NFL Thread

[Salacious Kitty]

24 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Deebo is worth more than a fifth round pick, no?

Surprised me too. 

Edited March 2 by Salacious Kitty

[merylinkid]

the 49ers wanted him gone.

But oof Saquon Barkley and Deebo Samuels in the same division.   The Cowboys are COOKED.   

[Black Knight]

Deebo Samuel had two things that always drive down the value of the compensation a team trading a player can get back:

1) He publicly requested the trade

2) He's in the final year of his contract

[AimingforYoko]

It's weird seeing the Commanders make competent moves, though.

[bosawks]

As a non-NYC team fan the prospect of Aaron going to the other NYC team makes me giddy with anticipation for the sheer loopy entertainment value of it all.

But again, I'm not a Giants fan, as a Giants fan if it happened I'd probably start drinking now....

[Carey]

While there's no word on whether Fox will fill the void Jimmy Johnson leaves when the network starts its 32nd season in the sports world, one can't really do so.  Literally they can but figuratively they can't. 

Jimmy was pretty much their TV Dad for most of those 31 years (25 to be exact).  Definitely the one that put the team together.

[baldryanr]

The desk is overcrowded as is, but they'll move to fill his seat.  For the sake of balance I think they'll want a former coach.  Mike McCarthy needs a job.

[Salacious Kitty]

Surprise! The Jets are releasing Davonte Adams. 

[Black Knight]

Adams will be in much more demand than Rodgers.

As hilarious as it would be if he told teams that he'll bring Rodgers with him, I hope he stops basing his career decisions on QBs he knows. A lot of contending teams who are set at QB could use Adams.

[Marley]

Yea Adams is wasting good years on Rodgers.

[mojoween]

The Giants are looking to get a veteran QB to mentor whoever they pick in the draft.  So they are interested in signing Aaron Rodgers.

Those two sentences … do not fit.

I know Cam Ward was basically a child when Jordan Love was drafted, but I’m sure he’s heard the lore.  The Giants doing that to any young guy, knowing how NOT capable Rodgers is in mentoring anyone, would just continue the year of misery that started on “Hard Knocks”.

[bluegirl147]

15 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Adams will be in much more demand than Rodgers.

My team is most likely looking for another receiver but I wouldn't want Adams. In the past four years he has played for three different teams.  Is he a team player or does he play for his own interests?

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

 The Giants doing that to any young guy, knowing how NOT capable Rodgers is in mentoring anyone, would just continue the year of misery that started on “Hard Knocks”.

My team is going through it's own QB hell because our star QB didn't want to prepare any young QB to take over when he retired.  And I don't think Rodgers is capable of caring about let alone mentoring anyone.

[kathyk2]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

My team is most likely looking for another receiver but I wouldn't want Adams. In the past four years he has played for three different teams.  Is he a team player or does he play for his own interests?

My team is going through it's own QB hell because our star QB didn't want to prepare any young QB to take over when he retired.  And I don't think Rodgers is capable of caring about let alone mentoring anyone.

That sounds like the Patriots and Tom Brady.

[Black Knight]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

My team is most likely looking for another receiver but I wouldn't want Adams. In the past four years he has played for three different teams.  Is he a team player or does he play for his own interests?

It's kind of an interesting situation. He and the Packers couldn't agree on a new contract, and he really wanted to reunite with Derek Carr, who was his QB in college, so the Packers traded Adams to the Raiders, who then gave him a hefty contract. The Raiders thought they could contend in the AFC West. But it became clear the team was going nowhere and Adams didn't fit into the timeline to become a contender again, and Rodgers was over at the Jets wanting his buddy there, so it made sense for the Raiders to go ahead and get out of the contract during a sellers' market and get a draft pick and save a lot of money.

Likewise, it made sense for financial reasons for the Jets to cut Adams, after they tried trading him. He doesn't fit their timeline now either.

If I were a contending team in need of a WR, I wouldn't hesitate to add Adams. He's fine so long as he's on a team playing well. Yeah, he wanted to get paid back when, but so does any player. It would not surprise me if he ended up back with the Packers, who will certainly be one of the teams trying to sign him this offseason...which says a lot, because it indicates that they don't view him as some sort of malcontent. There's no bridges burnt there.

[mojoween]

Where on earth did the Raiders come up with that much scratch?  Brady donate some of his earnings?

[Carey]

The Bengals could've won it all this year, but their defense let them down.  There were some okay folks on it & they have a new DC.  However, losing one of them in the off-season is the opposite way to go at they try not to suck defensively.

[Moose135]

[mojoween]

The Giants signed a long snapper.  Our problems are solved!

[Carey]

Meh, that's better than the Steelers off season moves.

Rather than getting something that's worth six points, they'll believe that wearing the same colors the team that won 50 years ago is (good) enough

[mojoween]

Dayum 😀

 

[Carey]

Joey Bosa as a Bengal might mean that Mike Brown's kid is running things for Cincinnati.  Otherwise, I'm all for fireworks with the 2016 No. 3 pick moving to the NFC LA team

[NUguy514]

2 hours ago, Carey said:

Joey Bosa as a Bengal

I'm going to stop you right there.

[Black Knight]

On 3/5/2025 at 11:17 AM, mojoween said:

Where on earth did the Raiders come up with that much scratch?  Brady donate some of his earnings?

Mark Davis has done very well out of the Vegas deal. Since the move in 2020, the Raiders are second only to the Cowboys in revenue generated, and the team's valuation has more than tripled.

[Magog]

15 hours ago, Black Knight said:

On 3/5/2025 at 2:17 PM, mojoween said:

Where on earth did the Raiders come up with that much scratch?  Brady donate some of his earnings?

Mark Davis has done very well out of the Vegas deal. Since the move in 2020, the Raiders are second only to the Cowboys in revenue generated, and the team's valuation has more than tripled.

Both of Raiders & Cowboys have something in common. They both suck, their "brand" suck, both of those owners suck & are very unlikable, they both have long Conference Championship Game droughts (Raiders 22 yrs, most certainly will be 23 yrs next season)(Cowboys 29 yrs, will definitely be 30 yrs next season), & both of them care way more about making money, being on TV, & being talked about than winning football games. Also, they both live in past glory & have a generation of fans that hasn't seen them win the Big Game, much less be in the Big Game.

Since Tom Brady is now part of the Raiders, now I really want to see the Raiders lose games & give Tom Brady a constant taste of failure being associated with these fools. I want Tom Brady to have large doses of what Jerry Jones & his loser brother Stephen Jones have to go through for the last 29 yrs & counting.

Edited Friday at 04:19 PM by Magog

[Carey]

TB12 probably will sell whatever part he owns in favor or a winner.  Of course, he owns Mahomes so it would figure if Vegas started stacking Lombardi's again

[Black Knight]

Brady bought in at the franchise's nadir. That didn't bother him, so I don't see him selling quickly. He does know how a winning operation is run, and he has Mark Davis's ear more than the typical minority owner would have the ear of the typical majority owner. I think he can temper Davis's worse impulses; Davis doesn't have the same need Jerry Jones does to be designated The One who got the franchise to win, and he doesn't try to play GM.

It's a tough division for sure, and the Raiders are not going anywhere until and unless they find their QB. But that's the dilemma every NFL team faces from time to time, some franchises much more frequently than others!

[roamyn]

7 hours ago, Magog said:

want Tom Brady to have large doses of what Jerry Jones & his loser brother Stephen Jones have to go through for the last 29 yrs & counting.

Not knocking your sentiment, but Stephen is Jerry's son, not brother. 

Edited Friday at 11:37 PM by roamyn

[Carey]

I think there's a brother duo in "New York" in terms of two brothers owning a team.

Might've mistaken one interesting franchise with another.

[Salacious Kitty]

Geno Smith is the best Brady could do? 😂

[shoregirl]

18 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Geno Smith is the best Brady could do? 😂

I mean he still is better than Aidan OConnell and Gardner Minshew 

Weird move by Seattle though. 

 

 

[Salacious Kitty]

I believe the Raiders already released Minshew. But yeah, an upgrade, but not what I expected Brady to be able to procure. 

Seattle is imploding.

Edited Saturday at 01:51 AM by Salacious Kitty

[Carey]

To be frank, it's not the first "incorrect" decision Brady has made in the past 4 years

[merylinkid]

16 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Brady bought in at the franchise's nadir. That didn't bother him, so I don't see him selling quickly. He does know how a winning operation is run, and he has Mark Davis's ear more than the typical minority owner would have the ear of the typical majority owner. I think he can temper Davis's worse impulses; Davis doesn't have the same need Jerry Jones does to be designated The One who got the franchise to win, and he doesn't try to play GM.

It's a tough division for sure, and the Raiders are not going anywhere until and unless they find their QB. But that's the dilemma every NFL team faces from time to time, some franchises much more frequently than others!

Marc Davis is smart enough to realize he might not know enough about running a team to turn it into a winner.   Which is miles ahead of Jerry Jones.   I can see him bringing in someone who does know something.   Davis also had success with his WNBA team - the Vegas Aces, so he is not a complete idiot.   

Remember, when Tom Brady became QB of the Patriots they sucked.   We forget how bad they were because of the almost two decades of dominance.   So Tom knows what goes into building a winning franchise.   Now whether he can actually accomplish that is a whole other matter.   Knowing and doing are two different things.  

[baldryanr]

Great player = great owner, or GM (either official or unofficial) is one heck of a leap.  Look at the NBA - Jordan and Magic are the two greatest guards ever, but when it comes to running a team they were both atrocious.  Jerry West was the exception, not the rule.

As for the NFL, we've had a steady stream of great players retire over the years.  How many have been good at team building and management? 

[Carey]

Other than John Elway and John Lynch, there aren't really that many people that have done well as both a player and a guy that can put together a team

[Salacious Kitty]

I guess the jury is still out on Brady. It's only been a couple years. Let's see what the Raiders look like in a few years. There's a shit ton of work to do to make that team competitive. 

[Marley]

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[Carey]

7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I guess the jury is still out on Brady. It's only been a couple years. Let's see what the Raiders look like in a few years. There's a shit ton of work to do to make that team competitive. 

Meanwhile, there's still his work with FOX Sports.  For what it's worth:

I guess the jury is still out on Brady.  It's only been a year.  Let's see what Fox Sports looks like in several years.  There's a shit ton of work to do to make that network look worse.

Totally messing with you, Salacious Kitty.  You're not wrong.  It's too soon to come up with a concrete opinion with TB12 and the Raiders.  They still trail everybody else in terms of HC & QB (Reid/Mahomes, Harbaugh/Herbert, Payton/Nix).  To be fair, Vegas might have the edge in terms of coaching.  Pete has won the big game & Jim hasn't.  For what it's worth, I'd put Carroll over Sean.  Pete won with Russ, who had a better start to a career than Joe Cool.  Sean had Brees but only went to (and won) one super bowl.

Amid all the changes at FOX, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tom calling games until the conclusion of the 2028 season before bolting to whatever's next.

[merylinkid]

21 hours ago, Carey said:

Other than John Elway and John Lynch, there aren't really that many people that have done well as both a player and a guy that can put together a team

And Elway didn't do that great of a job.   Other than luring Manning to Denver, he really whiffed on building a consistently good team.  

[mojoween]

Happy for Myles, and if Watson never comes back, Garrett will be super easy to root for.

[Carey]

At the end of the day, people will look at Garrett's now previous situation & say it's all about money.  It was all about getting paid the entire time.  I think the "wanting to go to a contender" is a decent reason for a player of his magnitude.

Cleveland isn't that, but can be as soon as this year if everyone can overcome Haslam.  They have in the past so we'll see.

As mentioned, Myles probably couldn't go anywhere since the Browns would be foolish to allow their face of the franchise to go someplace else.  However, they do owe it to him to try & win now while he's young

[roamyn]

His request for a trade confused me, because he’s always stated he loves Cleveland and loves AFC north football.  I don’t care if he’s the highest paid defensive end in NFL history.  He’s earned it.  Unlike others on the team….

Wonder what Micah’s gonna want now?

[Carey]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

And Elway didn't do that great of a job.   Other than luring Manning to Denver, he really whiffed on building a consistently good team.  

I completely agree that John didn't do a great job overall.  However, I hardly think it was close to a failure as he did more than acquiring Peyton to the Broncos.  They had one too many one-and-done postseason outcomes.  One was inexcusable the other one, while painful was actually fair enough.

Sure the start of Elway's run was pretty horrible, and it just sucked after Manning retired.  However, (in the postseason) when someone beats Brady twice, that's not nothing.  Everybody else in that period lost to New England, and most of those games weren't even close.

I'd give the John Elway era a C+.  Maybe a B-.  However, Denver did cash at the end of the day.  Whenever you get a Super Bowl out of that period, that's fair enough.

Meanwhile, San Francisco hasn't won a title since John Lynch joined the team as a GM.  Yet I'd settle for a B to B+ as they've won a couple NFC Titles (and lost a couple too).  That's with Jimmy G & Brock Purdy in the league's most important position.  They've been lousy less than half the time, and one of the NFL's final four teams other than that.  The Niners probably have to win a title if the verdict is failure for one's general manager run, but I think John Lynch has done okay to this point

[roamyn]

I saw a blog on YT from someone mentioning how Myles's new contract screws over AFCN rivals Cinci & Pissburgh.  I didn't realize that Ja'mar Chase has been saying he wants to be the highest paid non-QB in the league.  I don't think the cash strapped Bengals can afford that.  Plus TJ Watt is due for an extension and you can bet he'll want the same, since he & Garrett aee pretty comprable.

[Salacious Kitty]

Davante is signing a two year deal with the Rams. 

[Carey]

The Aaron to Davante Era has ended.

[Salacious Kitty]

Davante didn't let any moss grow under his feet waiting for some sucker to sign Rodgers, for sure. 

[Salacious Kitty]

In a move that will interest many here, DK Metcalf is headed to the Steelers. 

[mojoween]

Seattle is rebuilding orrrrrr … ?

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Seattle is rebuilding orrrrrr … ?

As I said the other day, imploding.