Season 18 Live Feed Discussion: Their Lives are Almost as Boring as Ours!

[peachmangosteen]

I saw someone bring this up elsewhere and it got me thinking about it: Since the HOH's team is safe should that team then not be allowed to compete in the next HOH? I feel like if they did that it would help alleviate some of the horribleness of this team twist.

Also, this season really is the most diverse season in awhile and yet here we are with the first 3 out Hispanics and the next one out LGBT. Sigh.

ETA: Frank is talking about targeting Day next week. You know what, I hope that happens. These idiots need to pay for evicting someone who would help them but hurt Frank when they want Frank out.

Edited July 10, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[BlackMamba]

3 hours ago, Marie80 said:

#Neverforget

Here is Clay trying to debunk the rumor 

[peachmangosteen]

Nice sexism from him there. 

Edited July 10, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Marie80]

3 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Nice sexism from him there. 

Seriously. I call my best friend Gossip Girl and he's a straight male. We all indulge in it so get over yourself, Clay Honeycutt. For some reason I just now realized what a porn star name he has.

[twilightzone]

11 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Also, this season really is the most diverse season in awhile and yet here we are with the first 3 out Hispanics and the next one out LGBT. Sigh.

Ethnicity and sexual orientation had nothing to do with them getting evicted. 

[mooses]

Frank telling Corey he doesn't want Day "in jury." Corey gets confused, thinking he's talking about an "injury."

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, twilightzone said:

Ethnicity and sexual orientation had nothing to do with them getting evicted. 

So! We had a diverse cast and yet all 4 of the first four evicted were non-white or non-straight. 

They'll probably use this to cast all white models, which is what they really want to do

Just now, mooses said:

Frank telling Corey he doesn't want Day "in jury." Corey gets confused, thinking he's talking about an "injury."

Oh Coco!

[Callaphera]

18 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

ETA: Frank is talking about targeting Day next week. You know what, I hope that happens. These idiots need to pay for evicting someone who would help them but hurt Frank when they want Frank out.

Is there any hope that Da'Vonne finds out and starts a movement to keep Tiffany, because she'll need the numbers to go after Frank next week? I'm all right with losing either Bronte or Paul, especially since I think Paul may have considered the bridges burnt between him and Da'Vonne after the Jozea vote. 

[mooses]

1 minute ago, Callaphera said:

Is there any hope that Da'Vonne finds out and starts a movement to keep Tiffany, because she'll need the numbers to go after Frank next week? I'm all right with losing either Bronte or Paul, especially since I think Paul may have considered the bridges burnt between him and Da'Vonne after the Jozea vote. 

He's told Paulie and Corey so far. I think the only hope is Corey mentioning it to Nicole, and Nicole telling Da'Vonne. But Nicole doesn't totally trust Da'Vonne, so I'm not hopeful.

Frank spoke to the cameras before - said he wants Natalie, Nicole, Bridgette at the end with him I believe.

And Michelle's homework from Frank is to learn 3 new facts about Bridgette everyday.

Edited July 10, 2016 by mooses

[twilightzone]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

So! We had a diverse cast and yet all 4 of the first four evicted were non-white or non-straight. 

They'll probably use this to cast all white models, which is what they really want to do

Oh Coco!

Glenn got evicted because he came in last with the comp.  Jozea's and Victor's overblown egos got them the boot.  Tiffany's paranoia and crappy social skills are sending her out the door.

[peachmangosteen]

4 minutes ago, twilightzone said:

Glenn got evicted because he came in last with the comp.  Jozea's and Victor's overblown egos got them the boot.  Tiffany's paranoia and crappy social skills are sending her out the door.

I think you're reading something more into it. What I said was there was a diverse cast and the first 4 evicted were people who contributed to that diversity, which is just an observation of a fact.

[zibnchy]

I love that apparently Corey is just plain dumb. I think if you look in one of his ears you can see out the other. Now wouldn't it be amazing if he won?

I'm not a long time fan. I've seen maybe 4 seasons. Has anyone ever won who was a clueless as Corey?

[Umbelina]

Frank talked to the cameras for a while starting about 2PM BBT.  He thinks he's playing a good game, and most of the house has his back.  His desired boot list is:

  Day, Paulie, Michelle, Corey

He talked for a while, worth a flashback.

ETA Nicole apparently peed her pants last night, so much that it was dripping on the floor as she ran to the bathroom.  The hell?  Anyone see that?

Edited July 10, 2016 by Umbelina

[me5671]

1 minute ago, Umbelina said:

Frank talked to the cameras for a while starting about 2PM BBT.  He thinks he's playing a good game, and most of the house has his back.  His desired boot list is:

  Day, Paulie, Michelle, Corey

He talked for a while, worth a flashback.

Frank wanting Michelle and Corey out so early is a huge mistake.  Neither of them are any serious threat to him... and if anything Michelle could be a huge asset for him if he treated her a little better.  He's really bad at this game.  If it wasn't for Grodner, he would have been a much earlier boot in his original season.

[mooses]

Bridgette hurting her ankle from celebrating has got to be peak HOH-itis. I still can't believe it how ridiculous that is!

[peachmangosteen]

43 minutes ago, twilightzone said:

Nope, I understood exactly what you were implying.  I totally disagree with it.

You disagree that the first 3 people evicted and person likely to be evicted 4th were contributing to the diversity of this season?

35 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

[Frank's] desired boot list is:

  Day, Paulie, Michelle, Corey

He's an idiot. Day I get but the others, especially Michelle and Coco, make little sense. He seems to be playing for the endgame already, which is especially funny since he's not likely to get there.

ETA: Frank just said he always saw right through Dan. Oh really, Frank?! Is that why you took him off the block in BB14?

Edited July 10, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Katesus7]

OK, I'm still behind in what has happened in the house and what has been happening here, but I have to post this now. Nicole and Michelle talking about how great a player Dan is, and how great the funeral was. Frank is saying he always saw right through Dan, the funeral meant nothing, Dan just swore on everything, and that's why Frank basically threw his whole game away, because of course. Basically, he is really, really pissy that Nicole and Michelle think Dan was so great (which he was, and the funeral was the best save ever. Period). It. Is. Awesome. 

[Callaphera]

From Jokers:

Quote

Paulie: It would be cool if they have Cody and Derrick come into the house and do a special Hitmen episode. NT

Just staaahp-uh already with the Cody and Derrick shit. No one cares!

[peachmangosteen]

Paulie's obsession with Derrick/Cody is as embarrassing as Nicole loving Coco. Hell it might be as embarrassing as Michelle telling everyone she created a Facebook for her fake boyfriend!

Edited July 10, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[mooses]

I think Paulie told Day that Frank wanted to put her up with the RK (but not positive, because they came in on the middle of the conversation). The boys also filled in Paul in on the whole Get-Frank-Out plan.

Edited July 10, 2016 by mooses

[Wings]

42 minutes ago, me5671 said:

Frank wanting Michelle and Corey out so early is a huge mistake.  Neither of them are any serious threat to him... and if anything Michelle could be a huge asset for him if he treated her a little better.  He's really bad at this game.  If it wasn't for Grodner, he would have been a much earlier boot in his original season.

Not huge mistake at all.  They both want him out as does everyone.  LOL  He is now aligned with the Spy Gs.  I hope Michele feeds him false information about Bridget.  Is she smart enough to know why he is asking and do that?

[Callaphera]

7 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Paulie's obsession with Derrick/Cody is as embarrassing as Nicole loving Coco. Hell it might be as embarrassing as Michelle telling everyone she created a Facebook for her fake boyfriend!

She also created a fake dog for her fake boyfriend. Going that extra mile and all.

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, Callaphera said:

She also created a fake dog for her fake boyfriend. Going that extra mile and all.

Well she's dedicated, I'll give her that!

[mooses]

Corey told Nicole and Michelle about Frank wanting to BD Frank. Nicole tells Michelle they shouldn't let anyone know because they don't want it to flip the script in any way.

[SiobhanJW]

1 minute ago, mooses said:

Corey told Nicole and Michelle about Frank wanting to BD Frank. Nicole tells Michelle they shouldn't let anyone know because they don't want it to flip the script in any way.

How are they going to flip the script? Frank still can't go up until next week. Lol. 

[mooses]

Just now, SiobhanJW said:

How are they going to flip the script? Frank still can't go up until next week. Lol. 

I think they don't want to let Day know, fearing that she would want to keep Tiffany this week. But Day may already know from Paulie.

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, mooses said:

I think they don't want to let Day know, fearing that she would want to keep Tiffany this week. But Day may already know from Paulie.

Their blind hate for Tiffany is going to screw the good plan which needs to have here there. 

I have taken a couple of days off of watching the feeds as much.  So who knows that Frank wants to take the Spy Gs to the end with him?

[SiobhanJW]

10 minutes ago, mooses said:

I think they don't want to let Day know, fearing that she would want to keep Tiffany this week. But Day may already know from Paulie.

I still think it's bad news to evict Tiffany and keep Bronte & Paul who can work with Frank. But whatever. 

Edited July 11, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Wings]

10 minutes ago, mooses said:

I think they don't want to let Day know, fearing that she would want to keep Tiffany this week. But Day may already know from Paulie.

Their blind hate for Tiffany is going to screw the good plan which needs to have her there. 

I have taken a couple of days off of watching the feeds as much.  So who knows that Frank wants to take the Spy Gs to the end with him?

[Umbelina]

 I read elsewhere that Paulie told Paul about the "get Frank out" thing.  Anyone see that?  Also, lots of bitter grapes and delusion from Frank today about just about everyone in his cast. 

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, wings707 said:

I have taken a couple of days off of watching the feeds as much.  So who knows that Frank wants to take the Spy Gs to the end with him?

I think only Frank knows as of now lol. But I too haven't been watching the feeds much since like Wednesday so I'm not sure if he has mentioned it to any of them.

[Wings]

Ah so he just spoke to the camera? 

[Umbelina]

If you don't normally watch the Sunday live broadcast?  Tonight you really should!  It's not on here yet but I heard that

Spoiler

Frank gets a brutal edit, including ass slapping and some more of his horrid treatment of the women. 

[mooses]

7 minutes ago, twilightzone said:

I disagree with your bigoted implications that their evictions were because of race or sexual orientation.

I think @peachmangosteen was just saying that it's unfortunate a lot of the diversity is going to be gone by Week 4. Not that the HGs evicted them because they're prejudiced or anything. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the sentiment is more, "Too bad they weren't better players because the cast was more diverse with them there," not "Too bad the HGs were a bunch of bigots and sent them packing."

[mooses]

But back to the feeds - Paulie slipped up and said something about Franks RoadKills. Tiffany, who doesn't know Frank won this one, caught that slip up. Paulie covered alright - I honestly don't think Tiffany thinks he knows for sure.

[Mnemosyne]

A question for feedsters: Frank was getting handsy/ass-slappey and displaying general assholish-ness with a few of the other women in the house besides Day, right?

[Lady Calypso]

Hey, hey guys, we're all cool here! Can we all band together and agree on one thing and that's this is not going to be another season 15? We don't have bigoted racists, or a bunch of misogynists who have their minions following every word that they say because they're afraid to go against the house. I'm just thrilled we've had more than two diverse houseguests this season, both in race and sexual orientation. We're lucky in that we've had more than half the house! Let's see...we have James, Zak, Day, Natalie, Jozea, Victor, Tiffany, and Bridgette! Oh yeah, and we've also had Glenn and maybe Bronte. Unfortunately we have Frank the Raging Misogynist, but at least people aren't completely sitting down and letting him say and do these things. 

I totally understand that there's some disappointment in the first three evictees were all minorities, and Tiffany would be the fourth. But we still have so many more minorities in the house. And Frank is the next big target, and Frank's been throwing out Corey and Paulie's names as potentials to go next. Frank has been throwing everyone's names out, to be fair. It's funny because he has no F2 deal that will actually stick. He has nobody to trust. Maybe Bridgette, but if the Spy Girls get more numbers, she could easily dump Frank and I doubt she'd take Frank over Bronte or Natalie in the finals. 

Also, I laugh at Frank saying he was never misted by Dan. Dude, you were the one misted most of all. You got Dan's own target out that week. Idiot. Dan was a phenomenal player, and Frank will never be anywhere close to his level. He's delusional if he thinks he outsmarted Dan. Nobody could outsmart Dan, not even Ian, in my opinion.

[Marie80]

Just now, Mnemosyne said:

A question for feedsters: Frank was getting handsy/ass-slappey and displaying general assholish-ness with a few of the other women in the house besides Day, right?

I believe he slapped Z on the butt too. He "play" choked Natalie and basically has man-handled the rest as well.

[SiobhanJW]

So I think Day will try and Rally the votes for Tiffany, I think she's waiting for all of the nominations to be confirmed. Especially in light of tonight's episode at the end, where she states that she is going to make sure she keeps Tiffany around longer then Frank- which thank goodness for Twitter- figured out that it was filmed sometime yesterday- possibly after the POV was played. 

Edited July 11, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Callaphera]

6 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said:

A question for feedsters: Frank was getting handsy/ass-slappey and displaying general assholish-ness with a few of the other women in the house besides Day, right?

4 minutes ago, Marie80 said:

I believe he slapped Z on the butt too. He "play" choked Natalie and basically has man-handled the rest as well.

He's also made comments to Nicole about how she eats and how much she eats, which led her to say that she doesn't even want to eat in front of him anymore. 

[Mnemosyne]

2 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

He's also made comments to Nicole about how she eats and how much she eats, which led her to say that she doesn't even want to eat in front of him anymore. 

Thanks.

Hmm. What a great guy. I did appreciate that Show did give us some of his awful behavior tonight, but the edit was still lacking IMO. Wish they would have shown Paulie taking him aside and having a chat with him.

What I really wish is that Grodner would kick him to the curb, but that's not going to happen.

[Callaphera]

Just now, Mnemosyne said:

Thanks.

Hmm. What a great guy. I did appreciate that Show did give us some of his awful behavior tonight, but the edit was still lacking IMO. Wish they would have shown Paulie taking him aside and having a chat with him.

What I really wish is that Grodner would kick him to the curb, but that's not going to happen.

I don't think the Paulie talk was all that. Sure, Paulie told him to tone down that shit behavior but to me, it sounded like he was justifying it a bit, too. If it had been a stern "Dude, you need to stop and here's why" speech from Paulie, I might have agreed. But I thought Paulie was wishy washy and left Frank with the feeling that yeah, Da'Vonne is pissed and it may not be right to do those things but y'know, we're dudes, we're bros, we do that stuff, she just took it the wrong way.

Just my opinion. Which was heavily coloured by my anger and burning hatred of everything Frank.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I don't think the Paulie talk was all that. Sure, Paulie told him to tone down that shit behavior but to me, it sounded like he was justifying it a bit, too. If it had been a stern "Dude, you need to stop and here's why" speech from Paulie, I might have agreed. But I thought Paulie was wishy washy and left Frank with the feeling that yeah, Da'Vonne is pissed and it may not be right to do those things but y'know, we're dudes, we're bros, we do that stuff, she just took it the wrong way.

Just my opinion. Which was heavily coloured by my anger and burning hatred of everything Frank.

I wish he did do that. I wish people could just stand up to Frank in the way that he needs. He needs someone to sit him down and explain to him, in detail, why his actions are wrong. Unfortunately, the other houseguests are too afraid so they turn soft. And the people in charge won't do a damn thing about it. I only blame production for not talking more to him; I'd love to blame Paulie for being wishy washy, but I feel like his softened words are also out of fear. I'm just happy he actually sat Frank down to talk to him. I just wish he didn't leave the conversation with Frank feeling somewhat justified. 

[Umbelina]

22 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said:

A question for feedsters: Frank was getting handsy/ass-slappey and displaying general assholish-ness with a few of the other women in the house besides Day, right?

If you go back a few pages you'll see a video of some of what Frank's done.

He farts in everyone's faces constantly, and the only asses he slap belong to Day and Z, both of whom have been slapped multiple times.  He calls several of the women names, comments that they need to get rid of a mustache, or their face gives him nightmares (Nicole) and she has no muscle tone, eats like an animal, told Day "titties sittin' right" and pulled up Z's blouse and called her a hussy.  It's constant.

[Callaphera]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I wish he did do that. I wish people could just stand up to Frank in the way that he needs. He needs someone to sit him down and explain to him, in detail, why his actions are wrong. Unfortunately, the other houseguests are too afraid so they turn soft. And the people in charge won't do a damn thing about it. I only blame production for not talking more to him; I'd love to blame Paulie for being wishy washy, but I feel like his softened words are also out of fear. I'm just happy he actually sat Frank down to talk to him. I just wish he didn't leave the conversation with Frank feeling somewhat justified. 

You're right. I had a paragraph raging about how I wish we could have seen James go off on Frank about it, because he seemed like the most offended out of the men about what was happening (aside from the comment about his kid) and how I was disappointed that he didn't say anything that strong to him. But I also understand why no one has. Doesn't make me less angry about the situation but I do understand. I really feel that there should have been some sort of punishment for Frank in-game, whether it was a penalty nom, HN status for a week, whatever. But he basically got off consequence free.

But yeah, the fact that Frank still doesn't understand why behavior like that is wrong is what really gets me. Sure, he'll stop popping Da'Vonne on the ass, sure, he'll stop calling Zakiyah a hussy but he doesn't know why he has to stop, other than the fact that "women are emotional" so he still feels justified. Asshole. 

[Mnemosyne]

5 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I don't think the Paulie talk was all that. Sure, Paulie told him to tone down that shit behavior but to me, it sounded like he was justifying it a bit, too. If it had been a stern "Dude, you need to stop and here's why" speech from Paulie, I might have agreed. But I thought Paulie was wishy washy and left Frank with the feeling that yeah, Da'Vonne is pissed and it may not be right to do those things but y'know, we're dudes, we're bros, we do that stuff, she just took it the wrong way.

Just my opinion. Which was heavily coloured by my anger and burning hatred of everything Frank.

No, you're correct. I'm re-watching the talk and Paulie was wishy-washy. I guess I was just glad to see someone half-way stand up to awful Frank. He could have done a better job, absolutely.

I feel awful for Day, Z, Nicole, and the rest of the women in the house for having to deal with the guy. He certainly doesn't seem pleasant. And that whole gas issue can't help...

[mooses]

18 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I don't think the Paulie talk was all that. Sure, Paulie told him to tone down that shit behavior but to me, it sounded like he was justifying it a bit, too. If it had been a stern "Dude, you need to stop and here's why" speech from Paulie, I might have agreed. But I thought Paulie was wishy washy and left Frank with the feeling that yeah, Da'Vonne is pissed and it may not be right to do those things but y'know, we're dudes, we're bros, we do that stuff, she just took it the wrong way.

Just my opinion. Which was heavily coloured by my anger and burning hatred of everything Frank.

I'm giving Paulie the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's because Day didn't even want Frank approached about it. Paulie said he felt like he had to say something because it's not okay, but promised he wouldn't make it like the women were upset (only because they were worried it would hurt them in the game). 

Obviously, Frank is a jerk so he still didn't think he did anything wrong - but I think Paulie was trying to tip-toe so he didn't hurt Day's game. 

And I'm not a Paulie fan at all, but that's just how I read the situation. I understand your view though, for sure.

Edited July 11, 2016 by mooses

[Callaphera]

It's an interesting situation because you run the risk of sinking your game by speaking out, whether you were one of the affected or just someone who is bothered by the behavior. They're all there to win half a million dollars (or get their jury stipend). How far do you let your personal morals and code go in order to do that? We all know it's a game of lying and backstabbing. At what point does it stop mattering to you and you feel compelled to speak out? Or do you not speak out at all? I laugh every year at the "Big Brother is a social experiment" thing because c'mon, it's a cheaply produced, long running reality show that fills the gap in programming in the summer but it might actually apply in this situation.

ETA: I will say that I felt the same way tonight about Da'Vonne's DRs about the situation as I did when Howard pulled Candice aside in BB15 and begged her not to lower herself to Aaryn's level because then it would become his fight and he didn't want to unleash his true temper about the situation. It just made me fucking sad that people have to do that. 

Edited July 11, 2016 by Callaphera

[Umbelina]

It's a tough question.

I'd never play this game, but if I did, I'd ONLY play it to win.  So would I be able to keep that focus, that none of this is real life, and simply keep my thoughts and opinions and outrage to myself in order to win?  I might, if my focus was strong enough.

To do that I'd have to repeat over and over again that it's a television show for a half million.  I'd probably talk honestly about my feelings to the camera, and my reasons.  I would never talk to the camera about anything production related, because they are the biggest player in the house, and that's one thing I'm sure I would never forget or underestimate.

ETA

Veto meeting?

If so, any schemes Day has to save Tiff will begin to come up after Frank's nominated his replacement, IF Bronte even comes down.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Umbelina

[Callaphera]

6 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

It's a tough question.

I'd never play this game, but if I did, I'd ONLY play it to win.  So would I be able to keep that focus, that none of this is real life, and simply keep my thoughts and opinions and outrage to myself in order to win?  I might, if my focus was strong enough.

To do that I'd have to repeat over and over again that it's a television show for a half million.  I'd probably talk honestly about my feelings to the camera, and my reasons.  I would never talk to the camera about anything production related, because they are the biggest player in the house, and that's one thing I'm sure I would never forget or underestimate.

I tried to answer my own question and couldn't. I'm a loud, outspoken person who has no problems making my opinions known, even when they don't match up with those around me. But I've never been in a situation like this so I can't accurately say. I'd like to believe that I would march right up to him and read him the riot act about why shit like that is not okay, but I don't know if I would. 

ETA: Of course, I would be absolute shit at this game and while I'd love an opportunity to play BBUS despite being Canadian, I'd either be out the second week for mouthing off to people or I would be the season's DOR because of the ants and grody bathroom.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Callaphera