S07.E19: Reunion Part 1

[KungFuBunny]

46 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Nothing to do with Eden misquoting Dorit. Dorit tried to lead Eden there with the "induced" bullshit, but Eden either didn't care and/or didn't pick up on what direction Dorit was trying to lead her to at the time.

Whenever they flashback of Dorit saying "induced" has been shown, they fail to show the TH of Eden in which she says wait, is Dorit trying to imply that Lisa has a xanax problem?

They also fail to show the scene of Dorit talking to Boy George and LVP. If this was the retelling of a funny story of women connecting - Boy George would not have run away and LVP would not have shut it down.

When Dorit brought it up in Mexico Erika, LVP and Kyle made faces. The reactions were not of oh no here she goes telling a story we've heard 50 times already. It was more like what you trying to say, Willis?

Rinna's "were people doing coke in your bathroom?" is a clap back. Rinna never used the word drug addict or mentioned Dorit's children. Coke den and babies sleeping were all brought up by Dorit. Rinna did not go around asking or retelling this story to all of the ladies before asking Dorit. She did this at the Hong Kong dinner only. It is Dorit that keeps bringing it up. Dorit did it right after dinner walking with LVP and Kyle, she also brought it up again in the car ride, she also brought it up to Kim at the finale party. If this were an allegation you thought would open an investigation you wouldn't keep bringing it up on camera.

I don't believe LVP when she says she was up with Dorit because she cried all night when I distinctly remember LVP saying before they went shopping at Shang Tai that she slept 4 hours.

Edited April 16, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[AndySmith]

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the TH of Eden in which she says wait, is Dorit trying to imply that Lisa has a xanax problem?

Not a Xanax problem, even, Eden wonders if Dorit is implying Rinna has a pill problem...

Edited April 16, 2017 by AndySmith

[KungFuBunny]

7 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Not a Xanax problem, even, Eden wonders if Dorit is implying Rinna has a pill problem...

oops my bad..blame it KungFuKitty...yeah yeah that's the ticket

[AndySmith]

Do you think...KungFuKitty...her personality...that it's, like, induced, in some way?

Edited April 16, 2017 by AndySmith

[Martinigirl]

Maybe it's "diluted"

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Do you think...KungFuKitty...her personality...that it's, like, induced, in some way?

Listen KungFuBunny over induldged in carrots last night at KFK's urging. It affected her eyesight...she might still be bunllucinating

[PhilMarlowe2]

30 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

When Dorit brought it up in Mexico Erika, LVP and Kyle made faces. The reactions were not of oh no here she goes telling a story we've heard 50 times already. It was more like what you trying to say, Willis.

And Erika actually had to clarify, "But she was joking, right?" at the Mexico dinner. Similar to how LVP had to clarify that Rinna joking about pills and seriously being addicted to pills are two different things at PK's birthday bash. Either way, Dorit definitely has an established pattern of telling this story in a way where people aren't clear as to her underlying message.

And I'll just say it - the quick flashback to Lisa and Elliot alone at the dinner table was definitely weird. If all of the other guests got up at the same time to "clean up" or whatever, then, yeah...I'd be thinking the same thing, too.

[zoeysmom]

Eden wondering what Dorit was trying to imply is meaningless.  Maybe Dorit was trying to say RInna's behavior was induced by producers.  Eden was a little steamed with Dorti for shutting her down talking Kim and Kyle.  I also think Eden was really steamed she wasn't invited to Mexico. 

As to Rinna saying the only explanation for people exiting the table was to go do cocaine in the bathroom.  That is a very serious accusation involving multiple felonies.  I think Dorit should have not over thought her answer and just said NO YOU STUPID FAT LIPPED BITCH. 

To me it seems if your mind goes to doing cocaine in the bathroom at a dinner party, maybe the accuser does have a problem with drugs. 

I don't think anyone had anything concrete to lead people to honestly believe that Dorit and PK are coke users.  Red Bull and vodka does not a cocaine user make.  I would think quite the opposite with Boy George being in recovery and would most likely not want to reside-even part time if drugs were being used. For years posters have said Rinna is on Adderall, she has an eating disorder, and the eating disorder pops up on screen because apparently she doesn't each much. 

4 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

And Erika actually had to clarify, "But she was joking, right?" at the Mexico dinner. Similar to how LVP had to clarify that Rinna joking about pills and seriously being addicted to pills are two different things at PK's birthday bash. Either way, Dorit definitely has an established pattern of telling this story in a way where people aren't clear as to her underlying message.

And I'll just say it - the quick flashback to Lisa and Elliot alone at the dinner table was definitely weird. If all of the other guests got up at the same time to "clean up" or whatever, then, yeah...I'd be thinking the same thing, too.

Or maybe they were done shooting for the evening and it was time to call it a wrap and perhaps they wanted to film a conversation between Elliot and Rinna about PK?  The word was touch up not clean up.  Rinna said so I doubt it is true.  She knows what she is doing her hand going close to her face. 

It is a lot to presume four other people who you have just met, and two who invited you over were all in to doing illicit drugs.  A lot.

[AndySmith]

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Either way, Dorit definitely has an established pattern of telling this story in a way where people aren't clear as to her underlying message.

It's almost like she was trying to steer them in one direction, but they all kept swerving off to another direction...Dorit certainly wasn't getting the reaction she expected.

[KungFuBunny]

5 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

And Erika actually had to clarify, "But she was joking, right?" at the Mexico dinner. Similar to how LVP had to clarify that Rinna joking about pills and seriously being addicted to pills are two different things at PK's birthday bash. Either way, Dorit definitely has an established pattern of telling this story in a way where people aren't clear as to her underlying message.

And I'll just say it - the quick flashback to Lisa and Elliot alone at the dinner table was definitely weird. If all of the other guests got up at the same time to "clean up" or whatever, then, yeah...I'd be thinking the same thing, too.

Me too...especially if this was prefaced by some of the guests saying to Dorit...you need a touch up...before disappearing.

I also think it a strange answer by Dorit  Aye...certainly wasn't.

[Martinigirl]

Edited April 16, 2017 by Martinigirl

[jinjer]

5 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

LVP's hair looks marvelous.

[Jamie Satyr]

5 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

I can't wait to see Kim give that BUNNY back to Rinna; the intent wasn't positive! I wouldn't have accepted it, but I'm a lot smaller person than KIM who waited and thought about it! ;-)

[PhilMarlowe2]

16 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

I can't wait to see Kim give that BUNNY back to Rinna; the intent wasn't positive! I wouldn't have accepted it, but I'm a lot smaller person than KIM who waited and thought about it! ;-)

I have a crystal that helps heal smallness if you'd like it...

Edited April 17, 2017 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

I have a crystal that helps heal smallness if you'd like it...

By all means give it to Rinna! She needs it as well, not just Kim. LOL (boulder size might help both of them)

[Martinigirl]

On 4/15/2017 at 7:22 PM, TattleTeeny said:

I have no love for PK (and no hate really, either) but I find it odd for him to be called out for "meddling" in the women's business. I realize that it may be his way of angling for screen attention, but one of those women is his wife, plus he was present for some of the shit they're on about). While the other women--and Dorit--are free to tell him to butt out, it's not meddling at all, IMO.

Well he is an idiot! He should off TV. Did he not realize people would start digging into his back round? Just saw this report....

 On June 14, 2009, Paul Kemsley signed a casino marker at the Bellagio for $3,695.000.00. When the Bellagio presented the marker to Kemsley’s bank, it was dishonored. Now, the Bellagio is attempting to collect on its debt. Kemsley defends against the Bellagio’s claim by asserting that his January 2012 bankruptcy proceeding in the United Kingdom discharged him of his debt to the Bellagio. The parties are currently in the midst of discovery. Kemsley, who resides in Los Angeles and travels the globe frequently, has repeatedly refused to appear for a deposition. Kemsley was first scheduled to be deposed on October 24, 2014; but he later realized that he was scheduled to visit his daughters on

PK is quite the scammer.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Martinigirl

[TattleTeeny]

Well, OK, I guess? I have no idea what that has to do with anything I said in that quoted post above, but perhaps you have a point? I really wouldn't know anything about that; I only had an opinion on the show itself.

Edited April 17, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[bravofan27]

I've never been around coke users, so can someone tell me... is it common for an entire group of people to go together to do coke? Also, is it something you do after dinner? I'm just confused why everyone at the table would all get up and go together to the bathroom. Were they all in the bathroom? I'm just seeing 20 people scrunched in a bathroom trying to do coke, and it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why not just do it at the table? Why go to the bathroom?

[diadochokinesis]

On 4/12/2017 at 9:05 PM, Vicky8675309 said:

If I watch an episode or two of an UK show, then I start using words/phrases like "brilliant", "spot on", "mugging me off", "bang out of order", etc... I can only imagine what I would sound like after 3+ years of living with a person or people with a British accent and I only speak one language fluently~English (and about 50% fluent in Spanish).

 

Actually, not necessarily and very rare. I'm a dialect/accent coach and have been doing it for 10 years. Accents can be taught but you don't necessarily pick up an accent just because of who you are married to or where you live.  I'm an expat and have lived overseas for awhile now in the Middle East but I don't speak with an Arabic accent. I still have my Southern accent. One of my best friends is Egyptian and even teases me that I speak Arabic with a Southern accent. Her accent is "fake" in that she worked to learn it.  It doesn't come naturally to her. It also isn't picked up from PK because of the various differences (listen to the vowels and the intonation patterns). 

[diadochokinesis]

On 4/12/2017 at 9:48 PM, Jel said:

We need a linguist to weight in. And a voice coach. 

It seems like we recognize Erika's accent is affected by her surroundings, and that's fine, and she's not faking a BH accent, she's acquired it. But whatever the hell Dorit is doing IS fake, she couldn't possibly have a different way of speaking. She grew up multi lingual; I know that affects brain wiring.  It may have made her more accent-prone. The point is, none of us knows for sure. Since we don't know, why not just take her at her word that she's not intentionally faking it? The accent still sounds dumb either way.

 

Hi, I'm coming late to the game.  I'm a speech therapist that has been doing accent/dialect coaching for 10 years. If you noticed, Erika did pick up a slight Southern accent during her scenes with her mom.  My Southern accent is similar.  I largely don't speak with a Southern accent because of my career but when I'm around family, it comes out. Dorit's is fake. It doesn't match PK and it doesn't even really match most common British accents. 

Duchess Kate had dialect coaching prior to marrying Will to try to give her a more posh accent.  Watch her few speeches that she has given and you can tell how uncomfortable she is at using it. 

[diadochokinesis]

On 4/12/2017 at 8:37 PM, Yours Truly said:

I'm not a fan when EITHER parent decides their lives are more important than their childs and decides long distance parenting is just A OK while one parent is doing the bulk of the work. I think the imbalance is damaging because what is pretty evident is that one parent decided the child was worth it while the other didn't. No way to spin that. And I find it completely unnecessary to put any child through that (barring some seriously significant reason).

 

I think that is an incredibly rude statement to make because of the sweeping generalization. My husband was military and would deploy for 12-15 months at a time. He now is a consultant and travels during the week.  My dad was in business and traveled every week and would come home on weekends.  Nobody is "damaged" by this. I'm extremely close to my father.  My children are extremely close to their dad. It isn't about the quantity of time but the quality of it. Yes, I picked up the lion's share of work when my husband would deploy but I wouldn't say he decided the child wasn't worth it. So yes, I can "spin" that. 

[KungFuBunny]

17 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Happy belated Easter

Even before the Kim reached behind the sofa, Kyle already had her face down with her hands in the position above.

Kyle was channelling Hurley 4 8 15 16 23 42 108

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I've never been around coke users, so can someone tell me... is it common for an entire group of people to go together to do coke? Also, is it something you do after dinner? I'm just confused why everyone at the table would all get up and go together to the bathroom. Were they all in the bathroom? I'm just seeing 20 people scrunched in a bathroom trying to do coke, and it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why not just do it at the table? Why go to the bathroom?

Bathroom is just a figure of speech..it could be anywhere they are gathering to do coke.

In a club, it is common for an entire group - both men and women to gravitate towards the bathroom. They will go in a few at a time and pass off the vial/spoon to the next group and it is an easy handoff among the sexes outside the bathroom doors.

In a more private setting such as a home it can be the linen closet or the pantry where all of the drugs, mirror, razor, gold leaf straw are all laid out. They don't all pile in at once like its a clown car. But they do queue up to get their turn.

Touch up is code for a bump or a hit. So for a bunch of the women saying to Dorit do you need a touch up and then for a group of them to suddenly disappear is very suspicious

[TattleTeeny]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I've never been around coke users, so can someone tell me... is it common for an entire group of people to go together to do coke? Also, is it something you do after dinner? I'm just confused why everyone at the table would all get up and go together to the bathroom. Were they all in the bathroom? I'm just seeing 20 people scrunched in a bathroom trying to do coke, and it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why not just do it at the table? Why go to the bathroom?

Sort of--but I am recalling a life far different than that of these HWs. First, it was way back in our late teens/early 20s, usually at parties that didn't consist only of...partakers. So the ones who did would adjourn in a group to the privacy of a bathroom or bedroom. I have no idea why at a party where everyone but Rinna and that little dude was participating a bunch of people would cram into a literal bathroom, leaving just them at the table (haha, tell them to go to the bathroom), especially when they're adults who own the multi-room house in the first place. To me, it sounds like another thing she wants to sound "cool gal" about--like "I know stuff, you guys!" I sort of think that any one of these people's age/status/whatever would probably just go do his or her own coke on a solo trip to the bathroom and not have some weird "Whee! We're cool teenagers getting away with shit!" attitude. They seem like they'd keep that private.

I remember I was at a party once, waiting for the bathroom--tiny bathroom in a tiny apartment--and a guy came out and gave me like a little winky "it's all yours" thing as he passed me. I was like, OK, whatever, and went in to find that, neatly on the back of the toilet tank, was a line. I didn't know that guy, so why was he (ostensibly a poor college kid like me) sharing his expensive drugs? Was he one of those outwardly slovenly art kids (you know the kind--the patchouli-scented neo-hippie type) but with wealthy parents (I was probably the former, definitely not the latter)? Was I supposed to leave some for the next person waiting? What the hell was this strange game? 

Edited April 17, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[AndySmith]

Two things in Dorit's favor in this case:

1) I don't think even she would be that stupid to have the camera crew over while everyone is doing coke

2) Why invite someone (Rinna and Little Guy Who Never Shuts Up) to a coke party if you aren't going to include them?

[TattleTeeny]

Maybe they had all intentions of doing so, but then saw LR in action and declared, "Yikes, no stimulants for that chick!"

[Yours Truly]

3 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

I think that is an incredibly rude statement to make because of the sweeping generalization. My husband was military and would deploy for 12-15 months at a time. He now is a consultant and travels during the week.  My dad was in business and traveled every week and would come home on weekends.  Nobody is "damaged" by this. I'm extremely close to my father.  My children are extremely close to their dad. It isn't about the quantity of time but the quality of it. Yes, I picked up the lion's share of work when my husband would deploy but I wouldn't say he decided the child wasn't worth it. So yes, I can "spin" that. 

Nobody is damaged by this?

In your family I'm assuming you meant. And under those very reasonable circumstances. Cause there's no way you can speak for the masses.

My opinion is based on leaving barring any REASONABLE explanation and in my opinion there are very FEW acceptable reasons why choosing long distance parenting is acceptable.

More often than not the person doing the long distance "parenting" is lacking and easily distracted from maintaining a consistent relationship. Also the idea that a child needs to be slotted into a parents appointment calendar is rather cold so for it to be done because a parent is off living some self serving dream instead of fulfilling their obligations to their own child, to me is down right appalling. 

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I'm not a fan when EITHER parent decides their lives are more important than their childs and decides long distance parenting is just A OK while one parent is doing the bulk of the work. I think the imbalance is damaging because what is pretty evident is that one parent decided the child was worth it while the other didn't. No way to spin that. And I find it completely unnecessary to put any child through that (barring some seriously significant reason).

I see you missed this part of my post.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Yours Truly

[Martinigirl]

11 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Two things in Dorit's favor in this case:

1) I don't think even she would be that stupid to have the camera crew over while everyone is doing coke

2) Why invite someone (Rinna and Little Guy Who Never Shuts Up) to a coke party if you aren't going to include them?

I can't wait to hear more about this. I do wonder if they asked Rinna if she wanted to partake and/or what happened when the guests returned to the outside table. The reunion teasers seem to show she is still stating it as fact.  We also don't know if the camera crew was shutting down for the night and only one lone camera guy was left outside to finish. 

[diadochokinesis]

1 minute ago, Yours Truly said:

Nobody is damaged by this?

In your family I'm assuming you meant. And under those very reasonable circumstances. Cause there's no way you can speak for the masses.

My opinion is based on leaving barring any REASONABLE explanation and in my opinion there are very FEW acceptable reasons why choosing long distance parenting is acceptable.

More often than not the person doing the long distance "parenting" is lacking and easily distracted from maintaining a consistent relationship. Also the idea that a child needs to be slotted into a parents appointment calendar is rather cold so for it to be done because a parent is off living some self serving dream instead of fulfilling their obligations to their own child, to me is down right appalling. 

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You didn't make a distinction.  You just stated that if a parent was away from a child.  There are several careers out there (besides entertainment) that take parents away from children.  Trust me, the kids don't understand why a parent is away--especially at 3.  My daughter was 2.5 when my husband did his last deployment which was for 13 months. She didn't understand that he was leaving because of the military or that it was any different than when he is gone because of his consulting job. Kids are remarkably resilient--more than what most adults give them credit for. We honestly don't know what the arrangement was, how often she saw him or spoke to him, etc. In my opinion, they have a good relationship today so I'm willing to accept that he was fine and not damaged by it. 

[Martinigirl]

52 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bathroom is just a figure of speech..it could be anywhere they are gathering to do coke.

In a club, it is common for an entire group - both men and women to gravitate towards the bathroom. They will go in a few at a time and pass off the vial/spoon to the next group and it is an easy handoff among the sexes outside the bathroom doors.

In a more private setting such as a home it can be the linen closet or the pantry where all of the drugs, mirror, razor, gold leaf straw are all laid out. They don't all pile in at once like its a clown car. But they do queue up to get their turn.

Touch up is code for a bump or a hit. So for a bunch of the women saying to Dorit do you need a touch up and then for a group of them to suddenly disappear is very suspicious

This ^^^^  ...and they most likely went to a room where cameras were not allowed. We do know Elliot isn't going to say anything as he insisted Paris Hilton never did cocaine. 

Edited April 17, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Yours Truly]

3 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

You didn't make a distinction.  You just stated that if a parent was away from a child.  There are several careers out there (besides entertainment) that take parents away from children.  Trust me, the kids don't understand why a parent is away--especially at 3.  My daughter was 2.5 when my husband did his last deployment which was for 13 months. She didn't understand that he was leaving because of the military or that it was any different than when he is gone because of his consulting job. Kids are remarkably resilient--more than what most adults give them credit for. We honestly don't know what the arrangement was, how often she saw him or spoke to him, etc. In my opinion, they have a good relationship today so I'm willing to accept that he was fine and not damaged by it. 

What you quoted from my post:

I'm not a fan when EITHER parent decides their lives are more important than their childs and decides long distance parenting is just A OK while one parent is doing the bulk of the work. I think the imbalance is damaging because what is pretty evident is that one parent decided the child was worth it while the other didn't. No way to spin that. And I find it completely unnecessary to put any child through that (barring some seriously significant reason).

I direct you to the bolded.

[diadochokinesis]

1 minute ago, Martinigirl said:

This ^^^^  ...and they most likely went to a room where cameras were not allowed. 

Several participants on a variety of reality shows have all said that the bathroom is the one universal place where cameras aren't allowed. 

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, diadochokinesis said:

Several participants on a variety of reality shows have all said that the bathroom is the one universal place where cameras aren't allowed. 

We know Kim was able to hide it a LOT. :)

[diadochokinesis]

1 minute ago, Yours Truly said:

What you quoted from my post:

I'm not a fan when EITHER parent decides their lives are more important than their childs and decides long distance parenting is just A OK while one parent is doing the bulk of the work. I think the imbalance is damaging because what is pretty evident is that one parent decided the child was worth it while the other didn't. No way to spin that. And I find it completely unnecessary to put any child through that (barring some seriously significant reason).

I direct you to the bolded.

 

Yes, I read the bolded but who gets to decide what qualifies as a seriously significant reason?  Sure, military deployment is seriously significant. But my husband also travels as a consultant. So, he spent 3 months in India on a consulting project.  Is that a seriously significant reason? He doesn't have to have a job where he travels but it makes him happy. 

A lot of this is that I hate the mommy wars. I hate the mommy judgment.  I'm a speech therapist and I will be the first one to sideye Dorit's seemingly non-involvement with her oldest's speech therapy but it was one session that we saw.  She might normally go to them.  Who knows. We only see what Bravo and the ladies put out there for us. 

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, diadochokinesis said:

Yes, I read the bolded but who gets to decide what qualifies as a seriously significant reason?  Sure, military deployment is seriously significant. But my husband also travels as a consultant. So, he spent 3 months in India on a consulting project.  Is that a seriously significant reason? He doesn't have to have a job where he travels but it makes him happy. 

A lot of this is that I hate the mommy wars. I hate the mommy judgment.  I'm a speech therapist and I will be the first one to sideye Dorit's seemingly non-involvement with her oldest's speech therapy but it was one session that we saw.  She might normally go to them.  Who knows. We only see what Bravo and the ladies put out there for us. 

That was very odd - sending the nanny to speech therapy. That didn't sit well with me. However, the speech therapist may have suggested it due to Dorit's faux accent. :)

[diadochokinesis]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

That was very odd - sending the nanny to speech therapy. That didn't sit well with me. However, the speech therapist may have suggested it due to Dorit's faux accent. :)

 

Honestly, I've been an SLP for 13 years.  Not a lot surprises me anymore.  I've had parents that were completely uninvolved and others that were helicopter parents that I had to kick out of the therapy room. Like I said, I sideye it but it was one session.  She might have had something going on during that time.  Personally though, I think a lot of it is flashing around a lifestyle that they don't have and can't afford. Dorit is just the new Taylor Armstrong. 

[Martinigirl]

4 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Hi, I'm coming late to the game.  I'm a speech therapist that has been doing accent/dialect coaching for 10 years. If you noticed, Erika did pick up a slight Southern accent during her scenes with her mom.  My Southern accent is similar.  I largely don't speak with a Southern accent because of my career but when I'm around family, it comes out. Dorit's is fake. It doesn't match PK and it doesn't even really match most common British accents. 

Duchess Kate had dialect coaching prior to marrying Will to try to give her a more posh accent.  Watch her few speeches that she has given and you can tell how uncomfortable she is at using it. 

I notice Dorit seems uncomfortable also. Seems to have to think before speaking each and every word. Doesn't flow. 

[Yours Truly]

30 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

Yes, I read the bolded but who gets to decide what qualifies as a seriously significant reason?  Sure, military deployment is seriously significant. But my husband also travels as a consultant. So, he spent 3 months in India on a consulting project.  Is that a seriously significant reason? He doesn't have to have a job where he travels but it makes him happy. 

A lot of this is that I hate the mommy wars. I hate the mommy judgment.  I'm a speech therapist and I will be the first one to sideye Dorit's seemingly non-involvement with her oldest's speech therapy but it was one session that we saw.  She might normally go to them.  Who knows. We only see what Bravo and the ladies put out there for us. 

I get to decide.  Guess what I do think there is a bit of selfishness in your scenario.  I can feel any ole' way I want about it.  Can I affect Erika's life or yours with my opinion nope so oh well.

There's selfishness in all parents cause we are people too. However it's how people choose to balance that selfishness against their obligations as parents. Some people can agree on different more challenging parameters and vow to make it work and succeed, others feel that certain jobs, locations, job offers aren't worth whatever they think will be lost in return. Either way whatever is right for whatever family isn't the issue with Erika. What we know outlines a really shitty thing. I don't feel bad that I see her as a lacking parent. I don't feel bad that I think it was a shitty thing for her to do cause in my opinion it was. How do you go from being there every day til your child is 3 to NOT?

And trust me my 4 year old would stare out the window waiting for his dad to come home and didn't understand why one day he was there and then disappeared for days at a time. And didn't live there anymore.

He felt it and still does now that he's almost 9 and his dad is very much in his life now but better believe when he leaves his dads or his dad leaves our house after one of his many visits one thing he always does (and I don't even think he knows why it's just a reflex) he askes when am I going to see you again? That's what he did in the beginning when he was 4 and didn't know what was going on and didn't know cause of lack of consistency when the next time would be. I'm sure there were times he was scared that he wouldn't come back at all. Breaks my heart everytime. It's like he wants confirmation that he's coming back and won't disappear again with spotty visits like that first year and a half when our split was bad. When he came and went as he pleased. No rhyme no reason and it hurt my son so yeah they don't understand why one day a parent decides they don't need or WANT to see them everyday. They just miss them. And it won't be til their teenagers or even adults before they are able to share what went on in their minds and HEARTS during that time. And what explanations they came up with themselves.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Yours Truly

[zoeysmom]

21 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

You didn't make a distinction.  You just stated that if a parent was away from a child.  There are several careers out there (besides entertainment) that take parents away from children.  Trust me, the kids don't understand why a parent is away--especially at 3.  My daughter was 2.5 when my husband did his last deployment which was for 13 months. She didn't understand that he was leaving because of the military or that it was any different than when he is gone because of his consulting job. Kids are remarkably resilient--more than what most adults give them credit for. We honestly don't know what the arrangement was, how often she saw him or spoke to him, etc. In my opinion, they have a good relationship today so I'm willing to accept that he was fine and not damaged by it. 

It always goes back to Erika complaining about being raised by a present single parent.  Her mom chose to raise her instead of chasing a dream.  There was no job guarantee or promise for Erika.  This is evidenced by the fact that her music career didn't get started until she was 35 years old and her son was 15 years old.

Erika has shown that she wasn't resilient but now expects a pass that her son is resilient because she made such a choice.  It has more to do with inconsistency.  Erika claims to have the best relationship she has ever had with her mother presently but she can't seem to keep her unhappiness regarding her mother off her tongue.   

[Martinigirl]

8 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I get to decide.  Guess what I do think there is a bit of selfishness in your scenario.  I can feel any ole' way I want about it.  Can I affect Erika's life or yours with my opinion nope so oh well.

There's selfishness in all parents cause we are people too. However it's how people choose to balance that selfishness against their obligations as parents. Some people can agree on different more challenging parameters and vow to make it work and succeed, others feel that certain jobs, locations, job offers aren't worth whatever they think will be lost in return. Either way whatever is right for whatever family isn't the issue with Erika. What we know outlines a really shitty thing. I don't feel bad that I see her as a lacking parent. I don't feel bad that I think it was a shitty thing for her to do cause in my opinion it was.

And trust me my 4 year old would stare out the window waiting for his dad to come home and didn't understand why one day he was there and then disappeared for days at a time. And didn't live there anymore.

He felt it and still does now that he's almost 9 and his dad is very much in his life now but better believe when he leaves his dads or his dad leaves our house after one of his many visits one thing he always does (and I don't even think he knows why it's just a reflex) he askes when am I going to see you again? Breaks my heart everytime. It's like he wants confirmation that he's coming back and won't disappear again with spotty visits like those first year and a half when our split was bad. When he came and went as he pleased. No rhyme no reason and it hurt my son so yeah they don't understand why one day a parent decides they don't need or WANT to see you everyday. They just miss you.

YIKES!  I guess I look at it differently...

diadochokinesis I thank your DH for his service. 

[Jel]

19 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Whenever they flashback of Dorit saying "induced" has been shown, they fail to show the TH of Eden in which she says wait, is Dorit trying to imply that Lisa has a xanax problem?

They also fail to show the scene of Dorit talking to Boy George and LVP. If this was the retelling of a funny story of women connecting - Boy George would not have run away and LVP would not have shut it down.

When Dorit brought it up in Mexico Erika, LVP and Kyle made faces. The reactions were not of oh no here she goes telling a story we've heard 50 times already. It was more like what you trying to say, Willis?

Rinna's "were people doing coke in your bathroom?" is a clap back. Rinna never used the word drug addict or mentioned Dorit's children. Coke den and babies sleeping were all brought up by Dorit. Rinna did not go around asking or retelling this story to all of the ladies before asking Dorit. She did this at the Hong Kong dinner only. It is Dorit that keeps bringing it up. Dorit did it right after dinner walking with LVP and Kyle, she also brought it up again in the car ride, she also brought it up to Kim at the finale party. If this were an allegation you thought would open an investigation you wouldn't keep bringing it up on camera.

I don't believe LVP when she says she was up with Dorit because she cried all night when I distinctly remember LVP saying before they went shopping at Shang Tai that she slept 4 hours.

It was a clap back, but a Rinna one. I see Rinna's as much worse because the implication that she's doing illegal drugs (when she has custody of small children) could have serious consequences. Implying Rinna has a Xanax problem is different simply because there's no crime in taking a prescription. 

 

3 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Hi, I'm coming late to the game.  I'm a speech therapist that has been doing accent/dialect coaching for 10 years. If you noticed, Erika did pick up a slight Southern accent during her scenes with her mom.  My Southern accent is similar.  I largely don't speak with a Southern accent because of my career but when I'm around family, it comes out. Dorit's is fake. It doesn't match PK and it doesn't even really match most common British accents. 

Duchess Kate had dialect coaching prior to marrying Will to try to give her a more posh accent.  Watch her few speeches that she has given and you can tell how uncomfortable she is at using it. 

 Late or not, it's welcome input :)  

When I first saw Dorit, I thought her accent was an affectation (intentionally faked), and a pretty terrible one that sounded like an inauthentic jumble of upper class and working class English accent. Initially, I assumed that she was doing it on purpose to sound like An International.  Since then I have looked into it a little and learned that the accent acquisition topic is covered in a few fields -- psychology and linguistics for two, with many arguing that it's not a fully conscious choice as I had earlier believed.  Though I am not one, some people report that they find themselves picking up accents very easily and unintentionally when they travel. 

As a voice coach, I imagine that you find your clients' abilities for accent mimicry falls on a continuum, with some being very good and some being very bad (and some somewhere in between). As a student I remember thinking, "Why is this so hard for you?' as the dude with the accent problem was saying "Gem lay femz fron say-uhs (sigh, the 80s).  He just couldn't ever get it right, and while I had a good accent, his grammar and vocabulary was so much better than mine.  He was probably wondering why I couldn't just get subject-verb agreement correct. 

 Or like your example, you are aware of "toning down" your Southern accent at work, but relaxing and having it resume when you return home. If I change my accent, it's always 100% intentional, a fully conscious choice, but I am also good at mimicking accents, and I now think those two things may be related. Like Madonna's, I wonder why Dorit's fake accent is so lousy -- if you're going to fake it, do a better job. Which brings me back to the guy from French class -- maybe she really just can't help it. Maybe that is just the way her brain is wired (I know, cue the Dorit gold leaf hair/ wifi jokes -- but geez, "brain wiring" is the term we used in every psychology class I ever took, I don't know what else to call it).  I'm still a little skeptical of it because I think she enjoys her status as an "international" and allows her accent to be, say, more fluid that most people would. But 100% fake? 100% intentional, nope, I do not think so anymore.

(100% inauthentic sounding, yes)

[diadochokinesis]

9 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

It always goes back to Erika complaining about being raised by a present single parent.  Her mom chose to raise her instead of chasing a dream.  There was no job guarantee or promise for Erika.  This is evidenced by the fact that her music career didn't get started until she was 35 years old and her son was 15 years old.

Erika has shown that she wasn't resilient but now expects a pass that her son is resilient because she made such a choice.  It has more to do with inconsistency.  Erika claims to have the best relationship she has ever had with her mother presently but she can't seem to keep her unhappiness regarding her mother off her tongue.   

 

Erika is a difficult person for me.  There are aspects of her that I like and aspects that irritate me. I don't necessarily view her as cold like some people but I can see where she is slow to trust people and slow to warm up to them.  My brother is similar.  But once you are in, you are in. 

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Actually, not necessarily and very rare. I'm a dialect/accent coach and have been doing it for 10 years. Accents can be taught but you don't necessarily pick up an accent just because of who you are married to or where you live.  I'm an expat and have lived overseas for awhile now in the Middle East but I don't speak with an Arabic accent. I still have my Southern accent. One of my best friends is Egyptian and even teases me that I speak Arabic with a Southern accent. Her accent is "fake" in that she worked to learn it.  It doesn't come naturally to her. It also isn't picked up from PK because of the various differences (listen to the vowels and the intonation patterns). 

Understand Dorit has said no of her British friends (LVP and Boy George to name two) and family think she speaks or is trying to speak with a British accent.  She has said in her lifetime she has been exposed and worked in situations where English was not spoken.  What I hear is Dorit is trying to couch her words in PK format-if one were reading the words instead of listening to them I believe the similarities become evident.  I don't hear her speaking like PK as much as emulating his speech structure albeit a lot wordier. 

[Normades]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bathroom is just a figure of speech..it could be anywhere they are gathering to do coke.

In a club, it is common for an entire group - both men and women to gravitate towards the bathroom. They will go in a few at a time and pass off the vial/spoon to the next group and it is an easy handoff among the sexes outside the bathroom doors.

In a more private setting such as a home it can be the linen closet or the pantry where all of the drugs, mirror, razor, gold leaf straw are all laid out. They don't all pile in at once like its a clown car. But they do queue up to get their turn.

Touch up is code for a bump or a hit. So for a bunch of the women saying to Dorit do you need a touch up and then for a group of them to suddenly disappear is very suspicious

Sometimes a bathroom is just a bathroom and sometimes a touch up is just a touch up.  I know that there are occasions where people do these things, but this was a party attending by multiple people who were not all partaking, plus IT WAS BEING FILMED.  I do not seriously think that 6 or 8 people all got up together and headed to the "bathroom" to do drugs together, making it perfectly obvious that something strange was going on.  If they were indeed involved in nefarious activities, they would have been much more discreet.  Plus, remember this substance makes you paranoid.  Also, it reduces the appetite, so after dinner really isn't the optimum time to indulge.  I think it's a low blow (no pun intended) and Rinna is vile for going there.  It's sad that it's been given any life at all.  

Gold leaf straws???  How posh!

[Yours Truly]

14 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

YIKES!  I guess I look at it differently...

diadochokinesis I thank your DH for his service. 

Everybody can.

But lets not pretend Erika's situation is akin to a military family or a family that works around certain parameters that their children have been accustomed to most likely from the time they were born or very young as in the cases with Military families.

FWIW, I was in the Military too. Have close friends who were Military brats. Some loved it, some didn't. Situations differ but bolting when your kid is 3 just cause? That's the same as going on deployments and having Military obligations?

Ummm okay..

[zoeysmom]

23 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I notice Dorit seems uncomfortable also. Seems to have to think before speaking each and every word. Doesn't flow. 

People who are long winded spend too  much time setting up the punch part of their response.  The only time I have seen Dorit direct and to the point is when Rinna asked if she trusted her husband and she said, "implicitly,"   I believe she then repeated herself.  There needs to be a lot more thinking before people speak on these shows.  It is like the cocaine allegation, Dorit instead of putting Rinna on blast she elected to reveal the ramifications of Rinna's accusation and the horrendousness of a mother with young children fostering cocaine parties in her home.  I don't know if Dorit does it because she is not a person who yells or curses naturally or if it is self-control she has developed over the years.  I would also think that perhaps the entire group of people didn't exit precisely at the same time, or perhaps some wanted to leave after a long night of filming and as hosts PK and Dorit felt they needed to show them out and say good bye.  There are just too many scenarios that come before "doing coke in the bathroom".  To me, anyone that buys into Rinna's slanderous accusation and it was an accusation not a question, is basing their opinion on the like or dislike of the parties accused or they are use to being in situations where they attend parties and ever does drugs. 

[Lady of nod]

I think this whole coke at the dinner party thing is ridiculous. It's simply Rhinna taking a page from the Kim "wanna talk about the husband" book. Just throw something out there and see what happens. Generally at the end of dinner people leave the table. Having known my fair share of coke heads I don't see any of that behavior in Dorit or PK. And with the camera crews and director always looking for some juicy footage I doubt they would have missed this.

[Jel]

The dinner scene I could easily see as Dorit's friends, having watched the show,  just generally find Rinna insufferable (like some viewers do) and were sick of looking at her and listening to her and/or feared a table dance might be coming on, so they did the friendly thing and gave their hostess an excuse to get up from the table.  That's more tactful than saying, "Rinna, shut up, you're annoying people", but same sentiment.

Of course Rinna doesn't think it could possibly be because anyone might not enjoy her company.  

[zoeysmom]

Interesting little story about Dina Manzo-the writers on this site pretty much worship Dina and Teresa.  I guess their eyes were opened when Dina sided with Dorit and against Erika.  Very interesting Dina take on how people are afraid of Erika.   http://www.allabouttrh.com/2017/04/14/dina-manzo-weighs-rhobh-season-7-panty-gate-whose-side/

Edited April 17, 2017 by zoeysmom

[Normades]

Just now, Lady of nod said:

 

I think this whole coke at the dinner party thing is ridiculous. It's simply Rhinna taking a page from the Kim "wanna talk about the husband" book. Just throw something out there and see what happens. Generally at the end of dinner people leave the table. Having known my fair share of coke heads I don't see any of that behavior in Dorit or PK. And with the camera crews and director always looking for some juicy footage I doubt they would have missed this.

 

This exactly --- and even as much as I dislike Kim, at least she left it up to the imagination.  Rinna slandered several people with felonious accusations.