Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Starfish35]

All this talk about Quentin and Laurel and MG saying that Laurel's learned her lesson about keeping secrets from her father.... It made me think. As far as we know, she (and everyone else) is still keeping a very big one from him - the truth behind Sara's murder. She's told him that Sara's dead, but not that she knows who was behind it. That's pretty major, but with Sara coming back to life, I wonder if it will ever be addressed? Or if we'll find out that during the summer Laurel told him everything?

[tv echo]

It's Felicity, not Curtis, who will be involved in getting Ray back to normal size.  Since Curtis will be working with Felicity at PT, I suppose it's possible he'll be helping as well, but I don't recall seeing any spoilers tying Curtis to Ray's return.

-- Per WM, Felicity is going to be the one that brings Ray back to the show. (IGN video of interview with SA, EBR and WM at SDCC 2015, page 157 of Behind the Mask)

-- Felicity will be instrumental in discovering that Ray managed to shrink himself in the lab acccident that saw an entire floor of PT exploding into his face. (WhatCulture article, page 67 of Starling City Times thread)

Edited August 20, 2015 by tv echo

[tv echo]

I was going to wait until closer to October to post an update, but too many spoilers have come out in the past month or so...

 

ADDENDUM #1 TO SUMMARY OF S4 SPOILERS

 

Episode 4x01 Green Arrow
-- Per MG, Billy Joel song for 4x01 would be "You're My Home." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Remember, Damian Darhk (Neal McDonough) will debut in this episode.
-- Remember, flashback villain Baron Reiter (Jimmy Akingbola) will debut either in this episode or in episode 4x03.
-- Oliver and Felicity return to Starling City to help Thea, Laurel and Diggle when a new threat emerges in the form of Damien Darhk, the leader of the international criminal syndicate known as H.I.V.E. In flashbacks, Oliver's journey leads him to Coast City, where he clashes with a shadowy organization known as "Shadowspire" and its leader, the bloodthirsty Baron Reiter. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Episode 4x02 The Candidate
-- Per MG, Billy Joel song for 4x02 would be "Got to Begin Again." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Remember, this is the episode that will feature the debuts of Mr. Terrific (Echo Kellum), Anarky (Alexander Calvert), and Jessica Danforth (Jeri Ryan).

-- Jessica Danforth is "a mayoral candidate who is deeply committed to her city and willing to risk her life to stand up for the people...a peer and an old friend of the late Moira Queen, and was once close with Oliver and Thea. She is also a mother, and cares for her daughter above all else." (DenofGeek article, page 580 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- Oliver must protect philantrophist Jessica Danforth, an old friend of his mother Moira Queen who is running for Mayor of Starling City, from Lonnie Marchin, a psychotic terrorist-for-hire also known as "Anarky", employed by Darhk to wreak havoc in Star City. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- A wealthy humanitarian and old friend of Moira Queen who decides to run for Mayor of Starling City. Jessica is deeply committed to her city and willing to risk her life to stand up for the people, but her political ambitions put her on the crosshairs of dangerous adversaries. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Jessica Danforth's daughter, Madison (played by Tiera Skovbye), supports her mother in her political endeavors and will have lasting impact in Oliver's life. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- Tiera Skovbye is playing Madison Danforth, Jessica's daughter.  The character is said to be a version of a classic DC Comics character and have lasting impact on Oliver's life. (co4chan, superherohype and moe fan boards, page 580 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

 

Episode 4x03 Restoration
-- Title of 4x03 is "Restoration." (MG tweet, page 19 of Spoilers thread and page 180 of Behind the Mask thread).
-- Per MG, Billy Joel song for 4x03 would be "I Go to Extremes." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Remember, this is the episode that will feature the debuts of Double Down (JR Bourne) and Conklin (Ryan Robbins).
-- Jocelyn Ott and Giles Panton will appear in an early episode of S4 and may be working with JR Bourne. (JO, JRB and GP tweets, page 183 of Behind the Mask thread)
-- Remember, flashback villain Baron Reiter (Jimmy Akingbola) will debut either in this episode or in episode 4x01.
-- Oliver is hit by a car in this episode. (YVRShoots article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- In response to a fan asking if we're gonna see Felicity in a casino playing cards again because she's so awesome at it, MG: "There’s kind of a reference to it in Ep. 403." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Oliver fights meta-human criminal Jeremy Tell, also known as "Double Down", who can turn his playing card tattoos into razor-sharp deadly weapons. Meanwhile, the return of Sara Lance through the machinations of Malcolm Merlyn sends shockwaves through the team. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Baron Reiter's right-hand man, Conklin, is a sadistic, high-ranking member of Shadowspire who vows to destroy Oliver's life once he crosses paths with the organization in Coast City. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Episode 4x05 [previously 4x04] Beyond Redempton [WILL AIR AS 4TH EPISODE]
-- The title of the 4th episode is "Beyond Redemption." (GreenArrowTV article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, "the title refers to more than one person or thing... There’s a bunch of things in episode 4 that are beyond redemption. It’s something that keeps coming up in that episode. There’s a bunch of big revelations in that episode, and some key discoveries. It’s an episode where the title pretty much touches on the different storylines to that episode.” (GreenArrowTV article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, Billy Joel song for 4th episode would be "Great Suburban Showdown."  (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
[-- Oliver join forces with The Flash to uncover the mystery of Hawkman and Hawkgirl and their connection to the immortal warlord Vandal Savage. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)][COULD BE SPOILER FOR 4x08 AND NOT THIS EPISODE]

 

Episode 4x04 [previously 4x05] Haunted [WILL AIR AS 5TH EPISODE]
-- The title of the 5th episode is "Haunted." (SpoilerTV article, EW article and MG tweet, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- "Haunted" will air as the 5th episode, but is being shot as 4th. Production codes are in production order, not air date order. (BFS tweet, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, Billy Joel song for 5th episode would be a tie between: "Modern Woman", "Only the Good Die Young", "She's Always a Woman", "She's Right on Time" and "That's Not Her Style." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- A character is getting resurrected during 4x05. (TVLine, EW and Hollywood Reporter articles, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- John Constantine (played by Matt Ryan) will appear in this episode. Per MG, he "will factor into the fallout from bringing Sara Lance (Caity Lotz) back to life via the Lazarus Pit." He will provide “critical support to Oliver (Stephen Amell) when arrows aren’t enough.” (SpoilerTV, TVInsider and EW articles, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per WM, John Constantine is tied to Sara Lance's resurrection. (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per WM, Constantine's role was "born out of the storyline for Sara Lance. We needed someone to come in and help bring her back.". (IGN article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On TA's reaction to Constantine and the supernatural, MG: "If you go back and rewatch Season 3, [Oliver] refers to having some experience with the mystical. Oliver knows that the world is a larger place than most people think. So the team will have one reaction, but Oliver will have more of an experienced reaction." (TVInsider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, we "can expect some significant Constantine/Laurel interaction." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Episode 4x05 is the episode for you if you want Oliver/Laurel scenes. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread) [posted before production code number change]
-- "There will be life after love for Thea, and it rears its 'handsome, charming, witty' head in Episode 5 in the form of Alex, a sharp and polished political consultant who will eventually get Speedy to utter these two very important words: 'Roy who?'" (TVLine article, page 18 of Spoilers thread) [posted before production code number change]
-- Parker Young has been cast in the recurring role of Alex Davis, a clever, ambitious young man who begins working for Oliver and catches Thea's eye.  (TV Guide article, page 19 of Spoilers thread; ETonline article, page 565 of Spoiler Discussion thread; and TVAfterDark article, page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- Oliver recruits occultist John Constantine to help Sara transition back to the world of the living after months being dead have damaged her mind. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Episode 4x06
-- Donna Smoak (played by Charlotte Ross) will appear in 4x06. (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- 4x06 will answer the question of whether the explosion at Palmer Tech is on the same time line as Oliver & Felicity's journey. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Episode 4x07
-- [nothing yet]

 

Episode 4x08 [Arrow/Flash Crossover]
-- Per MG, the crossover will explain why Arrow and Flash were not chosen to be part of the LoT team. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Hawkman (played by Falk Hentschel) will first appear in the crossover episodes of Arrow and The Flash before he continues the role in LoT. (Hollywood Reporter article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Vandal Savage (played by Casper Crump) will first appear in the crossover episodes of Arrow and The Flash before he continues the role in LoT. (Hollywood Reporter article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Remember, the first non-Oliver flashback will be in 4x08.
[-- Oliver join forces with The Flash to uncover the mystery of Hawkman and Hawkgirl and their connection to the immortal warlord Vandal Savage. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)]
-- A brave adventurer and skilled warrior, Carter Hall is the latest reincarnation of the Egyptian Prince Khufu, who is fated to reincarnate throughout time along with his soulmate, Shayera. Carter is able to access the powers of the Hawk God, Horus, transforming him into the winged warrior known as "Hawkman". (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

(to be continued)

Edited August 25, 2015 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

Thanks for the updates!

[tv echo]

ADDENDUM #1 TO SUMMARY OF S4 SPOILERS (cont'd)

 

Oliver & Felicity

-- First look pic of Oliver & Felicity in S4 posted. (TVInsider article, page 579 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- Full version scan of first look pic of Oliver & Felicity in S4 from TV Guide posted. (Soulfire post, page 19 of Spoilers thread, and wonderwall and Velocity23 posts, page 580 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

-- Oliver and Felicity's apartment this season will be "familiar". (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, you are "going to be so happy" if you want to see Oliver and Felicity be in an adult relationship, including integrating their relationship into the lair and missions. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, the impact of Oliver & Felicity's romance on the show will be "organic." For example, “body language” will more often than not take the place of more overt indicators. “Like, when Oliver and Felicity are together at her workstation, now he’s got his hand on her shoulder... It’s a difference of degrees. Basically, we’re treating them like two coworkers who started dating.” (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- MG: "The relationship with Felicity is the thing [Oliver] aspires to in terms of a more postiive, healthy environment... But can [he] do it while also a vigilante? That’s going to be the two things pulling at him throughout the year." The dilemma is going to be "How do I be both? ... How [does he] do it in a way that doesn’t have [him] descending back into darkness like [he] was doing in the first three seasons?” (Zap2it article, page 19 of Spoilers thread and page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- On Oliver & Felicity's new relationship, WM: “It’s going to be challenging... It’s going to be fun to see them maintain this relationship through the ups and downs of a lot of big challenges coming there way.” As for fans who get nervous over those issues, WM said to “hang in there, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride. We’ll see whether they weather the storm, but it’s going to be fun its going to be exciting.” (Hollywood Life article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On the risk of putting the will-they, won't-they couple together, WM: “That was endlessly debated. We’re all big fans of shows like The X-Files that have big shipper elements... It just felt like the way it needed to go, they were ready for it. That doesn’t mean, obviously, [that] they’ll always be together. In these things, nothing goes smoothly in Shakespeare or on our show in the course of love, and they’re going to have their fare share of challenges, but it felt like the right time.” (Hollywood Life article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Oliver and Felicity 's status, WM: "They come back in a happy place. One of the things that we’re excited about is that we really want to explore them being together and in a good place, at the top of the season, but there are challenges. It’s not going to be easy. We’re interested in seeing how the relationship weathers those storms and how they influence the people around them." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On O/F's biggest challenges now, WM: "It’s dangerous. They’re both soldiers, essentially, just in different ways. She’s a bad-ass on her own. She’s been attacked and she’s put her life at risk. The other piece of it is, how do you maintain any sense of normalcy? Any couple that works together, I don’t know how they do that. Everything you have at home comes into the workplace. Hopefully, we’ll have fun with that, this year. If they’re having a fight, how will the team members react?" (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- SA: "Oliver and Felicity are fully together this year...  It's good.... So often on the show we've had the dynamics of either a new relationship or a burgeoning relationship or a relationship that you think is gonna happen and doesn't. We've never really had a - aside from Diggle and Lyla - we've never really had an established relationship where we see two people interact as a team, and I feel like we're doing a good job of that this year without being cheesy." (Video of SA panel from Chicago Comic-Con 2015, page 188 of Behind the Mask thread)

-- Per SA, Felicity is not the only girl in Oliver's life in season 4.  (Video of SA panel from Chicago Comic-Con 2015, page 188 of Behind the Mask thread)

 

Oliver's Flashback Love Interest [Ann]
-- Oliver will have a past love interest (played by Elysia Rotaru) who will recur in flashbacks. MG: "Oliver is gonna have a love interest in the past that will serve as a parallel or potentially a contrast to his love affair with Felicity in the present."  (EW article, page 19 of Spoilers thread; and TVAfterDark article, page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- MG: "Truth be told, we really wanted a flashback love interest to contrast it with the present day love interest of Felicity." That contrast has an important role in the new season, as Oliver isn’t the man he once was. “It’s tricky with Oliver, because the Oliver of the flashbacks is very different from the Oliver of present day." Though, the show itself is also very different. MG: “Because we’re going lighter in tone in present day, we’re going darker in flashbacks. This isn’t going to be a fun, rollicking romance in the past. But it does exist to contrast what’s going on in the present... The truth is, had Oliver and Felicity not gotten together in the present, I don’t know if we would have thought to give Oliver a love interest in the past.” “I think the Olicity shippers should be happy that he had a romance in the past whose last name wasn’t Lance,” Guggenheim jokes. (Zap2it article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On contrasting Oliver's love life in the past and the present, WM: "It’s to see him in a relationship in the past and a relationship in the present, and contrast where he is. The flashbacks are going to be Oliver at his darkest place, but in the present day story, he’ll be at his happiest. It will be about, how did he get there and how did those really dark moments inform his decision to maintain his faith, despite everything that’s happening around him?" (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- Oliver's flashback love interest, Ann, is a young woman whom Oliver becomes romantically involved with in Coast City. (4chan info, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Oliver Queen AKA Green Arrow
-- The answer to Oliver's Asian tattoos will be coming up this season. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per WM, they look at S4 as "sort of a big shift for Oliver Queen's character... In this season, he's in a completely different place. He's happy, and in love!"  (Hollywood Life article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- WM: "Oliver is in a much happier place. He has renewed faith. His returning from being a soldier of war with PTSD has all been closed off and finished, by the end of Season 3. He’s done dealing with his family’s legacy and is really looking towards what his is going to be. That’s an interesting, different place for him to be." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- SA: "t's been so fun to play a more grown-up, relaxed, happy, easygoing, and yet still steely and determined  version of Oliver this year. It's been really, really fun. And I think you guys are really going to like it." (Video of SA panel from Chicago Comic-Con 2015, page 188 of Behind the Mask thread)

 

Felicity Smoak
-- Per MG,  the “strong, capable, funny Felicity… we know and love” will be back. (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- MG: “We’re going to avoid, for as long as we can, Felicity being kidnapped.” (Zap2it article, page 19 of Spoilers thread and page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- On Felicity getting out in the field again, WM: "It’s a challenge, just because we’ve established her as such a smarty pants who’s vital to their missions, in terms of her hacking skills. That said, we’d all love to see her out in the field. I don’t think she’ll ever be out in the field in the same way that the other team members are, but I would love to see her in action, and I think everybody on the staff would, too. There will be a little bit of that, this season." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- SA: "Felicity Smoak looks sexy as hell firing a gun".  (Fan tweet and video clip of SA at Nocking Point party, page 19 of Spoilers thread and page 578 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

-- Felicity is not getting a code name yet, although there’s a running joke in the Arrow writers room about what Felicity’s alias would be if they were to give her one. WM: "Dig is out in the field, so there’s a necessity for [him to have one]... But not quite yet for Felicity, although you never know. We all love the idea of her getting her out there more and being a badass. It’s just a question of finding the right way to do it.” (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

(to be continued)

Edited August 26, 2015 by tv echo

[tv echo]

ADDENDUM #1 TO SUMMARY OF S4 SPOILERS (cont'd)

 

Team Arrow
-- Pic of new expanded Arrowcave (known in the writers room as the Arrow Bunker) has been posted. The new lair is now a much larger space divided up into smaller spaces.  MG: "There is an area for Felicity to work, there is an area for Oliver to work out, and there is a garage. There are many different places we’ll continue to discover over the course of the season that give you a sense that this thing is a bit bigger than we got used to in the first three years.” (EW article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- There will be a salmon ladder in the new Arrowcave. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- How the new Arrowcave was funded will be explained. (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

-- Per SA, they've been working in the temporary Arrowcave, which is "small and dingy and dark - and actually very reminiscent of the early parts of season one before Felicity came in and installed lights" and have not yet been in the new Arrowcave yet (this was said on Aug. 22, 2015). (Video of SA panel from Chicago Comic-Con 2015, page 188 of Behind the Mask thread)

-- On the TA dynamic, WM: "Dig has a huge bone to pick with Oliver when they see each other again, at the top of Season 4. We’re gonna work that out. It’s not gonna be easy. With what happened to Dig’s family, it’s really tough to buy that back, and Oliver is not gonna to be able to. Obviously, they can’t be mad at each other forever, or what are we doing? But also, in the intervening months while Oliver has been gone, Dig has, more or less, been leading the team. It’s a little bit more democratic, Speedy and Black Canary are both super bad-ass and kicking butt. He’s not happy, when he and Oliver meet again. It’s not an open-armed, “Hey, buddy, all is forgiven,” reunion." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

John Diggle
-- Diggle will have a code name to go with his new uniform, but it won't be the Guardian. MG: "We’ve always said Diggle’s comic book trajectory is Diggle. DC Comics has put John Diggle in the comics. We’re going to give him a code name out of practicality. I can’t tell you when it’s going to happen, because every time I write it, I end up taking it out, because it feels forced. I need to find the right moment for it. But we have the code name, DC’s approved it… but it’s unique to Diggle, and that’s what I like about it." (GATV article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- WM: "By necessity, he can’t be Diggle out in the field. I can’t tell you what the code name is, but he’s gonna have a fun, cool code name. He’ll start to embrace a little bit more of that dual identity conundrum that Oliver has been grappling with for three years now." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- MG: "Dig is hellbent on finding out why his brother was targeted this season." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Laurel AKA Black Canary
-- MG hinted with "Vroom, Vroom" noises that Laurel will be getting a motorcycle this season.  (CW tweeted video of Arrow cast, MG and WM at SDCC 2015, page 182 of Behind the Mask thread)
-- Per WM, Laurel is a "key player in the decision to bring [sara] back from the dead." (TV Guide article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per WM, Laurel is "fully arrived as Black Canary when we come back... There's no more learning curve."  But there are still struggles for her as a costumed crimefighter. "She has a secret identity; how does she grapple with that? And she's an ADA, so what kind of impact is that going to have on her decisions as Black Canary - and vice versa?" (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Quentin Lance
-- PB: “Thanks to Laurel helping him see the light at the end of last season, Lance is back on the wagon for now, trying to keep on the straight and narrow... But that will of course be tested when Sara comes back from the dead. Because I think when your daughter’s coming back from the dead, she may not necessarily come back as quite the same person. Yeah, that’s going to be an issue for the family to deal with!’ (TVLine article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Quentin finding out that Sara is alive again, MG: "Well, he’s definitely going to find out, because the one thing that our characters do do, is they make a lot of mistakes, but they learn from the mistakes, and Laurel is not going to make the same mistake twice, of not telling Lance what’s going on." (GATV article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Thea Queen AKA Speedy
-- Thea will have a new love interest in the form of Alex Davis (played by Parker Young in a recurring role), who is a clever, ambitious young man who begins working for Oliver.  (TV Guide article, page 19 of Spoilers thread; ETonline article, page 565 of Spoiler Discussion thread; and TVAfterDark article, page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- On how we'll see the long-term effects for Thea coming back from the dead, MG: "We're really getting into that in the first half of the year. We're going to face it head on, and you're going to see it very directly. And it's become an important story point as we move forward. And then the explanation of why we haven't seen anything since 3.20 until Season Four will also be explained." Also, having a new love interest (Alex Davis) "complicates things a great deal." (ComicBookResources article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Comparing Thea's journey out of the Lazarus Pit with the White Canary's, MG: "There will be some similarities because they have some very obvious parallels. They were both in the Pit, so they're going to be dealing with similar consequences. At the same time, one was dead and the other one wasn't. So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but there's definitely some points of comparison the two of them will have." (ComicBookResources article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- WM: "This year, we’ve already hinted that [Thea's] going to have some side effects from the Lazarus Pit, so she’s going to be grappling with that. And a little bit like in Season 1 with Oliver, she’s going to be dealing with this whole question of, how do I have a double life and what is that like? It will take her to some surprising places, emotionally." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Malcolm Merlyn AKA Dark Archer/The Magician/Ra's al Ghul
-- WM: "That is the million dollar question for all of the Malcolm stuff. Does he keep his promise at the end of Season 3 to Oliver, or does he come back and jack things up? What we like about him and what we are really excited about is that he’s gotten what he wanted. He wanted to be Ra’s. He really wanted that ring and that power. He went back and forth, in terms of being allied with the team and not allied with the team, in Season 3. He was obviously playing a longer game, at that point, but he’s won that game. So, I think we’re going to see a little bit more of that Season 1 Malcolm, which was ruthless and more cunning and definitely more out for himself." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Malcolm and DD, WM: "He has knowledge of Damien from the League, that some of our team members are not going to have. He’ll help them, in that way, but by the same token, it feels like he could ally with Damien or he could ally with the team. He is able to play both sides, and it will be interesting to see what he has in store. We’re not sure. We feel like we have a lot of options on the table." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

(to be continued)

Edited August 24, 2015 by tv echo

[tv echo]

ADDENDUM #1 TO SUMMARY OF S4 SPOILERS (cont'd)

 

Damien Darhk
-- On DD, WM: "He is definitely a super bad-ass, scary guy. We really were excited that we got Neal [McDonough]. We’ve had Malcolm and we’ve had Slade. If you start to break it down, they’re the villains, but they’re the heroes of their own story and you understand why they’re doing what they’re doing. Damien doesn’t have that. Damien is just pure evil. We wanted to explore that. We’ve never really done a sociopath on the show, and that’s what we’re exploring this year. That’s why we’re introducing him so fast and early in the season." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Curtis Holt AKA Mr. Terrific
-- WM: "Mr. Terrific, or Curtis Holt, is coming, and will be played by Echo Kellum. He’s just a genius. I don’t think we’ll see him morph into Mr. Terrific this season, but he’s somebody who brings a different tone and element, more in keeping with the lightness that we’re bringing into this season. He also is one of our only other LGBT characters, and we’re excited to have that on the show to explore those things, particularly through the prism of that character and with his relationship to Felicity and the team." (Collider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- MG: "It’s very reductive to call him “the male Felicity,” but he has that kind of quality... I think, to me, the real revelation of Echo’s performance is he’s another smart guy working at Palmer Tech. It would be very easy for him to come off like a knock-off Ray Palmer, but he doesn’t. He’s his own guy; his own character, and that, to me, is the part that’s really exciting." (GATV article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Lonnie Machin AKA Anarky
-- Per MG, regarding how they're tweaking Anarky, they "wanted to see the evolution of a bad guy, the evolution of a villain... This is a little bit more of an origin story, and that's why we have Alex [Calvert] booked for multiple episodes, because we're going to see the evolution. When you first see Anarky in episode 4.02, Anarky is not Anarky. He's Lonnie Machlin from the comics. And you'll see the events that will lead him to become Anarky. We wanted to really play out that origin story." (ComicBookResources article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Liza Warner
-- Rutina Wesley will be featured in a multi-episode arc. (TV Guide article, page 19 of Spoilers thread; TheWrap article, page 565 of Spoiler Discussion thread; and TVAfterDark article, page 71 of Starling City Times thread)
-- Rutina Wesley will play Liza Warner (AKA Lady Cop in the comics), who will be a member of the anti-vigilante task force. (EW article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Rutina Wesley's character, Liza Warner, will not be called Lady Cop on the show.  She'll just be a female cop. (ComicBookResources article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

Misc. Spoilers
-- Quentin now has a "Star City Metro Police" badge, confirming city's name change from Starling City to Star City. (PB tweet, page 574 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- Per MG, the show will address why the Lazarus Pit won't be used to resurrect Tommy and Moira. (2 MG tumblr posts, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per MG, they want the flashbacks to tie into the present day in a different way than they typically have in the past (where someone from the flashback shows up in the present day).  They're going to try to create a different kind of connection between flashback and present day story. (ComicBookResources article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per WM, they will not depict sexual violence on the show. "We don't do sexual violence, and that's always been part of culture of show before I came on,... Ultimately it's been done so much, you can see it on almost any procedural on TV, and it's not that interesting at the end of the day. Let's try to challenge ourselves and do something in a way that doesn't glorify that. And that's the kind of challenge we present ourselves whenever the conversation goes that way. That's when we try to steer it back." (LA Times article, page 71 of Starling City Times thread)

 

Crossovers with Flash/LoT/Supergirl
-- Per MG, it's inaccurate to say that the first 7 episodes of Arrow will set up LoT.  "The first 7 episodes are very much Arrow-centric. But we will return Palmer and Sara to the fold so they can be 'available' for Legends." (MG tumblr post, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- Per AK, both Arrow and Flash are helping to set up the prequel journeys for the LoT characters. "Both Arrow and Flash are helping to set those things up, in both big ways and small ways, which is lovely... The mystery of what happened with Palmer (Brandon Routh) is playing out on Arrow. Sara Lance (Caity Lotz) will also be playing out in the first seven episodes. The Flash, we obviously have Firestorm and Martin Stein (Victor Garber) and Ronnie Raymond (Robbie Amell). And Kendra Saunders (Ciara Renee) lives in Central City in the Flash finale. Getting to know her. There's going to be a lot happening leading up to the crossover, which is serving as a [quasi] pilot for Legends." (Hollywood Reporter article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)
-- "Supergirl" won't have crossovers with "Arrow" and "The Flash" on the CW, but the shows will cross-promote one another. (St. Louis Today and TVLine articles, page 71 of the Starling City Times thread)

 

(the end)

Edited August 20, 2015 by tv echo

[Starfish35]

thanks TV Echo!

Regarding the first non-Oliver flashback being in 408, and MG saying that's because they didn't want to interrupt the flow of the story in the flashbacks, I think it's probably safe to say that it means we aren't going to be seeing flashbacks to Oliver and Felicity's time away, at least not in the first half of the season. There was some mention of that during the discussion about Charlotte Ross coming back.

[tv echo]

:)

 

Question: Would flashbacks to Oliver & Felicity's time away be considered a non-Oliver flashback or an Oliver flashback?

[Chaser]

They reference Holt's relationship to Felicity and Team Arrow. We know that Echo has filmed with EBR, DR and SA. It doesn't sound like he is going to be separating Felicity from the other characters. I'm relieved.

 

If EP.6 is Felicity centric, I'm actually glad there wouldn't be flashbacks. I'm more interested in where the character is going (and her father - which I don't think can be featured heavily enough in flashbacks given her age when he left). 

[Starfish35]

Question: Would flashbacks to Oliver & Felicity's time away be considered a non-Oliver flashback or an Oliver flashback?

I think it would be considered a non-Oliver flashback, because IIRC the context of the statement was that MG felt that part of the reason the Hong Kong flashbacks didn't work as well as they would have liked is that they cut away from them too early - they broke up the flow of the story (FWIW, I don't really buy that, but that's what the man said). So I took that to mean that we were only going to get pre-S1 Oliver flashbacks until 408, wherever he is, be that Coast City, Russia, whatever.

ETA: I think the whole "Oliver flashback/non-Oliver flashback" is misleading a bit, because they're still trying to be coy about where the flashbacks are going to be this year, and so they can't exactly say "Russia flashbacks" (for example) instead of "Oliver flashbacks".

Edited August 20, 2015 by Starfish35

[frenchtoast]

Folks, a quick reminder--this is a spoiler discussion topic, please try to keep it about the spoilers and not song lyrics or other shows.

 

Also, when you start questioning other people and their likes/dislikes or hopes/fears, it starts getting into dick territory. There is a difference between, "I like Felicity" and "You're crazy to not like Felicity". It's ok to say, "I don't see it that way." It's not ok to say, "Why do people insist on seeing it like that?" Posters are not required to validate or justify their opinions or feelings about spoilers or this show. All opinions are welcome here, even ones that may disagree with what you feel.

 

We've had to hide a whole bunch of posts that were either off topic or argumentative, snide or dickish to other posters. We will also hide/delete future posts that are off topic and/or dickish to other posters. Please make it about spoilers and not other poster's opinions. 

[BkWurm1]

Looking at the lyrics for "The Great Suburban Showdown" which would be for Beyond Redemption...

[italics]Drive into town

When this big bird touches down

I'm only comin' home to say goodbye

Then I'm gone with the wind

And I won't be seen again

Till that great suburban showdown in the sky[/italics]

This end section makes me wonder if Roy might be coming back to town. The whole song is about coming back home and looking around and seeing that nothing's changed but that you've changed and you can't go home again.

[kismet]

thanks TV Echo!

Regarding the first non-Oliver flashback being in 408, and MG saying that's because they didn't want to interrupt the flow of the story in the flashbacks, I think it's probably safe to say that it means we aren't going to be seeing flashbacks to Oliver and Felicity's time away, at least not in the first half of the season. There was some mention of that during the discussion about Charlotte Ross coming back.

 

I feel like 408 will be someone heading to LoT's flashbacks. My guess is SL. They have mentioned in multiple interviews that they have always wanted to tell her LOA origins. This episode will be the perfect opportunity. I also have a desire to see it over anyone elses (besides Oliver). She has 5 yrs of going from party girl to conflicted assassin. That deserves some FB narrative. Plus her journey started because of OQ & the Gambit, so it links back to the origin of ARROW - so it would be a nice send-off when we lose her to the other show.

:)

 

Question: Would flashbacks to Oliver & Felicity's time away be considered a non-Oliver flashback or an Oliver flashback?

Tricky way with words. I think anything that takes place in a calendar year would not be considered a flashback. If they need to bring in the WIGS then it becomes a flashback. I think O&F road trip is too soon to be a flashback. I also don't think they would bring CR back just for those FB. If she's back its gonna be something with the bigger plot like FS father not just a recap of summer funtimes.

 

Sidenote - I think FS's gambling skills are going to be what helped fund the new Bunker or at least the road trip. I can see them referencing running out of money & FS getting lucky at the casino to keep them afloat.

[BkWurm1]

I feel like 408 will be someone heading to LoT's flashbacks. My guess is SL. They have mentioned in multiple interviews that they have always wanted to tell her LOA origins. This episode will be the perfect opportunity. I also have a desire to see it over anyone elses (besides Oliver). She has 5 yrs of going from party girl to conflicted assassin. That deserves some FB narrative. Plus her journey started because of OQ & the Gambit, so it links back to the origin of ARROW - so it would be a nice send-off when we lose her to the other show.

I wonder if the flashbacks might more belong to explaining Vandal Savage's role in these thing. The other option which could tie into VS flashbacks would be Hawkman. He's supposed to be on both Arrow and The Flash before LoT. I'm thinking that means the crossover episodes. He has knowledge of his past lives so they could use him to tie us to VS's origin story.

[dtissagirl]

I had forgotten Hawkman is showing up early too. Flashbacks to actual past lives is the grand slam of flashbacks, isn't it?

[quarks]

Ooooh, that means my long expressed and completely without foundation whacky theory that Felicity's father is Carter Hall is back on the table!

 

(ok, technically, that doesn't actually mean that, but I don't want to let facts get in my way here.)

[kismet]

I wonder if the flashbacks might more belong to explaining Vandal Savage's role in these thing. The other option which could tie into VS flashbacks would be Hawkman. He's supposed to be on both Arrow and The Flash before LoT. I'm thinking that means the crossover episodes. He has knowledge of his past lives so they could use him to tie us to VS's origin story.

Good speculation... I would not be opposed to Vandal Savage because he is the big bad of LoT. But I still would prefer the FB be focused on a character that actually has ties to the Arrow story like Sara or anyone of the main/supporting cast. I also wonder if it might be DD or Anarky. Perhaps they will do a villain FB this season.

 

I think Hawkman has not earned a spot on Arrow to get flashbacks. I know they need to introduce him to audiences, so bringing him in the present day is fine with me. Or even if he was part of the FB like Maseo (but not the subject of them) I would not mind. But they shouldn't just give this new guy who is not even a permanent character, or ever was a floating character his own flashbacks. Frankly, I'd rather see Ray-centric FB before I see his, and I would rather watch paint dry than watch those FBs on ARROW. But at least RP has contributed to ARROW for at least 1 season, so he's done some time to earn FB, even if I hope they save those for LoT.

[dtissagirl]

Not that I know if this is what the 408 flashbacks are gonna be, but I think specifically for Hawkman and Hawkgirl, flashbacks are less about whether they deserve that kind of spotlight, and more about their premise as characters depends on flashbacks. Especially Hawkman, who remembers his past lives. So either he stands there and monologues about them, or they show the audience that these folks lived multiple lives via flashback format. They depend on flashbacks for storytelling in a way that nobody else does.

[kismet]

Not that I know if this is what the 408 flashbacks are gonna be, but I think specifically for Hawkman and Hawkgirl, flashbacks are less about whether they deserve that kind of spotlight, and more about their premise as characters depends on flashbacks. Especially Hawkman, who remembers his past lives. So either he stands there and monologues about them, or they show the audience that these folks lived multiple lives via flashback format. They depend on flashbacks for storytelling in a way that nobody else does.

Good point... but that's why they have their own show. Leave that story telling arc for them there. I just don't want them to usurp the flashbacks too, so they can set-up the LoT. Like I said, I don't mind if they are hanging out in the FB or PD. I just don't want a whole episode devoted to their FB when they are getting their own show and have no connection to ARROW. And even if they make a connection this season, it still is only a few eps old - that's coincidence not connection.

 

Anyway, my gut tells me that Hawkman & Hawkgirl will be handled in FLASH. At most what I could see them doing is having Hawkman be someone on Arrow under an alias & then in the big crossover finale they see each other in like that last few min, recognize each other and then the fall out is dealt with in LoT.

[tv echo]

MG has given several hints about Oliver's familiarity with magic in the past, first when talking about Vixen and then when talking about the Constantine episode...

-- MG: "The thing that's most fun about Arrow and Vixen is - [Oliver's] there with Barry Allen, the Flash.  And usually it's Oliver who's going 'I don't believe in metas, this doesn't make any sense' and Barry's like 'well, it's science, I totally get it.' The dynamic is switched because Vixen's [powers] are magic-based, they're mythical. So that's something Oliver understands. That's something Oliver buys into. And it's the thing that Barry as a scientist can't wrap his head around. So their normal dynamic in dealing with someone with powers is completely flipped, and that's a lot of fun." (TV Overmind video of media interview with SA at SDCC 2015, page 68 of Starling City TImes thread)

-- On TA's reaction to Constantine and the supernatural, MG: "If you go back and rewatch Season 3, [Oliver] refers to having some experience with the mystical. Oliver knows that the world is a larger place than most people think. So the team will have one reaction, but Oliver will have more of an experienced reaction." (TVInsider article, page 19 of Spoilers thread)

 

So I think the 5th episode will include an Oliver flashback showing his past exposure to magic and mysticism. Also, I wonder how different the team's reaction will be from Oliver's more experienced reaction.  Will they be like Barry, skeptical and needing proof?  Felicity especially is supposed to be like Barry, so will she be the most skeptical?  On the other hand, having accepted the idea of metahumans like The Flash and having Thea come back from almost dying via the LP, how skeptical can they be?  Yet Barry can accept metahumans but has trouble with magic. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

I don't know why but I think if there is a non-Oliver flashback in 408 it would be related to Rip Hunter.  It just seems like the perfect opportunity to set up why Hunter is time traveling to find heroes/LoT and who Vandal Savege is/was/will be etc.  

[statsgirl]

Arthur C. Clarke's third law:

 

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Barry as a scientist so he knows that tiny tiny little beams can let us store incredible amounts of information or speak over thousands of miles.  Maybe he's figured out a way to scientifically explain what the metahumans can do.

 

Techno-behind Oliver probably that thinks what Felicity does is magic.  So if he can accept those miracles, it's a smaller leap to whatever magic they will have on the show.

 

Personally, while I can accept a nearly-dead Thea saved by the Lazarus Pit, I want a better explanation for Sara than her year-dead moldering body is brought back to life in it.

[dtissagirl]

From the episode descriptions via 4chan posted at Spoilers Only [thanks, @Traveller!], one thing looks legit: actress Tiera Skovbye seems to have filmed episode 402. She posted a selfie from her trailer on the Arrow set, three weeks ago: https://instagram.com/p/5vRFRproHz/

 

IMDb and the episode description are both listing her as Jeri Ryan's character's daughter, btw.

[SmallScreenDiva]

Putting these tweets of director Lexi Alexander here just in case they are spoilerish (I think they could be):

 

 

So Lexi Alexander ("Punisher") who is directing 4x04 (that's what they're shooting now, right?) tweeted these. It's the one about diving off rooftops almost naked that caught my attention because it reminded me of Sara's "resurrection" clip from the Lazarus Pit. She returns and immediately bolts, still naked-ish from dip in the pool. She's all "wrong" and John Constantine agrees to help. Maybe?

[apinknightmare]

Lexi Alexander isn't directing the ep that's filming right now. Per the script title page, someone named John Badham is. I think she's directing the actual 4th ep, the one that's shooting next. She's probably doing prep work?

Edited August 22, 2015 by apinknightmare

[Morrigan2575]

The 4chan stuff sounds like massive bullshit, not spoilers at all. Just someone trying to piece together what is out there onto episode descriptions.

[dtissagirl]

They kept the directors' dates, because this stuff is booked months in advance, and switched the episodes around. Lexi Alexander was always gonna be the fifth director of the season, but now she's gonna direct the episode that's airing as the 4th episode.

 

 

 

ETA:

 

Estimated air date - production number - episode name - director

 

Oct 07 - 401 - Green Arrow - Thor Freudenthal

Oct 14 - 402 - The Candidate - John Behring

Oct 21 - 403 - Restoration - Wendy Stanzler

Oct 28 - 405 - Beyond Redemption - Lexi Alexander

Nov 04 - 404 - Haunted - John Badham

Edited August 22, 2015 by dtissagirl

[SleepDeprived]

I haven't been around much and am trying to catch up on the spoilers/all the many posts now (so much thanks to tv echo for consolidating everything and posting a great summary of the spoilers that have been released so far) so I'm sorry if this is a rehash of a previous discussion but I just saw in the Slings and Arrows thread that MG posted a pic of him/someone cutting the promo for S4 and... Is that Palmer in front of the US flag on the new city/county limits signage of Star City?

 

I understand that it was his idea to change the name of the city to rebrand Starling to Star in a bid to distract people that it's totally not that place that gets a doomsday event every May. And, okay, Palmer was rich, super nice, practically perfect, and close buds with the city council/police department that he got to be in press briefings and official meetings but to have his face right next to the city's new name is a bit much, noh? So, news of his apparent demise in the PT explosion could've maybe prompted the rebranding but what has Palmer really done that the city would pay homage to him in such a way that his mug is the first thing that people driving into 'new' Star City would see? There couldn't have been a news release that Palmer/his tech helped save the city from the Alpha/Omega virus because that would tie him/the company to vigilante activities.

 

Then again, I do have questionable eyesight so that could be the new mayor/any random elected official/citizen on the city sign and I apologize for this premature ranting. Consider me very annoyed, though, if it turns out that it is, indeed, Ray Palmer there. So ridiculous.

[Starfish35]

It looks like it certainly could be Ray, but I can't tell for sure. I tried to blow up the pic to get a better look, but the resolution's not good enough.

I speculated back when we heard about the name change that they might do it to honor Ray after his (apparent) demise, basically because I couldn't think of any other reason to do it other than because comics. But you're right - putting his face on the billboard seems like going a bit far.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Starfish35

[tarotx]

Ray probably paid for it last year and they finally approved the rebranding the City Star initiative. I mean Ray had to have put money on the table to be including in city business last season.

Plus Ray "died" but it wasn't until after saving the city with his bio Nana tech. So he's probably considered a city hero. His "death" would have just taken that sentiment over the top.

[kismet]

I'll be so pissed if its done in honor of or homage to Ray. I really wish they would stop trying to make him so important to arrow or starling/star city.

Now if bought the new name before his presumed death and it just took that long to make it s formality. I'm fine with that. Because it's completely like his character to buy what he wants.

Frankly I don't really need an in show reason. I think its dumb. And we all know the out of show reason for better or for worse is fanservice.

Edited August 22, 2015 by kismet

[tarotx]

I think it's believable that a city would honor a city hero. Ray just saved the city. Team Arrow won't get any praise but a leading company would. And then with the company's CEO's death a short time after, that praise would be magnified.

And 3 seasons of hell would leave the city looking to regroup. Pushing though city hero Ray Palmer's initiative to rename the city seems plausible to me.

Sure fan service but one that's plausibly realistic imo. Yes in real life they would re name city hall, the airport and a couple schools after Ray but a city looking to attract tourism and regroup after 3 years of "must be May" would try different things. And the Arrow powers that be set up the city's rebranding being able to be in honor of Ray last season.

[Starfish35]

Honestly, I'd rather have an in-show reason. I got irritated last season when things were just dropped in for no reason other than comics, such as Black Canary suddenly becoming a recognized name overnight with no explanation, and the Canary Cry appearing out of nowhere (if you didn't watch The Flash). I'm not very happy about the name change, but I would get very irritated if suddenly after three years Starling City was now Star City, with no explanation whatsoever.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Starfish35

[Morrigan2575]

First glance I thought it was Oliver and confirmed that Oliver was running for mayor. Most people say it's Ray which would mean they changed Starling City to Star City in his honor, which makes sense.

I'm happier with it being Ray...I just don't like the idea of Oliver becoming Mayor in S4 because it hasn't really been set up. I think it would be better having Oliver get involved with supporting politics in S4 then have a mayoral run/storyline in S5 or 6.

[Chaser]

Per public knowledge: Playboy, cop-car-peeing, mutiple colloge dropout Oliver Queen goes down at sea while on a tryst with his girlfriends sister and is declared dead. Returns five years later. Still a partying, playboy who would rather open a nightclub than work for the family company. Oliver disappears for five months after his mother's involvment in the Undertaking which killed 503 people. He becomes CEO of a failing Company. Pays so little attention he loses company. Tries and fails to get company back. After he loses company he does what? Nothing as far as they know. Oh wait..he does get accused of being a vigilante. Oh and his sister is living off of the money left to her by Malcolm Merlyn...a terrorist (should be public record).

 

Oliver Queen as Mayor needs a lot of groundwork. I think they need to show him getting his foot into politics and maybe working at Palmer Tech in some compacity.

[lemotomato]

I don't know... this is the same show that had Moira running for mayor right after being acquitted of killing 503 people.

[dtissagirl]

I don't know... this is the same show that had Moira running for mayor right after being acquitted of killing 503 people.

 

Yeah, Oliver is not really a viable candidate for anything... but the previous election was Moira vs. a creepy cult leader called BLOOD, so.

 

I have a feeling he's gonna get suckered into it after something happens to Jeri Ryan's character. Maybe she dies? Or maybe she steps off the campaign [the thing about protecting her daughter], and convinces Oliver he should run in her place instead?

Edited August 22, 2015 by dtissagirl

[Starfish35]

I liked the way Laura Hurley put it (she's not in favor).

http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/127179459616/hi-laura-maybe-its-because-of-all-the-olicity

(Thanks, tv echo, for posting the link in the News and Media thread!).

The only thing I would add, for me personally (and she touches on this, but I wanted to expand on it a little), is that I have no interest whatsoever in watching Oliver juggle being Green Arrow and the mayor. I get that other people might find that interesting/entertaining, but it's just not for me. With all the stupid decisions Oliver made last season, I really need to see him be a little smarter this season, and it's not going to help him in my eyes watching him be a terrible mayor because he has to constantly prioritize his vigilante work over his mayoral duties. I don't want to watch him show up late for meetings (or miss them entirely) or have to walk out of important meetings, or have to brush people off that he should be talking to because he doesn't have time.....none of that kind of thing is appealing to me. The show obviously is not going to have him stop being Green Arrow, and so while I would like to see him more back in the public eye as Oliver Queen, I hope that the writers will not try to give him such a high profile job.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Starfish35

[statsgirl]

The city leaders asked Moira to run for mayor, I presume because they didn't like the other candidates. The scary thing is that she was winning when she died.  (Although not as scary as Rob Ford actually winning in Toronto.)

 

I don't like the idea of changing the name to Star City at all partly because I think Starling is a better name and partly because after 3 years I'm used to it now, but I like even less the idea that they did it because of Ray, who lived there for less than a year and who did one small (compared to the Hood/Arrow in previous years) thing.  I also have a thing against naming places after rich people just because they have the money to pay for the building.  In Europe they name streets and buildings after writers and artists, doesn't Starling City have anyone they want to honor?

Edited August 22, 2015 by statsgirl

[dtissagirl]

I wonder if the story is the election run, rather than Oliver actually being in office? And then he could always actually lose the election.

[wonderwall]

Okay. We live in a society where Donald Trump has an actual chance of winning the presidential race... I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities for Oliver Queen to get elected for Mayor. 

Edited August 22, 2015 by wonderwall

[statsgirl]

They would have to write an arc about who he was running against though.

 

DD?

[Starfish35]

Oliver running and losing would be preferable to him actually being mayor. I can't say I'd be thrilled - I'd rather Jeri Ryan just stick around. :) But I'd take that over him actually being in office.

It's not whether it's out of the realm of possibility. It's whether I want to see it or not. Personally, I don't. YMMV.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Starfish35

[Chaser]

If they are working out of a temp lair at the start of S4, then I'm assuming Felicity does have a big part in the new lair's design. It makes the most sense to me.

[Smoaking Reporter]

If they are working out of a temp lair at the start of S4, then I'm assuming Felicity does have a big part in the new lair's design. It makes the most sense to me.

Yea I think so too. Maybe it has something to do with the bigger role she takes on this season along with being CEO of PT. I also hope her bigger role includes other things as well but yeah it's the only thing that makes sense. I don't think anybody else has the money/resources she does.

Edited August 22, 2015 by SmoakingLove

[kismet]

I liked the way Laura Hurley put it (she's not in favor). http://laurawritesabout.tumblr.com/post/127179459616/hi-laura-maybe-its-because-of-all-the-olicity

(Thanks, tv echo, for posting the link in the News and Media thread!).

The only thing I would add, for me personally (and she touches on this, but I wanted to expand on it a little), is that I have no interest whatsoever in watching Oliver juggle being Green Arrow and the mayor. I get that other people might find that interesting/entertaining, but it's just not for me. With all the stupid decisions Oliver made last season, I really need to see him be a little smarter this season, and it's not going to help him in my eyes watching him be a terrible mayor because he has to constantly prioritize his vigilante work over his mayoral duties. I don't want to watch him show up late for meetings (or miss them entirely) or have to walk out of important meetings, or have to brush people off that he should be talking to because he doesn't have time.....none of that kind of thing is appealing to me. The show obviously is not going to have him stop being Green Arrow, and so while I would like to see him more back in the public eye as Oliver Queen, I hope that the writers will not try to give him such a high profile job.

I said something similar in the article thread. Frankly I just don't want to see these writers write whole season of mayor plots/stories. It takes a certain skill to write political drama/comedy well. The writers have not shown this skill set. If they want to do it for cuz comic purposes then it should be done at the least cost to the show. There are so many other ways to show OQ bonding with his city. Edited August 22, 2015 by kismet

[foreverevolving]

Okay. We live in a society where Donald Trump has an actual chance of winning the presidential race... I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities for Oliver Queen to get elected for Mayor. 

The only people who think Trump has an actual chance of getting the GOP nomination and than winning are those who support trump.. about 5% of the population. for the other 95% of US citizens* and those of us who follow USA politics he is a total joke.

 

*ETA: I should have originally written it this way, because while I live in the US i'm not a citizen so I can't actually (sadly) vote.

Edited August 22, 2015 by foreverevolving

[AyChihuahua]

With all the stupid decisions Oliver made last season, I really need to see him be a little smarter this season, and it's not going to help him in my eyes watching him be a terrible mayor because he has to constantly prioritize his vigilante work over his mayoral duties.

I was pretty neutral on him running for/becoming mayor, but this is a good point. Also, in general I am so frigging with you on needing him not to be stupid anymore. I think I'd prefer he gets involved somewhat this season (which isn't crazy, he was supporting Blood in S2 and then his mother, so he's dipped his toe in as political support already) and actually run later, maybe.

Most importantly, please let them stop with the stupid.

[wonderwall]

The only people who think Trump has an actual chance of getting the GOP nomination and than winning are those who support trump.. about 5% of the population. for the other 95% of US citizens* and those of us who follow USA politics he is a total joke.

 

*ETA: I should have originally written it this way, because while I live in the US i'm not a citizen so I can't actually (sadly) vote.

I even think that 5% is way too much for this guy -_- I don't understand people sometimes....