Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Chaser]

Ideally, I would like a scene where Felicity tells Oliver to do what he has to do to save Thea and she (and Diggle) will do what they have to do to save him.

[wonderwall]

I'd like to see Roy come back when TA needs extra reinforcements. Also id love to see him find refuge in TA if he ever gets into trouble.

Him randomly showing up for no reason would be weird but not unwelcome.

Also id like him to be there for Oliver and Felicity's wedding way in the future (wishful thinking lmao)

[statsgirl]

I would not be opposed to an Oliver/Nyssa wedding if it was done to protect her from Ra's/LoA.  Team Arrow does kind of owe her for her help over the last year or so.  And since she's training Laurel and is a last link to Sara, I don't see TA being against it. To me it's in the category of a green card marriage. Would it be offensive to some of the viewers?  I can see that aspect, too. 

Setting aside the LGBT aspect, which could get very offensive and of which Berlanti seems to be oblivious given the "we have gay characters!" high fiving at TCA when the characters themselves are straight, it's the actors who are gay, I'd find the move offensive to me as a viewer given that Oliver and Felicity finally got together two episodes earlier. 

 

Green card marriage or not, it would be crapping on Olicity fans when they finally get some movement on their ship.  I think I would go ballistic if Oliver and Felicity couldn't be together because of a contrived marriage to Nyssa.

 

Thea/Roy is the only one that makes any sense to me even with Roy leaving.  it's closure for Thea because they do love each other and they're young enough to think that they could make it through this or even have a long distance marriage, and MG doesn't know how long it will last.

 

Re Bad Apple:  I got the feeling from the clip that they have a weekly 'Bad Apple' from a DC show and they mean it as the equivalent of Badass.

Edited April 20, 2015 by statsgirl

[tessaray]

Green card marriage or not, it would be crapping on Olicity fans when they finally get some movement on their ship.  I think I would go ballistic if Oliver and Felicity couldn't be together because of a contrived marriage to Nyssa.

 

 

Well, since Arrow is a network show and not in the final season, I imagine something is going to get between O/F.  If these EPs gave them a whole episode to be together with no complications, I would be shocked.  :-)  

[statsgirl]

Yeah, me too.  We can't have good things.

 

I'm still wondering at the purpose of having anyone married at all in these episodes.

[apinknightmare]

Green card marriage or not, it would be crapping on Olicity fans when they finally get some movement on their ship.  I think I would go ballistic if Oliver and Felicity couldn't be together because of a contrived marriage to Nyssa.

 

Personally, it wouldn't bother me (depending on the circumstances under which they got married. It'd have to be their idea, not Ra's). What would bother me is if Oliver randomly married someone and then couldn't be with Felicity because he wanted to make it work with the person he married for whatever stupid reason. Oliver and Nyssa would be a business transaction, which does seem pointless to tease, but what do I know.

Edited April 20, 2015 by apinknightmare

[NoWayOut]

AK refers to the love scene between Oliver and Felicity as the next step in their relationship after having them dance around their feelings for so long. TPTB are seemingly aware of the pacing of the O/F relationship so I don't think they would finally give O/F their moment together just to have them suddenly jump into a marriage two episodes later. I would be the most okay with Thea/Roy but even then I don't see the point considering Roy won't be featured all that much going forward.

 

I just want to know how they will bring Sara back.

[Genki]

Pure crazy Spec:

 

Cargo Plane with Nyssa, Oliver and Ra's. Maybe they helped Argus capture him and Ra's is bitching moaning, talking about how no prison can hold him.

 

Nyssa can just push Ra's out the plane to his death and become the Demon's Head. Problem solved.

[Carrie Ann]

This isn't spec so much as throwing wishes into the universe, but now I want Roy to have relocated to the desert, let's say Nevada, let's say right outside of Las Vegas, which is where Thea comes to find him, and then they get quickie married for no reason except that they're both impetuous kids in love. (This is no longer actually legal in Vegas but no one who writes fiction seems to accept that, so I am also happy to overlook it.) And Roy has to stay there while Thea leaves (probably, but maybe she stays for the summer too!).

 

But most importantly, Donna Smoak can take him under her wing, keep tabs on him. Donna wouldn't ask any questions--Felicity would just tell her that Roy's a friend who needs to lay low, and that would be enough for her. Picture Donna taking Roy out to brunch at a casino buffet! Getting tickets to, like, the Blue Man Group for him! Which he would hate, but he'd swallow that and be really nice about it! Poor Roy, with the absentee junkie mom, could have this little firecracker mother figure, and now I just need that so when it doesn't happen on the show, I'm just gonna headcanon it anyway.

[SmallScreenDiva]

I really hope we get interviews from Stephen and Emily this week. I don't think we've heard from EBR since "Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak" and it sounds like Felicity has a significant presence in this episode with her confrontation with Ra's being teased, the Olicity scenes, even a scene with Malcolm. And yeah, "Bad Apple" for the DC All Access show apparently just means a character you should definitely watch out for.

 

I'm so over this whole wedding/marriage thing. At this point I just don't care anymore. I still feel like MG is trolling us. I asked some offline friends if they've heard of anything about a wedding on Arrow and they haven't, but they immediately thought of Oliver and Felicity because of the bouquet. I asked if they'd be upset if it was Oliver and somebody else and they were rather emphatic in their "Hell yeah!" One fakeout last year was apparently enough. I actually had to apologize because the idea upset them so much. Would the EPs risk angering fans, not just online ones, with another fakeout? (Wouldn't put it past them)

Edited April 20, 2015 by SmallScreenDiva

[nksarmi]

This isn't spec so much as throwing wishes into the universe, but now I want Roy to have relocated to the desert, let's say Nevada, let's say right outside of Las Vegas, which is where Thea comes to find him, and then they get quickie married for no reason except that they're both impetuous kids in love. (This is no longer actually legal in Vegas but no one who writes fiction seems to accept that, so I am also happy to overlook it.) And Roy has to stay there while Thea leaves (probably, but maybe she stays for the summer too!).

 

But most importantly, Donna Smoak can take him under her wing, keep tabs on him. Donna wouldn't ask any questions--Felicity would just tell her that Roy's a friend who needs to lay low, and that would be enough for her. Picture Donna taking Roy out to brunch at a casino buffet! Getting tickets to, like, the Blue Man Group for him! Which he would hate, but he'd swallow that and be really nice about it! Poor Roy, with the absentee junkie mom, could have this little firecracker mother figure, and now I just need that so when it doesn't happen on the show, I'm just gonna headcanon it anyway.

I have all kinds of love for this.  And I say that the car scene of Oliver and Felicity is them driving back from going to check on Roy and Thea out there. 

 

And you know what?  Why the heck can't Thea dash back and forth from wherever Roy settles to SC to play sidekick to Oliver?  Nyssa and the LoA dashes back and forth from Asia like its nothing.  This certainly isn't any less believable lol.

[statsgirl]

Carrie Anne, now I want that so much.  I'd even like the comics.  Or a spin-off.  Maybe Quentin comes to visit mid-season and they're all worried he'll find out Roy is still alive. And he does!  But instead of turning Roy in (because he's already made his peace with Oliver), he decides to move to Las Vegas too and he, Roy and Donna open a detective agency.

 

 

Would the EPs risk angering fans, not just online ones, with another fakeout? (Wouldn't put it past them)

I wouldn't put it past them either.  But the fandom is already pretty angry after the crap that was most of season 3 so I hope wiser heads would prevail and wait a bit longer before angering us again.

[Guest]

I don't know, the phrase 'bad apple' tends to have negative connotations though - usually they're dishonest and causing trouble in a group of people, so it's a very strange phrase to use on Felicity if she's just a character to watch out for. But as I said earlier, I'm just glad she's got something to do. I hope I don't regret those words later. Hopefully it all works out in the long run.

[apinknightmare]

I don't know, the phrase 'bad apple' tends to have negative connotations though - usually they're dishonest and causing trouble in a group of people, so it's a very strange phrase to use on Felicity if she's just a character to watch out for. But as I said earlier, I'm just glad she's got something to do. I hope I don't regret those words later. Hopefully it all works out in the long run.

They named Roy the Bad Apple for lying to the cops about being Arrow, so I really think it's just because she's cooking up a plan.

[Morrigan2575]

I don't know, the phrase 'bad apple' tends to have negative connotations though - usually they're dishonest and causing trouble in a group of people, so it's a very strange phrase to use on Felicity if she's just a character to watch out for. But as I said earlier, I'm just glad she's got something to do. I hope I don't regret those words later. Hopefully it all works out in the long run.

it's a very odd phrase to use since it usually means a bad person (one bad apple spoils the bunch). However, this is apparently a weekly designation by this particular site to mean badass or character to look out for. It seems they're using it (past/present/future) to be a good thing/compliment. As such, I'm not worried about it.

[Guest]

They named Roy the Bad Apple for lying to the cops about being Arrow, so I really think it's just because she's cooking up a plan.

 

 

Ah. Okay. Good to know. Thanks! :)

 

 

it's a very odd phrase to use since it usually means a bad person (one bad apple spoils the bunch). However, this is apparently a weekly designation by this particular site to mean badass or character to look out for. It seems they're using it (past/present/future) to be a good thing/compliment. As such, I'm not worried about it.

 

Yeah, the phrasing threw me. Plus I don't see her being a 'bad apple' for having a plan or scheming to help save someone she loves.  But if it makes her a badass, I'll take it, although I already see her that way anyway. Ha. 

[Guest]

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with Oliver’s plan to sacrifice himself and save Thea but taking her to the Lazarus Pit.  Malcolm Merlyn (John Barrowman) is the most vocal opponent.

 

This surprises me. Why is Malcolm so against his daughter's life being saved? So weird. It's his fault in the first place. I don't understand this whole Malcolm storyline at all.

[kismet]

O/F - Since marriage is rumored to be in e22, I think it makes it less likely to be O/F, although they are still my first choice. Because at least, I don't feel like its a dumb choice for plot. I think its too quick, but I can rationalize it & get over that quickly.

 

Sara & Nyssa - Romantic option, but I don't think it will happen with Sara going on the Spinoff. But I would be rooting for that pairing.

 

Thea/Roy - With Thea being LP crazy, I don't see her getting married anytime soon. Also, either CH/EPs/DC did not want CH contract renewed. I can't see them linking Thea to a character they were unwilling to put under contract. I also don't see WH leaving the show, because why bother LPing her, the writers would have just chosen another character to LP

 

OQ/Rando LoA - Done for plot, its dumb I hope they don't do it. But my hopes are not important to the writers this season. Unless its done to protect the LoA member, which I could understand, but it just seems wrong after O/F sex scene.

 

OQ/Nyssa - Only acceptable in my mind, if done as part of a plot to bring down Ras.

 

Malcolm/ Ras - I know its a crack theory, but Im still rooting for it!!! Man I want to seem have some bonding moments. This is actually my favorite option of all. :)

 

Lances - no weddings for them this season.

[catrox14]

My crack theory is that Malcolm doesn't want Thea saved because he's already saved Zombie!Tommy.   If Thea lives then she becomes a threat to Malcolm especially if she's allied with Ra's or Ollie, which she might be because reasons

Edited April 21, 2015 by catrox14

[wonderwall]

This surprises me. Why is Malcolm so against his daughter's life being saved? So weird. It's his fault in the first place. I don't understand this whole Malcolm storyline at all.

 

Because LPing Thea means that she'll probably never be the same? IDK In the promo MM did say that there would be irrevocable damage done there

[apinknightmare]

I want Felicity's surprise for Oliver to be that damn fern, haha.

[kismet]

Pure crazy Spec:

 

Cargo Plane with Nyssa, Oliver and Ra's. Maybe they helped Argus capture him and Ra's is bitching moaning, talking about how no prison can hold him.

 

Nyssa can just push Ra's out the plane to his death and become the Demon's Head. Problem solved.

Personally, when I heard the Nyssa, Oliver & Ras were doing green screen with the cargo plane, my first thoughts were they are gonna push Ras out of the plane. If Ras is gonna be on that plane he is either going to be captured or part of another secret plan (which I think is ridiculous even as I typed it).

 

I initially thought the cargo plan was going to be for the big bad or Shrieve, but the spoiler specifically said N/O/Ras green screening with it. So that thought is out. I also think a plane is an easier set to build that is very versatile & reusable for all 3 shows, which might be why these N/O/Ras scenes are taking place there instead of some other place.

 

Here's a Bad Apple crack theory - What is Felicity offers herself & her connections to help get the LPs to work for Ras again. I don't think Ras really wants to retire yet. I think he rather enjoys being the Demon's head. SO what if she is willing to make a deal with him to get OQ out of his commitment? I don't deny that she will probably still work on secret plot with Dig to get him out. But I have a feeling Felicity might decide to make a deal with the devil which would be surprising for her considering how opposed she was to OQ making a deal with MM.

[Guest]

Because LPing Thea means that she'll probably never be the same? IDK In the promo MM did say that there would be irrevocable damage done there

 

I understand from that perspective but I would have thought he wouldn't want to lose yet another child, if there was a chance she could be saved. I don't know…I still feel like there's more going on with Malcolm which is why I might be searching for clues. Ha!

[jay741982]

Personally, when I heard the Nyssa, Oliver & Ras were doing green screen with the cargo plane, my first thoughts were they are gonna push Ras out of the plane. If Ras is gonna be on that plane he is either going to be captured or part of another secret plan (which I think is ridiculous even as I typed it).

 

I initially thought the cargo plan was going to be for the big bad or Shrieve, but the spoiler specifically said N/O/Ras green screening with it. So that thought is out. I also think a plane is an easier set to build that is very versatile & reusable for all 3 shows, which might be why these N/O/Ras scenes are taking place there instead of some other place.

 

Here's a Bad Apple crack theory - What is Felicity offers herself & her connections to help get the LPs to work for Ras again. I don't think Ras really wants to retire yet. I think he rather enjoys being the Demon's head. SO what if she is willing to make a deal with him to get OQ out of his commitment? I don't deny that she will probably still work on secret plot with Dig to get him out. But I have a feeling Felicity might decide to make a deal with the devil which would be surprising for her considering how opposed she was to OQ making a deal with MM.

It would be Surprising but I feel if they went this route they would explain that Felicity understands where Oliver was coming from regarding his deal with Malcolm

[statsgirl]

JB said that Malcolm cares more for Oliver than he did for Tommy, and that he thinks Thea is better than Tommy. (My poor sweet Tommy.)  Maybe he's afraid of what Thea will return as, although the clip telling her she doesn't have to come back if she doesn't want to was sweet. Also, way to nullify Oliver's sacrifice.

 

Maybe Felicity offers to tech up the LoA so they can do their killing faster and with less cost.  Personally, I think Ra's should take her up on it.

[La Dee Da]

Maybe Felicity offers to tech up the LoA so they can do their killing faster and with less cost.  Personally, I think Ra's should take her up on it.

 

"You don't have wifi?  Is this the medieval ages ... don't answer that, I'll set it up for you!"

 

If there was more time in the season, I could see Felicity "sacrificing" herself by secretly ("secretly" = found out after the first commercial break) joining the LOA and looking for a way to extract Oliver through a prophecy loophole or for Nyssa to reclaim her inheritance, should she want it, and without bloodshed.  Hmmmm... they are back in Nanda Parbat .... no, too far fetched....  

 

Maybe they introduce the season 4 big bad in the cargo plane scene - Ra's tells Oliver and Nyssa they have to pull together (not in a matrimonial way) and fight together against a common enemy?

[FurryFury]

JB said that Malcolm cares more for Oliver than he did for Tommy, and that he thinks Thea is better than Tommy. (My poor sweet Tommy.)

 

You know, it's not like I was ever doubting Malcolm's villainous essence, but this is what truly makes him cross the moral event horizon for me. Poor Tommy's already dead, why shit on him further? 

[looptab]

I'm not against Roy coming back, but it would depend on the circumstances. If Oliver and co. is legitimized by some government entity, then okay. If he just randomly shows up, yeah...I've got a problem with that. Apart from the fact that I truly believe that Malcolm doesn't give a shit if someone sees him, because he believes that no prison can hold him or whatever, Malcolm didn't give himself up to save someone else. So, why would Roy come back? If he doesn't care about getting caught then whatever, but he did it to save Oliver, who would be right back in the same mess (if not a bigger one), if Roy turned up alive. So then everything Roy did was for nothing. It would make zero sense.

Oh, I got it now. It  makes sense, yeah. I hadn't even considered Oliver in all of this, lol. 

Edited April 21, 2015 by looptab

[tv echo]

Unfortunately, I don't think Felicity or her connections have the skills to make the LPs work for Ra's again.  It would have to take magic of some kind, I think.  What Felicity could offer is to modernize the LOA's communications and network facilities (if they even have one - I mean, purple smoke, really?).

 

Incidentally, here's something that has me puzzled... The existence of the LP raises the question of why Nyssa didn't use it last fall to resurrect Sara as soon as she found out about her death.  If the LP works to resurrect the dead-dead, then it should've worked to bring Sara back to life.  They haven't said there's any magical connection between the LP and Ra's that only allows Ra's to use the LP.  It's likely available to anyone who has access.  Nyssa grew up in the LOA and could've figured out a way to get access to the LP.  Or at a minimum, there should've been some reference to her asking Ra's for access (and him turning her down) or mentioning the LP to Oliver or Laurel last fall.  Or when Nyssa had her argument with Ra's about being disinherited, there could've been some mention then of how Ra's refused to save Sara with the LP.

 

If the LP only works to resurrect the mostly dead, then Thea isn't dead-dead and will be someone else who didn't perish at the blade of Ra's, also fulfilling the prophecy.  If she doesn't fit the prophecy only because she isn't a "man", then that makes both the prophecy and the LOA incredibly sexist.

 

I think the EPs have written themselves into a corner on this one.

Edited April 21, 2015 by tv echo

[apinknightmare]

In the 2.5 comics, it was mentioned that you need to have permission to use the Pit, you can't just put anyone in there. Given the way Ra's felt about Nyssa and Sara's relationship, I doubt he would've given Nyssa permission to use them on Sara. I'm not sure what the consequences are for using them without permission - the comics indicated that would be addressed in the show. So, maybe Sara does come back via LP, but from an "unauthorized use," so she's completely bananapants or something, IDK.

Also, since Oliver took Thea to the hospital for her injuries and does need to LP her to bring her back, this seems to be in a gray area prophecy-wise, since it seems like Thea would die without use of the LP.

Edited April 21, 2015 by apinknightmare

[Morrigan2575]

Unfortunately, I don't think Felicity or her connections have the skills to make the LPs work for Ra's again.  It would have to take magic of some kind, I think.  What Felicity could offer is to modernize the LOA's communications and network facilities (if they even have one - I mean, purple smoke, really?).

 

Incidentally, here's something that has me puzzled... The existence of the LP raises the question of why Nyssa didn't use it last fall to resurrect Sara as soon as she found out about her death.  If the LP works to resurrect the dead-dead, then it should've worked to bring Sara back to life.  They haven't said there's any magical connection between the LP and Ra's that only allows Ra's to use the LP.  It's likely available to anyone who has access.  Nyssa grew up in the LOA and could've figured out a way to get access to the LP.  Or at a minimum, there should've been some reference to her asking Ra's for access (and him turning her down) or mentioning the LP to Oliver or Laurel last fall.  Or when Nyssa had her argument with Ra's about being disinherited, there could've been some mention then of how Ra's refused to save Sara with the LP.

 

If the LP only works to resurrect the mostly dead, then Thea isn't dead-dead and will be someone else who didn't perish at the blade of Ra's, also fulfilling the prophecy.  If she doesn't fit the prophecy only because she isn't a "man", then that makes both the prophecy and the LOA incredibly sexist.

 

I think the EPs have written themselves into a corner on this one.

Katrina Law gave an interview when they were building up Dead Oliver (post 309) and she was asked if the LP exists why didn't Nyssa use it on Sara and she had no clue.  She came up with some theories, maybe she asked her father and he said no, maybe there are rules in the LoA that she didn't want to break, etc.  It seems that this is one of those times where the EPs write something but aren't talking to the actors, which is fine, I know some writers/producers are very secretive about stuff.  

 

My personal opinion is that these guys just don't think that far and ahead or that deep.  It's more style than substance with them and they clearly (admittedly) write backwards.

[Velocity23]

Nyssa gets permission from Oliver after Rip Hunter shows up with Saras body? Since he will become the Demon?

[tv echo]

I just hope they address it on the show in some fashion.  If Ra's refused to use the LP for Sara but is now using it for Thea, I'd imagine that Nyssa would be even more bitter and angry (in addition to being disinherited).

 

When you can bring people back from the dead, it kinda undermines an entire season that's motivated by a character's death.

 

Oliver is only becoming the Heir to the Demon.  He can't become the Demon's Head until Ra's dies.  So Ra's would still be Ra's, as I understand it, and he would still be in charge of the LOA until/unless he dies.

Edited April 21, 2015 by tv echo

[apinknightmare]

Yeah, Oliver's just an underling at this point, it seems.

I think we'll probably get more rules about the LP in this next ep, because the obvious question is, "why not throw anyone in there?" I think them having a ceremony (which I'm guessing they do since that priestess is there) and requiring "permission" is a pretty clever thing to do if they're going to bring it in to the show. Because obviously the strings that come with putting someone in it coupled with the fact that they become a little not right when they come out provides good reasoning for why you wouldn't just use it every time someone dies.

[tv echo]

Incidentally, the latest post on the Offficial CW Arrow facebook page refers to Malcolm as "Al Sa-Her" ("the Magician" in Arabic).  I wonder if there's any significance to their reminding us of Malcolm's Arabic name at this point?

Arrow  16 hrs · Edited ·
Al Sa-Her is an opponent you don't fight alone. Watch Malcolm face-off against the Black Canary/Arsenal dynamic duo: http://bit.ly/SuperheroClub
‪#‎Arrow‬ is new Wednesday. Don't miss the final 4 episodes of the season!

https://www.facebook.com/CWArrow

Edited April 21, 2015 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Regarding the floater speculation - Amanda Waller is in the latest digital tie-in comics issue of The Flash: Season Zero.  MG has said that Waller is not off the table for the Flarrow universe, but has also said that the actress who plays her is very busy and has limited availability.  Assuming MG's latter statement was just to throw us off the scent, Waller is still a viable candidate for the floater character.  Alternatively, a hovering ARGUS presence in Arrow, Flash and Spinoff can also support the theory that Lyla rejoins ARGUS and is the floater.

Edited April 21, 2015 by tv echo

[kismet]

I love this show that there are various classifications of dead. I feel like they made sure to prove to us that Sara was dead dead dead (which is why I think the LP will not work on her at this point, unless she was put in closer to sept). Oliver was just dead, so magical snow & herbs will revive him. I feel like Thea is dead dead, which implies that she needs the LP or she would become dead dead dead. Because she is neither dead dead dead or just dead she does not fulfill the prophecy because technically she still lives, even if her brain is unresponsive. I also think whatever prayer Ras gave over her has some significance in her inability to fulfill the prophecy as well as what will happen with the LP.

 

I'm beginning to think that she will actually not officially die in SC hospital. She'll definitely code, but then she'll enter some unresponsive coma state, it would explain the emts bringing her to the hanger. She will not be officially declared dead in SC, because it would complicate future seasons for the writers. They would have to explain how TQ is somehow alive after being officially declared deceased in a legitimate hospital. Having to explain would be too soapy. Its one thing to be presumed dead like OQ or to fake your death to get out of prison like RH. But there is no easy explanation for the people of SC as to why TQ would fake her death or be miraculously risen from the dead. She will mostly likely be considered neurologically unresponsive. The doctors will probably tell OQ there is little hope other than to what and see. They will probably want to run tests in certain time frame (standard protocol) to ascertain her level of brain function to determine if she can be classified as brain dead which will be when OQ takes her out of the hospital against medical advice to his "special rehab".

[raytch]

O/F - Since marriage is rumored to be in e22, I think it makes it less likely to be O/F, although they are still my first choice. Because at least, I don't feel like its a dumb choice for plot. I think its too quick, but I can rationalize it & get over that quickly.

 

Sara & Nyssa - Romantic option, but I don't think it will happen with Sara going on the Spinoff. But I would be rooting for that pairing.

 

Thea/Roy - With Thea being LP crazy, I don't see her getting married anytime soon. Also, either CH/EPs/DC did not want CH contract renewed. I can't see them linking Thea to a character they were unwilling to put under contract. I also don't see WH leaving the show, because why bother LPing her, the writers would have just chosen another character to LP

 

OQ/Rando LoA - Done for plot, its dumb I hope they don't do it. But my hopes are not important to the writers this season. Unless its done to protect the LoA member, which I could understand, but it just seems wrong after O/F sex scene.

 

OQ/Nyssa - Only acceptable in my mind, if done as part of a plot to bring down Ras.

 

Malcolm/ Ras - I know its a crack theory, but Im still rooting for it!!! Man I want to seem have some bonding moments. This is actually my favorite option of all. :)

 

Lances - no weddings for them this season.

 

I'd add Laurel/Nyssa to the list.

 

Also could it be Maseo and Tatsu? It would make sense since they've been obviously separated for a while. It would be a logical closure for their story if they're not going to be around in S4.

It would be a safe option since it wouldn't be putting too much pressure on Oliver/Felicity, and it wouldn't be too out of the blue and or plot driven.

[Sunshine]

It's a 1st marriage for both parties which eliminates Maseo & Tatsu.

[raytch]

True. Nevermind then. I am clueless

[BkWurm1]

I wonder if "crazy" Thea makes a Thea and Roy marriage more plausible.  What if she tracks Roy down while not herself in a kind of manic high and sweeps him off his feet only for him to realize something is seriously wrong with her.  He could eventually get through to her but can't stay and she, worried for Oliver, can't go.  Hence question of if the marriage will be seen in season 4.

[Sunshine]

Sara & Nyssa could happen. If Sara is revived somehow in 3.21 they could marry in 3.22. Sara is going to the spin-off. Right now, Nyssa is a recurring character and Laurel's trainer. MG said he didn't know if the marriage would last into S4 which could simply be trolling. Since KL is recurring they might be unsure of where they want to go with Nyssa's character.

Crack theory: Nyssa has been traveling back and forth between SC and NP frequently until recently. Nyssa already used the LP on Sara without permission. (I am skipping the problems with the gravesite because they would in-show.) She didn't come back as quite the same Sara as we know so Nyssa has been hiding her as she tries to help her. No need to tell the family as she's not their Sara. There is a breakthrough in 3.21 which is Nyssa's episode. Cue marriage in 3.22. Lance family is now aware and QL loses some of his vengefulness. Sara could still go to spin-off looking for a fresh start but be in contact with her family.

I think I am on the anyone but Oliver/Felicity marriage train. I love O&F but I don't want to listen to demands for babies in S4 from fandom. I want them to get back to action/adventure.

I wonder if "crazy" Thea makes a Thea and Roy marriage more plausible.  What if she tracks Roy down while not herself in a kind of manic high and sweeps him off his feet only for him to realize something is seriously wrong with her.  He could eventually get through to her but can't stay and she, worried for Oliver, can't go.  Hence question of if the marriage will be seen in season 4.

I know I am hung up on the word closure but in one of the press articles (don't remember which, I'll see if I can find it again) it was referred to as a good-bye scene.

ETA: (Seat 42F article in spoilers refers to it as proper good-bye.)

Edited April 21, 2015 by Sunshine

[kismet]

Sara & Nyssa could happen. If Sara is revived somehow in 3.21 they could marry in 3.22. Sara is going to the spin-off. Right now, Nyssa is a recurring character and Laurel's trainer. MG said he didn't know if the marriage would last into S4 which could simply be trolling. Since KL is recurring they might be unsure of where they want to go with Nyssa's character.

I think I am on the anyone but Oliver/Felicity marriage train. I love O&F but I don't want to listen to demands for babies in S4 from fandom. I want them to get back to action/adventure.

 

I wonder if Nyssa could be the floater? Now that she is not heir to demon she has some free time. Laurel needs a lot of training, but certainly they can find better use of KL's talents than just making her a trainer. The S/N marriage maybe in limbo because the spin-off floater role is still in negotiations. Maybe Ras/O/N come to some understanding on the cargo plane.

 

Oh, I'm with you on the babies. That needs to end like yesterday! The fandom needs to chill when it comes to babies. Same reason it irritates me that a huge chunk of the fandom is trying to say a baby is why the marriage may happen. Its just too soapy. And babies on shows like Arrow just bring them down. Lil Sara is fine because she can be in the periphery without really wondering who's taking care of her because Lyla is also off-screen. But O/F will always be in the main plots, so the question will always be who's taking care of the kid. Babies are fine for fan fic, but I don't want them on the show now. There is no place for O/F babies on Arrow until the final season of SA/ERB contracts if they ever choose to not renew their contracts. But let's face it, if SA chooses to not renew his contract, it would most likely be the final season of Arrow anyway.

Edited April 21, 2015 by kismet

[FurryFury]

Please no Sara/Nyssa. I like both characters fine enough, but I can't get over Nyssa's actions in Heir to the Demon. It's all just too sick. If they ever make up, I want for Nyssa to earn every single cent of it.

Edited April 21, 2015 by FurryFury

[apinknightmare]

Please no Sara/Nyssa. I like both characters fine enough, but I can't get over Nyssa's actions in Heir to the Demon. It's all just too sick. If they ever make up, I want for Nyssa to earn every single cent of it.

They did make up, offscreen it seems, sometime in late S2. Seems like they're together (or at least friendly) in the 2.5 comics.

Edited April 21, 2015 by apinknightmare

[FurryFury]

Well, offscreen doesn't work for me. Sara's going to be on the new show, if Nyssa's going to be there too, it should make sense. But honestly, I just don't want them together, too much hurt there. Sara deserves somebody better for her.

 

As for the marriage, I'm guessing Oliver/some random LoA character, although I do think Nyssa's possible because they like to rip off Batman so much, and Batman has a child with Talia al Ghul.

[calliope1975]

"For what it's worth–and I'm not objective—I feel like Felicity's been developing quite a bit of backbone this year," executive producer Marc Guggenheim tells us. "We certainly developed her as someone who's not afraid to stand up to Oliver and show some backbone. That's her character journey in many ways, her developing herself outside of her romantic relationships."

 

 

I concede that Felicity's always stood up to Oliver, and I love and appreciate that trait. I know this is crazy talk, but maybe, just maybe, we could have seen a Ray-less Felicity this year, and it could have been more clear that she was developing outside of romantic relationships. As it is, that's not what I saw on my screen. I really hope these next few episodes allow Felicity to have a point of view and talk about her feelings instead of being told how she feels all the time. 

 

For the first time in quite a while, I'm regretting being a West Coaster, and I'm looking forward to Wednesday. Now the dilemma is do I stay away from the computer or revel in the spoilers?

[BkWurm1]

Can we really get any MORE spoiled at this point? 

[calliope1975]

Can we really get any MORE spoiled at this point? 

 

Point. Fair enough. I think I just want to squee with everyone and not wait 3 hours. It's exciting to be excited again. :D

Edited April 21, 2015 by calliope1975

[looptab]

Seriously, we know too much. That's bad, because my expectations are now high, and high expectations equals disappointment, LOL. But I can't stop myself from reading in the Spoilers Only, damn!