Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Morrigan2575]

6 minutes ago, nightwing877 said:

I wonder if we will get a POV of Laurel, Moira, Thea, Tommy etc. getting the news report Oliver is alive for the first time once he got rescued. Probably not, since we would need Moira and Tommy's actors back.

Moira/ST is back for 523, she filmed scenes, possibly tying 523 to the Pilot. Another possibility is vision/ghost like we see of Yao Fei in the Sizzle Reel

[Primal Slayer]

There are what? 10 months of "unseen" time with the show that they could explore in flashbacks with Laurel and co. if they chose to do just as they did recently with exploring what happened with Olicity right before S5 started and with Lauriver during Canary Cry. 

Moira is supposed to be in the finale so we'll most likely see her POV of Oliver returning. We've already seen Laurels though.

[Velocity23]

Is there really anything to tell that connects to the main hero? Because from what i remember there was barely contact in s1 and they spent time apart for the majority of the season. I could see some FB with Quentins POV. 

[Primal Slayer]

It doesn't have to connect to just Oliver anymore, they said that would be exploring other characters in flashbacks, they won't be connecting to Oliver. But even if it did have to connect to Oliver, there are 5 months between S2/3 where they all worked together to put criminals away, one of them could easily rear their head and thus *flashback time* same with Diggle/Thea between 3/4.  

[Velocity23]

Meh. That wouldnt really serve anybody since LL is dead. 

[Primal Slayer]

The criminal was put away for a reason, it helps flesh out the situation if they want to. It serves plenty of the team.

[Velocity23]

LL didnt interact with the team well into s3 so what would be the point? 

[Primal Slayer]

She did interact with the team. She was interacting with the team in 3x01 if memory is correct.

[Velocity23]

When? 

[Primal Slayer]

Looking back, her first scene in the foundry wasn't until 3x02 which still isnt far off. There is nothing to say that she wasn't interacting with them during the hiatus when Oliver caught em and she put them away. 

[Chaser]

LOL That reminds me of the first interactions she has with them and by interactions I mean treating them like Oliver's employees and only addressing him for like all of S3a. Her intro to the Team was sooo bad.

Anyway, I'm thinking the E1L flashbacks and possible E2 scenes are connected. BS flashbacks and Lance flashbacks in the same episode. To kind of show where the split was.

[leopardprint]

Wait, is it confirmed there will be L2L flashbacks in 521 or 522? 

[Velocity23]

So she interacted with Oliver basically in 3x01. She wasnt really close to the team where FB to summer between s2 and s3  would make sense. And we did get the comics. Even there barely any LL. Well the time that Queen Manor burned down. 

Edited May 6, 2017 by Velocity23

[Chaser]

I didn't read it as this season. I read E1L flashbacks in S6. I think the question MG received was phrased like "with KC a regular in S6, will we see E1L flashbacks?" He said he thought so.

[Primal Slayer]

5 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

Wait, is it confirmed there will be L2L flashbacks in 521 or 522? 

No. I think MG was talking about the future if not a flashback for 5x22/23 dealing with Oliver coming home.

[ComicFan777]

Whenever Laurel interacted with the team in S3, it made me think of what Felicity said to her in 3x03: "Are we favor friends now? Are we friends?" to sum up how she just inserted herself into TA.

[looptab]

I want a flashback to the time right after Oliver joined the League of Assassins. I want to know what the hell did she think he joined for, if she never knew about the Lazarus pit until 402. LOL. 

[tv echo]

FYI...

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arrowofpanem asked:
Since Katie is now back as a regular do you think we can see E1 Laurel in flashbacks?
In fact, I do think so.

Edited May 6, 2017 by tv echo

[leopardprint]

I still don't get what the value of showing flashbacks for a dead character to a time that the lead character is supposed to have finally put behind him. I just don't think it's likely they will have flashbacks for LL, which would basically be S1-4 anyway, when they have so many other living characters they need to develop. 

I think Oliver's flashbacks being over is supposed to symbolize his finally living in the present and moving forward. The flashbacks will probably be used to establish the new regulars. 

Maybe in the episode when DD officially takes on the Black Canary buckles it would fit? 

ETA: Thanks, @tv echo, I choose to interpret that answer as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I'm sure it would nice for her fans, I'm just thinking how that would fit in. 

Edited May 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[insomniadreams88]

Maybe they'll show FBs to Diggle, Thea and Laurel working together between seasons 3 and 4 while the team is fighting Black Siren in the present? But what would be the purpose? To further drive home the point that Black Siren isn't E1 LL and isn't their friend while that Laurel was?

[leopardprint]

Well, if they show LL/BC flashbacks as part of Thea deciding to be Speedy again then I would be all for it! BC is so inspirational she needs two vigilantes to replace her. I liked the LL/TQ relationship, haha. 

Edited May 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[Mellowyellow]

Will we get Ivy Town flashbacks then?

I don't know how I feel about Olicity flashbacks. LOVED 520 because it was designed to be completely related but I'd rather see present Olicity moving forward rather than FB Olicity. 

I'm not even sure I want to see Goth Felicity FBs. I dunno if I want to see her in her angsty youth which they covered well in S3. I'd rather she get an awesome new storyline and lots of present day screentime. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

Maybe they can have FBs of Laurel when they are developing a story about Lance? He will have to deal with E2 Laurel being around. Because they do FBs to explain or develop something that happens in the present and Laurel is dead so there's no use to show what happened to her if it doesn't connect to what one of the characters is experiencing in the present.

[Velocity23]

1 minute ago, Mellowyellow said:

Will we get Ivy Town flashbacks then?

I don't know how I feel about Olicity flashbacks. LOVED 520 because it was designed to be completely related but I'd rather see present Olicity moving forward rather than FB Olicity. 

I'm not even sure I want to see Goth Felicity FBs. I dunno if I want to see her in her angsty youth which they covered well in S3. I'd rather she get an awesome new storyline and lots of present day screentime. 

I rather have kid Felicity to mirror when her dad comes back. 

[leopardprint]

Maybe Cayden James will be someone she came across in her Ghost Fox Goddess days? They could do flashbacks to Goth Felicity then that would be plot relevant. 

I would rather see flirty flirt present day OQ/FS than Ivy Town tbh, I don't actually think that would very interesting unless Slow Cooker Lady is the S6 villain. (omg now I'm picturing her as some super tech villain controlling Ivy Town through her slow cooker minions like that cartoon of President Obama spying through microwaves)

Edited May 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[Mellowyellow]

I'd be more into GothFelicity if they left out the awful ex! Maybe show her doing genius things at MIT before Cooper. 

I think EBR looks young enough to pull off even younger Felicity! BeforeGoth Felicity.

[leopardprint]

Good point, cause SA and KC do not! (No disrespect, the long slow march to death is inevitable) 

[Chaser]

I don't want Oliver to have FBs of any kind honestly. I want his character to be moving forward.

The occasional FB for another character is fine, but less is more.

[Mellowyellow]

Only flirty flirt @leopardprint?

I'm aiming for another full blown sex scene!

I wonder if we will get another one or have we exhausted our sex scene quota.

[leopardprint]

As a sufferer of severe chronic second hand embarassment syndrome, I'm not sure I would survive the inevitable onslaught of sped up/slowed down gifs! 

Edited May 6, 2017 by leopardprint

[Belinea]

So, they never knew what story to tell with Laurel when she was alive and now they want to do flashbacks of her being alive. Maybe it is one of Lance's flashbacks. But then again they already did one of those with Sara and Laurel. 

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

There are what? 10 months of "unseen" time with the show that they could explore in flashbacks with Laurel and co. if they chose to do just as they did recently with exploring what happened with Olicity right before S5 started and with Lauriver during Canary Cry.

I think the flashback in 520 was there for two reasons:  to set up Oliver needing to find out who he really is and who he an trust in time to wrap up the end of this season; and to fix the mistake they made in rushing the break-up in s4 and the weirdness between the characers in s5.  If Olicity weren't getting back together, I doubt we would have seen those flashbacks.

So for me the question is whether LL1 flashbacks would contribute anything to the on-going storyline.  There's already been masses of hate for the s3 and 4 flashbacks because they pull people away from the present day story build up and use up time that could have been better spent on the current storylines so any flashbacks will need to be justified in terms of the time spent on them.

1 hour ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

Maybe they can have FBs of Laurel when they are developing a story about Lance? He will have to deal with E2 Laurel being around. Because they do FBs to explain or develop something that happens in the present and Laurel is dead so there's no use to show what happened to her if it doesn't connect to what one of the characters is experiencing in the present.

That's possible although I think a lot of that will be handled this season.  And I'm not sure they think Lance is important enough to have flashbacks about him.

I interpreted MG's answer as more the potential to have Laurel in flashbacks rather than flashbacks about Laurel herself.  Just as I don't want to see Ivy Town flashbacks unless they're telling me something new about the characters in the present (love the idea about Domination Through Slow Cookers -- that's totally a comic book idea), I don't want LL1 flashbacks that are about her without contributing to the s6 storylines.

[lemotomato]

MG likes to make ambiguous promises that actually turn out to be something different in reality. In season 4, he told LL fans they'd get LL-centric flashbacks, and they did, after she died. He answered a question about potential BS/Oliver interaction with "watch the trailer!", which showed nothing. Personally, I'm not going to waste any more time than I have to thinking about how LL is going to fit into season 6.

Edited May 6, 2017 by lemotomato

[Soulfire]

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

FYI...

I read it as we'll see LL in flashbacks this season. But honestly, it's LL so I've already lost interest in the topic.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[looptab]

I'm just having the weirdest reaction to seeing stuff like LL2, E2L typed. As if it wasn't  bad enough with one, now it seems like she doubled her presence. Damn.

[Primal Slayer]

59 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I think the flashback in 520 was there for two reasons:  to set up Oliver needing to find out who he really is and who he an trust in time to wrap up the end of this season; and to fix the mistake they made in rushing the break-up in s4 and the weirdness between the characers in s5.  If Olicity weren't getting back together, I doubt we would have seen those flashbacks.

So for me the question is whether LL1 flashbacks would contribute anything to the on-going storyline.  There's already been masses of hate for the s3 and 4 flashbacks because they pull people away from the present day story build up and use up time that could have been better spent on the current storylines so any flashbacks will need to be justified in terms of the time spent on them.

That's possible although I think a lot of that will be handled this season.  And I'm not sure they think Lance is important enough to have flashbacks about him.

I interpreted MG's answer as more the potential to have Laurel in flashbacks rather than flashbacks about Laurel herself.  Just as I don't want to see Ivy Town flashbacks unless they're telling me something new about the characters in the present (love the idea about Domination Through Slow Cookers -- that's totally a comic book idea), I don't want LL1 flashbacks that are about her without contributing to the s6 storylines.

I don't expect Laurel flashbacks just for the sake of Laurel flashbacks nor do I think they will do any. If we do get any I think it will be about the story and not just to necessarily showcase her.

11 minutes ago, looptab said:

I'm just having the weirdest reaction to seeing stuff like LL2, E2L typed. As if it wasn't  bad enough with one, now it seems like she doubled her presence. Damn.

[bijoux]

3 hours ago, leopardprint said:

I would rather see flirty flirt present day OQ/FS than Ivy Town tbh, I don't actually think that would very interesting unless Slow Cooker Lady is the S6 villain. (omg now I'm picturing her as some super tech villain controlling Ivy Town through her slow cooker minions like that cartoon of President Obama spying through microwaves)

I honestly expected Laura Hoffmann to be Waller's plant in the least, placed there in order to keep track of Oliver.

[LeighAn]

Here's a concept- NO MORE FLASHBACKS. 

[Sunshine]

2 hours ago, Soulfire said:

I read it as we'll see LL in flashbacks this season. But honestly, it's LL so I've already lost interest in the topic.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This. I don't know if the return of BS is the A story for 5.22 but I'm thinking Lance might have flashbacks to her once he encounters BS.

I have no interest whatsoever.

[nightwing877]

16 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Moira/ST is back for 523, she filmed scenes, possibly tying 523 to the Pilot. Another possibility is vision/ghost like we see of Yao Fei in the Sizzle Reel

Awesome. OMG, I guess we really will get that tying 523 to the pilot after all.  Guess what I had hoped they would do with seeing Star City's POV of first learning Oliver is alive might happen with Moira, Malcolm and Thea. 

Too bad, I would have loved a Sara too wherever she was with Nyssa at the time. Speaking of, still so keen for them to properly focus on Sara's backstory on her time after the Island and before she returned in season 2.

[tv echo]

I think that any Sara flashbacks will be done on LoT.

Arrow seems to be trying hard to pretend that Sara doesn't exist - from Laurel's "Please don't let me be the last Canary" to Quentin's having a photo of himself with Laurel on his desk but no photos of Sara. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Last year Oliver & Felicity were together all summer (as team mates). What if this year Oliver & Felicity are apart all summer? Here's a theory...

At the end of 523, Felicity disappears. When S6 begins, we learn that Oliver and Team Arrow spent the summer unsuccessfully searching for her while still protecting Star City. We also get flashback snippets of where Felicity is and what happened to her. Oliver becomes desperate enough to want Helix's help, but the team is unable to find Helix. Oliver decides to reach out to Noah Kuttler (who's in prison) to see if he can help in finding Helix. Stuff happens. Felicity is rescued but there's some awkwardness when she rejoins the team because the team had readjusted to her absence, with Curtis taking over her usual Overwatch role. She decides that she isn't needed on the team anymore and forms her own tech company. She acquires (buys) from Palmer Tech the rights to the biochip. Then a situation arises where Team Arrow needs her help because Curtis just doesn't have her particular expertise or level of expertise. She rejoins the team but still decides to continue with her own company.

ETA: Since I don't Felicity would get kidnapped twice, this would mean that she and Diggle don't get kidnapped by Chase in 522. Perhaps Quentin is kidnapped by Black Siren while Oliver is away spending some time with his son. So Diggle decides that the team can handle this situation by themselves. The team tracks Quentin to Lian Yu. Then it turns out that Black Siren is working with Chase, Evelyn and Talia (and her goons). So while on Lian Yu, the entire team either gets captured or goes into hiding on the island. Oliver returns and learns what happened from Malcolm (who always knows everything). He then recruits Nyssa, Slade Wilson and Captain Boomerang.

Edited May 7, 2017 by tv echo

[leopardprint]

Ooh, maybe Helix/Cayden James snatches Felicity from the island? 

Maybe Oliver goes to help Samantha and William get off the island at the end of 523 and is separated from the rest of the team then? 

Edited May 7, 2017 by leopardprint

[Mellowyellow]

I can't deal with Olicity apart anymore. It would also make for no fun fanfics during the break. I need some reassurance of them being end game otherwise there isn't anything to look forward to when S6 returns. 

But I do think you are right that they will be separated.

Ugh!

[Hiveminder]

19 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

I can't deal with Olicity apart anymore. It would also make for no fun fanfics during the break. I need some reassurance of them being end game otherwise there isn't anything to look forward to when S6 returns. 

But I do think you are right that they will be separated.

Ugh!

Agreed. Honestly, haven't they put us through enough?

[statsgirl]

Olicity have been apart for more than a season.  Do they really need to keep them apart all summer For Plot too?

[leopardprint]

In this case, I think the writer tendencies towards cheap dramatics works in Olicity's favor. More drama if they are physically separated but romantically together or almost romantically together. 

"Felicity, lets go get dinner/cuddle/bang after I get William and Samantha settled."

"Sounds great, Oliver. See you on the boat."

Kaboom! 

"Felicity, let's have Deputy Mayor Lance marry us right here on the beach."

"I am so glad we settled all our issues in 2 episodes, we are totes ready to get married."

Kaboom!

Edited May 8, 2017 by leopardprint

[Mellowyellow]

Yup I'm thinking this time the universe with screw with them a la FitzSimmons.

The time for misunderstandings has passed as a ship stall. Time for the universe to wreak havoc.

Please no more temp LI. I can't take it!!!!! I can't!!!!!!!

[way2interested]

Idk I'd be more focused on them actually taking a romantic step forward/getting back together before jumping to making spec about them being possibly separated.

[Mellowyellow]

This week is not an Olicity episode but it should be interesting to see how they interact with each other. 

Ugh this season has been a trial shipping wise!