bijoux March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, jay741982 said: Hot steamy reconciliation sexy times with Felicity? On his Birthday? I actually thought it could be FB Oliver wishing a happy birthday to his lonesome, but I could be persuaded on this. ? 1 Link to comment
LeighAn March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Someone on Twitter had a good idea about Olivers birthday- that maybe it's part of the 5x20 flashbacks. It makes sense to me actually. Felucity organising a cake or present for Oliver. Them having a bonding sentimental moment and that leading to them having sex. 4 Link to comment
Mellowyellow March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Trisha said: Do people really want her back though? I admit I rarely stray to Reddit but it seems like even those guys are cool with her being gone because they like the new BC. Narratively it makes no sense to keep mentioning how they want Dinah to take up the BC mantle if they are not going to follow through, so that leaves KC playing BS, which fits for one offs but not really all the time because Arrow isn't about the meta life. Unless there is some major bts negotiation stuff going on, I just can't see it. This intrigues me. A lot of people claim that she was fired. Whether that's true or not they did chose to kill her instead of Thea, Diggle, Felicity etc So she can't be that beloved. So why would they be clamouring to hire her again unless she's suing their pants off. OMG can she sue her way back to LI????? Link to comment
Chaser March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 I don't think the announcement is KC back in a full time capacity for S6. They wouldn't announce anything like that till after the season is up. IF it is true, there is not narrative or financial reason to support. It negates a hell of a lot of this season and past ones. There is no massive fan support to reference. They can't contribute the ratings fall to her. IF this is true, it's BTS shadiness. 10 Link to comment
Mellowyellow March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: Production office is in Vancouver. Is this where they film? Sorry I'm still a numpty hence all the very obvious questions! 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Mellowyellow said: This intrigues me. A lot of people claim that she was fired. Whether that's true or not they did chose to kill her instead of Thea, Diggle, Felicity etc So she can't be that beloved. So why would they be clamouring to hire her again unless she's suing their pants off. OMG can she sue her way back to LI????? Are you serious? Just now, Mellowyellow said: Is this where they film? Sorry I'm still a numpty hence all the very obvious questions! Yes all DCTV shows airing on the CW film in Vancouver. Link to comment
bijoux March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Just now, Mellowyellow said: Is this where they film? Sorry I'm still a numpty hence all the very obvious questions! Yes. The production office handles the day to day operations, they have nothing to do with contracts or negotiations. 1 Link to comment
Mellowyellow March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Just now, Velocity23 said: Are you serious? Yes I'm genuinely wondering if she is suing them. Wasn't she hired as the lead LI? Link to comment
Velocity23 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Just now, Mellowyellow said: Yes I'm genuinely wondering if she is suing them. Wasn't she hired as the lead LI? I would guess her initial contract is no longer valid. And she lost that title a few seasons ago. Link to comment
SmallScreenDiva March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 LOL, in the past, I would have rolled my eyes at KC coming back. But having heard some of the BTS stupidity that goes into some decisions on Arrow? Especially with regards to the Black Canary IP? I can't say it's impossible anymore. Does it make sense? Absolutely not. 2 Link to comment
Mellowyellow March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: I would guess her initial contract is no longer valid. And she lost that title a few seasons ago. Well she keeps coming back to Arrow and won't move onto another series like everyone else! You can't blame a girl for thinking she's suing them for her old position again! Link to comment
LeighAn March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Honestly even the writing for Black Siren in 5x10 was passive agressive there's no way they are eager to have her back. 6 Link to comment
Velocity23 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: Well she keeps coming back to Arrow and won't move onto another series like everyone else! You can't blame a girl for thinking she's suing them for her old position again! Maybe she cannot get work. Its not like she has a stellar reputation from the other shows she was on. Also once she signed the contract for this season the previous has no longer any impact. I would guess. Its not like she didnt try her thing with the removal of rights to her image during s4 hiatus. Edited March 25, 2017 by Velocity23 3 Link to comment
LeighAn March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 What grounds would she have to sue on anyway? Killing a character on a tv show is hardly a litigation worthy offence or other wise the Lost and Game of Thrones producers would constantly be in court. She still gets guest spots on two shows. 1 Link to comment
Trisha March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 30 minutes ago, Chaser said: IF it is true, there is not narrative or financial reason to support. It negates a hell of a lot of this season and past ones. There is no massive fan support to reference. They can't contribute the ratings fall to her. IF this is true, it's BTS shadiness. Exactly. The 'catering to fanboys' reasons no longer apply either, since they've done that all season and ratings/buzz cratered. If this does happen, there's got to be an insane reason that has nothing to do with what the showrunners want. Link to comment
Sunshine March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Regular for Arrow or regular across all shows? Link to comment
tv echo March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 What's also funny is that SA repeatedly said last summer that Oliver's most important relationship is with Star City. Yet, this season, the city hasn't even been an issue with regards to Prometheus or ever threatened by him. And It's looking like Oliver is going to be saved by his personal relationships. Plus, the climactic finale won't involve the city at all. 13 Link to comment
LeighAn March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Sunshine said: Regular for Arrow or regular across all shows? It's unsubstantiated. It's something someone claims Canada graphs said to them in dm that he also claims he has heard but hasn't been substantiate/confirm with his inside sources. So who knows in what capacity this is accurate. Honestly I feel like Canadagraphs would make a not so cryptic tweet if he learnt info- like he did with the "Olishitty" 5x20 spoilers when we all knew it meant that we were getting something good. Link to comment
Primal Slayer March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Lol gotta love it. I don't think it will have anything to do with KC. But is fun to see the speculation. Link to comment
LeighAn March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Confirmation that 5x20 all Olivers scenes are with Felicity. Hopefully we get more good Tibits out of the con. https://mobile.twitter.com/amellxwood/status/845652251557449728 1 Link to comment
bethy March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 If they bring KC back next season, they better go all in with Olicity. Because I just can't even with this show otherwise. 11 Link to comment
Midnight Lullaby March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeighAn said: Someone on Twitter had a good idea about Olivers birthday- that maybe it's part of the 5x20 flashbacks. It makes sense to me actually. Felucity organising a cake or present for Oliver. Them having a bonding sentimental moment and that leading to them having sex. When is Oliver's birthday? In the summer? I can't remember.. ------- If they bring back KC I want to know what mess went on BTS after they not so subtly replaced her, LOL. Edited March 25, 2017 by Midnight Lullaby Link to comment
strikera0 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) As I said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they bring back KC as a series regular next season. Yeah, they may have Dinah now but they are doing sht all with her character. In fact, she almost seems like a BC filler to me - similar to how Susan and Billy were used as plot device love interests to kill some time this year. Thus, I could see them pull one last BC switcheroo in this year's season finale and claim that it was always supposed to happen this way - not recognizing that it's horrible writing like this that has completely destroyed the audience's trust in their show and contributed to the ongoing viewer exodus. Edited March 25, 2017 by strikera0 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, strikera0 said: As I said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they bring back KC as a series regular next season. Yeah, they may have Dinah now but they are doing sht all with her character. In fact, she almost seems like a BC filler to me - similar to how Susan and Billy were used as plot device love interests to kill some time this year. Thus, I could see them pull one last BC switcheroo in this year's season finale and claim that it was always supposed to happen this way - not recognizing that it's horrible writing like this that has completely destroyed the audience's trust in their show and contributed to the ongoing viewer exodus. She is doing the same things KC did in the role. 5 Link to comment
bijoux March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said: When is Oliver's birthday? In the summer? I can't remember.. ------- May 16, unless they decide to change it. 1 Link to comment
strikera0 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: She is doing the same things KC did in the role. LOL, IMO she's doing even less. As bad as the writing was for Laurel, even she got more development before she got forced into the costume and she did get to contribute in group fight scenes. Dinah doesn't even get to do that! I haven't seen her in a proper one-on-one combat scene since she has joined the team. All she gets to do is use her cry once an episode and deliver some superficial, badass line. It's laughable. Edited March 25, 2017 by strikera0 Link to comment
Midnight Lullaby March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) I don't see any differences between what LL did in season 4 (other than being in court once) and what Dinah is doing now. They shoved her in the same role and gave her a better cry. Also if they bring KC back that doesn't mean they'll give her anything substantial to do. Dinah would have better chances being a new character probably. Edited March 25, 2017 by Midnight Lullaby 7 Link to comment
BunsenBurner March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Maybe Oliver and Felicity invite everyone to a birthday/we're still alive party and it turns out to be their wedding. In the midst of of this all the big bads and other significant people in their lives are discussed and shown. HAHAHA I don't think it will but... 1 Link to comment
Chaser March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 They don't want a BC. At All. That's why Tinah is a non entity, that's why Laurel was a background piece. 5x10 was a fully on shade fest of everything KC/BS/BC/LL by the show. Tinah is a huge statement. She isn't a filler, they gave her the name and the Cry. I can not see them bringing back KC (in any capacity) willingly. They were done. If its happening, some shit went down. 15 Link to comment
Mrs. de Winter March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, strikera0 said: As bad as the writing was for Laurel, even she got more development before she got forced into the costume and she did get to contribute in group fight scenes. Laurel was on the show for four seasons - Dinah has been around for a few episodes. Laurel was also supposedly the female lead and a regular on the show where Dinah is a reoccurring character. I think it is a little apples to oranges to compare them. And at the end of the day both had/have the name Black Canary on the show - which at this point seems to be the only thing that matters as far as the the powers that be go. Link to comment
leopardprint March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) I don't think they would give up an opportunity to have a Black Siren vs Black Canary screech off. (Secret Confession: LL is more interesting to me than DD paint by numbers "badass" women strong as hell character) If Black Siren came back as part of a redemption storyline for Lance, that might be interesting. Did they ever tell Lance about her? Per that new WM, I wonder if Felicity will be the one to kill Chase. Though again, when did Felicity harshly judge the others for putting down bad guys? In S1 she locked Oliver in the lair but other than that? I don't remember her judging Diggle. Also that's pretty irritating that she's not allowed to make their mistakes. ETA: Per Velocity23, Maybe it's about collateral damage? Though that's pretty much in direct conflict with Havenrock so whatever. I still think the GA suit is mothballed for the rest of the season. Edited March 25, 2017 by leopardprint Link to comment
SmallScreenDiva March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chaser said: They don't want a BC. At All. That's why Tinah is a non entity, that's why Laurel was a background piece. 5x10 was a fully on shade fest of everything KC/BS/BC/LL by the show. Tinah is a huge statement. She isn't a filler, they gave her the name and the Cry. I can not see them bringing back KC (in any capacity) willingly. They were done. If its happening, some shit went down. Yup, I'm gonna go with if this is happening, "some shit went down." Somebody had pointed out to me that Tinah was the anti-Laurel (a way to redeem the character after the absolute disaster that was Laurel Lance as BC, is my take). That Tinah's pretty much everything that Laurel wasn't and that the comic fans wanted for their BC: sold as Oliver's "equal" in terms of fighting (though I've yet to see that), a metahuman, seems fairly competent in her job, has a decent backstory and isn't bogged down by a horrendous backstory (that involves the hero of the show cheating on her multiple times with her very own sister, alcoholic and drug issues, etc.) I mean, it still doesn't make Tinah the least bit interesting, IMO. But there you go. Edited March 25, 2017 by SmallScreenDiva 2 Link to comment
leopardprint March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure that's a typo, Sunshine, doesn't mesh with tweet above. Edited March 25, 2017 by leopardprint typos (so meta) Link to comment
Midnight Lullaby March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Just now, Sunshine said: Felicity's going after Helix? She clarified she meant going after Prometheus using Helix. Link to comment
strikera0 March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said: Also if they bring KC back that doesn't mean they'll give her anything substantial to do. Dinah would have better chances being a new character probably. Of course not. It's clear by now that any version of Black Canary will never amount to anything but wallpaper on this show and in the case of Laurel/BS, you would also have to factor in that her face has been plastered all over the city after she died, so the character could never have anything resembling a social life. And yet, I am fully prepared to see them pull yet another senseless BC switcheroo. Goes to show you how little faith I have left in this writing staff and it's higher ups. 1 Link to comment
Trisha March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Could Bam being made a producer be the big Arrow news MG is teasing? God, let's hope. I don't get why MG is trying to deal with leaks over DM. It's intellectual property; lawyers should be all over it. 2 Link to comment
Guest March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) IDK if I like the way they're framing this stuff with Felicity tbh - that it gives her a greater understanding of Oliver (and Diggle), like she hasn't experienced traumatic events the last 4 plus years. I hope it comes across differently on screen. Also, Bamford becoming a producer? I see the dudebro club is alive and well. Edited March 25, 2017 by Guest Link to comment
Sunshine March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 I think Bam as producer is most likely the news. I was wondering if someone was getting promoted but his name didn't come to mind. I was thinking a writer but Bam makes sense to me. They seem to love him. Link to comment
way2interested March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 Producers don't normally get announcements though. Producer credit is usually given to people who have been on production for a long time or someone coming onto the show with new power over the series. If anything, Bam is the former and is just getting a professional bonus from being on the show since day 1. 1 Link to comment
Guest March 25, 2017 Share March 25, 2017 (edited) Also, SA's now mentioning how he bets William will find out GA is his dad sooner than later. Now I'm even more convinced by that interview he did where he mentioned wanting Slade, Black Siren and William/Samantha to return. I think they're all coming back now in some way and he was just kind of hinting at it in that wink nudge way of his. Edited March 25, 2017 by Guest Link to comment
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