HalcyonDays June 27, 2016 Share June 27, 2016 Quote Episode synopsis: Chandler's mission comes to a head as he prepares the final part of his plan. President Michener ponders the fate of his presidency. Link to comment
ottoDbusdriver July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 (edited) Umm, since when has it every been mentioned that Sasha is also a commando ? Was that ever mentioned ? Because she's firing heavy weapons and tossing grenades -- holding her own alongside Wolf. ETA: The Chinese Special forces just suddenly showing up, shooting down the UAV, and then inserting themselves on the island completely undetected was a bit ridiculous. Was everyone on the bridge of the NJ asleep at the switch ? Did they not do a little recon around the island before going inland ? And the Takahaya saga appears to be over. Finally !! Edited July 18, 2016 by ottoDbusdriver Link to comment
oakville July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 This was a great episode. I enjoyed the rescue attempt. It's unrealistic that Chandler would be on this mission. Where did Sasha get the ability to be a commando? Link to comment
maraleia July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 I think this episode was co-written two women which is cool. Link to comment
xaxat July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 I was annoyed that Chandler and Slattery asked three questions in this episode that I also wondered about and the show's answer to each one is "We don't know." Why did Takahaya need the blood? How did the Chinese commandos appear out of nowhere? Who is the Nathan James fighting? The Chinese? Takahaya? Viet Nam? We're in episode six people! Pick up the pace of the story! 1 Link to comment
thuganomics85 July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 Well, that was quick! Takahaya has already been defeated, even if he's still alive, so I guess he can cause problems going forward. But I'm guessing he was mainly just a placeholder, and now it is Chang and the Chinese who will become the true villains of the season. This episode sure had it's share of unexpected people being badass, between Jeter managing to snap a guys neck despite handcuffed (and weak from blood loss), and Doc Rios of all people, being the one to take out Takahaya's second in-command. Well done, fellows! As usual, the Nathan James folks basically dominate both the pirates and the Chinese. Sure, they lost Cruz and two other guys that I can't remember their names, but all the bad guys just went out like opponents in a video game. I know it was suppose to be a big moment when it hits Slattery that four people died to save him and the prisoners, but all I could think of was that it probably would have been worse, if this wasn't a world where the heroes are close to bulletproof. So, is Michener and Elizabeth Rohm's character a thing? Are they setting it up to have her be the one who ends up being bad? Still not sure about half of the stuff that is going on here. Except that I'm bummed Foster continues to be isolated from the rest of the crew. I love Bridget Regan, but I couldn't stop laughing during one scene, where they were all suiting up for battle, but Sasha somehow looked like she was posing for a fashion shoot. 2 Link to comment
HalcyonDays July 18, 2016 Author Share July 18, 2016 Quote Why did Takahaya need the blood? I think it's because the blood transfusion temporarily removed/negated the symptoms of the "Red Flu". Then, the newly transfused blood cells started to get infected, and therefore the people got more and more sick. Similar to Malaria (which is why the blood TX helped Kyoko) - the virus causes more and more RBCs to be infected and in turn hemolyze, causing the jaundice and over all fever and illness. The TX removed the majority of those infected RBCs. Quote Who is the Nathan James fighting? The Chinese? Takahaya? Viet Nam? I have a feeling Peng sent those Chinese Special Forces. Quote Where did Sasha get the ability to be a commando? Eh. Honestly, for me, I don't care. She held her own quite nicely. I'm cool with it and it didn't seem out of place/odd. Hate the body count for this. What a waste. If Takahaya had simply reached out to the Americans and asked "Why" our "medicine" doesn't work, then none of this would have happened. Annoys the fuck out of me, stupid humans. Link to comment
ottoDbusdriver July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said: So, is Michener and Elizabeth Rohm's character a thing? Are they setting it up to have her be the one who ends up being bad? She's got to be working for the Chinese, or some such nonsense -- and extracting info from the President during sexytime. Then again, maybe HMS Benny Hill 2.0 will show up in the South China Sea to exact their revenge. Who knows with this show ? Link to comment
Raja July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said: Umm, since when has it every been mentioned that Sasha is also a commando ? Was that ever mentioned ? Because she's firing heavy weapons and tossing grenades -- holding her own alongside Wolf. ETA: The Chinese Special forces just suddenly showing up, shooting down the UAV, and then inserting themselves on the island completely undetected was a bit ridiculous. Was everyone on the bridge of the NJ asleep at the switch ? Did they not do a little recon around the island before going inland ? And the Takahaya saga appears to be over. Finally !! That is TV trope 101 spies can beat special operation commandos who spend much more time practicing tactics and shooting rather than doing spy stuff. What I am trying to figure out is where all these Chinese Secret Service, pirates and mercenaries with their extraordinary skill sets came from. Nobody seems to be a guy handed a gun a few months ago while everybody he knew was dying Edited July 18, 2016 by Raja Link to comment
Dowel Jones July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, HalcyonDays said: Where did Sasha get the ability to be a commando? Call Of Duty, maybe? Well, I see the Chinese commandos are as incompetent as always, since they couldn't seem to hit the broad side of the barn (literally) despite the close proximity. And the idea of firing a 5" diameter shell right next to your own personnel, which seems to kill everyone else except them? Huh? Not to mention the slightest little error in course plotting and.... I get that the past few episodes have been set in order for Capt. Kirk to save his Slattery's crew, but could we move on with the overall story arc now, please? Geopolitics aside, I'm a helluva lot more interested in what is happening throughout the US than the rest of the world. And let's leave the body bags right there in the middle of the bay for everyone to see! Link to comment
Lonesome Rhodes July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 Takehara mined the harbor 150 MILES from his actual lair? Uh huh. The torpedo boat (LMAO) made it across the sea in less than an hour, without detection as it approached the island where the NJ was sitting. Uh huh. UAV was up and running when they first cleared the camp. Then, it failed to do any search as the squad moved blindly through the jungle. Until, all of a sudden, someone decided that may be a good idea. Uh huh. The PRC whatever (likely sub) was able to pinpoint the UAV but not the helo? Uh huh. The landing party had not one grenade nor any method to project fire, such as a flame thrower. Uh huh. Americans are full-on rioting, and worse, in the regions. The president cares more about individual casualties on the NJ more than the dozens/hundreds in the homeland, and the spreading dissention and descension into domestic dystopia. Elections? Uh huh. I am trying to figure out now why on earth POTUS would not order the NJ home. He won his PR war and he needs Chandler the Hero at home to calm things. He really does know now he can't mess with the PRC/Pang. The NJ comes home saving all face. Is there not one long-range bomber available???? Uh huh. Well, at least it wasn't the Russians who showed up out of nowhere. This time. 2 Link to comment
ottoDbusdriver July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said: Takehara mined the harbor 150 MILES from his actual lair? Uh huh. The torpedo boat (LMAO) made it across the sea in less than an hour, without detection as it approached the island where the NJ was sitting. So if the NJ approached that set of 5 islands from a different direction, they could have avoided the minefield completely, since Takahaya didn't place a single mine near them at all. That makes complete sense. </sarcasm> I still don't understand why they didn't just back out of the minefield the way they came -- because until that point the mines had not gone all super fancy and detached themselves yet. And Takahaya apparently had access to the same stealth naval technology for his crappy wooden boat that the PRC were using on their destroyer. The NJ has some pretty sweet radar (and sonar) technology, and yet seemingly can't detect anything until they are practically right on top of things. 1 Link to comment
JackONeill July 18, 2016 Share July 18, 2016 A better episode than some of late, but we still don't know shit. Yeah, I don't much care for the politics in this or any show, but I do get why the "regions" are upset. They've got day to day, serious problems, but the president is more concerned if Captain Tom has a hangnail. From what I can understand, we provided the cure to these countries. If they don't want to take it, why the hell is that our concern. Okay, make a telephone call but risk US lives? (Yes, I realize that all sounds really isolationist, which, really, I'm not.) How many people gave to due before someone says, "hey, you know, they might need us back home." So, Sasha is the new Jason Bourne, yet she looks like she just stepped off the cover of some fashion magazine. by the way, did they get all those people in the landing party in ONE skiff, then got them back with Slattery and Crew? 1 Link to comment
iMonrey July 19, 2016 Share July 19, 2016 (edited) At least that hostage nonsense is over. The episode was good in the sense that it was a well executed action-adventure. Unfortunately I'm still at a loss to understand why, exactly, the show is still going on. It's moved so far away from its premise that the story doesn't make any sense anymore. Back in season one it was apparent that most people had already died before the NJ even managed to reach the states. Even people on other ships - remember that ship they raided and found filled with corpses? Yet somehow, a year later or however much time has passed since then, we still have enormous populations still thriving (or just barely affected by this illness) living in east Asia. All these Chinese special ops, all of these Vietnamese, all of these Japanese - either they were all immune or the disease took a much longer time reaching their shores than the rest of the world. I don't understand how Takahara and his fellow pirates are - apparently - just now getting sick. If they didn't get the cure, then they should either be immune, or dead by now. We saw last season that the time between getting infected and dying from the disease is quite short. I don't think Tex's wife lasted more than a week. If the disease takes longer to kill some than others, they need to explain that. Remember when Rachel purposely infected the volunteer guinea pigs on the NJ to test her cure? They all fell ill at the same rate. Quote They've got day to day, serious problems, but the president is more concerned if Captain Tom has a hangnail. The entire "political" story with Michener makes zero sense. There's no way on earth the goings-on in China or Japan or anywhere else takes priority over the chaos right here at home. Seemingly he's waiting to see if the crew is rescued before he addresses the nation. Who in America gives a crap? There's looting and rioting and food rations, you think anyone gives a red rat's ass about what's going on with a naval ship in China? Why does Michener seem to think his presidency hangs on this one thing? Americans, rightfully, have more pressing concerns right now. Like eating. Jeepers. Edited July 19, 2016 by iMonrey 5 Link to comment
Lonesome Rhodes July 20, 2016 Share July 20, 2016 I totally get that Chandler is a singular hero and a great symbol of American strength and hope. Which is why he would never have been allowed to go to the PRC. Now that he has, and is lucky to be alive? He would be on the first available plane home, never to be placed in harm's way, outside of American shores. Michener is simply not that big a moron to let this mess play out with Chandler in the middle of it. He demonstrated some real savvy with the regional director tools and with Jacob, the reporter. 1 Link to comment
ramble July 23, 2016 Share July 23, 2016 I'm so completely uninterested in the political side of this. I felt like scenes back in St. Louis were similar to commercials. They interrupted the action & the story I was invested in watching. I admit it, I'm here for the military porn, the (don't think too much about it) drama & the delicious man candy. Danny & sweet, hot Wolf in their individual hand to hand combat scenes were throughly enjoyable. 2 Link to comment
ttgreif July 23, 2016 Share July 23, 2016 (edited) On 18/7/2016 at 11:30 AM, Lonesome Rhodes said: Well, at least it wasn't the Russians who showed up out of nowhere. This time. True. Did anyone see the Russian cruiser really sink?? I bet they got loads of caviar and vodka onboard. You never know... P.S. I liked this episode though. Lots of action in there. Edited July 23, 2016 by ttgreif 1 Link to comment
Raja July 23, 2016 Share July 23, 2016 We saw the catastrophic explosions of the Russian cruiser you don't come back from damage we saw . Somehow Nathan James was fixed after a cure was spread because St Louis had enough skilled workers left alive instead of taking another Arleigh Burke destroyer out of a shipyard we are lead to believe Link to comment
ttgreif July 23, 2016 Share July 23, 2016 I was only joking of course... But then, S01 with all the red faced-Russians sailing around Gitmo, it was real fun to watch. ;-) Link to comment
LocimusPrime July 24, 2016 Share July 24, 2016 The shack that the crew was hiding in/ using as cover against the Chinese would have been torn apart. Those thin wood planks wouldn't have stopped .223 or 5.62 or 7.62. Maybe it's time to get a bigger ship than the Nathan James. Perhaps upgrade to a cruiser Why didn't the drones switch to heat signatures to detect where the humans where. The helicopter plays a critical role in almost all the shows, why not upgrade to an Apache or Blackhawk. Did the plague affect/ destroy all of the US satellites? Why not use them 1 Link to comment
Raja July 24, 2016 Share July 24, 2016 1 hour ago, LocimusPrime said: The shack that the crew was hiding in/ using as cover against the Chinese would have been torn apart. Those thin wood planks wouldn't have stopped .223 or 5.62 or 7.62. Maybe it's time to get a bigger ship than the Nathan James. Perhaps upgrade to a cruiser Why didn't the drones switch to heat signatures to detect where the humans where. The helicopter plays a critical role in almost all the shows, why not upgrade to an Apache or Blackhawk. Did the plague affect/ destroy all of the US satellites? Why not use them Cruisers in the US Navy are basically old technology, there is not the big combat difference between them and new destroyers that their WWII era namesakes had. Cruisers need a bigger crew in a world where 80% are supposed to be dead and the Arleigh Burke Class like Nathan James can do just about everything the retiring cruisers can except they lack the anti air command facilities to control all the missiles that a task force will fire to protect the aircraft carrier at its center. Improved software may have already closed that deficiency. The last nuclear powered cruisers in the US were retired around 1999. The drones didn't pick up the pirates heat because they were in the tunnels popping up to shoot like the Japanese Army soldiers during the island campaigns of WWII or the Viet Cong/NVA during the Vietnam War. Nathan James was only carrying one Seahawk, although her class has hanger space for two. Maybe the other space is still being utilized as a laboratory, serum manufacturing area since her primary mission is to spread the vaccine. In any case the aircraft and its pilots where lost when the pirates kidnapped the Nathan James crew members in Vietnam. A civilian survivor of the pandemic just manged to acquire a Chinese military helicopter and joined the crew while neither Vietnam or China stepped forward to give the US a helicopter and crew for the US mission and Okinawa is out of range. Not mentioned but given the world as we know it I wouldn't be surprised if Korea was occupied by Kim trying to reunite in the confusion of the viral, pandemic and the Philippines may have had a flare up of their Islamic and communist rebel groups leaving their small air force at home As for the satellites I don't know if the show gave a reason. Perhaps the needed technicians at US Space Command and the NSA fell victim to the virus 1 Link to comment
LocimusPrime July 26, 2016 Share July 26, 2016 On July 24, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Raja said: Cruisers in the US Navy are basically old technology, there is not the big combat difference between them and new destroyers that their WWII era namesakes had. Cruisers need a bigger crew in a world where 80% are supposed to be dead and the Arleigh Burke Class like Nathan James can do just about everything the retiring cruisers can except they lack the anti air command facilities to control all the missiles that a task force will fire to protect the aircraft carrier at its center. Improved software may have already closed that deficiency. The last nuclear powered cruisers in the US were retired around 1999. The drones didn't pick up the pirates heat because they were in the tunnels popping up to shoot like the Japanese Army soldiers during the island campaigns of WWII or the Viet Cong/NVA during the Vietnam War. Nathan James was only carrying one Seahawk, although her class has hanger space for two. Maybe the other space is still being utilized as a laboratory, serum manufacturing area since her primary mission is to spread the vaccine. In any case the aircraft and its pilots where lost when the pirates kidnapped the Nathan James crew members in Vietnam. A civilian survivor of the pandemic just manged to acquire a Chinese military helicopter and joined the crew while neither Vietnam or China stepped forward to give the US a helicopter and crew for the US mission and Okinawa is out of range. Not mentioned but given the world as we know it I wouldn't be surprised if Korea was occupied by Kim trying to reunite in the confusion of the viral, pandemic and the Philippines may have had a flare up of their Islamic and communist rebel groups leaving their small air force at home As for the satellites I don't know if the show gave a reason. Perhaps the needed technicians at US Space Command and the NSA fell victim to the virus You're right, the last cruiser was retired in 2015. I would like something bigger There was several scenes where they where leading the hostages above ground through the jungle - having to use machetes. That's how the female discovered the path. Can they not just stop by another American naval base/ marine base/ army base ect . There's a bunch of them in Japan, South Korea, Singapore. Heck, we provided the cure, I'm sure one of the friendlier nations in the region wouldn't be opposed to giving them one. Thanks for providing some explanation though, some of it seems reasonable Link to comment
Raja July 26, 2016 Share July 26, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, LocimusPrime said: You're right, the last cruiser was retired in 2015. I would like something bigger There was several scenes where they where leading the hostages above ground through the jungle - having to use machetes. That's how the female discovered the path. Can they not just stop by another American naval base/ marine base/ army base ect . There's a bunch of them in Japan, South Korea, Singapore. Heck, we provided the cure, I'm sure one of the friendlier nations in the region wouldn't be opposed to giving them one. Thanks for providing some explanation though, some of it seems reasonable Most everybody is supposed to be dead in the world. Somehow a superspy survived in Asia but the entire US fleet and military presence in the western Pacific that the CNO controls seems to be a squadron of three destroyers out of Okinawa. Given that pirates are throwing out minefields in the chaos I would suspect that most of the world governments are hunkering down with strict quarantines, like the Containment TV series was suppose to represent, protecting their own and not going out on a humanitarian mission like the US Navy is. Edited July 26, 2016 by Raja Link to comment
BasilSeal July 27, 2016 Share July 27, 2016 On 19/07/2016 at 5:40 PM, iMonrey said: The entire "political" story with Michener makes zero sense. There's no way on earth the goings-on in China or Japan or anywhere else takes priority over the chaos right here at home. Seemingly he's waiting to see if the crew is rescued before he addresses the nation. Who in America gives a crap? There's looting and rioting and food rations, you think anyone gives a red rat's ass about what's going on with a naval ship in China? Why does Michener seem to think his presidency hangs on this one thing? It's an issue of strength of leadership and confidence, Mitchenor is being challenged by the regional governors, who are essentially just opportunists who've seized power and personal wealth on the back of the epidemic and want to carry on with this. He needs to be seen as a strong leader in order to impose his domestic policy on them, he also needs legitimacy, as an unelected president he needs popular support to give him the mandate he needs to carry out his policies. US service men and women have been shown being held as hostages and humiliated on national television, and not just ordinary service people, but ones who are literally national heroes to whom most of the viewers would owe their lives. It's hardly surprising that their safe return would be seen as a measure of Mitchenor's competence and ability to lead. The function of the annoying journalist guy is to show us that the information on the NJ's crew is being relayed to the people when we might reasonably think that in a depopulated US under martial law, the president could easily keep people in the dark. I''m actually quite interested in the practical aspects of how one would rebuild society in such circumstances, and they have touched on a few of the practical issues that occur to me, such as people simply taking property for themselves because the lawful owners have died, I can see that such things don't make for the most gripping o fdrama in an action adventure show though. Link to comment
millennium August 5, 2016 Share August 5, 2016 Is there something wrong with me? Because I thought this was the most tedious episode yet. It felt like an hour of watching grown men play soldier in a vacant lot. Zero suspense, zero concern for the characters, a lot of manufactured bravado accompanied by obligatory strains of heroic music ... the only thing missing was slow motion combat. 1 Link to comment
TV Anonymous August 13, 2016 Share August 13, 2016 On 7/26/2016 at 1:36 AM, LocimusPrime said: You're right, the last cruiser was retired in 2015. I would like something bigger Sorry, incorrect. There are still 22 ships of the Ticonderoga-class cruisers still in active-duty. Link to comment
TV Anonymous August 13, 2016 Share August 13, 2016 (edited) And once again, everybody is Infantry. Surface warfare or spy, they are all well-versed in CQB. Just to comment that nobody here picks: When attacked by the snipers, Chandler changed his weapon from rifle to pistol. What good does it do, really? My biggest gripe, they called artillery fire using an UAV video of a flying helicopter (!). What happened with good old grid and coordinates? ETA: Why in the world does Green hold both pieces of (presumably) Cruz's dog tag? Edited August 13, 2016 by TV Anonymous Link to comment
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