Jump to content

Type keyword(s) to search
Log-in Changes With Upcoming Upgrade

Spoiler Discussion Thread

Morrigan2575

By Morrigan2575
in Arrow

  • Start Topic

Recommended Posts

tarotx

tarotx

As I commented on that Article, imo the death this week was in Black and white since the season premiered. TPTB are saying they didn't know but I think they really did know. They had Quentin be in cohorts with Damian Darhk because he feared for Laurel's life. This season had both Lances deal in things over their heads-Lance with Damian and Laurel bringing Sara back angering Nyssa enough for her to "kill" the Lazarus pit. And consequences are about to hit them hard. Imo. I guess if they just let the story they were telling decide who would be the Grave Laurel was who it pointed too. I don't believe they didn't know from the start though. 

  • Love 5
  • Replies 90.8k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • apinknightmare

    7534

  • Morrigan2575

    5006

  • Chaser

    4512

  • statsgirl

    3172

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Carrie Ann
Carrie Ann

Me for all of last summer hiatus and 5A: Me after reading the WM interview from a few weeks back about Felicity's arc giving her a more profound understanding of Oliver: Me after r

BkWurm1
BkWurm1

I tend to think that trying to make KC a place on the show had a ripple effect that did hurt the show pretty badly.  She's what turned Quentin stupid and into a creepy stalker.  So that wipes off the

calliope1975
calliope1975

Challenge accepted.

Posted Images

NumberCruncher

NumberCruncher

I laugh when showrunners get upset over spoilers because it's such a fact of life in the TV/movie world. The people who read them are still likely going to watch the show regardless and those who don't read them try to avoid them until they watch. It's not the end of the world. The only thing I'll say has been a negative regarding the news of Laurel's demise is that it's prolonged the meltdown and sheer craziness we've witnessed the past few weeks so that's been fun. ;)

  • Love 3
tarotx

tarotx

I can way they would be upset with what was happening with Laurel's grave stone on twitter. People were posting it everywhere. I was in a random Thunder cats post at Universe collides fan facebook group and someone posted the Grave stone picture. Someone said that Cheetara looked more like Black Canary than Laurel did and they were happy Laurel was dead and posted the picture. So yeah this was not just regular spoilering. This was a massive spoilering. 

Chaser

Chaser

From that Hollywood Reporter interview:

 

 

Oh, come on MG.  We know that nobody held a gun to your held and forced you to write in the flashforward grave storyline.  You killed "the character in question" (aka Laurel) because you wanted to!  

 

Also, he seems quite annoyed that the death was spoiled by the paparazzi.  He doesn't deny the fact that the spoilers are true, though.  He just mentions how uncool it was for stuff to leak.

They loved this character so much the only storyline they wrote for her this season is her death.

 

I know some consider Sara a storyline for her but considering that wouldn't have happened without LOT, I don't.

tarotx

tarotx

(edited)

I think the episode is going to make it seem like it's Diggle and then throw a Cruve that it's actually Laurel. Maybe Laurel even dies saying Diggle?


They loved this character so much the only storyline they wrote for her this season is her death.

 

I know some consider Sara a storyline for her but considering that wouldn't have happened without LOT, I don't.

Even if her Sara story was about Laurel, it is what caused the Lazarus pit to be "killed" and a death Karma to be coming for her. So even that linked to Laurel's death arc.

Edited by tarotx
  • Love 6
foreverevolving

foreverevolving

(edited)

I think the episode is going to make it seem like it's Diggle and then throw a Cruve that it's actually Laurel. Maybe Laurel even dies saying Diggle?

Even if her Sara's story was about Laurel, it is what caused the Lazarus pit to be "killed" and a death Karma to be coming for her. So even that linked to Laurel's death arc.

I do wonder, if by using the pit to resurrect someone, someone who was dead dead, not almost dead like Thea, invokes a life for a life type of consequence?

 

Edit: because proper sentence formation is a good thing.

Edited by foreverevolving
tarotx

tarotx

Maybe not on purpose but it sure fits imo. Laurel being the reason Nyssa kills the LP was done on purpose though.  It's beautiful and sad. I know Nyssa will feel the pain of that. 

I do wonder, if by using the pit to resurrect someone (like someone who was dead dead, not almost dead like Thea) has the consequence of a life for a life?

  • Love 2
kismet

kismet

I betcha they cut the FS/CHt scene because now that Echo has signed on to be a regular they are going to change the timeline of his journey. Perhaps they had a more accelerated plan, but now they do not need to do it. Plus I think it would be insensitive to make it seem like Echo is replacing KC both on screen and off screen, which is what it feels like from my perspective with them dropping the information the same week and holding a screening to make sure everybody knew for sure. So by minimizing him in her death episode, it at least by making her death the focus of the episode it gives her that as consolation prize.

tv echo

tv echo

(edited)

From the IGN article (page 34 of Spoilers thread):

There’s another bit of father/daughter drama, but the good kind, as a job promotion opens up for Laurel Lance, and she’s faced with a big decision regarding her superhero/civilian life that father Quentin Lance will have to help her make -- without the use of swords.

 

Remember that TVLine interview from some time ago when WM said that Laurel will struggle with her dual identity as a secret vigilante (Black Canary) and being an ADA?  (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

What if part of the heartbreaking aspect of Laurel's death is that shortly before it happens, she has a talk with her father and decides that, for her father's sake, after she helps the team take down Darhk, she's going to give up being the Black Canary and focus on using her lawyer skills to fight crime?  

 

Maybe the job offer from the new mayor is being the city's chief legal counsel (City Attorney General).

Edited by tv echo
  • Love 3
AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

One of the reviews, I think, specifically said the offer was from the new mayor, and name-checked Ruve. Like "an offer from SC's new mayor, Ruve Adams..." It makes no sense at all to me that LL would think about happily jaunting off to be the DA or whatever for the supervillain/his wife. The only thing that would make that make sense be LL going undercover, but that wouldn't be happy?

 

Weird.

Genki

Genki

I think they dropped the Echo as regular news because he can be used as replacement for everybody on team arrow-Mask comic hero: BC/Speedy, Black Driver/second male in the Arrow cave: Diggle and Tech guy: Felicity. He also can replace Barry/Cisco so no need for more cross overs...

 

 

Also no room for Ray Palmer to return. :evil grin

 

I don't mind them dropping the news about Echo's status this week, IMO I'd prefer if he takes some heat for Laurel's death that could potentially go to Felicity.

 

I'm glad we got confirmation about Papa Smoak returning, what I find interesting is that in this week's Ask Ausiello that had this spoiler for Supergirl, about "Cadmus" which was on the Tech that Papa Somoak was using in 4.12.

 

This AAnd That…

♦  Project Cadmus will “definitely” play a role in Supergirl‘s (not-yet-ordered) second season, according to exec producer Andrew Kreisberg, noting that the evil conglomerate “has such a rich history in the comics and the animated shows.” Until it makes its formal debut, Cadmus will “remain more of an evil, specter-y thing that’s out there.”

  • Love 3
Midnight Lullaby

Midnight Lullaby

One of the reviews, I think, specifically said the offer was from the new mayor, and name-checked Ruve. Like "an offer from SC's new mayor, Ruve Adams..." It makes no sense at all to me that LL would think about happily jaunting off to be the DA or whatever for the supervillain/his wife. The only thing that would make that make sense be LL going undercover, but that wouldn't be happy?

 

Weird.

If you are referring to GATV advanced review he never said the new mayor is going to be Ruve.

Genki

Genki

(edited)

No, there are a bunch of others. Also, if the new mayor were Oliver, why would she be torn about taking a job from him? And why would he be dealing with her decision when he made the offer? 

 

Also if Oliver was Mayor, why would he even offer a job to Laurel? She was never part of his campaign and for vigilante activity her being in the DA's office is way better for TA .

 

Last week Ruve was offering the job to Thea's boyfriend and Laurel suggested he try for one at PT, probably getting rid of the competition. 

Edited by Genki
AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

Also if Oliver was Mayor, why would he even offer a job to Laurel? She was never part of his campaign. Last week Ruve was offering the job to Thea's boyfriend and Laurel suggested he try for one at PT, probably getting rid of the competition. 

Maybe in weird-ass SC the mayor appoints the DA? But yeah, it seems fairly clear to me that the offer is from Ruve in her new position as mayor. I'm just not sure why that's father/daughter drama of the good kind? Evil chick offers you a job, you say NO. You don't need your dad's advice to figure that one out.

 

It could be that she wants to go undercover, but that doesn't seem like a good thing, either.  I don't know, the IGN article is maybe just written oddly. 

  • Love 1
ComicFan777

ComicFan777

(edited)

I've seen speculation that Ruve offers Laurel a job or she outs her as the BC, which in turn could endanger the team.  She chooses to continue being the BC, gets killed for standing up to Ruve, and that's why it's important to have BC mentioned on her tombstone because that's what she died for.

Edited by ComicFan777
  • Love 1
Midnight Lullaby

Midnight Lullaby

(edited)

No, there are a bunch of others. Also, if the new mayor were Oliver, why would she be torn about taking a job from him? And why would he be dealing with her decision when he made the offer?

I imagined she could be torn because she would have to decide where she can do more good. And she and Oliver would have to talk about it if he is making the offer. But I also just read the GATV advanced review so my view on it is partial.

I just have a hard time seeing LL wondering about accepting Ruve's job offer after all their arguments against the idea when it was about Alex.

And the other thing that makes me wonder is the paps talking about "Queen for mayor" when they posted the pics of the party Oliver, Thea and LL are going to be at in this ep.

Edited by Midnight Lullaby
lemotomato

lemotomato

(edited)

Arrow's Marc Guggenheim On The Social Media Firestorm From Tomorrow's Big Death

Russ Burlingame - 04/05/2016

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/05/arrows-marc-guggenheim-on-the-social-media-firestorm-from-tomorr/

 

Guggenheim said that "It's never been just about one or two different particular fan bases. We make the creative choices we feel benefit the show as a whole, and the story that we're telling overall."

I feel like if there were any external factor that tipped the scales for killing off Laurel (as opposed to say, Lance, who would have been a much safer choice), I think it's the fact that MG has been saying this since the dawn of time and no one believed him. He was never going to be free of getting asked "Do you write the show for the show's sake? Or to honor comics? Or to pander to fanbases?" until Laurel was off the show because she was the focal point of those questions.

Edited by lemotomato
  • Love 11
AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

I imagined she could be torn because she would have to decide where she can do more good. And she and Oliver would have to talk about it if he is making the offer. But I also just read the GATV advanced review so my view on it is partial.

I just have a hard time seeing LL wondering about accepting Ruve's job offer after all their arguments against the idea when it was about Alex.

And the other thing that makes me wonder is the paps talking about "Queen for mayor" when they posted the pics of the party Oliver, Thea and LL are going to be at in this ep.

Comicfan's spec sounds reasonable. Join me or I don't just kill you, but your father, and out you as the BC, thereby jeopardizing your team.  

 

But yeah, I don't think she'd have to think hard or be torn at all by Oliver wanting her to work for/with him, so I am 99.9% sure it's Ruve and she's the mayor.

  • Love 3
ComicFan777

ComicFan777

I imagined she could be torn because she would have to decide where she can do more good. And she and Oliver would have to talk about it if he is making the offer. But I also just read the GATV advanced review so my view on it is partial.

 

 

I can't imagine Oliver giving a job offer that would make Laurel choose between civilian life vs superhero life.  He has been fighting to do both since forever...just can't imagine him putting someone else in a position that they would have to pick one.

  • Love 1
nksarmi

nksarmi

Well honestly, unless you are blindly in love with KC or Laurel - you have to admit that the way they have developed her over the years makes her a bad "fit" for the show at this point.  Ironically, by preparing for her death - they have written her better than they ever have.  But if you look at who they have more stories to tell with - clearly they feel they have more room to work with Quentin than Laurel.  I'm surprised they are doing this, but not because it doesn't make sense - just because comics.

  • Love 2
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...