Season 7 Finale Special - Check Up With Dr. Drew, Part 1

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Does Jenelle, or ANY of these girls, realize that you can date someone without moving them in with you immediately?

I asked the same thing when Kail pushed Javi to move in with her and Isaac.

1 hour ago, shelley1005 said:

Yeah, Chelsea.  

Bingo.

[Elizabeth9]

Nathan and Jenelle said they were together for a year?  I feel like Nathan has been on my tv so much longer than that.

[GreatKazu]

22 minutes ago, Elizabeth9 said:

Nathan and Jenelle said they were together for a year?  I feel like Nathan has been on my tv so much longer than that.

One year equals two seasons.

Jenelle needs to give her cooch a rest.

[Elizabeth9]

Spoiler

 

Wetpaint says June 2013-August 2015, with Kaiser being born in June 2014- making it a while whopping three months before she got pregnant.  Watching those two assholes fight at the reunion was actually quite sad.  This is why people should wait, oh I don't know- maybe longer than THREE MONTHS- before deciding to have a kid.  Even grade-A douchebags like these two can put on a good front for a few months.  Both are an abomination.  Poor Kaiser

[ReadMeLattice]

On 6/21/2016 at 6:46 PM, GreatKazu said:

One year equals two seasons.

Jenelle needs to give her cooch a rest.

I feel the same way about Nathan's and Adam's overactive weiners. Just watch some porn for a while, y'all.

A year?! And how many arrests and breakups occurred in that time?! Plus an engagement and a child and several moves and a back and forth dog. Jesus Christ. 

Edited June 23, 2016 by Lm2162

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

At least Adam has had a vasectomy. I commend him for that.

If only Jenelle would get her tubes tied and Nathan get a vasectomy, too. Sigh. 

Edited June 24, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

At least Adam has had a vasectomy. I commend him for that.

If only Jenelle would get her tubes tied and Nathan get a vasectomy, too. Sigh. 

Word.

For some reason I think Jenelle is jealous of her sister having had a baby girl. She won't tie her tubes until she gets that girl.

[DangerousMinds]

That is a bit of a terrifying thought. If she is so proud that Dave is teaching Jace "how to be a boy," how the hell will she teach how to be a girl??

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On June 23, 2016 at 7:28 PM, GreatKazu said:

 

For some reason I think Jenelle is jealous of her sister having had a baby girl. She won't tie her tubes until she gets that girl.

Agree.

[ReadMeLattice]

On 6/23/2016 at 5:05 PM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

At least Adam has had a vasectomy. I commend him for that.

If only Jenelle would get her tubes tied and Nathan get a vasectomy, too. Sigh. 

So true-- although unfortunately he could still spread STDs. Maybe he's calmed down in that arena recently, though. 

All these girls seem so obsessed with being with "a real man." Obsessed. Jenelle is constantly talking about how David is the only man she's been with, etc. Leah telling Jeremy to man up and saying the little lady should take care of the children while the man works. Chelsea obsessing over Cole making their family "real" because you need a man to have a family. Kailyn is the only one who doesn't and that's because she's pretty explicitly feminist and trying to be independent. Meanwhile, they regularly attract and are with men who are very much not *real men,* whatever that means.

I wonder what that's about. Daddy issues, yes, but there also seems to be something deeper about masculinity. 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Lm2162

[BitterApple]

It seems to be a common theme with most of the girls on TM and 16&Pregnant. They all think having a man is a one-way ticket to some white picket fence dream life. 99.9% of the time it crashes and burns because 17 year-old guys usually aren't in it for the long haul.

It bugs me the most with Chelsea because she was doing fine before Cole. It's not like Aubree was eating Ramen noodles in a double-wide while Chelsea stripped to make ends meet. Leah is just lazy and doesn't want to work, and Jenelle's version of a "real man" is one who has half a dozen arrests for domestic violence, but no convictions.

[Scarlett45]

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

It seems to be a common theme with most of the girls on TM and 16&Pregnant. They all think having a man is a one-way ticket to some white picket fence dream life. 99.9% of the time it crashes and burns because 17 year-old guys usually aren't in it for the long haul.

It bugs me the most with Chelsea because she was doing fine before Cole. It's not like Aubree was eating Ramen noodles in a double-wide while Chelsea stripped to make ends meet. Leah is just lazy and doesn't want to work, and Jenelle's version of a "real man" is one who has half a dozen arrests for domestic violence, but no convictions.

I could REALLY unpack this idea that a heteronormative lifestyle is the key to all life's problems for women, and that you social, finiancial and personal success is key to hooking yourself to a man.....but it's TOOOOOOOOO early for that. 

As far as Chelsea, she seems like a person that has a LOT of emotional needs (not a judgment but an observation). Some people really do better if they are partnered, by better I mean mentally, emotionally as well as financially.  Cole seems like a nice guy who wants to be with her and I wish them happiness. 

Edited June 26, 2016 by Scarlett45

[MargeGunderson]

On 6/26/2016 at 10:55 AM, Scarlett45 said:

I could REALLY unpack this idea that a heteronormative lifestyle is the key to all life's problems for women, and that you social, finiancial and personal success is key to hooking yourself to a man.....but it's TOOOOOOOOO early for that.

 What puzzles me is that all of these girls have had the opposite experience - none of them are still with the father of their first child (and some aren't with the father of their second child) but are still out their trying to find the guy to pin all their hopes and dreams on. In some cases, the girls seem to be supporting the guys - Macy, Jenelle, Amber (and I have no doubt that Catelynn would be doing it if Tyler weren't part of TM). Kail is the only one who seems to have some hustle in being independent and able to rely on herself. (Not a Kail fan, but I'll give her credit for pursuing a career of her own). 

[GreatKazu]

14 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

 What puzzles me is that all of these girls have had the opposite experience - none of them are still with the father of their first child (and some aren't with the father of their second child) but are still out their trying to find the guy to pin all their hopes and dreams on. In some cases, the girls seem to be supporting the guys - Macy, Jenelle, Amber (and I have no doubt that Catelynn would be doing it if Tyler weren't part of TM). Kail is the only one who seems to have some hustle in being independent and able to rely on herself. (Not a Kail fan, but I'll give her credit for pursuing a career of her own). 

Catelynn would definitely be latching herself to someone if Tyler was not there. She'd be fighting tooth and nail (no pun intended) to find someone who shares the same sloth-like lifestyle. 

Chelsea works outside of MTV and has been quite independent for some time without a guy living in her house. Yes, Kail is pursuing (she has not graduated yet) an education. As for independence, she had a short time of being on her own. But that changed when she tried to get Jordan to move in with her. Then she moved on to Javi. Kail had a lot of support from Javi's family so, I do not consider her to have been independent. In the end, she needed a guy to be there, with benefits and a huge support system. It is how she was able to take 147,432 vacations. 

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

 What puzzles me is that all of these girls have had the opposite experience - none of them are still with the father of their first child (and some aren't with the father of their second child) but are still out their trying to find the guy to pin all their hopes and dreams on. In some cases, the girls seem to be supporting the guys - Macy, Jenelle, Amber (and I have no doubt that Catelynn would be doing it if Tyler weren't part of TM). Kail is the only one who seems to have some hustle in being independent and able to rely on herself. (Not a Kail fan, but I'll give her credit for pursuing a career of her own). 

That's because in order to attract a healthy relationship you have to be in a healthy place ALONE- and these girls really aren't. I understand these girls are young, and there is nothing wrong with social companionship and getting your sexual needs met in a SAFE way but that's not what they are doing. (They aren't having fun, hanging out and having safe sex) They are looking for guys to fulfill some sort of emotional (and financial for some) hole in their lives.  These women are so desparate for "love" because they don't really love themselves and they attract losers. There's a saying I've heard among older black women "I can do bad by myself."- what happened to that attitude?

[SPLAIN]

On 6/25/2016 at 7:38 AM, Lm2162 said:

So true-- although unfortunately he could still spread STDs. Maybe he's calmed down in that arena recently, though. 

All these girls seem so obsessed with being with "a real man." Obsessed. Jenelle is constantly talking about how David is the only man she's been with, etc. Leah telling Jeremy to man up and saying the little lady should take care of the children while the man works. Chelsea obsessing over Cole making their family "real" because you need a man to have a family. Kailyn is the only one who doesn't and that's because she's pretty explicitly feminist and trying to be independent. Meanwhile, they regularly attract and are with men who are very much not *real men,* whatever that means.

I wonder what that's about. Daddy issues, yes, but there also seems to be something deeper about masculinity. 

Kail is also part of the group where life is not fulfilling until a guy moves in. She and Javi had barely been together for what? Two months before she pushed him into moving in with her. Then, there was that whole thing with the military and benefits. Kail was doing fine. She did not need Javi to move in, but she, like the rest, have these fairy tale dreams about Prince Charming and the white picket fence. 

It was mentioned that Kail needed stability because of the unknown about TM having another season. I still shake my head at the notion that Kail needed stability (a guy) and that she was incapable to live on her own. She had a full time job at a dental office. I have personally seen girls in similar situations capable of being single parents and achieving an education without a guy in the mix. 

[ReadMeLattice]

@SPLAIN, I think that's true, but based on her recent commitment to education and career, she does seem like she's learned/is learning from her mistakes. One may hope. ;)

[lidarose9]

6 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

Kail is also part of the group where life is not fulfilling until a guy moves in. She and Javi had barely been together for what? Two months before she pushed him into moving in with her. Then, there was that whole thing with the military and benefits. Kail was doing fine. She did not need Javi to move in, but she, like the rest, have these fairy tale dreams about Prince Charming and the white picket fence. 

The girls are products of the culture where they grew up. We still very much live in a culture where that "happy ending" is supposed to be a traditional man/woman marriage blessed with 2.3 kids and a dog and a white-picket fence. The girls grew up with this idea firmly planted. For the ones who grew up in unstable home environments, it probably became doubly important. "When I grow up, I'm never gonna do this to MY kids! I'm gonna have a good husband who treats me with respect and provides for our family!" They are all desperately trying to make that happen, and it's not happening because real life is not like that.

And then for these girls, when you add the pressure of an ongoing TV show directing all that attention onto you, it must be SUFFOCATING. Not one of these Teen Mom girls has managed to crawl out from beneath the weight of all that shit. Not one has said: "I'm going to become a doctor. I'm going to school, that is my top priority and I'm going to do whatever it takes to make that happen," with no mention of marriage or husband.

It is humiliating when someone doesn't love you back, and having that the plot of a TV show must be excruciating. And in their minds, the best revenge is to find that better man. So they can get that happy ending they think they are OWED. People feel cheated if they don't have it, or they feel blamed, like somehow they are defective or they have failed or are unlovable. Sure, it's fine to get an education too. The ones who do, good for them....but that isn't what defines success for these women, in their minds.

[SPLAIN]

It is why Katie from TM3 is my favorite. 

[ReadMeLattice]

1 hour ago, lidarose9 said:

The girls are products of the culture where they grew up. We still very much live in a culture where that "happy ending" is supposed to be a traditional man/woman marriage blessed with 2.3 kids and a dog and a white-picket fence. The girls grew up with this idea firmly planted. For the ones who grew up in unstable home environments, it probably became doubly important. "When I grow up, I'm never gonna do this to MY kids! I'm gonna have a good husband who treats me with respect and provides for our family!" They are all desperately trying to make that happen, and it's not happening because real life is not like that.

And then for these girls, when you add the pressure of an ongoing TV show directing all that attention onto you, it must be SUFFOCATING. Not one of these Teen Mom girls has managed to crawl out from beneath the weight of all that shit. Not one has said: "I'm going to become a doctor. I'm going to school, that is my top priority and I'm going to do whatever it takes to make that happen," with no mention of marriage or husband.

It is humiliating when someone doesn't love you back, and having that the plot of a TV show must be excruciating. And in their minds, the best revenge is to find that better man. So they can get that happy ending they think they are OWED. People feel cheated if they don't have it, or they feel blamed, like somehow they are defective or they have failed or are unlovable. Sure, it's fine to get an education too. The ones who do, good for them....but that isn't what defines success for these women, in their minds.

I think all this is true...and I'd add that with their histories of abuse/fatherlessness/broken families/neglect/lack of education/poverty/alcoholic parents, they are likely to attract abusive, unworthy, and/or immature male partners, too. So it makes it doubly hard. Except for Chelsea, who had quite a few years when it wasn't the case, they would be unable to recognize (or perhaps attract) an actually mature, educated, unselfish man if they desperately tried.