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S07.E20: Reunion (Part I)


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The whole Adam/Carole/Lu thing is frwaking boring as shit. Kadooz to the poster that stated Luann was doing this for a storyline. If I were Nicole, I would (in a nice way) tell my aunt to cut it the fuck out because this HE WAS DATING MY NIECE bullshit is seriously mortifying. I also find the dynamic between Carole, Bethany, and Heather interesting. It's obvious that queen B cannot tolerate Heather (who, in all fairness, can miss me with that shit eating grin and HEY MOMMA! bullshit...,) and she has formed a fast friendship with Carole. Huh. That should be an interesting turn for C and H who were attached at the hip last season. Moaner is nuts as per usual, and she really does think she is precious when asking about "pop culture" references and idioms. ("What does she mean, 'beating a dead horse'? I would never harm an animal! Oh, is that a thing that kids are saying now? Ha ha! Ok! I won't hurt the wounded donkey then! Is that how they say it!?) Sonja needs to lay off the sauce and actually LISTEN TO HERSELF on television. She sounds like a sad old bag living in the past.

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The whole Adam/Carole/Lu thing is frwaking boring as shit. Kadooz to the poster that stated Luann was doing this for a storyline. If I were Nicole, I would (in a nice way) tell my aunt to cut it the fuck out because this HE WAS DATING MY NIECE bullshit is seriously mortifying. I also find the dynamic between Carole, Bethany, and Heather interesting. It's obvious that queen B cannot tolerate Heather (who, in all fairness, can miss me with that shit eating grin and HEY MOMMA! bullshit...,) and she has formed a fast friendship with Carole. Huh. That should be an interesting turn for C and H who were attached at the hip last season. Moaner is nuts as per usual, and she really does think she is precious when asking about "pop culture" references and idioms. ("What does she mean, 'beating a dead horse'? I would never harm an animal! Oh, is that a thing that kids are saying now? Ha ha! Ok! I won't hurt the wounded donkey then! Is that how they say it!?) Sonja needs to lay off the sauce and actually LISTEN TO HERSELF on television. She sounds like a sad old bag living in the past.

 

Where you been all my life, Bugfrey Von?

This news could just get Kristen a new contract for next season.

 

Or it will get Kristen and Brandi their own Women Scorned spin off. 

 

Sad.

 

Taking this over to Kristen's thread...

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Awww damn.  It's like, I don't want it to be true because I like Kristin and don't want her to be hurt. On the other hand, ugh, maybe...just maybe... it will be the impetus she needs to kick that douchebag to the curb!??

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Awww damn.  It's like, I don't want it to be true because I like Kristin and don't want her to be hurt. On the other hand, ugh, maybe...just maybe... it will be the impetus she needs to kick that douchebag to the curb!??

 

Exactly.  I do feel for the women whose men have a high enough profile to have their Ashley Madison accounts blasted, but at the same time, he's the jerk he showed himself to be last year.  I hope she gets out.

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I thought Bethenny was living (or "practically living") with her boyfriend.  If that's true, odds are, she couldn't take Brynn there, so hotels it is for half the week.

 

Bethenny was never living with her boyfriend. Early on in the divorce, some wealthy friend let her stay at his place while he was away. That said, I never understood the hotel hopping. Surely there was a temporary place that was much more practical.

 

Wowza. Of course, it's some sort of fraud. Yeah, right, uh hmm.
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Luanne?  Kept her composure?  Wait I'm being dead serious here---did we watch the same reunion?  Is it possible you missed the 15 minutes she was fanning herself and sputtering and stammering all over the place?  Or maybe there a different, more "modern" definition of composure that I'm not aware of (off to consult Urban Dictionary).  But seriously - how I saw her acting on part 1 of the reunion bore no resemblance to the way I've always interpreted the phrase "kept her composure."

 

 

I say this because if Carole had sneered at me, "You fuck 21 year olds in BATHROOMS!" I would have punched her in the face, repeatedly. I would have been absolutely furious. I'm actually doing it now it my head. LuAnn stayed on that couch and IMO kept her cool despite being obviously upset. I thought that took some serious discipline. 

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Looks like Josh is *still* a douchebag.  An Ashley Madison douchebag.

http://www.dailymail...-not-d-bag.html

 

I really like Kristen.  If this is true I hope she does what is best for her and her children.  Josh came across as a douche last year.  This year he wasn't really seen much and I was hoping maybe he had mellowed after seeing what an asshat he had been on camera.  Kristen is a beautiful woman who seems to have a genuine heart and she can do so much better.

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I'm not buying the LuAnn is upset because Nicole is hurt argument.  At least I'm not buying it because of the way LuAnn is handling it.  If she was my niece (and she was hurt) I would do everything in my power to make light of it and definitely NOT talk about it on national TV.   I'm sure that my niece would thank me for it too.  It's an embarrassment.

 

I think this has more to do with having a storyline and/or promoting Nicole for a spot on a reality show.  Maybe she's hoping to get her on the The Bachelor or The Bachelorette.

It's one thing if YOU make light of it. I think it's a whole 'nother story when the new chick comes up to you and EXPECTS you to make light of it and then proceeds to act as if tension surrounding it is the biggest cross to bear and you should feel shitty about not being as aloof as possible so SHE doesn't feel awkward or uncomfortable in the initial stages of the relationship considering there are other somewhat embarrassing details surrounding the nature of their relationship outside of the fact that he's the ex of a peers much younger niece. Cause you know it should be Lu's priority to make it as comfortable as possible for Carole. I also think it's actually Lu's MO to handle it that way and she would have too had Carole not been so thoughtless.

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Zing!   Does Carole know where Nicole grew up?  Her parents' and siblings' names?  Can she take a cab to Nicole's apartment without researching the address?  Are they in each other's Contact lists?   "Liar" is a pretty strong term unless one knows for sure.  There are many functions where these so-called celebrities are forced to be photographed together...and there are selfies galore!   I don't know Carole, LuAnne, or Nicole, so I can't hit anyone below the belt.

Is this all required before I allow myself to care about someone else's feelings? Wow, now wonder the world is in the state it's in.

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It's one thing if YOU make light of it. I think it's a whole 'nother story when the new chick comes up to you and EXPECTS you to make light of it and then proceeds to act as if tension surrounding it is the biggest cross to bear and you should feel shitty about not being as aloof as possible so SHE doesn't feel awkward or uncomfortable in the initial stages of the relationship considering there are other somewhat embarrassing details surrounding the nature of their relationship outside of the fact that he's the ex of a peers much younger niece. Cause you know it should be Lu's priority to make it as comfortable as possible for Carole. I also think it's actually Lu's MO to handle it that way and she would have too had Carole not been so thoughtless.

 

Who is this “new chick” you’re referring to?  I know it can’t be Carole, because the scenario you described above isn’t even close to what actually transpired between Carole and Lu regarding Adam (and Nicole).

 

I say this because if Carole had sneered at me, "You fuck 21 year olds in BATHROOMS!" I would have punched her in the face, repeatedly. I would have been absolutely furious. I'm actually doing it now it my head. LuAnn stayed on that couch and IMO kept her cool despite being obviously upset. I thought that took some serious discipline

 

 

LOL.  Perhaps if you were the one who started the whole messy business in the first place - as in the case in Carole V. Luanne – you’d realize you didn’t have a leg to stand on that brawl. And you'd keep your ass seated as Lu wisely did (oops until she supposedly lunges at Carol like a lunatic in one of the upcoming scenes)

 

After 49 years, perhaps Lu is finally realizing the simple truth behind the mantra that Kandi of RhoA subscribes to: “Don’t start none, Won’t be none.”

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You don't need to be friends w/ someone to be upset with them for something like pursuing your niece's ex when they were supposedly still involved. (It just makes it sting more, especially when it happened because you trusted this person into your home as a guest.)

 

Here's the thing, though: Carole is the one behaving as though Lu owes her something. Carole expressed a problem with not receiving a warm welcome from Lu after London like she got from everyone else. It's been Carole who feels entitled to the friendship/friendliness from Lu and goes on the attack by criticizing her when she doesn't receive it. This invalidates Lu/Nicole's right to their feelings, which is why Lu was probably right to call her a true princess.

OMG! Simply this! That's it! Carol HAS been behaving as if Lu owes HER something which is what I've never been able to get.

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OMG! Simply this! That's it! Carol HAS been behaving as if Lu owes HER something which is what I've never been able to get.

 

Yes, you're right. Carole is behaving as if Lu owes her the courtesy of being a decent human being who isn't blasting her ass over social media for an issue that Carole believed they'd solved like adults months ago.  HOW DARE SHE!

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Carole never really like Luann.  She had this phoniness about "LU" and it worked when she was battling Aviva and later Sonja's facialist and Sonja.  Carole disregarded what Luann had to say about her niece's feelings and went so far as to say she doesn't care about Luann or her niece's feelings she will do what she wants.  So be it.  Luann was upset about the barging into Luann's sleeping quarters-all Carole could come up with is you did it in London.  They are not friends.  Just because Andy Cohen says they are doesn't make it so.  Luann was very direct to Carole when the Adam/Carole issue came up.  Carole doesn't care.  To then keep hammering Luann for making comments-yes Luann can say Adam is Sonja young.  Just like Carole said she didn't know if Sonja was adopting or dating. 

 

Heather said at the Reunion she was never friends with Sonja and nobody seems to take Heather to task for it.  it seemed to me she went out of her way to make a big showy apology to Sonja then just dismiss her again.  So if Heather can say she was never friends with Sonja, why can't Luann say the same about Carole? 

Exactly!!! Also some of the age digs Lu made throughout the season I felt were the typical jokes they all like to throw out regarding Sonja it just so happened that Carole joined the ranks so the little quips about "at least mine date isn't or is...." wasn't always intented as a dig at Carole but as the normal cast joke about how Sonja sure does like her men young. I mean even Carole jumped on board that "inside joke".  Carole can't have it both ways. The women joke about Sonja's young conquests but now Lu has to monitor it because Carole might think it's aimed at her?  Once or twice during the season Lu was seen making a young joke with Sonja and I remember watching the scene going "oh  man,  that isn't gonna sit well..." but then I deliberately took Carole out of the equation and realized it was a very expected and familiar joke that has been making the rounds since before Carole hooked up with Adam. I then realized that it's another Carole entitlement. Can't joke about young boy toys anymore because ahem, Carole's banging one. Ummmm, nah, if you're gonna feel a certain kinda way about it that's on you but don't go ruining everyone else's snarky good time.

 

Now do I think the sting it may or may not cause Carole is lost on Lu? Nope. Do I think Lu is perfectly aware that Carole may just get but hurt over the "teasing"? Yup. Do I think Lu is gonna keep joking like she's always joked about Sonja's boys and now even moreso because it now applies to Carole and bugs the shit outta her. Yup. Do I think Lu should adjust or avoid it for Carole's sake? Hell Fuck No! Carole is all "too cool for school" well there ya go girl Schools in Carol my dear! Ya gon learn today... LOL.

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Yes, you're right. Carole is behaving as if Lu owes her the courtesy of being a decent human being who isn't blasting her ass over social media for an issue that Carole believed they'd solved like adults months ago.  HOW DARE SHE!

 

I want to like this post a thousand and one times.  In my personal opinion, Luann doesn't deserve a goddamn thing from Carole.  Not after continuously bashing Carole to the press, on tv and on social media.  Luann is the one who took a friendship and threw it all away...and for what?  A barely there story line on the actual show?  I'm over the Countess and I'm over Luann.  She can go away and not come back even as a friend.

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OMG! Simply this! That's it! Carol HAS been behaving as if Lu owes HER something which is what I've never been able to get.

I am completely stumped by the idea that Carole is acting like Lu owes her something.  When did she ever act like that? On what episode and in what context? Are we talking about on the show, during the season, or after Lu started her attack on Social Media? I'm dying to know what I missed. 

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Who is this “new chick” you’re referring to?  I know it can’t be Carole, because the scenario you described above isn’t even close to what actually transpired between Carole and Lu regarding Adam (and Nicole).

 

 

LOL.  Perhaps if you were the one who started the whole messy business in the first place - as in the case in Carole V. Luanne – you’d realize you didn’t have a leg to stand on that brawl. And you'd keep your ass seated as Lu wisely did (oops until she supposedly lunges at Carol like a lunatic in one of the upcoming scenes)

 

After 49 years, perhaps Lu is finally realizing the simple truth behind the mantra that Kandi of RhoA subscribes to: “Don’t start none, Won’t be none.”

The new chick is Carole. Carole got but hurt at Lu's discomfort over the situation in 2.3 seconds. Every stupid exchange after that (which includes' Lu's stupid behavior) happened because at the start of it all Carole became defensive and thoughtless instead of understanding and respectful. Simple.

I am completely stumped by the idea that Carole is acting like Lu owes her something.  When did she ever act like that? On what episode and in what context? Are we talking about on the show, during the season, or after Lu started her attack on Social Media? I'm dying to know what I missed. 

Apparently a lot.

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The new chick is Carole. Carole got but hurt at Lu's discomfort over the situation in 2.3 seconds. Every stupid exchange after that (which includes' Lu's stupid behavior) happened because at the start of it all Carole became defensive and thoughtless instead of understanding and respectful. Simple.

Apparently a lot.

This doesn't sound at all like what happened, or at least the way Bravo beamed it in to my TV over here in Michigan. 

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The new chick is Carole. Carole got but hurt at Lu's discomfort over the situation in 2.3 seconds. Every stupid exchange after that (which includes' Lu's stupid behavior) happened because at the start of it all Carole became defensive and thoughtless instead of understanding and respectful. Simple.

Carole was not "defensive and thoughtless" to LuAnn about Adam/Nicole at any time during filming. I really believe the comments you and others are using to base that on were made in her, Carole's, THs, which were filmed months after they finished up filming the season and after LuAnn started with her twitter rampage. Both Carole and LuAnn said to each other, during filming, that they valued their friendship and didn't want this to affect it.

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Carole was not "defensive and thoughtless" to LuAnn about Adam/Nicole at any time during filming. I really believe the comments you and others are using to base that on were made in her, Carole's, THs, which were filmed months after they finished up filming the season and after LuAnn started with her twitter rampage. Both Carole and LuAnn said to each other, during filming, that they valued their friendship and didn't want this to affect it.

I know what I'm basing it off of. Her demeanor, her behavior, her comments and her interactions on the show. I'm also basing it on my common sense, my experience and my own standards on how delicate situations and other peoples feelings should be handled. I'm also using how I was raised, what my parents taught me and the age old favorite. The golden rule.  Carole TH's just confirm a lot of the initial observations after the fact as well.

 

What I don't use is the during filming, on twitter, in TH's angle or the she started it defense. The grown woman defense, the verbatim angle. The tit for tat defense or the get over it defense. . Life would be such a depressing feat if we lived our lives this way. Not to mention exhausting.

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I know what I'm basing it off of. Her demeanor, her behavior, her comments and her interactions on the show. I'm also basing it on my common sense, my experience and my own standards on how delicate situations and other peoples feelings should be handled. I'm also using how I was raised, what my parents taught me and the age old favorite. The golden rule.  Carole TH's just confirm a lot of the initial observations after the fact as well.

 

What I don't use is the during filming, on twitter, in TH's angle or the she started it defense. The grown woman defense. The tit for tat defense or the get over it defense. . Life would be such a depressing feat if we lived our lives this way. Not to mention exhausting.

Not sure if you watched the first look or not, but Lu says something entirely different tonight. Seems like she is having a tough time understanding what she is pretending to be upset about.

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Not sure if you watched the first look or not, but Lu says something entirely different tonight. Seems like she is having a tough time understanding what she is pretending to be upset about.

At this point my common sense tells me that it's not surprising that Lu is all over the place. I could care less how scattered Lu is over details months after the fact combined with new information that arises from viewing. It's all moot to me because I don't condone how the whole thing has played out on BOTH sides but I will maintain my initial thoughts about Carole's contribution to it at the beginning of the whole debacle.

I know what I'm basing it off of. Her demeanor, her behavior, her comments and her interactions on the show. I'm also basing it on my common sense, my experience and my own standards on how delicate situations and other peoples feelings should be handled. I'm also using how I was raised, what my parents taught me and the age old favorite. The golden rule.  Carole TH's just confirm a lot of the initial observations after the fact as well.

 

What I don't use is the she started it defense. The grown woman defense. The tit for tat defense or the get over it defense. Life would be such a depressing feat if we lived our lives this way. Not to mention exhausting.

Except, that during the real time frame, during filming, Carole was NOT rude, thoughtless, defensive towards LuAnn at all and LuAnn was not mad, upset with or done with Carole/friendship and that was/is my point. It is only when one factors in their THs that Carole expresses her anger and the same with LuAnn (to a lesser extent), so one has to ask why. The "why" is important in this equation IMO because what we saw happen in real time during filming goes against what we heard in their THs. Was Carole wrong to slam LuAnn in her THs, maybe and that then begs the question was LuAnn wrong to go start bashing Carole on twitter and my answer is Yes.

 

I get that it is better to not respond to someone when they are acting BSC but people have a right to defend themselves to nasty, ugly comments/accusations, especially if said accusations/comments are lies. I don't get this Carole should just roll over and take it from LuAnn and not defend herself? Why isn't LuAnn held to the same standard? If someone punches me in the face and raises their hand to punch me again I am going to defend myself.

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 The golden rule.  

 

 

Ahhh!   The Golden Rule -  "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

 

Perhaps the Countess forgot what it means.   She was very willing to "shame" Carole for her relationship on social media, in her THs and at the reunion but outraged that anyone would mention her "relationships."

 

Not sure if you watched the first look or not, but Lu says something entirely different tonight. Seems like she is having a tough time understanding what she is pretending to be upset about.

 

Yes she does.    The expressions on the women's faces when she did were priceless.  I can't wait to see if Andy calls her out on it.

 

Methinks the Countess comes from the house of  "Do as I say not as I do."

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Except, that during the real time frame, during filming, Carole was NOT rude, thoughtless, defensive towards LuAnn at all and LuAnn was not mad, upset with or done with Carole/friendship and that was/is my point. It is only when one factors in their THs that Carole expresses her anger and the same with LuAnn (to a lesser extent), so one has to ask why. The "why" is important in this equation IMO because what we saw happen in real time during filming goes against what we heard in their THs. Was Carole wrong to slam LuAnn in her THs, maybe and that then begs the question was LuAnn wrong to go start bashing Carole on twitter and my answer is Yes.

 

I get that it is better to not respond to someone when they are acting BSC but people have a right to defend themselves to nasty, ugly comments/accusations, especially if said accusations/comments are lies. I don't get this Carole should just roll over and take it from LuAnn and not defend herself? Why isn't LuAnn held to the same standard? If someone punches me in the face and raises their hand to punch me again I am going to defend myself.

I believe Carole was rude and uncaring and warranted the initial reaction she received from LU. That's all.

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I believe Carole was rude and uncaring and warranted the initial reaction she received from LU. That's all.

 

You mean the initial reaction from Luann that was "Well, it's a little awkward but nothing we can't work out"?  Yes, Carole absolutely warranted that reaction...as would any real friend.  What was not warranted was the sudden bashing over social media and in the press MONTHS later.

 

Just my opinion of course.

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You mean the initial reaction from Luann that was "Well, it's a little awkward but nothing we can't work out"?  Yes, Carole absolutely warranted that reaction...as would any real friend.  What was not warranted was the sudden bashing over social media and in the press MONTHS later.

 

Just my opinion of course.

I'm not so sure but hey at least Carole gets to bang a guy 20+ years her junior so I'm sure it's all worth it. Cause that's what really matters

I'm not so sure but hey at least Carole gets to bang a guy 20+ years her junior so I'm sure it's all worth it. Cause that's what really matters

 

What in the what?  That doesn't even make sense in relation to what I posted.  

 

Luann went from telling Carole that they would work things out, that their friendship was important to her as well and not to worry about it.  Then months later she's in the press, on social media and in her TH's after filming has finished bashing Carole.  It wasn't until the fans started blasting Luann for this that she started to back off.  Nothing about any of that was warranted by Carole's behavior.  Carole even said in the first look for tonight's show that if Luann had approached her that weekend at her house and asked her to back off of Adam, she would have.  Luann did not.  

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I'm not so sure but hey at least Carole gets to bang a guy 20+ years her junior so I'm sure it's all worth it. Cause that's what really matters

 

Worth what?  Lu's friendship? Please.  That "friendship" didn't end because Carole started dating Adam.  It ended when Lu decided to try and keep her apple by making a damn fool of herself Twitter.  

 

eta: LOL slitz and I were on the same page I see!   

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What in the what?  That doesn't even make sense in relation to what I posted.  

 

Luann went from telling Carole that they would work things out, that their friendship was important to her as well and not to worry about it.  Then months later she's in the press, on social media and in her TH's after filming has finished bashing Carole.  It wasn't until the fans started blasting Luann for this that she started to back off.  Nothing about any of that was warranted by Carole's behavior.  Carole even said in the first look for tonight's show that if Luann had approached her that weekend at her house and asked her to back off of Adam, she would have.  Luann did not.  

I question the timing of Carole's insight and I do see right through her whole playing dumb but that's my experience talking.  I think Carole is doing a bit of back peddling herself and she's lucky that Lu made and is making such a terrible mess of her position on the whole thing because it's clearly overshadowing some of Carole's overbites....umm oversites on her end in this matter.  Hee.

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I can't believe I read the whole thing!!!!!

 

Random, shallow thoughts…. I liked Beth's look and hair. BUT I didn't like it on WWHL all slicked back. Weirdly enough I think it was the night Aviva's Step Mommie was behind the bar.

Kristen. Man I tell ya I had to stop and replay the back of her head. WHO did THAT? The nails are another no.

Heather. Lame

Carole. Make up on point.

Sonja. Great face, bad clothing

Lu. Enough said

Ramona. Was she even there?

Dorinda/Doris. See above.

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