Season 17 Live Feed Discussion: Watch People Sleep All Day!

[loki567]

Just when you think Meg and James can't get any dumber...

 

Their new plan is try and convince Austin to vote out Julia and blame it on Steve. John would also go along with this because, "he hates Steve." 

Edited September 1, 2015 by loki567

[kellog010]

I'm not going to blame James for not knowing that literally the entire house was in on putting Julia as the replacement nom with a promise from John and Steve to vote out Meg. However, once the twins find out this plan, James better sleep behind a locked door with one eye open.

[Ceeg]

 

Tue 4:27 AM BBT James to Meg: I think Austin wants to take me to the final two. 

 

I don't even know what to say to this.

 

 

 

Tue 1:16 AM BBT Jmac says he is ready to put Steve and Vanessa up

Tue 1:17 AM BBT Meg tells Jmac Austin and them wanted Jmac to go up next to her instead of Julia. He is surprised.

Tue 1:23 AM BBT (Ed.) John's faking surprise. Vanessa already told him this. 

I'm not totally sure what JMac's trying to do here. I know he doesn't want to out his alliance with Steve and Vanessa, but ultimately, by saying he'd put up Steve and Vanessa, he's only adding fuel to James' hate fire. JMac should be subtly putting the idea out there to break up the Austwins and form an alliance with the singles. 

By the way, I feel like James' and Meg's minds are going to be completely blown when they watch this show, and see all the alliances they weren't part of and had no idea about.

[kellog010]

I have to say, I'm still amazed that Vanessa managed to not have to nominate her two side pieces and got Julia on the block regardless of what happens Thursday.

 

At least the feeds will be entertaining as Meg/James put their new plan into action.

 

If they don't follow through on this plan and evict Meg, I think that softens the target on Vanessa. I think James would go for Austin.

Edited September 1, 2015 by kellog010

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I'm not totally sure what JMac's trying to do here. I know he doesn't want to out his alliance with Steve and Vanessa,

 

 

It is not about protecting his alliance with Vanessa and Steve as much as it is about not trusting Meg as far as he can throw her.  She is the same girl  who run to Austin when he went for broke last and laid it all out. He won't reveal a single thought to her. 

 

If he wants to stick his neck out by swaying James, he can just tell him the real reason why he didn't show Meg his hand. Once burned etc. Why should John be the one convincing James of the obvious? If James needs a map this late in the game, maybe JMac should save his breath and work with the people who are on the same page as him, and won't betray his trust.

 

I'm not going to blame James for not knowing 

 

Of course not. It is Day 72 but he is not here for this game called Big Brother. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[Skittl1321]

Even Austin should vote to evict Julia. It's his only chance to go to f2. 

Is ANYONE trying to work this angle with him?

 

As bad as the strategy in this house is, I doubt it.

[kellog010]

The problem I see with James plan is that Vanessa, John and Steve have already said that voting out Julia only ensures that James/Austin/Liz and Meg team up which they don't want. The plan would need John and Steve to flip on Vanessa and go into a group where they know they have less of a shot of winning with that setup. Plus this plan also involves Steve taking the fall which he'd be dumb to shoulder.

[peachmangosteen]

I think the rise and power of Austin and the twins can be fully blamed on Shelli and Clay. When the others were on to the twins, they formed an alliance to protect them, while focusing on Davonne and Jason.

 

I think at least half the blame has to be on Vanessa, who pushed Austin/Liz into a showmance, even though she knew Liz didn't want it and that Austin had a girlfriend. That still grosses me out. And pisses me off.

[blixie]

 

You can't blame them for trying to think of a way to get Austin's vote.

 

I don't think that's what they were being blamed for, they are being blamed for being lazy and unobservant, case in point their belief that John "hates" Steve and that people in this game should or will be behaving based on their FEELS about or for other competitors (Vanessa's move is ENTIRELY personal, no way is it game). Sure, idiots. I seriously can't think of single moment where John has acted or stated that he hates Steve. Like WUT? He's been playing chess with the kid for a month, they might just  might be FRIENDLY.

 

 

Why should John be the one convincing James of the obvious?

 

Because another person who is targeting Liztin is in his best interest, hell it's in everyone who aren't Liztin's interest. As much as I'd love Van/Steve/John to go F3 together w/o any betrayals between then and now, he'd be smart to make sure James is his side option rather than James doing what he's doing putting all his eggs in the Austin basket or attempting a bro-down.

[blixie]

 

Vanessa has been a lot of things in this game, but lucky is not one of them. Even setting aside the times she's been able to avoid the block from skilled manipulation, I could never call someone with five comp wins under her belt as lucky (3 HOHs, 2 Vetos and only one of those wins being a crap shoot comp).

 

It's even more impressive when she has no social game to speak of, I mean she's not as obviously awkward as John/Steve, but no one can say she charmed her way through a damn thing, she manipulated the hell out of idiots that is what she did! And applaud her for it, especially when she is just as often undermined by their idiocy as the beneficiary of it.

 

 

It's transparent, but she's still here. Who woulda thunk? Not me.

 

Me, I did, well definitely when she survived being up against Shelli, I think that was 60/40 Shelli talking herself into eviction as much as Van talking herself out of it, but that week w/Becky was tough, when she survived that I decided to stop doubting her. Heh.

[Ceeg]

I think Vanessa's biggest hurdle will be the upcoming DE. Because it's entirely out of her control bc she won't be competing and she won't be able to talk her way out of things.

That's why I'm hoping it's a days comp and either Steve or John wins. I want a Liztin eviction for DE because it would be so perfect. They have no time to threaten votes or vengeance.

[Skittl1321]

 

and she won't be able to talk her way out of things.

Certainly not if they use the same "don't confer with each other at all" method that happened last DE.  But if she's good, there is a bit of time to talk.

[Cutty]

I don't think Vanessa is in much danger during the DE. The only one who would put her up is James, and he would screw up the noms. She would probably stay against everyone unless she was up against Liz.

I don't have much hope for a power shift. I'm fully prepared for Austwins, Vanessa, Steve final 5. This is why we can't have nice things.

[Ceeg]

I don't think Vanessa is in much danger during the DE. The only one who would put her up is James, and he would screw up the noms. She would probably stay against everyone unless she was up against Liz.

She'd go home against Julia too, and potentially Austin, if Julia voted to keep him, for Liz. It would be a 2-2 tie, and James would evict Vanessa. 

 

 

I don't have much hope for a power shift. I'm fully prepared for Austwins, Vanessa, Steve final 5. This is why we can't have nice things.

If Steve or John win HOH, an Austwin eviction will happen. Neither will nominate the other or Vanessa. So at the very least, one of the Austwins will be on the block, if not both. And HOH would break the tie.

 

Tbh, though, while I'm rooting for an Austwin eviction in DE, I won't be sad to see James go either. He's almost as hopeless as Meg, and his weird obsession with Austin is annoying.

[blixie]

 

She'd go home against Julia too, and potentially Austin, if Julia voted to keep him, for Liz.

 

I don't think there's any way Julia votes out Van over Austin, not even for Liz, she's been waiting all game to shake him and have her sister to herself, and Julia can argue they are better off with Van in any F3/F2 since they can't actually guarantee they will be F2 together, and Austin could beat both their asses since more of the jury likes him than likes the girls, because Bros are just so damn LIKABLE, fuck those bitches.

[Cutty]

I'd like to see James without Meg. I don't think he's any kind of great gamer but he has been on the verge of figuring things out but Meg is always there to shoot it down. It's really quite amazing how many games she has ruined.

Would Austin vote to keep Julia if she was OTB against Vanessa? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Vanessa has really misted him of late.

Best case scenario would be Steve winning the DE HOH and sending Liz out. The ensuing Austin and Julia meltdowns would be great to watch.

[Lady Calypso]

I was thinking about how things could go for the DE, and all I need is for Austwins not to win. Unfortunately, their chances of winning are pretty high, which means I'm probably going to have to expect one of them to win and have James or John gone. 

 

If Steve wins HOH and he puts up Liz and Austin, and even if Julia wins and takes her sister off, all Steve has to do is put up James, watch Liz and Julia vote out James (but I think Julia might actually consider voting out Austin), Vanessa and John vote out Austin and then Steve breaks the tie to send Austin home. Honestly, I would love to see that scenario play out, even if it's risky. I do think Julia might actually consider voting out Austin too, and she can blame it on it being DE. It would be the perfect excuse to get rid of the Sasquatch in the house, at least. I just hope Vanessa would do the right thing and vote out Austin. Sometimes, I'm not sure about her. I don't want her on the block, though. It would be too tempting for James to vote her out.

 

Also, speaking of Vanessa, I do think she's been playing a stellar game. The one thing I remind myself constantly about is that I can't really judge people's gameplay on previous winners/BB favourites, because they all had different circumstances and different people to play off of. It's why I don't hate Derrick; he saw the situation for what it was and grabbed hold of it. He actually played a pretty strong game for his season. Is he the best BB player ever? No, of course not. But is he the best BB player of last season? Abso-freaking-lutely. Same with Vanessa; she's done a fabulous job, her meltdowns and paranoia aside. She's been the target since Audrey left, but has convinced people to target other bigger threats. That's impressive. And she has won 5 competitions thus far, which is the fourth highest amount of comps a female has won, and that's up against the best of the best (Janelle, Rachel and Danielle....two of whom I don't like at all). She's not misting people like Dan, but she's campaigning, she's doing what she can do to survive and the one person who didn't take her gameplay, Becky, she got out pretty much the very next week.

 

So, that's really why I like Vanessa. For everything that she is, she's been playing the best game this season while others have been lounging around or getting others to do their dirty work. I guess Austin has been doing a decent job, but unlike Derrick, people are catching on and want him and Liz gone. James has also been doing a great job, Meg's influence aside. I like James when he's HOH. However, I can't have him being HOH for this DE. His buddy Austin needs to go first.

[Ceeg]

I'm almost positive Austin would vote out Vanessa over Julia. First of all, Liz would KILL him. He talks a big game, but no way would he ever evict her twin sister. Also, as a game player, Austin would be an idiot to keep Vanessa over Julia anyway. Liz will always take Julia over Austin, but Vanessa is a tougher player and will be more difficult to beat in comps and when the jury votes. Not that I think Vanessa would win over Austin in a F2 situation, but it would be closer than if he was F2 with Julia.

[Ceeg]

I was thinking about how things could go for the DE, and all I need is for Austwins not to win. 

I still think if James wins HOH, it will be a waste too, because I don't see it ending with an Austwin evicted. No matter who James would put up against Vanessa, an Austwin would stay. Against Steve, Steve goes. Against John, John goes. Against Austin, Vanessa goes (unless Julia betrays Liz, which IMO seems unlikely, but who knows). Against Liz, Vanessa goes (maaaaybe James would evict Liz over Vanessa, but he'd have to actually use his brain, and he's proven this week that he's unable to do that). Against Julia, Vanessa goes. Because James breaks every 2-2 tie, and he wants Vanessa gone badly.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Ceeg

[mooses]

I'd like to see James without Meg. I don't think he's any kind of great gamer but he has been on the verge of figuring things out but Meg is always there to shoot it down. It's really quite amazing how many games she has ruined.

Would Austin vote to keep Julia if she was OTB against Vanessa? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Vanessa has really misted him of late.

Best case scenario would be Steve winning the DE HOH and sending Liz out. The ensuing Austin and Julia meltdowns would be great to watch.

The ensuing meltdowns and Steve freaking out, plus a Austin/Steve fight would be fun.

I can't even think who I would like in a F5. I'm rooting for Vanessa and James, but James wants to bro it to the end with Austin - no thanks. I would say Liz, but that threesome has to be broken up. Austin deserves it but is Ick. John's been evicted. I like Julia, but she's weaker than Liz. Meg is useless. Steve gets on my nerves.

[Eolivet]

I think at least half the blame has to be on Vanessa, who pushed Austin/Liz into a showmance, even though she knew Liz didn't want it and that Austin had a girlfriend. That still grosses me out. And pisses me off.

 

Yes, but unless she had a loaded gun to both their heads, that was a choice they each made. I also think it helped rather than hindered Vanessa's game, since I do think Shelli and Clay would've eventually succumbed to the lure of Summer Camp with their good social games, and Vanessa would've been out already. Plus, her matchmaking might win Austin, Liz or Julia $500,000. This has been a mutually beneficial showmance for all involved.

[MV007]

At this point the only two things that will bring me joy are James' hijinks and the possibility of Liz having to choose between Austin/Julia.

[blixie]

My ideal F5 is Van/Steve/Julia/John/James, I like all five of them to greater or lesser degree, and I freely admit John has upjumped himself a ton in my book by merely targeting Austwins and allying with an enemy: congrats Johnny Mac you are the only one to even CONSIDER such a truly bold move. I think I even like him  #2 to Van over Steve for me, even though I prefer Steve/Van or Van/Julia F2, because I think she  has better shot against them, and I think those three had nice relationships with one another for the front half of the game, I realize no one OWES anyone loyalty, but it makes me smile a lot when they decide to be loyal anyway.

[Laika]

I just read a synopsis of James and Meg's big plan to flip the vote this week. After reading, it's clearer to me now more than ever that these two have absolutely no clue what is going on inside that house. 

[pennben]

Yep.  And James needs to be very careful to have Meg present this as her plan, although I don't think he can avoid getting around endorsing it to John/Austin.

[Lady Calypso]

My ideal F5 is Van/Steve/Julia/John/James, I like all five of them to greater or lesser degree, and I freely admit John has upjumped himself a ton in my book by merely targeting Austwins and allying with an enemy: congrats Johnny Mac you are the only one to even CONSIDER such a truly bold move. I think I even like him  #2 to Van over Steve for me, even though I prefer Steve/Van or Van/Julia F2, because I think she  has better shot against them, and I think those three had nice relationships with one another for the front half of the game, I realize no one OWES anyone loyalty, but it makes me smile a lot when they decide to be loyal anyway.

 

God, I so agree with this. If these people were final 5, I'd be happy with any outcome. I'm happy with any of them winning, to be honest. I'd rather Vanessa or James win (Vanessa moreso), but if the other three got to the end and won, I wouldn't be sad about it.

[kathybgd]

I am stupidly watching bbad this a.m. for unknown reasoning, and I just want to say if those discusting twins think they are easily winning the money because of being great strategists, they are seriously delusional ! These two idiots have such a limited vocabulary! It consists of "Ewwwwah!", "Oh my GODddah", "I hate youuuuu", "Jamesahh!", "Steeeveahhh!" among other stupid sounding non intelligent words or phrases. They have NO personality WHATSOEVER! They are only making it to the end because this is the most stupidest bunch of houseguest's in bb history!

[Ceeg]

I am stupidly watching bbad this a.m. for unknown reasoning, and I just want to say if those discusting twins think they are easily winning the money because of being great strategists, they are seriously delusional ! These two idiots have such a limited vocabulary! It consists of "Ewwwwah!", "Oh my GODddah", "I hate youuuuu", "Jamesahh!", "Steeeveahhh!" among other stupid sounding non intelligent words or phrases. They have NO personality WHATSOEVER! They are only making it to the end because this is the most stupidest bunch of houseguest's in bb history!

Calling out the twins' vocabulary while using the phrase "most stupidest" might not be the best way to go about criticizing them.

And besides, the only people in the house still under Austin's mist are Meg and James. Steve, John, and Vanessa all see what's going on. It's why I want either Steve or John to win HOH because I think they'll both draw first blood.

Btw I was reading Jokers from last night and Austin told James he wouldn't put him up if he wins HOH. And James believed him. Who does James think Austin will put up? Vanessa? Steve? LOL

Edited September 1, 2015 by Ceeg

[Laika]

 

Btw I was reading Jokers from last night and Austin told James he wouldn't put him up if he wins HOH. And James believed him. Who does James think Austin will put up? Vanessa? Steve? LOL

 

Which makes me think Austin could throw it. I hope, I hope, I hope. But once they know it's double eviction night, I doubt anyone's throwing anything.

[Ceeg]

The good thing about a DE HOH is that those are usually quick questions comps. And I think Steve and John have a got shot at winning a questions comp over James, Austin, and Liz. Liz would be their biggest competition, if it's about Days. But if it goes to a tiebreaker, I would think Steve and John are better at quick math than Liz is. Though I could be completely wrong. James will probably win it by sheer luck, and Steve will get evicted, and there will be one less person willing to take out Austin and the twins.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

James is unto to something here guys. It seems James got the idea that they could get Austin's vote after Austin told him he is not going to fall on his sword for a girl he's known a few weeks.

[Eolivet]

Btw I was reading Jokers from last night and Austin told James he wouldn't put him up if he wins HOH. And James believed him. Who does James think Austin will put up? Vanessa? Steve? LOL

 

I could see him in a sort of "turnabout is fair play" move put up John and Vanessa because he wants John out badly and he, Liz and Julia have the votes to keep Vanessa even if Steve and James flip. It would put an end to Vanessa's side alliance and they'd all be folded back into the Scamper Squad with James as an extra vote in Austin's pocket. I believe he doesn't want James out -- James is his Plan B...as in B for bro. Blech.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Eolivet

[pennben]

Remember, Vanessa told Austin he should make deals solely for himself, or just for himself and Liz.  I'm sure she's waiting for one of his solo deals to get back to her (like this James/Meg idiocy) to go to, at the very least Julia, with a "reason" to distrust Austin.  Planting seeds everywhere.

[Ceeg]

Remember, Vanessa told Austin he should make deals solely for himself, or just for himself and Liz.  I'm sure she's waiting for one of his solo deals to get back to her (like this James/Meg idiocy) to go to, at the very least Julia, with a "reason" to distrust Austin.  Planting seeds everywhere.

Yeah Vanessa has been doing work the past two weeks, starting with her veto win. Making up with John was possibly a turning point for her game.

 

That's why this DE could go very badly for her. In both the short-term and the long-term. If James wins, she's either going home or she loses one of her allies. If Austin or Liz wins, she could potentially lose John, if they don't put up James so that they can ensure John goes home. Basically, the only way the DE goes very well for Vanessa is if Steve or John wins and evict an Austwin. Or if Austin/Liz win and they put James on the block, and he's evicted.

 

But, I still think James winning HOH is the worst case scenario for Vanessa, John, and Steve. Even more so than Austin or Liz winning HOH.

[blixie]

 

Planting seeds everywhere.

 

Well she certainly knows how to water them! 

 

I'll be here all week!

[Laika]

From Jokers:

 

Tue 12:15 PM BBT JMac wants to throw double eviction. But Van wants to know if Steve would do it (go after twins)? NT

 

Slams head on desk.

 

ETA: OK, maybe he is saying this because he thinks DE is next week. Let's hope. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by Laika

[Ceeg]

From Jokers:

 

Tue 12:15 PM BBT JMac wants to throw double eviction. But Van wants to know if Steve would do it (go after twins)? NT

 

Slams head on desk.

 

I was watching this. He's assuming the DE is next week, and Liz is gone at that point (for example, Steve/John win HOH Thursday, they then evict Liz, and going into the DE, it's just Steve/Vanessa/John with their side alliances of Julia/Austin/James). He was wondering if, once Liz is gone and they employ their 3-person side alliance strategy, if they should just throw it to one of their side pieces to get one of the other two side pieces out.

[Cutty]

What in the world. Why would JMac throw it? He could easily go home if one of the Austwins win.

ETA: thanks for the clarification. I love that they're gonna be blindsided when Julie tells them it's a double.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Cutty

[pennben]

Not that I would ever willingly enter the house, but if I was ever trapped there, I would kill folks who go in/out of doors while I was sleeping in a room and allow the door to slam shut everytime.  It drives me crazy and I'm just listening to feeds, not trying to sleep. John, at least this morning, was the only one to hold the door until it closed, so as to not slam it.  That right there is enough for a F2 deal from me.

[pennben]

So, Austin was telling Liz/Julia a bit ago how it was lucky he stayed up last night because Meg spent a lot of time outside with Steve and Austin was up to keep an eye out.  This leads Julia to start freaking out about being on the block to Liz and saying she'll never do it again.  Austin encourages Steve to go talk to Liz/Julia, which he does and completely promises his vote to keep Julia, so she has nothing to worry about.  They seem okay.

 

I really do feel like Austin would flip in a heartbeat to get out Julia this week, and in a vacuum, I could see Steve or John doing it, but I just don't think that will happen given the work Vanessa did last week.  Maybe, John can convince Austin that he will flip also, so there's going to be a hinky vote out there, I'm just not sure though I can see it happening unless 2 out of the three decide to throw a hinky vote in there thinking it would be safe (which has always been a dream of mine, hinky votes actually change the bootee).

 

I assume they will learn of the DE at the beginning of the show?  I think that would lock everyone into default safe positions.

 

Anyway, if somehow Meg/James were to pull this off, I will eat the words of every single mocking post I've made about the plan to date.  

Edited September 1, 2015 by pennben

[blixie]

Steve needs to do some work on Julia, re: just how easily Austin will flip on her, and that she needs to do it to him first, that she's better off with Van. 

 

Julia and James desperately need to be freed to play their OWN games free of their admittedly self made/contained traps. James has obviously had oppotunities to show what he can do when he's driving the bus free of Summer Camp group think, but I want the same for Julia.

[Maharincess]

Before today, F&G decided to put Meg and James on slop to aid in hindering their upcoming comp performances. They didn't think there would be 4 HNs this week, so Julia and John volunteered. Vanessa would have probably put either Julia/John or John/Steve on slop as the 3rd and 4th anyway. She had no intention of putting her two biggest allied comp threats on slop for the week.

I've been trying to figure this out for ten minutes, who is F and G? I can't think of any house guests with those initials.

[Ceeg]

I've been trying to figure this out for ten minutes, who is F and G? I can't think of any house guests with those initials.

Freaks and Geeks, a.k.a. Scamper Squad.

 

Vanessa and Austin are having an interesting conversation right now. They kind of trying to set themselves up to get out the twins and Steve. The twins need to go for obvious reasons, and Steve needs to go because he'll beat them in a final 2.

[Cutty]

Vanessa telling Austin it might be better to work with James because he would be easier to beat in F2 than Steve.

Not sure I see that.

[Ceeg]

The next couple of weeks could get very interesting, depending on who wins HOH.

[blixie]

Yeah I think they could both beat Steve, and risking a lot against James. I hope this mutual smoke up the ass.

Edited September 1, 2015 by blixie

[Ceeg]

Austin and Vanessa are both thinking of a Final 3 alliance with John. There are so many alliances, I have no idea how these people keep track of them.

 

Vanessa is also making a really good case to Austin in re: taking her to the final 2 because she's so hated by the jury.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Ceeg

[pennben]

Catching up, that was just a fantastic conversation between Austin/Vanessa.....they are definitely circling each other.  Austin pushing to trust James/Vanessa pushing to trust John. They've each given the other so many "reasons".  The surprise DE this week is going to be fun!

[pennben]

Holy Shit! Steve came up after Austin/Liz left HOH, Vanessa openly wonders to Steve whether he thinks it is in Austin's mind that it is good for Julia to go home this week and blame it on Steve.  More to come.....

 

ETA:  Vanessa questions Steve as to whether anyone has won solely by being more likeable than the other F2 even though the other person was more strategic, Steve suggests Ian (oops, I also wonder if she's rethinking Meg/Julia).  Steve also says he doesn't think James is going to gun for V, more scared of Austin/twins.

 

Can't wait to hear followup conversations.  In particular, V/John.

 

ETA:  Sorry Ceeg, we cross-posted thoughts while I was editing my post.  I really shouldn't do that during the day, only really late at night.

Edited September 1, 2015 by pennben

[Ceeg]

Yeah those were two pretty interesting conversations. Austin/Vanessa and then Steve/Vanessa. I feel like the closer the show gets to the end, the more she's able to set herself for a lot of different scenarios and options, because there are less variables. The only unknown is James, it seems like. Austin really sounded like he wants to throw the next HOH, too, because he feels safe with pretty much everyone. Vanessa wants Austin to sort of prod James and try to make him feel safe so that he'll throw HOH too, which isn't a bad idea. She was also putting feelers out to Steve for who will be harder/easier to beat in a F2 situation. She also made it clear to Austin that the jury hates her and won't vote for her in the end.

Edited September 1, 2015 by Ceeg