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Me for all of last summer hiatus and 5A: Me after reading the WM interview from a few weeks back about Felicity's arc giving her a more profound understanding of Oliver: Me after r

BkWurm1
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I tend to think that trying to make KC a place on the show had a ripple effect that did hurt the show pretty badly.  She's what turned Quentin stupid and into a creepy stalker.  So that wipes off the

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Mellowyellow

Mellowyellow

2 minutes ago, Trisha said:

Do people really want her back though? I admit I rarely stray to Reddit but it seems like even those guys are cool with her being gone because they like the new BC. Narratively it makes no sense to keep mentioning how they want Dinah to take up the BC mantle if they are not going to follow through, so that leaves KC playing BS, which fits for one offs but not really all the time because Arrow isn't about the meta life. Unless there is some major bts negotiation stuff going on, I just can't see it. 

 

This intrigues me. A lot of people claim that she was fired. Whether that's true or not they did chose to kill her instead of Thea, Diggle, Felicity etc

So she can't be that beloved. So why would they be clamouring to hire her again unless she's suing their pants off.

OMG can she sue her way back to LI?????

Chaser

Chaser

I don't think the announcement is KC back in a full time capacity for S6. They wouldn't announce anything like that till after the season is up.

IF it is true, there is not narrative or financial reason to support. It negates a hell of a lot of this season and past ones. There is no massive fan support to reference. They can't contribute the ratings fall to her.

IF this is true, it's BTS shadiness. 

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Velocity23

Velocity23

1 minute ago, Mellowyellow said:

This intrigues me. A lot of people claim that she was fired. Whether that's true or not they did chose to kill her instead of Thea, Diggle, Felicity etc

So she can't be that beloved. So why would they be clamouring to hire her again unless she's suing their pants off.

OMG can she sue her way back to LI?????

Are you serious? 

Just now, Mellowyellow said:

Is this where they film? Sorry I'm still a numpty hence all the very obvious questions!

Yes all DCTV shows  airing on the CW film in Vancouver. 

Velocity23

Velocity23

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4 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Well she keeps coming back to Arrow and won't move onto another series like everyone else! You can't blame a girl for thinking she's suing them for her old position again!

Maybe she cannot get work. Its not like she has a stellar reputation from the other shows she was on. 

Also once she signed the contract for this season the previous has no longer any impact. I would guess. Its not like she didnt try her thing with the removal of rights to her image during s4 hiatus. 

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Trisha

Trisha

30 minutes ago, Chaser said:

IF it is true, there is not narrative or financial reason to support. It negates a hell of a lot of this season and past ones. There is no massive fan support to reference. They can't contribute the ratings fall to her.

IF this is true, it's BTS shadiness. 

Exactly. The 'catering to fanboys' reasons no longer apply either, since they've done that all season and ratings/buzz cratered. If this does happen, there's got to be an insane reason that has nothing to do with what the showrunners want. 

tv echo

tv echo

What's also funny is that SA repeatedly said last summer that Oliver's most important relationship is with Star City. Yet, this season, the city hasn't even been an issue with regards to Prometheus or ever threatened by him. And It's looking like Oliver is going to be saved by his personal relationships. Plus, the climactic finale won't involve the city at all.

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LeighAn

LeighAn

1 minute ago, Sunshine said:

Regular for Arrow or regular across all shows?

It's unsubstantiated. It's something someone claims Canada graphs said to them in dm that he also claims he has heard but hasn't been substantiate/confirm with his inside sources.

So who knows in what capacity this is accurate.

Honestly I feel like Canadagraphs would make a not so cryptic tweet if he learnt info- like he did with the "Olishitty" 5x20 spoilers when we all knew it meant that we were getting something good.

Midnight Lullaby

Midnight Lullaby

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1 hour ago, LeighAn said:

Someone on Twitter had a good idea about Olivers birthday- that maybe it's part of the 5x20 flashbacks. It makes sense to me actually. Felucity organising a cake or present for Oliver. Them having a bonding sentimental moment and that leading to them having sex.

When is Oliver's birthday? In the summer? I can't remember..

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If they bring back KC I want to know what mess went on BTS after they not so subtly replaced her, LOL.

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strikera0

strikera0

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As I said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they bring back KC as a series regular next season. Yeah, they may have Dinah now but they are doing sht all with her character. In fact, she almost seems like a BC filler to me - similar to how Susan and Billy were used as plot device love interests to kill some time this year. Thus, I could see them pull one last BC switcheroo in this year's season finale and claim that it was always supposed to happen this way - not recognizing that it's horrible writing like this that has completely destroyed the audience's trust in their show and contributed to the ongoing viewer exodus. 

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Velocity23

Velocity23

2 minutes ago, strikera0 said:

As I said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they bring back KC as a series regular next season. Yeah, they may have Dinah now but they are doing sht all with her character. In fact, she almost seems like a BC filler to me - similar to how Susan and Billy were used as plot device love interests to kill some time this year. Thus, I could see them pull one last BC switcheroo in this year's season finale and claim that it was always supposed to happen this way - not recognizing that it's horrible writing like this that has completely destroyed the audience's trust in their show and contributed to the ongoing viewer exodus. 

She is doing the same things KC did in the role.

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strikera0

strikera0

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10 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

She is doing the same things KC did in the role.

LOL, IMO she's doing even less. As bad as the writing was for Laurel, even she got more development before she got forced into the costume and she did get to contribute in group fight scenes. Dinah doesn't even get to do that! I haven't seen her in a proper one-on-one combat scene since she has joined the team. All she gets to do is use her cry once an episode and deliver some superficial, badass line. It's laughable. 

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Midnight Lullaby

Midnight Lullaby

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I don't see any differences between what LL did in season 4 (other than being in court once) and what Dinah is doing now. They shoved her in the same role and gave her a better cry.

Also if they bring KC back that doesn't mean they'll give her anything substantial to do. Dinah would have better chances being a new character probably.

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Chaser

Chaser

They don't want a BC. At All.  That's why Tinah is a non entity, that's why Laurel was a background piece.

5x10 was a fully on shade fest of everything KC/BS/BC/LL by the show. Tinah is a huge statement. She isn't a filler, they gave her the name and the Cry.

I can not see them bringing back KC (in any capacity) willingly. They were done. If its happening, some shit went down.

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Mrs. de Winter

Mrs. de Winter

12 minutes ago, strikera0 said:

As bad as the writing was for Laurel, even she got more development before she got forced into the costume and she did get to contribute in group fight scenes.

Laurel was on the show for four seasons - Dinah has been around for a few episodes.  Laurel was also supposedly the female lead and a regular on the show where Dinah is a reoccurring character.  I think it is a little apples to oranges to compare them.  And at the end of the day both had/have the name Black Canary on the show - which at this point seems to be the only thing that matters as far as the the powers that be go.  

leopardprint

leopardprint

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I don't think they would give up an opportunity to have a Black Siren vs Black Canary screech off. 

(Secret Confession: LL is more interesting to me than DD paint by numbers "badass" women strong as hell character) 

If Black Siren came back as part of a redemption storyline for Lance, that might be interesting. Did they ever tell Lance about her? 

Per that new WM, I wonder if Felicity will be the one to kill Chase. Though again, when did Felicity harshly judge the others for putting down bad guys? In S1 she locked Oliver in the lair but other than that? I don't remember her judging Diggle. Also that's pretty irritating that she's not allowed to make their mistakes. 

ETA: Per Velocity23, Maybe it's about collateral damage? Though that's pretty much in direct conflict with Havenrock so whatever. 

I still think the GA suit is mothballed for the rest of the season. 

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SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

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18 minutes ago, Chaser said:

They don't want a BC. At All.  That's why Tinah is a non entity, that's why Laurel was a background piece.

5x10 was a fully on shade fest of everything KC/BS/BC/LL by the show. Tinah is a huge statement. She isn't a filler, they gave her the name and the Cry.

I can not see them bringing back KC (in any capacity) willingly. They were done. If its happening, some shit went down.

Yup, I'm gonna go with if this is happening, "some shit went down."

Somebody had pointed out to me that Tinah was the anti-Laurel (a way to redeem the character after the absolute disaster that was Laurel Lance as BC, is my take). That Tinah's pretty much everything that Laurel wasn't and that the comic fans wanted for their BC: sold as Oliver's "equal" in terms of fighting (though I've yet to see that), a metahuman, seems fairly competent in her job, has a decent backstory and isn't bogged down by a horrendous backstory (that involves the hero of the show cheating on her multiple times with her very own sister, alcoholic and drug issues, etc.)

I mean, it still doesn't make Tinah the least bit interesting, IMO. But there you go.

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strikera0

strikera0

9 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

Also if they bring KC back that doesn't mean they'll give her anything substantial to do. Dinah would have better chances being a new character probably.

Of course not. It's clear by now that any version of Black Canary will never amount to anything but wallpaper on this show and in the case of Laurel/BS, you would also have to factor in that her face has been plastered all over the city after she died, so the character could never have anything resembling a social life. And yet, I am fully prepared to see them pull yet another senseless BC switcheroo. Goes to show you how little faith I have left in this writing staff and it's higher ups. 

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Guest

Guest

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IDK if I like the way they're framing this stuff with Felicity tbh - that it gives her a greater understanding of Oliver (and Diggle), like she hasn't experienced traumatic events the last 4 plus years. I hope it comes across differently on screen.

Also, Bamford becoming a producer? I see the dudebro club is alive and well.

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Guest

Guest

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Also, SA's now mentioning how he bets William will find out GA is his dad sooner than later. Now I'm even more convinced by that interview he did where he mentioned wanting Slade, Black Siren and William/Samantha to return. I think they're all coming back now in some way and he was just kind of hinting at it in that wink nudge way of his.

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