NFL Thread

[twoods]

You figure players would have learned from the Watson debacle. “Learned” that by being a shitbag, you get a guaranteed large contract. I guess Tucker will get ridiculed for why he missed so many kicks this year, but with his talent I unfortunately think he won’t get in trouble for this. 

[mojoween]

It’s so easy to not be a douchebag.

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, twoods said:

You figure players would have learned from the Watson debacle. “Learned” that by being a shitbag, you get a guaranteed large contract. I guess Tucker will get ridiculed for why he missed so many kicks this year, but with his talent I unfortunately think he won’t get in trouble for this. 

The incidents mentioned in the article happened well before De Shaun Watson's escapades.  The individual massage therapists just didn't come forward until now.

[twoods]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

The incidents mentioned in the article happened well before De Shaun Watson's escapades.  The individual massage therapists just didn't come forward until now.

Thank you, I just read the full article and didn’t realize it was when he started in the NFL. I assumed with all the jokes on social media it happened last year.

Edited Thursday at 11:45 PM by twoods

[Carey]

It doesn't matter that the Tucker's incidents preceded Watson's 2 dozen incidents.  More or less.

There's a good chance that the behavior here wasn't okay in 2011 or (soon) before that year.  Bottom line is that there's no excuse, period.

[bluegirl147]

At this point I'm not inclined to give any professional athlete the benefit of the doubt. We will see what happens.

[Carey]

These are the reasons why I'd rather prefer to turn to family for a hero, idol, role model.  Of course I have a mirror, but no need to worship anybody else.  Really

[baldryanr]

On 1/29/2025 at 4:51 PM, mojoween said:

hree different headlines -

“Bill Belichick demands Vince Lombardi Trophy is renamed to honor Tom Brady”

“Bill Belichick jokes Lombardi Trophy should be renamed after Tom Brady”

“Bill Belichick suggests Super Bowl trophy be named after Tom Brady”

Since Bill is hip to the youths of today and living it up, maybe he was just trolling?  He has to realize certain fans who are, shall we say, less than fond of Mr. Brady would have a conniption fit even though he has zero ability to enact such a change. 

[mojoween]

I cannot tell a lie - I missed the Pro Bowl Games tonight, and I am sad about that.

[roamyn]

16 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

At this point I'm not inclined to give any professional athlete the benefit of the doubt. We will see what happens.

I might've been for him, however when I read that he'd been banned from several high end massage clinics, well that's pretty much a red flag.

Plus his lawyer's statement includes a paragraph abt the accusations being past the statute of limitations.  Why feel the need to include that paragraph if your client is innocent?

[mojoween]

Fuck.  No.

https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/football-nfl/eagles-are-the-new-americas-team-going-into-the-super-bowl-against-the-chiefs-10157869

[Mean Machine]

43 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Fuck.  No.

https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/football-nfl/eagles-are-the-new-americas-team-going-into-the-super-bowl-against-the-chiefs-10157869

Fantastic read.  Everyone I talk to is rooting for the Eagles.

[Crashcourse]

I can't stand either team, but if you threatened to cut off my finger to pick one to root for, it would be the Eagles.

[Fukui San]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

I can't stand either team, but if you threatened to cut off my finger to pick one to root for, it would be the Eagles.

For me it’d be my pinky. 

[Court]

On 1/30/2025 at 2:55 PM, baldryanr said:

Looks like another NFL player is being accused of sexual misconduct by massage therapists

Ugh I hate this. He's one of my favorite players. Well not anymore!

[mojoween]

It’s funny how the beginning of the Super Bowl era seemed relatively balanced, then the 80’s and 90’s were dominated by the NFC, and now the 2000’s are dominated by New England and Kansas City.

I mean, it’s not haha funny, more like huh.  In a league of parity, it’s curious.

[Carey]

There were really only 4 teams from the NFC that crushed it throughout the league at that time.  The other 10 teams were just members for the most part.  Unlike those AFC teams, the NFC did not take a year off for over a dozen years consecutively.

Kansas City and New England didn't always cash in the league's most important game, so I still think the NFC has the bragging rights.  One of several things that conference has over the other one.  Of course, NE has reached a stat that no NFC team has to date (six Lombardi trophies), and we'll see of KC can get their own stat one week from Sunday

[bluegirl147]

More accusers of Justin Tucker have come forward.   One has a report she made to her an employer, a spa, in 2015 detailing the sexual misconduct.  This guy is guilty. And if Baltimore keeps him shame on them.

[Carey]

I think they'll boot him.  Then again they gave Donte Stallworth a courage award.  However, they were swift with Ray Rice and his situation.

I think it's an easy decision for Baltimore here.  While kickers can be in the league longer than most people in different positions, he's still 35.  Plus he hasn't been as automatic as in the past.

Although there's that thing where someone will give him a second chance, that might not come soon if ever.  Looks like the Commissioner's Exempt List is a possibility here.

[bluegirl147]

13 minutes ago, Carey said:

I think they'll boot him.  Then again they gave Donte Stallworth a courage award.  However, they were swift with Ray Rice and his situation.

I think it's an easy decision for Baltimore here.  While kickers can be in the league longer than most people in different positions, he's still 35.  Plus he hasn't been as automatic as in the past.

Although there's that thing where someone will give him a second chance, that might not come soon if ever.  Looks like the Commissioner's Exempt List is a possibility here.

They booted Rice because there was video.  Teams seem to do the right thing when there isn't any wiggle room.  My gut tells me there will be more proof of Tucker and sexual misconduct.  I also won't be surprised to hear of some NDAs.  This guy seems to have been doing this for awhile.

[Carey]

13 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

They booted Rice because there was video.  Teams seem to do the right thing when there isn't any wiggle room.  My gut tells me there will be more proof of Tucker and sexual misconduct.  I also won't be surprised to hear of some NDAs.  This guy seems to have been doing this for awhile.

Right on with the video thing.  Though I'd argue that teams seem to do the right thing ONLY when there isn't any wiggle room.  Which to some could translate to "not really doing the right thing" or having no choice but to do what is necessary.  Plus, there was early 2014 video that looked like something happened.  So it wasn't quick since it was conclusive enough to take action right away; just prompt when we saw what actually happened.

Personally, I seem to think that Justin Tucker is someone that may be doing this currently.

 

[bluegirl147]

27 minutes ago, Carey said:

 

Personally, I seem to think that Justin Tucker is someone that may be doing this currently.

 

He probably is.  Predators don't just stop.  It usually takes getting caught for them to and sometimes not even then.

[baldryanr]

50 minutes ago, Carey said:

Though I'd argue that teams seem to do the right thing ONLY when there isn't any wiggle room. 

Or if the player is some marginal second stringer, then it's all about having no tolerance for despicable behavior.  A star?  Hey now, innocent until proven guilty, everyone deserves a second chance, who hasn't made mistakes, he's really sorry and is going to work hard at improving as a person, etc.

[bluegirl147]

12 minutes ago, baldryanr said:

Or if the player is some marginal second stringer, then it's all about having no tolerance for despicable behavior.  A star?  Hey now, innocent until proven guilty, everyone deserves a second chance, who hasn't made mistakes, he's really sorry and is going to work hard at improving as a person, etc.

And if it's a crime against a woman well then it wasn't him and if it was him it was a misunderstanding and anyways she had it coming.  Just ask her she will tell you.

[mojoween]

Fuck Justin Tucker.

As Facebook has reminded me, Unhappy 10th Anniversary to the second worst Super Bowl ever*.

”OHMYGOD NO WHY ARE YOU THROWING ON SECOND AND GOAL WHEN YOU HAVE BEAST MODE IN THE FRICKIN' BACKFIELD WORST SUPER BOWL EVER”

*I was rattled in the moment, but Super Bowl XXXV will always be the worst.

[Carey]

Say what you will about Kelce, but Kelce is an angel compared to those players from that champion team.

I tend to think of 16 years ago on this day.  A couple iconic moments that would be the highlight of what happened in the NFL "on this day" but then 6 years later...thanks for nothing Pete!

[merylinkid]

Believe the women, so I believed it happened, but I had hope that Justin tucker realized his behavior was wrong and changed.   Guess not.   

Kick him to the curb (pun intended)

[roamyn]

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Believe the women, so I believed it happened, but I had hope that Justin tucker realized his behavior was wrong and changed.   Guess not.   

Kick him to the curb (pun intended)

You shouldn't always believe the women (or a male accuser for that matter).  There have been instances where the woman lied and ruined lives.  In sports, in academics, entertainment,  etc.

I do not like the mentality that women should always believe each other because they're women.   That kind of thinking is what makes women's rights harder to come by.

In this instance, however, I think there's a preponderence of circumstantial evidence to believe the allegations.

Edited Sunday at 06:47 PM by roamyn

[NUguy514]

1 hour ago, roamyn said:

You shouldn't always believe the women (or a male accuser for that matter).  There have been instances where the woman lied and ruined lives.  In sports, in academics, entertainment,  etc.

I do not like the mentality that women should always believe each other because they're women.   That kind of thinking is what makes women's rights harder to come by.

In this instance, however, I think there's a preponderence of circumstantial evidence to believe the allegations.

You've posted versions of this before, so I'm just going to post a version of what I've posted before:

Victims of sexual assault AREN'T believed as a rule, and statements like this have the unfortunate consequence of brushing sexual assault aside and casting it as more of a mistake on the part of these poor athletes, musicians, actors, etc. who were just trying to get laid.  For every false allegation of sexual assault, there are thousands of unreported sexual assaults.  That is not hyperbole.

Again, the conviction rate of sexual assault crimes is under 1%, and only around 6% of all allegations even result in an arrest.  Meanwhile, close to 90% of sexual assault victims suffer physical and emotional consequences because of the assaults committed on them.  I'm glad you think there's enough circumstantial evidence in this instance, but I find it depressing that people need so much evidence from so many people to find allegations like these believable.

And women believing each other because they're women is not what makes women's rights harder to come by.  Not even a little bit.

[Carey]

Conviction or acquittal aside, I think (at least) some of these people need to be careful.  I don't know or think they know who Steve McNair is or was but I think they might want to think a little longer on how they spend their free time.

I think this is a tough subject, and while it continues to be a part of what happens on the planet, it's a shame that this type of behavior continues when it shouldn't.  Unless it doesn't, it'll be a talking point well after I'm gone.

[kathyk2]

21 minutes ago, NUguy514 said:

You've posted versions of this before, so I'm just going to post a version of what I've posted before:

Victims of sexual assault AREN'T believed as a rule, and statements like this have the unfortunate consequence of brushing sexual assault aside and casting it as more of a mistake on the part of these poor athletes, musicians, actors, etc. who were just trying to get laid.  For every false allegation of sexual assault, there are thousands of unreported sexual assaults.  That is not hyperbole.

Again, the conviction rate of sexual assault crimes is under 1%, and only around 6% of all allegations even result in an arrest.  Meanwhile, close to 90% of sexual assault victims suffer physical and emotional consequences because of the assaults committed on them.  I'm glad you think there's enough circumstantial evidence in this instance, but I find it depressing that people need so much evidence from so many people to find allegations like these believable.

And women believing each other because they're women is not what makes women's rights harder to come by.  Not even a little bit.

People will believe celebrities over the average person. Remember what happened to the woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape in Colorado? Or the many women who accused Bill Cosby of raping them?

[Carey]

To be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if nothing happens with Baltimore until after the Super Bowl.  After all, they didn't make it.  I'd rather hear stories on stuff related to Kansas City & Philadelphia.  Too bad the media feels like it'll need to bring up material that's unrelated to the big game.

[NUguy514]

52 minutes ago, kathyk2 said:

People will believe celebrities over the average person. Remember what happened to the woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape in Colorado? Or the many women who accused Bill Cosby of raping them?

Exactly

[roamyn]

3 hours ago, NUguy514 said:

And women believing each other because they're women is not what makes women's rights harder to come by.  Not even a little bit.

I'm sorry to say, it does.

Men still rule most of the Earth.  Do you know how many men - otherwise very honest, nice, intelligent mean - complain that they're tired of women getting the benefit of the doubt and are DISBELIEVED AUTOMATICALLY because they, as males,  are tired of being targetted?

And until we have true equality in the world - politics, business, sports, men will continue to hold women down and are using - on occasion- accusations true or not - as an excuse.

Back in the 80s a young woman accused a man of rape because she didnt want her mother to know she was having sex, and that man lost his job, his family, his very freedom until DNA proved him innocent more than 10 years later.  Eventually when confronted she came clean.  This was a nationally reported case.  Just one case.

Do you know how many commentators, pundits etc then started victim blaming?

Ditto with the Virgina Tech Lacrosse case.  The backlash after the girl came clean- again years later, was horrendous against real victims and prevented how many not to come forward for fear of being ridiculed shamed and having their backgrounds & life put on display.

Edited Monday at 03:29 AM by roamyn

[NUguy514]

2 hours ago, roamyn said:

I'm sorry to say, it does.

Men still rule most of the Earth.  Do you know how many men - otherwise very honest, nice, intelligent mean - complain that they're tired of women getting the benefit of the doubt and are DISBELIEVED AUTOMATICALLY because they, as males,  are tired of being targetted?

And until we have true equality in the world - politics, business, sports, men will continue to hold women down and are using - on occasion- accusations true or not - as an excuse.

Back in the 80s a young woman accused a man of rape because she didnt want her mother to know she was having sex, and that man lost his job, his family, his very freedom until DNA proved him innocent more than 10 years later.  Eventually when confronted she came clean.  This was a nationally reported case.  Just one case.

Do you know how many commentators, pundits etc then started victim blaming?

Ditto with the Virgina Tech Lacrosse case.  The backlash after the girl came clean- again years later, was horrendous against real victims and prevented how many not to come forward for fear of being ridiculed shamed and having their backgrounds & life put on display.

Until attitudes like this are changed or disappear completely, men will continue to rule most of the earth.

By the way, very honest, nice, intelligent men do not complain that they're tired of women getting the benefit of the doubt; the men who do are not very honest, nice, and intelligent: they're misogynists.

I'm sorry to tell you that there will never be true equality, and it's not because we live in a society where maybe 5% of sexual assault allegations are false.  No, it's because we live in a society where 99% of sexual assault perpetrators, the vast majority of whom are men, get away with their crimes.

And I wonder what those poor men in your two examples did to put themselves in the position of being falsely accused of rape.  Did they dress provocatively?  Did they ask for it?  Did they bring it on themselves?  I mean, if we want true equality, maybe we should be asking the same vile and dehumanizing questions women are asked when they make allegations of sexual of men falsely accused of sexual assault as well.  After all, in both cases, they're victims, so let's treat them all equally.

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, NUguy514 said:

and it's not because we live in a society where maybe 5% of sexual assault allegations are false. 

Probably even lower, given how police use the same tactics to elicit false confessions in other cases to elicit false recantations in rape/sexual assault cases (see, e.g., the documentary Victim/Suspect condensing extensive investigation into this issue).

This in a society where over 60% of rapes/sexual assaults aren't even reported to begin with. 

Sexual violence is a fucking epidemic.  False allegations of such are a rarity.  Anyone on a jury in one of the handful of trials being prosecuted has a duty to withhold punishment unless guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt (and to check themselves for sexist biases, lest those inappropriately be regarded as reasonable doubt).  Everyone else in the court of public opinion is free to play the overwhelming odds and say where there is smoke there is almost always fire.

[mojoween]

Very important discussion and I’m glad we’re having it.

With that said, after yesterday’s threepeat by the NFC, the Chiefs have never known a world where they didn’t win the Super Bowl after the NFC were flag football winners.

[Carey]

Definitely an important topic.  I was concerned since it trended more off topic from the NFL, but I don't think so.  The subject features an NFL player that has baggage similar to other players throughout the league.  Coupled with the fact that the league ought to act based on what's right/wrong and not based on whether they'll lose money & the fan base.

Stats are stats, so I guess that doesn't help those that want a favorable outcome.  With Kansas City, there hasn't been a world where they won 15 games (AND looked like a team that barely won 9-10 games).

[bluegirl147]

57 minutes ago, Carey said:

Definitely an important topic.  I was concerned since it trended more off topic from the NFL, but I don't think so.  The subject features an NFL player that has baggage similar to other players throughout the league.  Coupled with the fact that the league ought to act based on what's right/wrong and not based on whether they'll lose money & the fan base.

 

There are more players under contract who had/have domestic or sexual violence allegations against them than who knelt for the national anthem. 

[roamyn]

NOOOOOO!

Myles Garrett has requested a trade!  He swore he loved us and being a Brown.  😢

[Marley]

Good for him. He's wasting his talents in Cleveland.

[Carey]

He is the soul of the team, but he is also way too talented to lack several big wins in his career.  In addition, there's more value now than later in the decade

[roamyn]

31 minutes ago, Carey said:

He is the soul of the team, but he is also way too talented to lack several big wins in his career.  In addition, there's more value now than later in the decade

I want to see him succeed, unlike poor Joe Thomas whose HOF career was wasted during a brutal Cleveland run.

But still, Myles represent everything there is to be a Clevelander.

[Notabug]

15 minutes ago, roamyn said:

I want to see him succeed, unlike poor Joe Thomas whose HOF career was wasted during a brutal Cleveland run.

But still, Myles represent everything there is to be a Clevelander.

It's heartbreaking, but understandable.  He has been a very bright light in the darkness that is the current iteration of the Browns. I can't help but wish him the best.

[Salacious Kitty]

He says he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. He's going to have a lot of teams on his Do Not Trade list. 

Edited Monday at 09:41 PM by Salacious Kitty

[mojoween]

This guy’s not wrong

 

[Carey]

Fortunately it didn't cost them their head coach and general manager.  Well, until it does

[Black Knight]

Ideally it would cost them their owner, but that's not how things work, sadly for Browns fans. Look at the Commanders. With consistently snake-bit teams, it starts at the top with the owner.

The Myles Garrett situation is really a win-win if looked at unsentimentally. Watson flaming out means Garrett doesn't really fit the Browns' timeline anymore. They can trade him for multiple quality picks to use to build a new team around a new QB, and Garrett can go somewhere he might be able to get a Super Bowl ring before he hangs up his cleats. Win-win. Well, except that the Haslams will still own the Browns.

[bluegirl147]

Deshaun Watson.   The gift that keeps on giving.

What are the odds the Browns tell Garrett no trade?

[roamyn]

32 minutes ago, mojoween said:

This guy’s not wrong

 

It also cost us a quality QB (Baker), decent backup (Flacco), and a great WR (Amari Cooper).