer Jason Leigh... the list would take up half the internet.  So, well done, Bethenny!

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, jinjer said:

I also have to say how prevalent pot/weed is in this generation. It's not legal in my state, yet it seems to be everywhere. I smell it all the time. My kids tell me it is all over all their parties starting the minute they graduate 8th grade. I am troubled by it. Just as I would be by drinking.

 

This generation?  A lot of this generation's parents still smoke weed.  Over the last 50 years weed has been part of high school.  Middle school since the 70's.  Nothing new about this generation's relationship with weed.  

[Mojoker]

11 minutes ago, Lemons said:

This generation?  A lot of this generation's parents still smoke weed.  Over the last 50 years weed has been part of high school.  Middle school since the 70's.  Nothing new about this generation's relationship with weed.  

Growing in the 50s, common in the 60s and beyond.

[Otherkate]

19 hours ago, jinjer said:

I also have to say how prevalent pot/weed is in this generation. It's not legal in my state, yet it seems to be everywhere. I smell it all the time. My kids tell me it is all over all their parties starting the minute they graduate 8th grade. I am troubled by it. Just as I would be by drinking.

Luann does have a history of having the nanny raise the kids, but that isn't so unusual in her circumstances (esp in monied Europe too). I think Victoria is a little of a wild child. But FWIW she and Luann seem to have a fine relationship. These women all seem to party.  Why would we think their kids wouldn't?  But the irresponsibility of DUI just should be a NO at this point with Uber/Lyft

After 8th grade I was smoking pot at least once a week at parties. It's by no means a new thing with this generation.

[jinjer]

I think you mistake how prevalent - like preferred over alcohol. I grew up in the 80s and pot was around - and a lot, and coke and ecstasy (not in 8th grade for the latter 2 but in HS and college), but alcohol was definitely the go to choice/primary means of partying. Nearly everyone from my generation at least smoked pot once. But the kids who smoked it frequently were used called stoners or burnouts or the like because most everyone else only used it occasionally or were drinkers. Now weed is mainstream the way alcohol was back in the day (as they say on RHNJ) and you don't tend to associate it with one type of kid. So back to Victoria, I don't think her smoking weed is anything that is unusual for teens, or climbing out her window to go party with her friends or getting kicked out of a snooty private school means that she is on the wrong path, especially bc Luann isn't the most attentive of parents.

[Jamie Satyr]

1 hour ago, jinjer said:

I think you mistake how prevalent - like preferred over alcohol. I grew up in the 80s and pot was around - and a lot, and coke and ecstasy (not in 8th grade for the latter 2 but in HS and college), but alcohol was definitely the go to choice/primary means of partying. Nearly everyone from my generation at least smoked pot once. But the kids who smoked it frequently were used called stoners or burnouts or the like because most everyone else only used it occasionally or were drinkers. Now weed is mainstream the way alcohol was back in the day (as they say on RHNJ) and you don't tend to associate it with one type of kid. So back to Victoria, I don't think her smoking weed is anything that is unusual for teens, or climbing out her window to go party with her friends or getting kicked out of a snooty private school means that she is on the wrong path, especially bc Luann isn't the most attentive of parents.

Well I grew up in the 70's and somehow avoided all the drama surrounding booze and POT! I can remember only 1 person I went to school with who exposed himself as using and selling 420! It was the cocktail generation and I bartended many a times for my parents even as a teenager! We had a full wet bar set up downstairs with barstools and lights behind clear brick! Whoever owned the place before us entertained a lot; even had an extra stove and frig downstairs! To this day with all the lushes I had to deal with in college, it just never took with me and I can skip having any alcohol for weeks! It's just never was my thing! ;-)

[Mojoker]

54 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

Well I grew up in the 70's and somehow avoided all the drama surrounding booze and POT! I can remember only 1 person I went to school with who exposed himself as using and selling 420! It was the cocktail generation and I bartended many a times for my parents even as a teenager! We had a full wet bar set up downstairs with barstools and lights behind clear brick! Whoever owned the place before us entertained a lot; even had an extra stove and frig downstairs! To this day with all the lushes I had to deal with in college, it just never took with me and I can skip having any alcohol for weeks! It's just never was my thing! ;-)

Who were your parents, Lawrence Welk? I went through high school in the 70s, and I doubt anyone in my class had even seen a cocktail at that point. Beer and weed was pretty much it.

[Jamie Satyr]

1 minute ago, Mojoker said:

Who were your parents, Lawrence Welk? I went through high school in the 70s, and I doubt anyone in my class had even seen a cocktail at that point. Beer and weed was pretty much it.

You're more from the generation of kids that spent time "at the mall" and dressed cool with collars turned up! In my day wearing mood rings, tie-dyes, & hot pants, riding 10 speed bikes, developing your own pictures, & playing tennis was all the rage! ;-)

[Mojoker]

3 hours ago, Jamie Satyr said:

You're more from the generation of kids that spent time "at the mall" and dressed cool with collars turned up! In my day wearing mood rings, tie-dyes, & hot pants, riding 10 speed bikes, developing your own pictures, & playing tennis was all the rage! ;-)

If you grew up in the 70s, I'm pretty sure we had the same day.

[Yours Truly]

Yaaaaayyy! People are expressing that weed??? Not such a pearl clutching revelation @.... nevermind... 

[DebbieM4]

On 4/26/2017 at 7:36 AM, QuinnM said:

I follow her on snap so I can honestly say this is not true.  The days she has Brynn she does no business.  When they are filming RHONY she shows up after Brynn is in bed.  She leaves daytime events to pick her up.  There was a weekend travel bonanza of about 2 months while her current apartment was on the market.  She and Brynn had a great time.  Brynn took skiing lessons and loved it so the weekends she had Brynn they flew to a place to ski.  You don't see Brynn at all on RHONY and that's a good thing.  You don't see her on Snap.  Sometimes there is a foot or a hand but the second Brynn speaks the snap ends.  So a lot of what you know of their relationship is due to what you don't see, not what you do.  So as far as Bethenny's priorities, Brynn is number one. 

Ask her on twitter.  She is very straightforward about it.

I agree, and I don't see any reason to think that she views her daughter as some kind of accessory.  From all accounts - people I know who know her, in addition to what we've seen - she is very protective of Brynn, 100% involved in her life, and a very devoted mother.  It's pretty clear that she has worked hard to keep her out of the spotlight, which isn't easy in NYC.   Certainly she would be parading Brynn around if she viewed her as some kind of "accessory".

As for bringing her to work, this show is work for Bethenny, and keeping her daughter off-camera is something to be applauded, IMO.  As for her other work-related ventures, we have no idea if Brynn has or hasn't been exposed to any of that.  In any case, - although there's lots about Beth to snark about - I don't think there's any evidence at all that Brynn is anything other than Bethenny's highest priority and that the mother/daughter bond is extremely important to her.

On 4/22/2017 at 11:03 AM, Giselle said:

I am in love with Dorinda's blue reading glasses that she wore at the breakfast table. Does anybody know who makes the frames or the readers? I will love you for ever!

I loved them too!  I'm so glad you mentioned it because I had forgotten.  I think they look really great with the color of her hair.  (Mine's just a little darker, but I would love to give them a try too!)  :-)

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