Spoiler Discussion Thread

[bijoux]

5 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Since Malone now knows Felicity works with GA.  I'm thinking that SAs comment from the 100th Episode Party was foreshadowing Malone's death.

What comment did he make?

[kes0704]

I think it was something along the lines of Malone shouldn't be worried about Oliver, he should be far more worried about his connection to Felicity.

[Morrigan2575]

Yep that's the comment.

[SmallScreenDiva]

Although I think there's still some confusion on who "his" is referring to? Oliver's or Malone's? Or was that settled?

[Carrie Ann]

I think it's almost certainly referring to Malone. SA was giving his standard "Oliver isn't jealous! They're adults and friends and partners!" line, so I think the implication was that Malone being connected to Felicity, and Felicity being connected to the GA, is where the danger lies.

[tv echo]

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-- SA: "When I read 509 - and this hadn't happened in awhile - I literally went 'uhhhh!' (makes shocked, deep inhaling sound). Reading something that happened in Act 5, I believe. It really took me by surprise." On whether 509 was sad or just shocking, SA: "It just made me go 'uhhhh!' (makes shocked, deep inhaling sound). Like that, so, you can read into that what you will." (Oct. 17, 2016 SA facebook video, page 484 of Social Media thread)

I think that 509 will end with Team Arrow seeing a news report of Black Canary sightings in Hub City. That will be the EPs' hook for getting people to return after the mid-season break to watch 510.

Edited November 12, 2016 by tv echo

[insomniadreams88]

4 minutes ago, tv echo said:

I think that 509 will end with Team Arrow seeing a news report of Black Canary sightings in Hub City. That will be the EPs' hook for getting people to return after the mid-season break to watch 510.

It could. My only problem with that is it isn't shocking at all since they announced KC would be back and when. Maybe they should've kept that quiet and then surprised everyone and announced her deal across the shows after she showed up again. 

[looptab]

That would be a sucky hook, in my opinion. They made sure that everyone got that Laurel was dead and buried, so having someone dressed up as BC would be as lame as having someone dressed up as Green Arrow. Not really something that would leave people anxious for the next episode.

[BkWurm1]

1 minute ago, looptab said:

That would be a sucky hook, in my opinion. They made sure that everyone got that Laurel was dead and buried, so having someone dressed up as BC would be as lame as having someone dressed up as Green Arrow. Not really something that would leave people anxious for the next episode.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Canary sighting also happens but SA's reaction (unless he's playing up the hype) seems like it would be something less obvious.  Any way a spare Moira or Robert  could show up? (multiverse versions obviously) Or maybe I'll get lucky and Mad Dong will turn out to be Prometheus.

[tarotx]

They already did the, "Is the Black Canary back in 4.19". Plus Black Siren was already back for Flash. That can't be the shock. Stephen might be all "shocked" for fake press value but if that is a real one, Stephen already knew Katie was returning and that a  "Canary" would come into play with Laurel's (5.1) last words. So Siren or "NuCanary" can't be a mid-season "shock" hook. Tina is not the first time a Canary is on the show. That "Canary" surprise was the hook for 2.1. And while they are repeating beats from the earlier seasons, the same hook just seems even too redundant for them. I mean as a mid-season hook.

Edited November 12, 2016 by tarotx

[Belinea]

Aren't they going to reveal the person who is behind Prometheus in 5x09. At least that is what I got from the Entertainment Weekly issue. Maybe that was shocking to him. 

I go back and forth on the big bad: Either it should be someone from the new season so that people have already seen the face and then 5B explains how that person did it or we know the person already but would never suspect that person (anyone from 1-5). Also, it could be that we completely don't remember the person and have to be remind where we know him/her from. 

[calliope1975]

8 hours ago, kes0704 said:

I think it was something along the lines of Malone shouldn't be worried about Oliver, he should be far more worried about his connection to Felicity.

This might have been said before, but, maybe Prometheus targets Felicity specifically, and TH becomes a casualty as a result.

I would need way more of an enticement than BS or not-dead LL as a hook to return after the MSF, but if it makes some peeps happy, good for them. 

[DrSpaceman10]

If DTH is going to get killed, I hope they at least let Felicity break up with him first. Otherwise, it'll seem like DTH is Felicity's lost love (yeah, right), who she would have been with if only he hadn't died. 

[insomniadreams88]

2 minutes ago, calliope1975 said:

This might have been said before, but, maybe Prometheus targets Felicity specifically, and TH becomes a casualty as a result.

Imagine Felicity's mid-breaking up with Mayo when Prometheus attacks, kills him and kidnaps her (hence the BTS photo from EBR of Prometheus). They can kill two birds with one stone in one scene - end the relationship and kill Mayo. He could've been working for Prometheus and lost his usefulness or be a good guy who got caught in the crossfire. 

[Belinea]

6 minutes ago, calliope1975 said:

This might have been said before, but, maybe Prometheus targets Felicity specifically, and TH becomes a casualty as a result.

That could be the way it goes down. However I really don't know how to feel about that. You'd have Felicity having her own trauma to deal with again and and you'd give Mayo so much importance and even though he might have been important to Felicity, I doubt his death would be a big deal for anybody who watches. He would define her storyline and he'd be given a position that he frankly doesn't deserve imo. 

[insomniadreams88]

5 minutes ago, Belinea said:

That could be the way it goes down. However I really don't know how to feel about that. You'd have Felicity having her own trauma to deal with again and and you'd give Mayo so much importance and even though he might have been important to Felicity, I doubt his death would be a big deal for anybody who watches. He would define her storyline and he'd be given a position that he frankly doesn't deserve imo. 

Yeah, but it could then also help push back an Oliver/Felicity reunion to the end of the season if she's dealing with Mayo being killed because of his connection to her. She could say she's not ready for another relationship so she has to be single and that could lead to Oliver taking a turn with a temporary LI because the writers need him to and can't have both of them single at the same time. 

Or maybe the big shock is Mayo survives his time in Star City and bids them farewell with a happy wave. (Completely joking.)

[Belinea]

2 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

 She could say she's not ready for another relationship so she has to be single and that could lead to Oliver taking a turn with a temporary LI because the writers need him to and can't have both of them single at the same time. 

True. What makes me bitter about this line of speculating is that Felicity managed to get over her almost husband quite nicely in a way nobody saw but she'd be super upset about this guy being dead. But these days, I'd buy that they'd do a storyline like that.

[calliope1975]

Sadly, even if Mayo's death devastated Felicity, it's not like we would see it. The Havenrock fallout seems to show that TPTB aren't interested in any in depth emotional exploration. As far as pushing back the Olicity reunion, I suspect that was happening anyway. I now believe WM was probably straight up telling the truth when she said Olicity might not get back together this season. And yes, I'd like to be proven wrong on my thoughts.

[insomniadreams88]

Just now, Belinea said:

True. What makes me bitter about this line of speculating is that Felicity managed to get over her almost husband quite nicely in a way nobody saw but she'd be super upset about this guy being dead. But these days, I'd buy that they'd do a storyline like that.

Oh I agree, but just look at these first six episodes. I wouldn't put it past them, especially considering we still know absolutely nothing about Felicity's relationship with Mayo other than they're dating. We'll probably never find out how they met or started dating unless Mayo's working for Prometheus and sought her out specifically to get close to her for him. 

[statsgirl]

Personally, I think preventing Olicity from getting together this season or even getting together in the least episode like season 3 would be a dangerous game to play because a lot of viewers would give up on the show before 601 but what do I know?  It wouldn't be the first time I bet on the wrong horse this week.

45 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

 We'll probably never find out how they met or started dating unless Mayo's working for Prometheus and sought her out specifically to get close to her for him. 

If they did that, it might almost justify his presence.

55 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Yeah, but it could then also help push back an Oliver/Felicity reunion to the end of the season if she's dealing with Mayo being killed because of his connection to her. She could say she's not ready for another relationship so she has to be single and that could lead to Oliver taking a turn with a temporary LI because the writers need him to and can't have both of them single at the same time.

It would make Oliver look like a real jerk to me (the love of my life is grieving so I'll just go bang these other women as a distraction) but MG probably wouldn't even notice it.

[way2interested]

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If they did that, it might almost justify his presence.

That's my thing with the character right now, that every purpose the character now has already been executed. Using him as the premiere twist, check. Using him as the reason why Oliver and Felicity didn't get back together/aren't together now (besides the obvious network execution reasons), check. Giving Oliver reasoning to move on to his temp LI, now checked. To give Felicity potential troubles in balancing secrets with a potential significant other if working with TA, now checked. Being a liaison for GA and the police can still be a potential role, but with the Vigilante thing and them confronting/dealing with each other head-on next week that might negate the need for DTH in that role as well.

Now the only other role readily available is the idea that someone from the SCPD is providing Prometheus with Oliver's old arrows for weapons (aka working for him this whole time), or breaks up with/is dumped by Felicity or dies. Hypothetically, if his relationship with Felicity is actually deepened or developed that could justify an extension for him, but still the same problem for his character nonetheless. Any of the choices really are kind of a bummer for Felicity's character, but I've got to admit him being evil would at least be more interesting to watch for me.    

[BkWurm1]

3 hours ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Imagine Felicity's mid-breaking up with Mayo when Prometheus attacks, kills him and kidnaps her (hence the BTS photo from EBR of Prometheus). They can kill two birds with one stone in one scene - end the relationship and kill Mayo. He could've been working for Prometheus and lost his usefulness or be a good guy who got caught in the crossfire. 

I admire the efficiency of your scenario.  

3 hours ago, Belinea said:

That could be the way it goes down. However I really don't know how to feel about that. You'd have Felicity having her own trauma to deal with again and and you'd give Mayo so much importance and even though he might have been important to Felicity, I doubt his death would be a big deal for anybody who watches. He would define her storyline and he'd be given a position that he frankly doesn't deserve imo. 

But if it's soon revealed that he targeted her and was aiding Prometheus, then she could stop feeling guilty and his importance instantly goes away.  

[Velocity23]

[Velocity23]

[BkWurm1]

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 But some will join perhaps more feminine energy - David Ramsay 

Aka, Tina.  

[Velocity23]

Well Tina wont be the only female in the lair. And at this point we dont know she will be in the lair lol.

Edited November 13, 2016 by Velocity23

[BkWurm1]

7 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Well Tina wont be the only female in the lair. And at this point we dont know she will be in the lair lol.

Nice to have an optimist among us.  ;)

[Velocity23]

Yeah i forgot ... Tina means new BC around here. And all the implications that supposedly has.

[Belinea]

At this point, why doesn't the whole world know Oliver's secret. He lets people join left and right and nobody ever spills? 

Why can't they just leave the focus on the core characters and not have 1324 people join? That kind of negates the 'focus on the core' part for me because from experience the new members will be more important. Basically: 'Hook the audience with the prospect of OTA, get them to tune in, don't focus on OTA but show off new toys.'

Also, what I just realized: Why doesn't back to basic mean shirtless sticks fights? Rarely people run around naked anymore. 

Edited November 13, 2016 by Belinea

[tv echo]

Ugh... what a shocker (not). So Tina will be told/looped in and joining Team Arrow after only a few weeks (if that long)?

I really don't understand the logic of this show. Oliver & Felicity are too busy to work on a relationship with each other, but Felicity is not too busy to date Billy.  And Oliver will not be too busy to work on his personal life, which presumably includes women (Susan, Tina).

Edited November 13, 2016 by tv echo

[Velocity23]

How does it imply that Tina will be Oliver LI though?

[tv echo]

It's speculation based on a combination of spoilers, GA comic 'canon,' and the casting of a sexy, attractive actress as Tina (I feel like I've posted this before)...

Tina Boland

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-- On September 16, 2016, Rapaport Baldasare Casting announced a casting call for the principal, recurring guest star role of "Tina" in 511, with series regular option, and started accepting self-taped, video auditions, worldwide it seems for an actress, 20s-30s, to fill the role. (Oct. 1, 2016 Auditionsfree article, page 46 of Spoilers thread, CastItTalent webpage in dtissagirl post, page 1163 of Spoiler Discussion thread, and ClaimFame article, page 476 of Social Media thread)
-- According to Twitter the show has a casting call out for a principal recurring guest star role 'Tina' in the back half of the season with possibility of regular. People are talking about a script leak in which she is identified as a love interest.  Casting sides: "Scene 1: Rando alley. Tina fools a perp into thinking she's fragile, kicks his ass. Green Arrow observes, asks her to join the team again [the directions note this isn't the first time they met], Tina tells GA she doesn't like him, she doesn't want him as her team leader, it's super adversarial. Then he mentions some dude from her past and that the team can help her find him, and she starts to crack. 'Show me something you can find that the FBI didn't, and I'll think about joining your team,' or something like that... Scene 2: at the Arrow bunker. Tina is pounding the gym bag, Oliver arrives. She's frustrated about some Prometheus thing, he is apparently 'mr. disappearing act.' Oliver says Felicity and Curtis will find a location. She's woe-ing about her past as a Marine, and that being good enough is not enough, it's pretty much a self-actualization video script. And then Oliver tells her she's the best fighter he's ever seen, and it becomes flirty. They almost kiss, but Oliver's phone beeps with a location... Actual direction notes of this beat: 'They look at each other. Sexual tension palpable. Are we finally going to get an Oliver/Tina kiss? The tension broken by: PING! Oliver looks at his phone.'" (bijoux and dtissagirl posts, page 1137 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- On Sep. 20, 2016, MG tweeted: "Here's your occasional reminder that on Arrow and Legends we write FAKE SIDES because we know they're going to get leaked by casting sites." (MG tweet, page 1138 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- Juliana Harkavy will have a recurring role as Tina Boland, a detective formerly of Central City. Boland is brash yet tactful, tough, speaks her mind, and is not the easiest person to impress. She also has a problem with vigilantes like Green Arrow and his new team of recruits: Wild Dog, Artemis, Curtis Holt, and Ragman. Harkavy’s character will join in the back half of the season. (Nov. 1, 2016 Variety article, page 47 of Spoilers thread)
-- SA: "Tina is a character that the team tracks down, who is operating in another city. And, uh, that happens once we're back from our break, sort of, 510, 511 time. And, um, I think she could be a really - I think she could be a really cool character. (Nov. 3, 2016 Seat42F video of SA interview, page 48 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Nov. 4, 2016, JBam tweeted: "@JulianaHarkavy Very.....very.....excellent day my friend. You should be proud." Juliana Harkavy tweeted: "Best day at the office ever ????." (JBam and JHarkovy tweets, page 48 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Nov. 7, 2016, JBam posted pic of himself with Juliana Harkavy, who's wearing a black leather jacket, both standing in an alleyway, with comment: "Welcoming @julianaharkavy into the #Arrow fold......this girl is one badass!" (JBam instagram post, page 1209 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- On Nov. 8, 2016 (per twitter), Tina was filming Belly Burger scenes with rest of the cast, minus EBR. Meaning, she knows Team Arrow behind the masks, and they're chilling. (Lidach post, page 1209 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- On Nov. 8, 2016, papp tweeted: "Reminder: #Arrow films inside & behind Smile Diner in #Vancouver today. #yvrshoots." (WhatsFilming tweet, page 1209 of Spoiler Discussion thread)
-- On Nov. 8, 2016, per fan tweets, the diner scenes being shot included Oliver, Curtis, Rene and Tina, and maybe Diggle, but no Felicity. (newdividev and lemon_buzz tweets, page 1209 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

New Black Canary 

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-- On Laurel's controversial death and whether someone else will take up the mantle of BC, WM: "I can't say too much about that... I can say with confidence that, in Season 5, our decision will make more sense...even to the fans who were really vehemently opposed to it." (Scan of Arrow page from July 19, 2016 TV Guide Comic-Con Special issue, page 40 of Spoilers thread)
-- On how much Oliver's vow to Laurel to find a new Black Canary is going to be weighing on his mind this season, MG: "Forefront in his mind is this notion of recruiting this new team, and as the season progresses, eventually it will turn Oliver’s attention towards the specificity of that promise of a new Black Canary, and we’ll have to see what happens." (Oct. 12, 2016 Mashable article, page 184 of Starling City Times thread)
-- On Nov. 1, 2016, papp tweeted: "#Arrow started the day shooting interior scenes in North Vancouver today with #Olicity  @WhatsFilming" and "#Olicity was searching for a new #blackcanary today onset of #arrow ... What does that mean exactly lol ?? More questions than answers lol" and "#Arrow wrapped shooting with exteriors at Vancouver dry dock with #Olicity and #laurel , ok seriously wtf does this mean ??!!" and "A full day of shooting #Arrow with #Olicity and #Laurel ... A mix of interior and exterior shooting , and no I do not have pics or graphs." (kingscourtgraph tweets, page 48 of Spoilers thread)
-- On Nov. 1, 2016, papp tweeted: "It's not Sara, Laurel or Evelyn. That's all I'll say on the topic for now (partly because that's all I know too) #BlackCanary #Arrow." (canadagraphs tweet, page 48 of Spoilers thread)

Unspecified

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- Per DR, Arrow will turn its focus more to the core three, but some will join, perhaps more feminine energy. (Fan Expo Vancouver, Nov. 12, 2016: Popgoestheworld tweet, page 48 of Spoilers thread)

Edited November 13, 2016 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

Nevermind

Edited November 13, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[tv echo]

While I appreciate sarcasm, I believe the speculation about Tina being Oliver's LI is reasonable based on what I've posted above. No paranoia involved.

Edited November 13, 2016 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

The problem I've heard the exact same speculation for 3 years now. Olicity is going to be killed in S3 because the show wants GA/BC and LL is now going to be BC.

In S4 people swore Felicity was in the grave because the show wants the EPIC GA/BC pairing. It was so bad that even after proof came out that LL was in the grave people still refused to accept it. Becau the EPs want GA/BC over everything else.

In S5 LL is dead but still the shows wants their EPIC GA/BC pairing so bad that they're going to invent a whole new character put her in a BC outfit and kill off Olicity for realz Because Comics

Sorry it is hard to take it seriously when it's the same spec over and over again just tweaked each season.

What happens if/when Tina isn't NuCanary and/or Oliver's LI? What does the spec become? 

[insomniadreams88]

5 hours ago, Belinea said:

At this point, why doesn't the whole world know Oliver's secret. He lets people join left and right and nobody ever spills? 

Yep. It seems like his feelings on the subject are completely dependent on what the writers need at the moment. Also, every time he tells someone his secret now, he's telling them everyone else's secrets as well. And we're not seeing conversations about it. He's just trusting that no one will talk, and no one does. 

[ComicFan777]

I was thinking about how they've been going about this season and how it's been sort of a rehash of previous seasons, but with different outcomes.

Oliver's love life might mirror S2 but with different outcomes: In S2, I think he spent most of the time avoiding his feelings for Felicity.  Oliver sleeping with the reporter (Isabel 2.0) and she doesn't stab him in the back and maybe he comes up to the understanding that he deserves better than her.  I think it's possible that Oliver doesn't sleep with Tina, the new BC (contrasting to him taking the lunge with Sara) - since this season is supposed to be about Oliver growing...so for once, he has grown enough that he doesn't have to sleep with every person with a vagina and can actually just be friends with a female - and instead of avoiding his feelings for Felicity, he would work to rebuild what he had with her.

Felicity's love life might kinda mirror S3: I think she hid stuff from Ray and he found out and got mad, whereas she told Mayo and he was understanding.  I think what will come up next is like Ray with jello, Mayo will tell her that he loves her, but this time, she realizes on her own that she can't say it because she still loves Oliver and breaks up with him.  

I know the pessimist in me always sees bad things, but these are few thoughts of hope and a bit of wishful thinking that keeps getting tossed around in my head.

Edited November 13, 2016 by ComicFan777

[statsgirl]

What I already resent about this:

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Casting sides: "Scene 1: Rando alley. Tina fools a perp into thinking she's fragile, kicks his ass. Green Arrow observes, asks her to join the team again [the directions note this isn't the first time they met], Tina tells GA she doesn't like him, she doesn't want him as her team leader, it's super adversarial. Then he mentions some dude from her past and that the team can help her find him, and she starts to crack. 'Show me something you can find that the FBI didn't, and I'll think about joining your team,' or something like that.

-- SA: "Tina is a character that the team tracks down, who is operating in another city.

1.  Oliver? Team Arrow? goes looking for her to join the team even though they have way too many new team members now and most viewers think the B Team should leave now that Diggle is back (see TV line poll). 

2. GA keeps pushing to get her to join the team when she doesn't want to. WTH?  First Oliver is all about "no, we don't need more help" and then when they recruit four more people possibly plus Vigilante, it's like he's opening up the team for even more new members?  It makes no logical sense and worse, these writers can't write for more than four people in the lair. This makes for eight, possibly ten when Thea and Lance join, eleven with Vigilante. ( I wonder how Willa Holland feels, a new super woman joining the Team while she's stuck in the mayor's corner.)

3.  It sounds like Felicity is going to do the hacking to get Tina to join the Team. NO, just NO.   Especially if Oliver is going to sleep with her.  Felicity calling Susan Williams Oliver's girlfriend is icky enough.

4. The possibility she's going to be Oliver's bedmate.

Edited November 13, 2016 by statsgirl

[AyChihuahua]

On 7/22/2016 at 8:14 PM, Starfish35 said:

Ignore this.

From Candagraphs, who as many people have stated, is a reliable source. There will be a new BC. Just like LL asked, and just exactly like Guggie very clearly stated.

It's different bc it's not KC anymore. It was never going to be KC as BC w SA as GA, bc they were terrible together and she was terrible in the role. It's a whole different actress now. Ignoring the possibility that they'll get together seems absurd to me at this point.

[insomniadreams88]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

What I already resent about this:

1.  Oliver? Team Arrow? goes looking for her to join the team even though they have way too many new team members now and most viewers think the B Team should leave now that Diggle is back (see TV line poll). 

2. GA keeps pushing to get her to join the team when she doesn't want to. WTH?  First Oliver is all about "no, we don't need more help" and then when they recruit four more people possibly plus Vigilante, it's like he's opening up the team for even more new members?  It makes no logical sense and worse, these writers can't write for more than four people in the lair. This makes for eight, possibly ten when Thea and Lance join, eleven with Vigilante. ( I wonder how Willa Holland feels, a new super woman joining the Team while she's stuck in the mayor's corner.)

3.  It sounds like Felicity is going to do the hacking to get Tina to join the Team. NO, just NO.   Especially if Oliver is going to sleep with her.  Felicity calling Susan Williams Oliver's girlfriend is icky enough.

4. The possibility she's going to be Oliver's bedmate.

I agree with all of this.

If Tina is a detective and a new vigilante (Canary or not), why not have Oliver find her and point out she should stick to the detective work because there are enough vigilantes right now? Point out the good she can do with the police. How exactly is she supposed to explain why she presumably can't work evenings because she's suiting up with the vigilantes she supposedly hates?

And I can't help but think that Felicity's storyline is going to take her out of the lair so that it isn't so crowded in 5B. I could also see them writing out Evelyn at some point to make room. I just hope that they give Thea something more to do because I'm wondering if her entire storyline is going to be covering for Oliver as mayor since he's going to be busy with everything else and helping Lance. Are they just going to occasionally return to City Hall and show her making excuses for her brother? 

I'm also fully prepared for them to have Felicity tease Oliver about Tina at some point like having her call Susan his girlfriend and then look on jealously if she does end up on the team/as his bedmate. I'm being completely pessimistic right now. 

[Primal Slayer]

Since when has Canadagraphs cared about letting the show officially release stuff before reporting on it?

[Velocity23]

I love how the info from the callsheet makes it official that the new character will permanently become BC. Since it quite obvious that not even the paps have any idea what is going on with the supposed new BC character. No paps have a pic of the new BC. But if you want so badly to believe she is the new BC, i mean go ahead.

[BkWurm1]

3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

The problem I've heard the exact same speculation for 3 years now. Olicity is going to be killed in S3 because the show wants GA/BC and LL is now going to be BC.

In S4 people swore Felicity was in the grave because the show wants the EPIC GA/BC pairing. It was so bad that even after proof came out that LL was in the grave people still refused to accept it. Becau the EPs want GA/BC over everything else.

In S5 LL is dead but still the shows wants their EPIC GA/BC pairing so bad that they're going to invent a whole new character put her in a BC outfit and kill off Olicity for realz Because Comics

Sorry it is hard to take it seriously when it's the same spec over and over again just tweaked each season.

What happens if/when Tina isn't NuCanary and/or Oliver's LI? What does the spec become? 

  Laurel is dead.  KC has a limited time on her contract.  She's not a regular so even wild multiverse theories about a BC/GA romance should be put to rest.  The question of a BC/GA romance on Arrow SHOULD be dead.  But instead of leaving the BC buried (which was what all the signs pointed to when they outed Laurel and stamped Black Canary on her tombstone) the show has now explicitly laid groundwork to not only bring in another female mask, but tie her back to the name.  And we know at the very least she's been checked out as a possible love interest for someone.  

I personally don't think that the arrival of a NuCanary means a permanent end to Olicity, or at least not automatically(never say never), but I do know that that fact that the show has made Oliver give what amounts to a deathbed promise to Laurel to find a new Canary means the show WILL find a new Canary.  

Now, I'm still hoping for a swerve where they settle on a different color (or the promise blows up in Oliver's face and she's evil) and we have no idea if  Tina (if that's her name) will stick around, BUT the character is coming.  Everything in and out of the show points to that.

The concern may seem to be about the same basic topic: will the show replace Olicity long term with a BC/GA ship, but the circumstances are brand new.  Yes, until it's on screen and starts playing out, it is all spec but it's not spec born out of hand wringing or for no reason.  Boy do I wish it were.

IF Tina ends up not being a Canary of any kind, I will still be waiting for the other shoe to drop.  It's Chekhov's Canary.   

IF Tina does end up being the Black Canary but ends up leaving the show (after I assume some kind of relationship with Oliver) or the writing does not actually slant toward her as a romantic interest for Oliver, I will assume that the question of a BC/GA romance has been answered once and for all (barring events the writers can't control like EBR leaving).  

Sadly, in the meantime there's nothing to do but wait and add it to the list of revolving worries like if the boobs will take over the show, or if the OTA will ever get the focus of the show again, or who Prometheus could be, and of course the big one - when will Mayo FINALLY get off my screen?

Edited November 13, 2016 by BkWurm1

[Velocity23]

*bangs head against the wall* I give up. You  guys are right. The only possible outcome of the Tina character is her becoming BC and Olivers LI. Oh yeah and it means Olicity is over...

[Belinea]

After all that has happened in the last week, I have a hard time at the moment being positive about things. The thing what I am seeing right now is that Oliver and Felicity won't get back together. Nothing points towards that and I choose to believe that they will not get back together again for a very long time, possibly not ever. I don't know but it just feels dead to me. With everything that they are doing, I am more convinced everyday that they want to be go back to just comics regardless of what they publicly say. This season is one heartless episode after another for me without any focus on actual storylines with substance for the characters I care about. 

Let Oliver have his new BC, obviously the show just couldn't deal with KC in the role. Maybe it will work better for them this way. I, however won't watch anymore. I still hang out here from time to time because I like communicating with you guys. But I am glad that the show made it easy for me to lose interest. 

Oh, maybe her name isn't Tina afterall but Dina(h). Because I still believe that the name sounds too weird. 

Edited November 13, 2016 by Belinea

[ComicFan777]

I think there will always be that chance that they will do the GA/BC again, especially if the new BC has amazing chemistry with Oliver.  However, if they were, it makes me wonder why they didn't go for giving her the last name Drake.  If they have him bed a third canary, it would make more sense that it would be a forever kind of thing rather than..hey, Oliver has a thing for bedding canaries but not a forever kind of thing.  But the way they have Oliver and Felicity continue to be set up, they still have lots of scenes together, they still have heart eyes for each other, it never ends.  I think it's weird, too, that the paps have mentioned that Oliver and Felicity specifically go and seek out the new canary together - seems wrong for the writers to have him bring his ex-fiancee to seek out the new BC with the writers knowing that she will be his future whatever - I mean, why not have him bring Diggle or Lance instead, or another team member.

If they are including the Black Canary in the new Harley Quinn/Birds of Prey movie, then I think DC would want Arrow's version to be a cool, strong independent character to get people hyped and not be ruined by the romantic drama Arrow's writers are well-known for - which makes me lean towards her being established as just that in S5 (without being entangled in romance drama) and popping in and out later on.  If they are going the true love GA/BC route this season with a new BC, that seems like a really huge gamble on a newbie that I'm not sure DC would want to risk leading up to an upcoming movie.

Edited November 13, 2016 by ComicFan777

[insomniadreams88]

6 minutes ago, ComicFan777 said:

I think it's weird, too, that the paps have mentioned that Oliver and Felicity specifically go and seek out the new canary together - seems wrong for the writers to have him bring his ex-fiancee to seek out the new BC with the writers knowing that she will be his future whatever - I mean, why not have him bring Diggle instead or another team member.

Especially considering how rare it is to see Felicity in the field doing anything. Why for this?

[Primal Slayer]

Im interested to see Tinas Black Canary get up. This has hot mess written all over it and I will have my popcorn ready. But looks like I am back to watching Error for at least 3 episodes.

[way2interested]

8 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

IF Tina does end up being the Black Canary but ends up leaving the show (after I assume some kind of relationship with Oliver) or the writing does not actually slant toward her as a romantic interest for Oliver, I will assume that the question of a BC/GA romance has been answered once and for all (barring events the writers can't control like EBR leaving).  

Sadly, in the meantime there's nothing to do but wait and add it to the list of revolving worries like if the boobs will take over the show, or if the OTA will ever get the focus of the show again, or who Prometheus could be, and of course the big one - when will Mayo FINALLY get off my screen?

I think that's part of the problem though, that this won't be a once and for all answer because something will still come up next year or the year after that the brings us back to this same question. There's always something that brings up the question (Laurel becomes BC in s3 so then GA/BC will be a thing, Felicity will die so then GA/BC will be a thing, Black Siren will come and become BC so then GA/BC will be a thing, NuCanary will be BC so then GA/BC will be a thing) and no amount of typical television actions that show otherwise will come across as "truly" answering the question (Oliver and Laurel breaking it off, Oliver and Sara breaking it off, Sara dying, Laurel dying, Oliver and Felicity having all of the characteristics of the main show pairing including the temp LIs this year-including the new possible BC, etc.)

Even Tina not having any romantic slant with Oliver (even though I don't really care either way anymore, so who knows she probably will)will not stop the question from coming up yet again, so I'm kind of as annoyed with it as well.

Weirdly enough I actually am interested in those other "revolving worries," and I really want to know the answers to those way more than I want to know anything about Tina.   

[looptab]

20 minutes ago, ComicFan777 said:

the paps have mentioned that Oliver and Felicity specifically go and seek out the new canary together - seems wrong for the writers to have him bring his ex-fiancee to seek out the new BC with the writers knowing that she will be his future whatever - I mean, why not have him bring Diggle or Lance instead, or another team member.

Passing of the torch. LOL

Edited November 13, 2016 by looptab