Rotting Y&R: The Spoiler Thread

[HeatLifer]

34 minutes ago, miamama said:

Well, I loved Robin (watched her grow up) so I would have been inclined to like her pairing...

Yeah, I know. Poor Jack. But whatever gets Jack raging I'm here for at this point. 

Looks like that Phack scene gets some interesting filming as well -- that angle of Jack pulling at Phyllis and her hair flying was great.

Aw, she's my fave. 

YAS. I'm also here to see Jack rage. I'm giggling at some of the Twitter comments, though. "Now Philly can be happy!" Yes, that's exactly what this story is about. Philly's happiness. LAWD.

[NinjaPenguins]

I wonder why any person would want Philly to be happy. I know it's a soap opera and fiction, and I know I'm not above cheering on questionable characters and couples, but...ew. 

I liked Patrick on General Hospital except for the Sabrina shamwow debacle and ZombiePatrick with Sam. JT has created one dreary, reprehensible motherfucker on this show without the tiniest sliver of charm he could give Patrick. 

There better be some spoilers coming up about Jack beating Billy's ass.

[miamama]

7 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Aw, she's my fave. 

YAS. I'm also here to see Jack rage. I'm giggling at some of the Twitter comments, though. "Now Philly can be happy!" Yes, that's exactly what this story is about. Philly's happiness. LAWD.

Robin was my girl! Yes, I would tune back into GH whenever she came back but even she couldn't bring me back after a time. ha!

The Philly stans, I know. lol. They are sad for Billy <shocked emoji> because Phyllis "broke up" with him again in today's Canadian.

Jack is central to that promo -- with Colin, Ashley, Billy and Phyllis -- AS IT SHOULD BE. 

[HeatLifer]

23 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I liked Patrick on General Hospital except for the Sabrina shamwow debacle and ZombiePatrick with Sam. JT has created one dreary, reprehensible motherfucker on this show without the tiniest sliver of charm he could give Patrick. 

You are me. Preach! And it's weird bc Patrick was also an egotistical asshole a lot of the time, but he had such charm and heart and was loveable. The writing for Billy does JT no favors.

20 minutes ago, miamama said:

Robin was my girl! Yes, I would tune back into GH whenever she came back but even she couldn't bring me back after a time. ha!

The show is complete crap now; I don't blame you.

20 minutes ago, miamama said:

The Philly stans, I know. lol. They are sad for Billy <shocked emoji> because Phyllis "broke up" with him again in today's Canadian.

I saw it. He was STILL trying to make it work. RME.

Edited September 9, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I wonder why any person would want Philly to be happy. I know it's a soap opera and fiction, and I know I'm not above cheering on questionable characters and couples, but...ew. 

 

Yeah, I don't get it. Fine if you like their pairing but can't you at least acknowledge they need to face consequences for what they've done? (And that does not include starting a new business and shacking up in Kay's mansion.) Anyways...

I like JT's response to this tweet. Will we see Jack LOSE HIS SHIT???? PLEASE????

[HeatLifer]

Hell yes, Jack's gonna lose it. Woot.

[DivaT]

Make no mistake, jack losing it will be designed to give Billy and Phyllis sympathy and to get viewers to root for them. Expect Jack to be totally unhinged and OOC. 

Edited September 10, 2016 by DivaT

[HeatLifer]

5 minutes ago, DivaT said:

Make no mistake, jack losing it will be designed to give Billy and Phyllis sympathy and to get viewers to root for them. Expect Jack to be totally understand unhinged and OOC. 

This show has already written this entire story for Philly and their love and for viewers to think they're "hot." It wouldn't shock me. But I don't care about Billy/Jack and Phack recovering. I just want Jack to give them hell. Heh.

[miamama]

Sympathy for the cheaters? Nah. Jack losing it will be emotional payoff FOR the viewers. Lol.

If Job killed these fuckers it would be understandable, not sure how an "unhinged" Jack would be OOC or not root worthy himself.

In any case, this isn't about Philly for me either. I just want to see Peter the Magnificent slay.

(Also GT let slip in one of her interviews that Phyllis is forgiven, so...)

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, miamama said:

(Also GT let slip in one of her interviews that Phyllis is forgiven, so...)

What!?!? Hopefully Jack is just screwing with her head and plotting something on the side.

[miamama]

12 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

What!?!? Hopefully Jack is just screwing with her head and plotting something on the side.

I don't know what that means and by whom she is forgiven. But I can see Jack going easy on her eventually because Marco trauma. But I'm sure he'll flip out first. 

I just don't see this being set up as Philly against Jack. 

[DivaT]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

Sympathy for the cheaters? Nah. Jack losing it will be emotional payoff FOR the viewers. Lol.

If Job killed these fuckers it would be understandable, not sure how an "unhinged" Jack would be OOC or not root worthy himself.

In any case, this isn't about Philly for me either. I just want to see Peter the Magnificent slay.

(Also GT let slip in one of her interviews that Phyllis is forgiven, so...)

Not root worthy? Hmmm, see Neil's revenge story. That has destroyed his character.  With Pratt's pen, who knows how low they'll take an unhinged Jack. 

 

Which interview did GT say this? 

Edited September 10, 2016 by DivaT

[miamama]

9 minutes ago, DivaT said:

Not root worthy? Hmmm, see Neil's revenge story. That has destroyed his character.  With Pratt's pen, who knows how low they'll take an unhinged Jack. 

 

Which interview did GT say this? 

Neil and Hilary were together for two weeks before their hot dog stand wedding. Hilary and Devon were already flirtatious prior to Neil's wedding and had "fans." Then Neil knew about their affair and faked being blind for weeks before confronting them. ALL this before his revenge plot.

Also Neil isn't destroyed. Aren't the Winters all happy and loving? ;)

Jack could have them tied up and tortured. IDGAF. Just want to see PB get to react, finally.

Edited September 10, 2016 by miamama

[DivaT]

Just now, miamama said:

Neil and Hilary were together for two weeks before their hot dog stand wedding. Hilary and Devon were already flirtatious prior to Neil's wedding and had "fans." Then Neil knew about their affair and faked being blind for weeks before confronting them. ALL this before his revenge plot.

Also Neil isn't destroyed. Aren't the Winters all happy and loving? ;)

So what you're saying is Jack setting billy up to be drugged and raped then stalking phyllis/Billy on a trip to show phyllis the said rape then having some horrific accident occur where he keeps her comatose body hidden for months to let billy be blamed for her murder would go over much better with Jack cause phack are a long term couple and Philly has no fans? I can't say I agree. Lol

 

Just because the writers write something doesn't mean fans buy it. Winters being kumbaya onscreen now doesn't mean fans have forgiven Neil for what he did or even give a shit about his character now or their family relationships. 

 

I just hope they don't take Jack too far. 

[miamama]

Just now, DivaT said:

So what you're saying is Jack setting billy up to be drugged and raped then stalking phyllis/Billy on a trip to show phyllis the said rape then having some horrific accident occur where he keeps her comatose body hidden for months to let billy be blamed for her murder would go over much better with Jack cause phack are a long term couple and Philly has no fans? I can't say I agree. Lol

 

Just because the writers write something doesn't mean fans buy it. Winters being kumbaya onscreen now doesn't mean fans have forgiven Neil for what he did or even give a shit about his character now or their family relationships. 

 

I just hope they don't take Jack too far. 

Neil's an asshole. We agree. Haha.

Let's see what plays out with my Jack then talk. :)

[HeatLifer]

3 hours ago, DivaT said:

I just hope they don't take Jack too far. 

I feel like if they do, it's obvious they would just be doing it to make Philly happen. I just wouldn't buy it. And I wouldn't blame Jack's character for an agenda.

[DivaT]

5 hours ago, miamama said:

Neil's an asshole. We agree. Haha.

Let's see what plays out with my Jack then talk. :)

Neil is more than just an asshole. He's the kind of man who would intentionally hurt a woman because she broke up with him for another man. Every woman's worst nightmare. I'm not sure what the writers were thinking they were doing with that story but it played out like a Lifetime Original. The stalking, fantasizing about hurting hilary (and Devon), physical intimidation, verbal abuse, etc. It was very scary. Then to bring her back saying she was in love with him was one thing. But to have it because of memory loss and for him to sleep with her knowing fully well that she would only do so because of her altered mental state which he was an indirect cause  of was rape.  Yet, they'd never call it such.  But in my eyes, Neil Winters is a rapist. Pratt is one of the most irresponsible writers I've ever known. 

[DivaT]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I feel like if they do, it's obvious they would just be doing it to make Philly happen. I just wouldn't buy it. And I wouldn't blame Jack's character for an agenda.

Agreed and I wouldn't either. But the average viewer doesn't watch the show like we do. They follow the writing wherever it may go and are very easily manipulated. 

[Capricasix]

I don't have any faith that TIIC will let Jack have the reaction that he deserves, considering how he/they let Victor get away with having him drugged and held prisoner for months without so much as a punch in the face.

[Toomuchsoap]

19 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

What!?!? Hopefully Jack is just screwing with her head and plotting something on the side.

I certainly hope not! Jack's allowed to be as violent in his eruption as he wants (short of physical violence to Phyllis). What he does to Billy is another matter altogether. I don't want him plotting like a snake in the grass for vengeance. That's all Victurd territory. Sometimes it's just better to say one's piece and just turn one's back and walk away. If I were in Jack's shoes, I couldn't forgive either of them. I'm like that with people who betray me. But I can support Jack if he decides to forgive Phyllis. Billy's another matter. THAT'S something that would cause me to totally cast a family member off if they pulled what he did, and I absolutely believe that this is Billy's fault. All of it. Sure, Phyllis strayed. That's her nature and Jack's walked away from her before when he felt he couldn't win the fight against Nick for her back in the day because she was plainly wanting to be with him. In this case, his selfish little brother, the dick, stalked his wife repeatedly. Phyllis was emotionally and psychologically damaged, and any decent human being wouldn't have moved on someone like her. More than that, though, is the simple fact that she is the wife of this dick's brother, who had just undergone similar treatment by Turd as she had. Billy's own disgusting, entitled quest for adolescent payback made him hone in on a woman having difficulty grappling with essentially a PTSD reaction to what had been done to her, as had his own BROTHER whom he chose to victimize too! What a worthless piece of shit. Jack has my permission to beat the hell out of him, put him in a tow sack with another bag of anvils tied to his neck, and drop him in the middle of Lake Michigan.

I won't even pretend to know what happens or how the writers are going to handle this, but there aren't a handful of viewers that would EVER support and rally 'round Philly Happily Ever After after all this because JT's not hot enough to ever make that even a remote possibility. Angels would as soon fly out of my ass as that could happen! 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[miamama]

11 minutes ago, Toomuchsoap said:

I certainly hope not! Jack's allowed to be as violent in his eruption as he wants (short of physical violence to Phyllis). What he does to Billy is another matter altogether. I don't want him plotting like a snake in the grass for vengeance. That's all Victurd territory. Sometimes it's just better to say one's piece and just turn one's back and walk away. If I were in Jack's shoes, I couldn't forgive either of them. I'm like that with people who betray me. But I can support Jack if he decides to forgive Phyllis. Billy's another matter. THAT'S something that would cause me to totally cast a family member off if they pulled what he did, and I absolutely believe that this is Billy's fault. All of it. Sure, Phyllis strayed. That's her nature and Jack's walked away from her before when he felt he couldn't win the fight against Nick for her back in the day because she was plainly wanting to be with him. In this case, his selfish little brother, the dick, stalked his wife repeatedly. Phyllis was emotionally and psychologically damaged, and any decent human being wouldn't have moved on someone like her. More than that, though, is the simple fact that she is the wife of this dick's brother, who had just undergone similar treatment by Turd as she had. Billy's own disgusting, entitled quest for adolescent payback made him hone in on a woman having difficulty grappling with essentially a PTSD reaction to what had been done to her, as had his own BROTHER whom he chose to victimize too! What a worthless piece of shit. Jack has my permission beat the hell out of him, put him in a tow sack with another bag of anvils tied to his neck and drop him in the middle of Lake Michigan.

I won't even pretend to know what happens or how the writers are going to handle this, but there aren't a handful of viewers that would EVER support and rally 'round Philly Happily Ever After after all this because JT's not hot enough to ever make that even a remote possibility. Angels would as soon fly out of my ass as that could happen! 

Love this post! I agree that Jack needs to flip out immediately and loudly and dramatically. I'm not a big fan of quiet long-term revenge for Jack because it's always always always set up for him to LOSE. I just want him to be finished with Billy forever -- after beating the shit out of him. BM's Billy hardly had scenes with Jill. So this Billy can have nothing to do with the Abbotts henceforth. Let him hang with mommy and Cane.

Phyllis needs to see and hear the hurt she's caused Jack after months of treating him like a piece of shit and for focusing only on her own suffering. 

Jack has not been allowed to even be upset, let alone angry since the Marco crap. It's ludicrous. I want to see big ass raging.

1 hour ago, Capricasix said:

I don't have any faith that TIIC will let Jack have the reaction that he deserves, considering how he/they let Victor get away with having him drugged and held prisoner for months without so much as a punch in the face.

I have some hope it'll be different because of a new EP. But I also wouldn't be shocked if it's a big disappointment.

I meant to add earlier, I don't like how Ashley seems to be keeping Billy's secret from Jack in that promo. That's a lot of bullshit right there. Also I don't buy JT's Billy as her brother, so it's really not going to work to see her "torn between her brothers."

[NinjaPenguins]

After years of watching Ashley choose Victor over Jack, it would sadly not surprise me to see her choose Billy too. But you ain't lying about Billy not seeming like her brother; he doesn't even strike me as a convincing Abbott.

[PatsyandEddie]

To her credit, Ashley did look like she wanted to vomit. I don't see her as choosing Billy, more like she doesn't want to gut  Jackie. That's an explanation I can buy.

[miamama]

Interview with Peter Bergman.

Peter teased on the upcoming reveal: “It’s very powerful stuff … the audience gets its just rewards for waiting patiently for Jack to figure things out.”  When asked, “Will Jack wreak havoc on everyone who wronged him?”  Bergman simply replied, “It’s not going to be pretty! Jack’s not handling it terribly well."

[HeatLifer]

My rewards will come when Jack actually finds out the REAL truth about Billy. How Billy relentlessly tried to get Phyllis into bed with no regards to his brother. This show can spare me the love nonsense.

Edited September 14, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

5 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

My rewards will come when Jack actually finds out the REAL truth about Billy. How Billy relentlessly tried to get Phyllis into bed with no regards to his brother. This show can spare me the love nonsense.

I think Jack will go ballistic on Billy. He knows Phyllis was messed up and traumatized and Billy thought this was a great time to fuck her. I don't know how he doesn't kill Billy for that alone. He won't be able to go ballistic on Phyllis. He'll show his hurt and no doubt rage at her (especially for all the zillion fucking lies) but he will save the punishing rage for Billy IMO. This story has to respect that Phyllis was raped now that they've used that as her impetus for cheating. 

[HeatLifer]

7 minutes ago, miamama said:

I think Jack will go ballistic on Billy. He knows Phyllis was messed up and traumatized and Billy thought this was a great time to fuck her. I don't know how he doesn't kill Billy for that alone. He won't be able to go ballistic on Phyllis. He'll show his hurt and no doubt rage at her (especially for all the zillion fucking lies) but he will save the punishing rage for Billy IMO. This story has to respect that Phyllis was raped now that they've used that as her impetus for cheating. 

I guess what I'm asking is will Jack ever even know how far Billy went to make all this happen? Both Billy and Phyllis could just say, "Oh, we were bonding and then we slept together and it's love! It's mutual!" Jack could potentially never find out that Billy was following Phyllis around, IN her face, daring her to screw him.

Edited September 14, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

I guess what I'm asking is will Jack ever even know how far Billy went to make all this happen? Both Billy and Phyllis could just say, "Oh, we were bonding and then we slept together and it's love! It's mutual!" Jack could potentially never find out that Billy was following Phyllis around, IN her face, dating her to screw him.

Right. I would hope at the very least Jack recalls the taunting that Billy was doing and the marital advice (divorce her, Jack). 

I am very very curious to see how Billy responds to Jack's hurt. He insisted to mommy that he was willing to go public and take what was coming, including Jack punching him. How about considering the PAIN Jack would experience from this, asshole? He's still so fucking focused on himself. What he will endure. RME. I want to see him feel badly for Jack's suffering. And I don't expect we will. 

I'm just glad to see that Jack will handle it badly. He needs to handle something badly for awhile. 

[Artsda]

Wonder if Jack will fall off the wagon. This on top of just losing Adam, the person who helped him get clean. I wish Adam was still around for this, ut to see someone go after Billy for Jack's behalf. 

[HeatLifer]

23 minutes ago, miamama said:

I want to see him feel badly for Jack's suffering. And I don't expect we will. 

What's going to make me sick is Billy defending himself and saying crap like, "I was there for her! You didn't give her what she needed!" I'd hope the show would know better, but yeah.

[miamama]

43 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

What's going to make me sick is Billy defending himself and saying crap like, "I was there for her! You didn't give her what she needed!" I'd hope the show would know better, but yeah.

I don't know. It seems to me the show has dropped all that garbage. Phyllis made it clear she pushed Jack away and that he was completely innocent and also a victim. He admitted he needed to pretend everything was all right and owned that. But she still recognizes she's the one who fucked up. She betrayed Jack.

What I fear is somewhere down the road Jack thanks Billy for being there for Phyllis. lol. 

[jewel21]

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Wonder if Jack will fall off the wagon. This on top of just losing Adam, the person who helped him get clean. I wish Adam was still around for this, ut to see someone go after Billy for Jack's behalf. 

This.

And I want to see JH`s pretty little face again.

[nkotb]

I gave up regularly watching Y&R several months ago, partially because of time-constraints, & partially because it just sucked hard (I still followed this board because you all are way better than the show!), but hearing that Jack is finding out about Philly, & PB is apparently going to get the chance to teach an acting seminar on "how to convey hurt/anger/betrayal simultaneously", as well as rock what I'm sure will be his Emmy-bait, I'm in for this. Thanks for the heads-up! 

Edited September 14, 2016 by nkotb

[Toomuchsoap]

13 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

What's going to make me sick is Billy defending himself and saying crap like, "I was there for her! You didn't give her what she needed!" I'd hope the show would know better, but yeah.

What has me alarmed was that on the US show yesterday (Tuesday), they had Jill, on the sofa with her back to Billy say, "Ahhhh, Billy, 'he's in love with her'", which definitely makes me think the showrunners are expecting the viewers are going to be rooting for this vile Phelps-creation - FrankenBilly - simply because he fucked around and fell in love with Phyllis. Somebody STILL DOESN'T FUCKING GET IT! He doesn't GET to fall in love with his brother's damn wife! You can't screw the wife of your brother, crap on your family member then get everybody's approval for having done so simply because, "AW you 'fell in love with her'!!!!!

I don't know what the hell makes TPTB at CBS/Sony think that more than a thimble-full of people give a rat's ass about Thompson's Billy Abbott. He's NOT FUCKING BILLY ABBOTT in any way, shape or form. Zilch. Nada. Zero. JT may be a perfectly charming and decent guy, but he has absolutely zero charm or panache in this role. The real Billy Abbott was a shiftless, lazy (both physically and intellectually) playboy, but he wasn't an asshole. There was still a lovable, charmer under all that mess, and it had as much to do with the writing for the character as it did the actor who portrayed him (the best). The character, as I've stated, is now the vilest representation of the old, nasty Adam that was created during MAB's run. She put that largely aside and retooled the character, but not radically  (and I'm not talking about the changes Phelps made to the purse-toting one in her unfortunate era either, which took all the danger and calculating planner straight out of him, to the character's detriment IMO).

Billy Abbott - the real one before Phelps got her temporary way to cast JT -was killed when Noah backed over him and this character, straight out of the XF-Files a la Kricek or one of the black eye-goo-floating alien shapeshifters, is NOT Billy Abbot, but Thompson is (trying and miserably) failing to reach for in his performance (which is not much of a reach as it turns out seemingly). This guy isn't Billy and he should have been cast as a new character whom they could write as much of an asshole, turd-eating piece of walking human scum as they've turned him into.

My husband, whose pretty neutral about actors, despises JT as much as most of us do, which is saying a lot. And it ain't the actor that's the problem (though it frankly IS in my never to be humble opinion). Even a POS character can be portrayed with a little panache and charm (TL as the old Jack is a prime example of that, and PB made him work too, and TPTB need to give him his edge back but STAT!). Thompson's not bringing any of that or any other redeeming quality, and if there's truly somebody who thinks that this guy is going to get the hearts racing of the demos they're going for better realize it soon. Spouse said it yesterday, they gotta either kill this character off or write him out for an extended period and bring the character back when they can bag BM or somebody like him to play him and turn him back into the character he once was. Maybe they need to send him to Tibet and befriend the Dahli Lama like Brad Pitt's character in Seven Years in Tibet, who was about as cold, calculating, selfish and contemptible a guy as could have been written. In the beginning. By the end of the film, the character was a good man, but it "took a village" and a much better child-man to make him one.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[miamama]

I think TPTB have no particular love for JT. But I do think they have zero interest in either recasting Billy or "killing" off or sending off another male in that age bracket. (JT is benefiting from JH's departure IMO.)

I also think they want to put Philly behind them. Phack is being fixed with the PTSD angle. And so in order for Billy to look less hateful than he does show is pushing the love angle. I mean sure Jill acknowledged he "really loves Phyllis" but she's still pushing for Villy, so why have her "realize" it except to salvage the Billy character. Phyllis has now figured out he was her temporary fix. Billy is licking his wounds and will suffer - Jack will flip out on him and so will Ashley. That will be the start of his redemption not because JT matters one whit but because this story has made a mess of characters and show needs to fix it.

I also think that's what JT meant when he asked fans to give him "3 months" - with tape head he might have been a bit off. But it's close.

Edited September 14, 2016 by miamama

[miamama]

Spoiler

Jack plots revenge against those who betrayed him. Warns Jill to watch her back. 

Fuck yeah!

Jack is back.

[HeatLifer]

23 minutes ago, miamama said:

I also think they want to put Philly behind them.

I wish I was with you on this, but I'm still not convinced. :/ Because I can also see them allowing for Jack to go crazy and then ultimately realizing he needs to stop and Philly are in love and there's nothing he can do about it. I don't trust this show to actually write this properly. And I've already seen what they deem important to promote.

[miamama]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I wish I was with you on this, but I'm still not convinced. :/ Because I can also see them allowing for Jack to go crazy and then ultimately realizing he needs to stop and Philly are in love and there's nothing he can do about it. I don't trust this show to actually write this properly. And I've already seen what they deem important to promote.

Yeah, you may be right actually. At least Jack gets POV now. And he can have edge. 

The "reveal" tomorrow should offer clues.

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

Yeah, you may be right actually. At least Jack gets POV now. And he can have edge. 

The "reveal" tomorrow should offer clues.

I want Jack to make them all miserable and then be free of Phyllis and Billy in scenes for at least a year. That is my greedy desire that I probs won't get, lol.

[miamama]

Yeah. The more I think about it the more you're probably right re: Philly. They'll end up together after "suffering"

The PTSD just makes Phyllis less vile.

Because you're right about how they are promoted.

Just give me real Jack again. And I'll FF the cheaters.

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, miamama said:

Yeah. The more I think about it the more you're probably right re: Philly. They'll end up together after "suffering"

The PTSD just makes Phyllis less vile.

Because you're right about how they are promoted.

Just give me real Jack again. And I'll FF the cheaters.

See, and that's what they're doing. They're making Phyllis and Billy look good after spending months making them so completely shitty and uncaring. So if Phyllis was traumatized this entire time, wouldn't Billy be pure crap for essentially following her around and trying to sleep with her and getting her to leave her husband? No, of course not, because it's just all ~love~ now. I see them salvaging Philly and making them victims while Jack now goes crazy. 'Cause he's not going crazy on cheaters now. He's going crazy on a PTSD victim and his poor, poor brother who holds Phyllis in his heart. This is why I was asking if Jack will ever really find out how it REALLY went down.

We will see.

[miamama]

5 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

See, and that's what they're doing. They're making Phyllis and Billy look good after spending months making them so completely shitty and uncaring. So if Phyllis was traumatized this entire time, wouldn't Billy be pure crap for essentially following her around and trying to sleep with her and getting her to leave her husband? No, of course not, because it's just all ~love~ now. I see them salvaging Philly and making them victims while Jack now goes crazy. 'Cause he's not going crazy on cheaters now. He's going crazy on a PTSD victim and his poor, poor brother who holds Phyllis in his heart. This is why I was asking if Jack will ever really find out how it REALLY went down.

We will see.

Got it. Sigh

[HeatLifer]

7 minutes ago, miamama said:

Got it. Sigh

I hope I'm 100% wrong, btw. But I can't help but take this show's obvious obsession with all things Philly, and the actors, into account.

Edited September 14, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

I hope I'm 100% wrong, btw. But I can't help but take this show's obvious obsession with all things Philly, including the actors, into account.

I find it so impossible to believe anyone would think JT is fire that I simply refuse to accept it, lol. But I'm always wrong about show. 

Now I'm thinking Jack will push Philly together with his revenge plot. Jesus. Must stop speculating. Gah.

He will probably pretend to forgive Phyllis. As fun as that would be, if it leads to Philly love???? Noooooooo

[miamama]

One more thing. Would they really redo the stupid as fuck Neil revenge story - which this would be???! I can't believe it. 

Which means they would.

I knew I'd regret watching again. 

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, miamama said:

One more thing. Would they really redo the stupid as fuck Neil revenge story - which this would be???! I can't believe it. 

Which means they would.

I knew I'd regret watching again. 

To make Philly happen, yes. They know the way to make that work is to either make Jack extremely flip out or to make Jack ultimately accept them together.

[boes]

Ahhh, So it's Love for the ButtBiscuit, is it? ....or as show calls it, Lurvvv, or Lubbb, depending on which speech or mental impediment the person has.

Let's look at love Genoa City style.

Nicole, who has sacrificed what few brain cells she had (to be fair, not that big of a loss) and every single shred of dignity.   She now has less class and fewer standards than she did as a stripper.  Beautiful.

Abby, whose love of cheap pastry has tied her to a walking, talking Cresent Roll.  It's just feels like lub, Abby, it's really intestinal distress.

Victoria, who pines for the man she can never have......Daddy.

Jill, who stopped looking for love at the nearest truck stop and started trolling parole hearings.  Love means never knowing where your checkbook is.

Dummer.....ah....Dummer, who has a BIG heart and is as SMART as it gets, has loved and lost two Teletubbies and she's not even 7 yet, at least not in dog years.

Love is sad......

Dickolas, possibly the happiest of them all.  Women come, toenails go, but there will always be bananas.  And poop tossing.  He knows of what he speaks.  Lurv......

Chelsea, who has loved and lost Adam, but now knows without a doubt she can be happy forever with anything plucked.

As Chuck Palahniuk once said, "If you love something set it free, but don't be surprised if it comes back with herpes." 

Genoa City is for Lurvers.  Or Louvers.....Lubbers....

[miamama]

9 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

To make Philly happen, yes. They know the way to make that work is to either make Jack extremely flip out or to make Jack ultimately accept them together.

Or both. I'm glad Phyllis doesn't say "I love Billy. Sorry Jack." So I don't care if Phack is done. I wanted Jack to kick her to the curb.

But more Philly angst??? With Jack wrapped up in their story???? Fuck me. I can't watch that. 

[HeatLifer]

5 minutes ago, miamama said:

Or both. I'm glad Phyllis doesn't say "I love Billy. Sorry Jack." So I don't care if Phack is done. I wanted Jack to kick her to the curb.

But more Philly angst??? With Jack wrapped up in their story???? Fuck me. I can't watch that. 

I just want Jack far, far away from them in a new storyline after this. Blah.

[miamama]

21 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I just want Jack far, far away from them in a new storyline after this. Blah.

End Philly or let them be together. No one is enjoying the dragging. #freeJack