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Ceeg
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I AM LAUGHING SO HARD OH MY GOD

pennben
pennben

Helen still thinks it is too soon to take out Amanda.

Callaphera
Callaphera

Julia to Liz about Austin: "I really hope you're more loyal to me than him." and "I can't trust him. He disgusts me. I'm not going to be nice to him. I can't fake it."   I think I love Julia.

peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

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Steve just told John they need to stick to the plan. John agreed. Then Steve asked if he thinks it's the right move and John said he did. And Steve was all, "What changed your mind?" LOL he totally wanted John to tell him they should do it. These two are so weak it's hilarious.

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Ceeg

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I figured Vanessa would talk some sense into him. I think Steve is less scared of the wrath of Liz and more scared of the wrath of Vanessa. I don't care what anyone says, Vanessa is very good at this game and is very good at getting what she wants framed in a way that the HGs think it's what they want too. That's why I think DE will be her downfall (depending on who wins HOH) because it eliminates her ability to influence the decisions of the HOH and the voters.

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peachmangosteen

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I really think in this case it's not Vanessa that changed Steve's mind necassarily, it's John. IMO he 100% wanted John to tell him that they have to get Julia out, but he didn't, because he's a weak/passive player, so Steve, being that he's also a weak/passive player, won't do it. They're both just incredibly weak and passive. It's more about that than Vanessa being an amazing manipulator imo.

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Katesus7

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Steve went to John after he met with the twins and had them promise they wouldn't put him up this week.  I believe he even made them swear on their family, whatever that does.  So I think his mind was already made up when he went to John.  I think him asking John "what changed your mind" is just Steve being Steve.  He always has about 6 follow up questions whenever he and John talk about anything.  I find it very annoying. 

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Cutty

Cutty

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I figured Vanessa would talk some sense into him. I think Steve is less scared of the wrath of Liz and more scared of the wrath of Vanessa. I don't care what anyone says, Vanessa is very good at this game and is very good at getting what she wants framed in a way that the HGs think it's what they want too. That's why I think DE will be her downfall (depending on who wins HOH) because it eliminates her ability to influence the decisions of the HOH and the voters.

 

Vanessa is a very good manipulator, especially the minions who are close to her. I can't stand watching her but I've never denied that she's very good at the manipulation aspect of the game. The only people who were onto her were Audrey, Jackie and Becky. She was able to dispose of all three despite not being HOH for any of them. That's impressive.

 

But lets be honest. She's only in the game because Becky screwed up and put her on the block next to Shelli. She would have gone home against literally anyone else in the house. She hasn't played a perfect game by any means.

 

If James is the second boot in the DE, she's pretty close to having F2 locked up.

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peachmangosteen

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I'm good with any of John/Steve/Vanessa/Austin going second tonight, so rest assured everyone they're all safe and Liz/Julia/James will be gone tonight! 

 

I think the most likely scenario is that James will go. I suspect no matter who wins, barring maybe John, he'll be up and I doubt he'll win another veto.

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Ceeg

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James and Meg really should have tried to cut a deal with Vanessa to flip the vote. Even though she has no vote I don't understand how they don't see she has the ability to influence Steve. They should have been working on John/Steve/Vanessa rather than Austin. But it James and Meg, and they'd rather self-evict than work with Vanessa. Which is funny because she's proven if you're sincere in working with her, she'll do her best to protect you.

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Cutty

Cutty

James will have a good chance if it's the clownshoe veto but he's most likely following Meg out the door. I'm fine with that. We don't need another wasted week where he's the easy target.


James and Meg really should have tried to cut a deal with Vanessa to flip the vote. Even though she has no vote I don't understand how they don't see she has the ability to influence Steve. They should have been working on John/Steve/Vanessa rather than Austin. But it James and Meg, and they'd rather self-evict than work with Vanessa. Which is funny because she's proven if you're sincere in working with her, she'll do her best to protect you.

 

I feel like James and Vanessa would have been good together but it just never materialized. And by this point it was too late. Vanessa would have never allowed James/Meg to stay because she knew it just made Austin stronger.

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peachmangosteen

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James will have a good chance if it's the clownshoe veto but he's most likely following Meg out the door. I'm fine with that. We don't need another wasted week where he's the easy target.

 

That's true. With James gone all these people who are aligned will have to start turning on each other. That could be fun, but I suspect it'll actually be boring. John will probably go first, which while I love that because I need him gone, it's very boring. 

 

More than likely, barring a bunch of surprise comp wins from James, John, and Steve, the Austwins/Vanessa will never have to actually turn on each other, which is just boring.

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blixie

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And Steve was all, "What changed your mind?" LOL he totally wanted John to tell him they should do it.

 

It's even more funny to me since Steve is thinking I know VANESSA changed my mind so what changed yours since you have no master like I do? My guess is that John never really wanted to vote out Julia anyway, and that it is too dangerous to be forming an alliance and fucking it over in the same week, at this stage of the game, you need to start ride or dying with whoever it is you decide to trust NOW, and I think he knows how much work V had to do to A) get the Austwins off of nomming him and B) get them to agree that Julia was the pawn.

 

ETA: especially since he watched her go to the wall for Shelli when she was on the block, only to have Shelli not reciprocate and then watch Shelli walk out the door.

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mooses

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I kinda hope James leaves even though I like him because the Austwins versus Stonessa (?) would be pretty entertaining after all this. Austin and his team versus Vanessa and her team, the two best players left IMO, will be bloody.

I guess we'll have a House without Vanessa or James after tonight? And Meg.

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peachmangosteen

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I'm thinking maybe the most interesting scenario for me is if Austin wins HOH tonight. Obviously John will be the nom and target, but who does he put up with him? He has worked so hard on cultivating James. But he'll probably just put up James. But then we have James vs. John and I assume Austwins will want John out but Steve/Vanessa will want James out, so we could have a tie.

 

Oh, who am I kidding, Vanessa will just get what she wants and her and Austwins will continue to sail easily to F4. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

I guess we'll have a House without Vanessa or James after tonight? And Meg.

If John wins HOH I think he'd put up the twins. I hope he would anyway. And if Austwins put up James and he wins veto, John goes home.

I think it could be almost anyone going home tonight except Julia. She's the safest IMO.

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Cutty

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That's the thing though, it won't actually be Austwins vs Vanessa because Vanessa will go with the side that is in power. If James is gone and Austwins win HOH she will get them to target Steve on information that he was trying to flip the vote this week. If JMac or Steve wins she will get them to target the twins. Once James is gone she won't even need to win HOH.


Austin has said he would put JMac/Steve up as pawns with James as the backdoor target if one of them came down.

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peachmangosteen

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That's the thing though, it won't actually be Austwins vs Vanessa because Vanessa will go with the side that is in power. If James is gone and Austwins win HOH she will get them to target Steve on information that he was trying to flip the vote this week. If JMac or Steve wins she will get them to target the twins. Once James is gone she won't even need to win HOH.

 

:( It sucks that I have to root for James to win every comp just to prevent Vanessa from having the easiest ride (ok, not really, Derrick will always win that) ever to the finals. James has virtually no chance at beating anyone left in a mental comp. I hope he's a really good guesser lol.

 

I think the most likely people to go tonight are James and Liz, with Vanessa third. Vanessa will only go if James wins HOH. James will go if Austwins win. And lbr maybe even if John/Steve wins. But there's a good chance Liz might go if John/Steve wins.

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Laika

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That's the thing though, it won't actually be Austwins vs Vanessa because Vanessa will go with the side that is in power. If James is gone and Austwins win HOH she will get them to target Steve on information that he was trying to flip the vote this week. If JMac or Steve wins she will get them to target the twins. Once James is gone she won't even need to win HOH.

 

That's why she has played the superior game IMO. If she survives tonight, it is all lined up for her and not by chance. It's mostly all because of her gameplay. I'm preparing myself mentally that it will be her leaving tonight because the only person she needs to worry about (James) will be the one who wins.  

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Cutty

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I feel like this season has lasted 8 years, btw. There will still be 6 people left after tonight. Can't this be a quadruple eviction??

 

Seriously. Season has gone on way too long. 

 

You guys remember the takeovers? LOL.

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blixie

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I feel like this season has lasted 8 years, btw. There will still be 6 people left after tonight. Can't this be a quadruple eviction??

 

It definitely feels long, I think they got excited because these people weren't horrible human beings and because the "fall season" is barely a thing anymore since baseball has decided playing The World Series in the sleet and early snows of late October is totes an awesome way to play baseball, excuse me that should read make shit tons more money.

 

 

I'm preparing myself mentally that it will be her leaving tonight because the only person she needs to worry about (James) will be one who wins.

 

I think it's most likely a questions comp for the actual fast eviction, and I have to think James is gonna not be super great at that, the next worst scenario is a Liz winning and I think she very well could because she's fairly solid at those kinds of comps, and I do think she's got a VERY good memory she has brought stuff up to Liz/Austin and others when talking strategy about things said or done and I'm like DAMN girl has got ALL the receipts!

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Ceeg

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That's why she has played the superior game IMO. If she survives tonight, it is all lined up for her and not by chance. It's mostly all because of her gameplay. I'm preparing myself mentally that it will be her leaving tonight because the only person she needs to worry about (James) will be the one who wins.  

Yeah, things have gone her way for way too long. James winning HOH tonight would put the scales back in balance a bit.

 

If it's a days comp, I see John or Liz winning. I would normally say Steve, but I have a feeling he's going to collapse under all the pressure, given the way he acted all night/morning. 

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mooses

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Yeah, things have gone her way for way too long. James winning HOH tonight would put the scales back in balance a bit.

If it's a days comp, I see John or Liz winning. I would normally say Steve, but I have a feeling he's going to collapse under all the pressure, given the way he acted all night/morning.

John sending one of the Austwins home would be ideal. They would be so, so mad.

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Ceeg

Ceeg

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John sending one of the Austwins home would be ideal. They would be so, so mad.

John winning HOH is my best case scenario. It most likely breaks up the Austwins, and it saves Vanessa, Steve, and James, who I would like to see all make it through to next week.

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mooses

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I want John to win to ensure his safety first and foremost, taking out Liz would look good in his resume and probably earn him a kid from Becky.

Hehe. Earn him a kid!

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Ceeg

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12:45 PM Meg to JMac in kitchen: You (JMac) or James need to win HOH tonight. I will be cheering you guys on tonight. JMac smiles & says he'll try.

John has actually done a pretty good job at snowing James and Meg. Not that it's difficult, but they have no idea that he's now in an alliance with Vanessa.

 

This is why I wish there were at least partial feeds of the jury house. Because I want to see these people's reactions when they find out about everything going on that they had no clue about. Or like, I just want to watch the entire season of Big Brother with Meg and James. I want their reactions.

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Cutty

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Actually, James called it the other day. Said Vanessa is keeping Steve and JMac to go after Austwins. He was talking to Meg so it's ultimately pointless, but still.

 

In fairness to James he wanted to believe Audrey about the six person alliance but all his allies keep shutting him down. Then Jason got backdoored and they were all Audrey was right before forgetting it again. They lost focus with all their energy being on Clelli.

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Ceeg

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Actually, James called it the other day. Said Vanessa is keeping Steve and JMac to go after Austwins. He was talking to Meg so it's ultimately pointless, but still.

Yeah but using someone to do your dirty work isn't the same as a legit F3 alliance. James/Meg believe that John will put up Vanessa and Steve if he wins HOH. But, Steve and John both view their alliance with Vanessa as pretty damn solid IMO. Vanessa's bit last night, telling them they need to come up with a name, was a great little subtle manipulation tactic to solidify their alliance and ensure neither will vote out Julia without Vanessa's blessing.

 

 

In fairness to James he wanted to believe Audrey about the six person alliance but all his allies keep shutting him. Then Jason got backdoored and they believed it for a few days before forgetting it again.

Yep. If James can somehow survive this DE, I think losing Meg will be the best thing that's happened to him in the whole game. Without Meg to distract him, he'll be able to more accurately observe and reflect on the shifting dynamics in the house. Hopefully, anyway.

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pennben

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In fairness to James he wanted to believe Audrey about the six person alliance but all his allies keep shutting him. Then Jason got backdoored and they believed it for a few days before forgetting it again.

 

And Meg said she didn't care whether there was a six person alliance, and then the other night they figured out there was a house alliance they weren't part of and then.....

 

I believe it was Nashville that first brought up the comparison to Dori's  short term memory loss in Finding Nemo, they just keep forgetting what everyone and everything about the house keeps telling them.  Sometimes, "just keep swimming" doesn't work!

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

Seriously. I'm shocked by how much he seems to think it's the move he has to make. Very strange.

 

I agree that getting out Julia is worse for his game, but I understand his reasoning. He actually sees that three person alliance and he sees an opportunity to break it down. I know Steve likes Julia the best, which is why he doesn't want to get rid of her, but he feels like if he keeps Julia, the three headed monster would just get stronger, especially with the dwindling numbers. But I hope he sees that getting Julia out doesn't benefit his game and it's better to keep the Austwins in tact until he can win HOH (hopefully tonight) to get out either Liz or Austin. At least him and John know that it's the only way to get farther. 

 

I am preparing for an Austwins win tonight, so hopefully I'm wrong. I need a Steve/John HOH in order for things to change drastically. They're also the only ones I trust in getting them out. I'd prefer John, but I think Steve knows it's something he'll have to do. 

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Cutty

Cutty

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There's not a chance in hell Vanessa wants to go to F3 with Steve. She will be selling him down the river about wanting to flip the vote if the Austwins are in power after the DE. 

 

Does Steve want to go to F3 with Vanessa? I mean...he's banking on a bitter jury. Good luck with that. 

 

I don't actually think Vanessa takes Steve to F2 over anyone (barring some miracle and James is there). She would probably even take Austin over him. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

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I don't think Vanessa wants to go F3 with Steve either. But I meant that from John and Steve's perspective, their alliance of 3 is pretty strong. John seems pretty ride-or-die with them, and Steve told the cameras alone one night that he thinks their F3 is great, and he and John will take each other to the F2.

 

I think Vanessa is wanting a F2 with Austin or with Julia. Maybe with John, since she can argue that he's been evicted and she is also the only reason he's sitting there. But I think Austin is an appealing F2 because she's under the impression that he's the next most hated HG after her.

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Cutty

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I think an Austin/Vanessa F2 would be intriguing. I don't know how a lot of the jury would vote, and it would test the theory that a man always beats a woman.

 

Thinking about it a little more, I feel like Vanessa would win:

Votes for V: John, Steve, Julia, Shelli, Becky

 

James and Liz probably vote Austin. Jackie and Meg I'm not sure. 

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blixie

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I know Steve likes Julia the best, which is why he doesn't want to get rid of her,

 

No, he doesn't want to get rid of her because it achieves nothing in terms of Liztin, and Liztin are the real power of the trio, she's the Meg of that alliance: won no comps, made no real strategy decisions, and tellingly is the only one they were willing to accept being a pawn. Julia is the least powerful and threatening of the three, but being seen as the one to have booted her raws all of the venom of the two who are left. If the house had taken out Liz and eliminated that duo from the game it'd be a different story, once Liz had both Julia AND Austin so bonded to her she should have been everyone's #1 target, and she honestly still should be. 

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Nashville

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No, he doesn't want to get rid of her because it achieves nothing in terms of Liztin, and Liztin are the real power of the trio, she's the Meg of that alliance: won no comps, made no real strategy decisions, and tellingly is the only one they were willing to accept being a pawn. Julia is the least powerful and threatening of the three, but being seen as the one to have booted her raws all of the venom of the two who are left. If the house had taken out Liz and eliminated that duo from the game it'd be a different story, once Liz had both Julia AND Austin so bonded to her she should have been everyone's #1 target, and she honestly still should be.

Agreed. Julia's sole significance in the game is as 1/3 of a three-person voting bloc. Her only options for usefulness are (a) as a mouthpiece in that bloc - albeit the weakest - and (b) as a sacrificial lamb to reduce the three-vote bloc to two votes. (b) is the only reason Steve and John were toying with the idea of flipping the vote - and it's not a very good reason, as it leaves the two strongest strategic AND physical threats of the bloc in the House and pissed at you.

My dream night would be:

  • John wins first DE HoH and puts up Austin and Liz.
  • One of them goes to Jury. I waver back and forth on which; Liz the Linchpin would probably be the best overall strategic choice, but getting rid of Austin might be best for my next step to be fully effective:
  • James wins second DE HoH.
Now TELL me next week wouldn't be fun, if that happens. Screw "scamper"; they'd all be scuttling around the House all week like cockroaches in a cheap apartment when you turn the lights on at night. Time to play STOMP!!!. :D

See? Doesn't take much to make me happy.

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Callaphera

Callaphera

Man. Of course, of course, the week that we lose power in our city for days (RIP food in the fridge and freezer) and I have to wait for the internet and cable to come back, it turns out to be an interesting week with one of the twins on the block. Just my luck. I would've had so much fun this week watching the feeds, judging from what you all have been posting. And a wall yeller! I missed a wall yeller! Damn it!

 

Too bad Julia won't be leaving. I'd love to see the Mean Girls Club break up mainly because I don't think I can listen to them on the feeds anymore. Listening/watching Julia and Liz has now replaced Vanessa at the top of my list of people I can't stand on the feeds. Who knew that was going to happen? I thought I was going to love Julia when she was coming in as herself at first. She was all sassy and hated Austin and now I'm stuck with her and her sister getting catty whenever they're alone. Oh but wait, is she still claiming that she doesn't talk shit about people? 

 

Fingers crossed for an Austin or Liz boot during DE. Just because. Or whatever will cause maximum drama. I might have to go back and watch that drunken Vanessa/James conversation where she gets all butthurt just to get my drama fill.

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robertorv

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Wasnt it Austin who talked Vanessa out of the ideal that this was going to be a DE? Crazy to think that could be the reason that he or Liz go to jury tonight. Im pretty sure Van wants James gone next ... but she may be thinking she has time (that she doesnt actually have thanks to DE) to talk John/Steve into targeting James. Had Van remained convinced that tonight was a DE, she would have already talked John/Steve into targeting James for DE. If Austin/Liz get evicted tonight thanks to John/Steve, Austin may be inadvertently to blame.

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Ceeg

Ceeg

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So I guess the ball comp is the first HOH tonight because they just drew numbers. James is going last. I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked!

 

TPTB are trying their hardest to hand James an HOH. It started with the race, then they had the hanging rope comp, and now they're just leaving it to chance. 

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ByaNose

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TPTB probably need James to save the season, right? If the the final 4 of the Sixth Sense its pretty much a wash of a season. They need this drama to last and it wouldn't be that exciting if Austin, Vanessa or the twins won......again, right? IMO!!!

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