Season Five: The Return of Detective Michael Logan

[Maherjunkie]

I'll have to invite you to my place when I get it fixed,

[Lizzing]

Overnight (been a bit unable to sleep this week) USA showed Prisoner and, for some reason, they cut out that little scene of Goren dancing in the street to a walkman while casing the escaped con's house.  I rewound to make sure I didn't miss it, but nope, it was gone.  Goren just turned up in the cargo shorts & a short sleeved shirt apropos of nothing in the scene after they broke into the escaped con's house, despite having raided it in jeans.  I KNOW I've seen that dancing scene on USA before and it can't possibly be considered offensive.  At least it's still out there on YouTube and I wasn't the victim of the Mandela effect. LOL!

[WendyCR72]

16 hours ago, Lizzing said:

Overnight (been a bit unable to sleep this week) USA showed Prisoner and, for some reason, they cut out that little scene of Goren dancing in the street to a walkman while casing the escaped con's house.  I rewound to make sure I didn't miss it, but nope, it was gone.  Goren just turned up in the cargo shorts & a short sleeved shirt apropos of nothing in the scene after they broke into the escaped con's house, despite having raided it in jeans.  I KNOW I've seen that dancing scene on USA before and it can't possibly be considered offensive.  At least it's still out there on YouTube and I wasn't the victim of the Mandela effect. LOL!

Yeah, @Lizzing, USA makes cuts when CI is shown in the dead of night. Gotta make room for more commercials! Sigh. And that was a great/fun scene, too. Figures!

[WendyCR72]

IIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOO!!! Colm Meany must have been stuffed from all the scenery he chewed.  :-P  But I forgive it since the rest of "Wee..." is good.

As an aside, Time Warner dropped WE Network without notice today. If not for the Mothership/CI repeats, I wouldn't care as the rest of the channel is reality garbage.

But lucky for me I have a Roku and Sling TV, so I still get WE that way. (Worth it for a lot of channels I don't get since I have basic/not digital cable but still get Hallmark channels, Sundance, Epix, etc., too. I sound like an ad for Sling, but it really is cool!  :-) )

[WendyCR72]

"The Good" is on, and it just hit me how the Nassau Police Interrogation Room looks strangely reminiscent of that same room on the Mothership.

[Maherjunkie]

I love it when Logan pokes the guy.  I'd be like "Explain that again?"

[WendyCR72]

Apparently, "Wrongful Life" aired late night the other night (on my cloud DVR), and while it's not a favorite of mine, I did like the little scene where Goren and Eames find the alleged smoking gun, the letter Dr. Janns had written about wanting testing done. Eames mentioned the magnetic lock and snarks, "Oh, brother." Then Goren just lets out this devilish delighted chuckle.

I guess Bobby liked the sneakiness.

Last night's three on USA were "Vacancy", "To The Bone", and "The Healer". Emily Bergl's Alice will never not annoy me. But in terms of the psychological angle the show is known for, I liked it in that the perp was following in the footsteps, ironically, of the stalker that killed his mother. He did creepy and cold remarkably well.

And we all know how warped "To The Bone" is.

The only thing I always had an issue with in "The Healer" was...Barek nor Rodgers nor Logan could tell what Logan had wasn't some fatal-curse disease but Poison-freaking ivy? Come on, they were smarter than that. And Rodgers is a doctor, working with corpses or not.

[WendyCR72]

WE is airing "Prisoner" now, the one with Corbin Bernsen as the douchey prison warden trying to get his wife back. Glad WE didn't cut the scene of Bobby doing his odd little dance in the street! USA is hit and miss, depending on how many commercials to sneak in.

[Star Aristille]

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 1:23 AM, WendyCR72 said:

IIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOO!!! Colm Meany must have been stuffed from all the scenery he chewed.  :-P  But I forgive it since the rest of "Wee..." is good.

Why did he even do that, anyway?  I never got that scene.

[Maherjunkie]

I guess to show how boorish he was?

[WendyCR72]

Nobody here read Othello, huh?  :-) Iago was a treacherous character who hated Othello and told him that his wife was unfaithful, which got the ball rolling for Othello to kill his wife. However, his wife was never unfaithful. But Othello trusted Iago's word as he had thought of Iago as a friend.

So basically, Iago was a traitor, which is what ol' Judge Garrett was - in a dramatic as hell fashion - calling Ethan.

Edited July 6, 2017 by WendyCR72

[Spartan Girl]

I read Othello, I knew that reference.

[wknt3]

I always thought it was an Aladdin reference...

[WendyCR72]

9 hours ago, wknt3 said:

I always thought it was an Aladdin reference...

Of all the Disney movies I've seen, Aladdin was not one, unless you mean Aladdin in non-Disney context? Curious as to where Iago fits in there?

[wknt3]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Of all the Disney movies I've seen, Aladdin was not one, unless you mean Aladdin in non-Disney context? Curious as to where Iago fits in there?

 

I was referring to the Disney one. Iago is the parrot voiced by (SVU guest star!) Gilbert Gottfried. 

[WendyCR72]

5 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

 

I was referring to the Disney one. Iago is the parrot voiced by (SVU guest star!) Gilbert Gottfried. 

Strangely, I think Gilbert Gottfried is an appropriate choice to voice a parrot. But thanks!

[Star Aristille]

So "Unchained" reran on my CW affiliate, and I have three questions:

1. How could the mere mention of Lennie by Virgini have set Logan off so badly?
2. How could Barek have been able to tell that Renata was "rationalizing" something about her father, or getting the feeling something was wrong, when I never heard a hint of that in her voice?  (Might've been attributable to the actress, though, whom I thought was otherwise excellent in the episode and am surprised she hasn't gotten more work.)
3. What, exactly, was Renata trying to rationalize for herself, or realizing was off?

[WendyCR72]

Maybe I can answer. Just opinions, not definitive:

1. On the Mothership, there was an episode where Lennie was accused of being dirty during his career. That may have gotten to Logan somehow [as I think it was a Curtis or Greene era episode when said accusation happened] and caused him to become angry when Douche Dirty Cop invoked Lennie's name.

2. Maybe Barek was spitballing as cops do during investigations.

3. Maybe Renata didn't want to believe her father wasn't a hero and was dirty. I don't think many kids would handle such a detail all that well.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Wasichu tonight, and I have a couple of comments : about the credit card fraud ring that Paula Kendall was supposedly investigating, how exactly did she get involved in that? I understood her meeting with the informant was just a set up, but how did she get contacted about it in the first place? Why was the secret service investigating credit card fraud, and how did they make sure she was the agent doing it? Did they contact her personally? And was it related to the man she met in the hotel room earlier that day? Was the whole investigation part of the set up orchestrated by the Congressman? And did she sleep with the guy in the hotel room or not? 

Overall I think it's a very good episode, one of the best Logan and Barek ones, and the plot was pretty straightforward for a CI episode, but I was just puzzled by a few aspects of the credit card fraud ring and who had her investigating that? Underrrated, solid episode though, and I liked the heavy involvement of both Deakins and Carver, who didn't seem to get used as much in a lot of season 5 episodes, especially Carver. The show really took a hit when they let. 

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Wasichu tonight, and I have a couple of comments : about the credit card fraud ring that Paula Kendall was supposedly investigating, how exactly did she get involved in that? I understood her meeting with the informant was just a set up, but how did she get contacted about it in the first place? Why was the secret service investigating credit card fraud, and how did they make sure she was the agent doing it? Did they contact her personally? And was it related to the man she met in the hotel room earlier that day? Was the whole investigation part of the set up orchestrated by the Congressman? And did she sleep with the guy in the hotel room or not? 

Overall I think it's a very good episode, one of the best Logan and Barek ones, and the plot was pretty straightforward for a CI episode, but I was just puzzled by a few aspects of the credit card fraud ring and who had her investigating that? Underrrated, solid episode though, and I liked the heavy involvement of both Deakins and Carver, who didn't seem to get used as much in a lot of season 5 episodes, especially Carver. The show really took a hit when they let. 

I don't think it was ever established if the wife slept with that guy while on the job or not. I recall in "Baggage" in S2, there was also a credit card scam deal going on and it was mentioned that the FBI was involved, so that must all fall under federal jurisdiction.

I always thought "Wasichu" was dull, but I did like seeing more of Deakins and Carver.

[Xeliou66]

Yeah credit card fraud is a federal crime, I'm more curious about the whole informant situation. Was the credit card fraud ring she was investigating linked to the "informant" stealing credit card numbers from Bellingham's campaign people? Is that how Bellingham found out she was a federal agent? Or was it just coincidence that Bellingham had a credit card fraud problem at the same time Kendall was investigating a credit card fraud ring? If so, how did Bellingham find out she was investigating a credit card fraud ring and know what to tell the informant to say she had information on? That part just confused me a bit, I was unsure if the fake informant was actually linked to the credit card ring Kendall was investigating or if Bellingham somehow found out what she was investigating and used the credit card thief that he knew of as part of the set up. 

Why did you think the episode was boring? I thought it was very good, Logan was in classic form and I thought the normally dull Barek was more interesting, I thought the cinematography was excellent, the murder scene, the scene at the diner and when Logan, Barek and Carver cornered Jay were all very well done, and I really liked the heavy involvement from Deakins and Carver in the case, their roles were never heavy enough in most episodes, they were the unsung heroes of CI. And I loved Logan giving the secret service the run around, and Deakins "didn't I tell you you catch more flies with honey" comment, Deakins was always very diplomatic and laid back while Logan was never afraid to piss people off, that perfectly showed their different styles. 

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Why did you think the episode was boring?

It all just seemed so low energy despite the crime, and that includes Barek. She still seemed flat to me. The whole casinos/credit card deal just didn't do it for me.

And I have liked Logan/Barek episodes, including "Diamond Dogs" and "To The Bone". This one just bored me silly.

[WendyCR72]

USA showed "Cruise To Nowhere" last night. Always kind of saddens me how the character of Joey Frost ends up later on in S8 in "All In". (Still believe Joey Frost/Josh Snow is supposed to be the same character with a name change for whatever reason. [Legal issues with the writers, maybe?]) Especially since Goren seemed to want Joey/Josh to have a life outside of gambling, etc.

[Sigmagirl]

I think I read somewhere that Lou Taylor Pucci just wasn't available. 

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

I think I read somewhere that Lou Taylor Pucci just wasn't available. 

But that wouldn't explain the name change, you know? To me, it is obviously the same character as he told his girlfriend that G/E put his dad's killer away. And he was now father figure to the boy from "Cruise To Nowhere" and married his mom, who ended up dying.

A recast if the actor is not available, I get. But changing the name from Joey Frost to Josh Snow (and hey, both "cold" last names!) just made no sense to me unless some sort of legalities were involved or something.

But the actor that took over the role did a good job as the older, harder Joey/Josh.

[Xeliou66]

Saw Acts of Contrition on ION tonight, that was a great episode IMO, one of the more powerful episodes and one of Season 5's best. Sister Olivia's breakdown at the end was one of the most memorable aria's I thought it was one of Carver's best episodes, I liked how he was pushing for the truth when it seemed like Goren had an unusual amount of sympathy for Angie/Sister Olivia, although that was before he discovered she was an active participant in the crime. I felt a lot of sympathy for Eddie who did not plan to kill anyone, he was just desperate to get justice for his brother. 

I thought it was somewhat odd how the opening of the episode focused heavily on the pimps/girls at the shelter, when that had nothing to do with the case, I did like Goren lighting the paper on fire, classic Goren. I also saw some similiaties with The Faithful, with a murder in a church, a mentally ill homeless guy being involved and a member of the church hiding a secret linked to the murder, other than that they were different though.

What was up with Sister Edwina, the young nun that Goren and Eames interviewed? She was very odd and nervous, I think she had a form of OCD where she obssesed over being morally pure and not offensive. 

I thought this episode did a good job balancing the seriousness of the case with some humor and memorable characters ( "Saturn Boy", Eddie referring to himself in 3rd person etc )

[WendyCR72]

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Saw Acts of Contrition on ION tonight, that was a great episode IMO,

 

CI certainly liked its episodes dealing with religion/the church! "The Faithful" (of which I think the late Mrs. Christopher Reeve, Dana Reeve, did a good job with her small but pivotal role!) from S1 - and I loved "The Goren Show" scene, which also hinted at his mom's own illness for the first time, "Acts of Contrition" from S5, "Faithfully" from S8, and, of course, "The Consoler" in S10.

Susan Misner is an underrated character actress. Sister Olivia/Angela was light years from Becky the hooker from "Smothered" in Season 1 and from the doomed wife of David Harbour's religious nut character in S8's "Family Values". (Harbour also did a good job as the non-violent career thief in "Silver Lining" in S4.)

I think the prostitutes in the beginning were a basic red herring and also a way to show Olivia doing her good deeds.

I felt sorry for Eddie's brother, but I couldn't bring myself to feel sorry for Eddie himself. I understand his need for justice, but in his own way, he ended up almost like Olivia, causing harm/death to another nun. There had to be a way for him to get what he needed without going to that extreme.

I agree that Goren was good here and I'm glad it gave Carver a tiny bit more to do.

Sister Edwina seemed like she had Asperger's or something, to me.

[Spartan Girl]

I didn't feel sorry for Eddie either. Wanting justice for his brother doesn't justify beating a nun to death. And he didn't even seem sorry either; his whole "she didn't deserve it" was so forced and wooden.

[Xeliou66]

Yeah CI always did good episodes regarding religion. I think Acts of Contrition was my favorite of those episodes, but they were all very good. 

I thought Goren was overly sympathetic to Sister Olivia before he found out she was an active participant in the attack. I never felt anything for her, even if she was remorseful she never came forward and told the truth which would've brought closure and justice to Eddie and Jimmy. She turned out to be nothing more than a coward hiding behind the church IMO. I was glad Carver stood his ground and that Goren and Eames came to agree with him in the end. 

I did feel sorry for Eddie, having his brother turned to a vegetable by those racist thugs and never getting justice and having to care for his brother all those years would take an extreme mental toll on him. He didn't mean to kill Sister Dorothy, it was manslaughter not murder. I did lose sympathy for Eddie trying to frame the mentally ill homeless guy though. 

Did Sister Dorothy know the whole story about Sister Olivia's past? If she knew Sister Olivia was a part of the attack, she should've told the authorities or told Eddie. Sister Dorothy wouldn't have gotten killed had she just told the truth, I don't think Eddie would've hurt Sister Olivia, he just wanted her to come forward and tell the truth. 

How did the original cops not figure out it wasn't Jimmy's girlfriend that he was going to meet that night, I guess they just never talked to her. 

I liked all the humor in the episode to offset the very dark tone of the story. 

[WendyCR72]

On 8/15/2017 at 9:27 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I did feel sorry for Eddie, having his brother turned to a vegetable by those racist thugs and never getting justice and having to care for his brother all those years would take an extreme mental toll on him. He didn't mean to kill Sister Dorothy, it was manslaughter not murder. I did lose sympathy for Eddie trying to frame the mentally ill homeless guy though. 

Sister Dorothy's murder appeared very violent. We never did see it, but Eddie had to shove her with a LOT of anger and/or strength. Framing the mentally challenged homeless guy was indeed a low point.

[Xeliou66]

But it was unplanned, Eddie didn't have any attention of killing Sister Dorothy, he just went in with the intention of snooping around trying to find evidence of Angie being Sister Olivia and Sister Dorothy surprised him. He was startled and shoved her and she was killed. If Eddie was a violent person, I think he would've gone after the 2 thugs who turned Jimmy into a vegetable, but he didn't, he wanted to see justice done the legal way and was trying to track down Angie to get her to come forward. So I found Eddie somewhat sympathetic because of what he had gone through and because the murder wasn't planned, but framing the homeless guy was disgusting and caused me to lose a lot of sympathy I had for him overall. 

I didn't find Sister Dorothy to be a very sympathetic victim. I think she probably knew about Angie/Sister Olivia's role in the attack and she should've gone to the authorities or told Sister Olivia to do so, instead she tried to cover for her, at least I think that's what happened. And I felt no sympathy for Sister Olivia, even though she was remorseful and helping people now she still helped turn a guy into a vegetable in a racist attack and nothing makes up for that, and he was a coward as well, she hid for years, tried to hide when the police were closing in by asking the priest about going back to the cloisters and only came forward at the end. 

I was disappointed in Goren for being so sympathetic to Sister Olivia. When he thought she just witnessed the attack he didn't want her to have to tell the truth about it, it was Carver who pushed for the truth, only when Goren found out about her level of involvement during the attack did he agree with Carver. I wonder why Goren was so sympatetic to Sister Olivia, maybe because of how she was sympathetic to the homeless guy and Goren appreciated someone who was understanding. He was still letting his personal feeling cloud his judgment interfere with solving the case. I thought Deakins was underused in that episode badly, I wonder what he would have to say to Goren about it, I think he would've sided with Carver and told Goren to do his job. 

[WendyCR72]

On 8/19/2017 at 9:08 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I was disappointed in Goren for being so sympathetic to Sister Olivia. When he thought she just witnessed the attack he didn't want her to have to tell the truth about it, it was Carver who pushed for the truth, only when Goren found out about her level of involvement during the attack did he agree with Carver. I wonder why Goren was so sympatetic to Sister Olivia

More often than not, though, Goren usually seemed to be for the underdog. If mental issues are involved, make it even more ironclad where he is concerned, probably because of his mom and her issues.

I mean, look at how he exploded in "Privilege" when he found Lady Harrington being neglected and abused. I didn't find Sister Olivia in "Acts of Contrition" all that sympathetic, either, but maybe Goren thought she was sincere in her remorse and it was adequate - until he got the whole story.

As for Sister Dorothy, on TV shows, I notice religious figures tend to believe punishment is up to God and don't often like to involve the police. Maybe that was the angle here.

[Xeliou66]

On 8/22/2017 at 7:45 PM, WendyCR72 said:

More often than not, though, Goren usually seemed to be for the underdog. If mental issues are involved, make it even more ironclad where he is concerned, probably because of his mom and her issues.

I mean, look at how he exploded in "Privilege" when he found Lady Harrington being neglected and abused. I didn't find Sister Olivia in "Acts of Contrition" all that sympathetic, either, but maybe Goren thought she was sincere in her remorse and it was adequate - until he got the whole story.

As for Sister Dorothy, on TV shows, I notice religious figures tend to believe punishment is up to God and don't often like to involve the police. Maybe that was the angle here.

Yeah Goren was for the underdog, but how was Sister Olivia the underdog? I thought that Eddie was the underdog, he was the guy who had been denied justice for his brother and no one would come forward or say anything. Sister Olivia was nothing more than a coward hiding behind the church to avoid facing the consequences of turning a man into a vegetable. And Sister Dorothy should've gone to the cops, instead she was helping cover up a crime, therefore she didn't get much sympathy from me ( if she knew the full story about Sister Olivia's past ). I just was disappointed with Goren in this one, he had way too much sympathy for Sister Olivia.  He usually fights for justice but not this time, it was Carver who fought for the truth. I do wish Deakins had been used more, had he been involved more I think he would've told Goren to do his job.

[WendyCR72]

On 8/24/2017 at 0:55 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah Goren was for the underdog, but how was Sister Olivia the underdog?

I didn't say she was, but I think Goren thought she was. Maybe by virtue of getting in over her head (which doesn't negate anything, just trying to get in Bobby's brain here, hypothetically), doing bad things, but doing penance by becoming a nun, maybe.

And, to be fair, this isn't the first episode in the franchise where the church and cops clash. It's hard for me to condemn Sister Dorothy when we're not privy to the extent of her knowledge. All I recall is she sent a letter to Angie's/Olivia's mother, telling the mom that her daughter was safe and doing good works or something.

As for Eddie, he lost his underdog status to me when he killed Dorothy and then tried to frame the mentally ill guy for the crime.

Truth be told, the only one I really felt for in this mess was Eddie's brother.

[WendyCR72]

IAGOOOOOOOOOO. Ah, Colm Meany. No matter how many times I see that scene in "In The Wee Small Hours", it never fails to give me a giggle. A hammy as all-get out scene, but entertaining. I know I said this before, but it tickles me, what can I say?

I liked the callback with seeing Connie from S3's "Sound Bodies", evil little turd that he was/is. Bobby must've given Alex the details since Bishop was on that case, since Alex told Connie he could reminisce about the people he poisoned and drowned.

[WendyCR72]

Hey! If anyone still lurks here, a little trivia question: One I just sort of realized. There are two episodes in the entire series that do not have a murder! One is in S5. Do you know which episode it is? And what the other episode is and what season?

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Hey! If anyone still lurks here, a little trivia question: One I just sort of realized. There are two episodes in the entire series that do not have a murder! One is in S5. Do you know which episode it is? And what the other episode is and what season?

Prisoner from season 5 didn’t have a murder. The other one was Homo Homini Lupus although Eames did shoot one of the abductors dead. Both very good episodes IMO, both centered around kidnappings.

On 12/27/2017 at 3:24 AM, WendyCR72 said:

IAGOOOOOOOOOO. Ah, Colm Meany. No matter how many times I see that scene in "In The Wee Small Hours", it never fails to give me a giggle. A hammy as all-get out scene, but entertaining. I know I said this before, but it tickles me, what can I say?

I liked the callback with seeing Connie from S3's "Sound Bodies", evil little turd that he was/is. Bobby must've given Alex the details since Bishop was on that case, since Alex told Connie he could reminisce about the people he poisoned and drowned.

I liked the call back seeing the increidbly smug, manipulative bastard Connie again as well. Eames did appear briefly at the start of Sound Bodies, she was just on desk duty but she was still at work so she knew the case. 

In the Wee Small Hours is one of my top 10 all time CI episodes for sure, everything about it was great, seeing both pairs of detectives work together, great use of all the characters, getting to see the courtroom again, Arthur Branch making an appearance, all mixed in with a very fascinating case with the judge and his family. 

These boards have been dead lately, but I still lurk around here. 

[WendyCR72]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Prisoner from season 5 didn’t have a murder. The other one was Homo Homini Lupus although Eames did shoot one of the abductors dead. Both very good episodes IMO, both centered around kidnappings.

Give @Xeliou66 a prize! In all seriousness, I agree both were good episodes, just as interesting as many of the episodes with a murder.

[wknt3]

On 12/28/2017 at 3:13 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Give @Xeliou66 a prize! In all seriousness, I agree both were good episodes, just as interesting as many of the episodes with a murder.

I always thought that they should have gone the SVU route and done more episodes without a murder. I think it would have provided a nice change of pace to see them matching wits with a non-violent criminal and there are plenty of famous cases of kidnappping, art thefts, bank heists, etc. without anybody getting killed that would have provided entertaining plots and something different from what we had already seen.

[Beroglide]

Caught the middle of "Vacancy".  I know I've seen this a couple times, but why did this end up going to major case? 

Edited January 3, 2018 by Beroglide

[WendyCR72]

On 1/3/2018 at 1:17 AM, Beroglide said:

Caught the middle of "Vacancy".  I know I've seen this a couple times, but why did this end up going to major case? 

Not a clue. But then, that seemed to be a legitimate question for many of their cases. At least some have throwaway explanations/lines. But this one, I don't know. I don't think it was ever made clear. I would have even bought a ridiculous reason like "regular" homicide was jammed up in a backlog or whatever.

As an aside, damn was Alice annoying. I know Eames falsely accused her, but she annoyed me well before that.

The actor that played the perp did a good job, though, IMO.

[Xeliou66]

Yeah there was no explanation given in Vacancy, there was a lot of times.

That being said, I liked Vacancy a lot, there was something very creepy about the episode, especially the opening scenes, with the snowstorm and the dumpy roach motel, incredibly eerie atmosphere which I loved. Unusual case that I liked as well, I think it gets underrated some, as does a lot of season 5. 

And yeah I wanted to slap Alice throughout the episode, what an annoying bitch

[The Wild Sow]

On 11/11/2016 at 9:28 AM, Lizzing said:

Overnight (been a bit unable to sleep this week) USA showed Prisoner and, for some reason, they cut out that little scene of Goren dancing in the street to a walkman while casing the escaped con's house.  I rewound to make sure I didn't miss it, but nope, it was gone.  Goren just turned up in the cargo shorts & a short sleeved shirt apropos of nothing in the scene after they broke into the escaped con's house, despite having raided it in jeans.  I KNOW I've seen that dancing scene on USA before and it can't possibly be considered offensive.  At least it's still out there on YouTube and I wasn't the victim of the Mandela effect. LOL!

It was on last night, er, this morning at 3 AM, with the scene included.

The previous episode was Diamond Dogs, with Peter Scanavino as the store-robbing son.  I was just cracking up every time they showed his face, thinking, Aw, he'll be OK -- he grows up to be Carisi!

Edited March 18, 2018 by The Wild Sow
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[Sigmagirl]

Yeah, they just cut that scene so they could sell more commercials. 

Now, the other day (whenever) I was watching “Baggage” and they bleeped when Eames said “titty bar.” So that they thought was offensive.

[Xeliou66]

Goren’s dance on the street in Prisoner is one of his funniest moments. Prisoner is a great episode, one that you didn’t know what the exact truth was until the end, reminded me of Best Defense in that the bad guy with a vendetta against his wife masterminded a plot to make himself look like the victim when he was behind everything all along. Interesting in that Goren and Eames went all the way to Seattle to interview the prisoner that the warden had transferred, and that they referenced the names of the doctors from Zoonotic when they were posing as doctors in the hospital. Also nice use of the underused Deakins in that episode, but I can’t remember Carver even being in it. 

I hate when they shorten the episodes or eliminate scenes, and I hate the censorship especially, I know WE does it for some episodes, I don’t know if USA does it or not.

[WendyCR72]

The actor that plays Robbie in "Scared Crazy" that is on WE as I type...he reminds me of a cross between Tobey Maguire and Lucas Haas. And, as I said about the actress playing his sister, I think she looked like a young Kyra Sedgwick.

Robbie actually seemed like a sympathetic perp and I'm glad G/E treated him as such. That shrink was nuttier than he was.

[Maherjunkie]

I heard the song V sings in Prisoner was thought to have racist roots.  I thought it was the only good part of the episode.

[WendyCR72]

On 5/12/2018 at 2:43 AM, Maherjunkie said:

I heard the song V sings in Prisoner was thought to have racist roots.  I thought it was the only good part of the episode.

What song? I don't recall any song.

[Sigmagirl]

It’s the song Goren is half-singing, half-muttering when he’s pretending to deliver advertising flyers, dressed basically like a hobo.

“Don’t Bet Your Money on the Shanghai,” an 1861 minstrel song by Stephen Foster. It’s meant to be sung by a white performer in blackface, making fun of black people and their supposed attributes. From Wikipedia: “Minstrel shows lampooned black people as dim-witted, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, and happy-go-lucky.”

In addition, the song itself is about cockfighting, a cruel “sport” that is banned in many places. 

[WendyCR72]

Wow, you all have MUCH better ears than I do.