Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers: Lalalalala! I can't hear you!

[Rumsy4]

20 minutes ago, Camera One said:

That thought seems plucked from the minds of Adam and Eddy, LOL.

Should I feel flattered or insulted? hahah

[Mari]

Is it at all possible that Hyde actually was annoyed he felt guilty all the time, and invented the Jekyll/Hyde potion to rid himself of those pesky guilt feelings and self-imposed restrictions?   Or Jekyll is actually the bad guy, manipulating everyone?

[KingOfHearts]

Hyde seems as though he could be a decent character. As cartoony and over the top he was, he also appears to be intelligent and refined. Jekyll, for some reason, seems more two-dimensional.

[Camera One]

Hyde had the brooding, dark, mysterious, intense stranger quality to him, with an edge of bad boy appeal, akin to Hook in S2.  No doubt he would be more "fun" to write for and probably more appealing to audiences than squirrely Harry Potter-glasses quivering Dr. Jekyll.  

Is it at all possible that Hyde actually was annoyed he felt guilty all the time, and invented the Jekyll/Hyde potion to rid himself of those pesky guilt feelings and self-imposed restrictions?

That would allow him to bond with Regina very well.  

[KingOfHearts]

I imagine in Offscreenville the heroes are seen as a clique and the citizens get tired of them bringing chaos into town. They probably hang out somewhere other than Granny's, unless they're in Snowing's posse. I'm pretty sure August and Lily would be dating.

Edited July 17, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

So will we ever seen Aunt Em's diner in Storybrooke?

[KingOfHearts]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

So will we ever seen Aunt Em's diner in Storybrooke?

Maybe the Storybrooke version is owned by Uncle Henry.

[Camera One]

Apparently, Dorothy's entire family wanted her locked up, except for Aunt Em.

Reading the script and seeing the word "wolfie"... ugh.

[KingOfHearts]

So who will eventually be the one to defeat Rumple? The list is actually a little long for contenders. Emma, as the Savior, is the contrast to the Dark One. She is ultimately the show's main hero. Then there's Hook with his long-lasting rivalry. Though he might have gotten over it, there would be still be some sort of poetic justice if he ended up being the one to do him in. Same goes with Regina. I thought Belle might have been a candidate, but now that he's the father of her child, it's unlikely. Finally, there's Henry. A&E could always pull out that "boy will be your undoing" prophecy and say it wasn't actually fulfilled.

My money is on Emma, but perhaps Rumple's own thirst for power will kill him.

[maryle]

I really not know where they are going with Rumple because the little bit we know of his storyline for season 6 is about Rumbelle.

If they have a real cute storyline with Rumple trying to waking up Belle in the first part of the season, what next ?

Is it the end for scheming Rumple?

Or, Rumple will be back sheming in the second part and season 7, if there one? 

I love much more Rumple as Dark or grey character but maybe they want to give something to the Rumbelle fans too soon.

[KingOfHearts]

Replying in Rumple thread.

[Camera One]

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So who will eventually be the one to defeat Rumple?

In the final season?  I think they will do a last-minute-change-of-heart-I-want-to-be-a-better-man, and he will sacrifice himself for the new baby.  That will reinforce A&E's claim that they are writing deep characters with meaningful journeys, and this will maximize the use of the talented actor to squeeze a few crocodile tears out of us.  Hook and Emma will probably name their first child Rumple.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

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Hook and Emma will probably name their first child Rumple.

Rumple Baelfire Jones.

Edited July 19, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

Rumple Brennan Jones.

[Curio]

Rumple Milah Neal Liam Brennan Cleo Swan Jones

[Camera One]

And if it's a girl:

Regina Cora Cleo Lilith Ingrid Merida Swan Jones

Edited July 19, 2016 by Camera One

[YaddaYadda]

Danielle Nila Cleo Regina Lilith Marian Ingrid Milah Brenna Ava Ruth Grahame Walshette Paulette Liame Swan Jones

The boy names are hard to turn into girl names.

So...a lot of people died on the show that's all about hope. There are a couple of characters that I would like to die, but that's not likely to happen.

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

The Count of Monte Cristo's in da house

I've only read an abridged version of the book, but maybe now's the time to rea it. The Jim Caviezel movie was one of my favorites, even though it wasn't 100% accurate. Edmond Dantes is basically Killian 2.0. The writers really do have a preference for the byronic hero types, don't they? I hope they don't muck this up. Maybe Killian should corner the dude and give him some advice on how unsatisfying a quest for revenge can be.

[Shanna Marie]

I went through a Dumas phase in high school (yes, I was a weird kid), so I'm pretty sure I've read The Count of Monte Cristo. There was an interesting documentary on some cable channel not too long ago (might have been Mysteries at the Castle on the Travel channel, now that I think about it) that told the true story that inspired Dumas. There was an actual case of a man who was falsely imprisoned so that a more powerful, wealthier man could woo the woman the other man loved, and the man actually managed to pull off a revenge plot once he got free.

Ah, here it is from Wikipedia (usual disclaimers about accuracy apply), saying that Dumas saw the true story in a book by a police archivist:

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Peuchet told of a shoemaker, Pierre Picaud, living in Nîmes in 1807, who was engaged to marry a rich woman when three jealous friends falsely accused him of being a spy for England. Picaud was placed under a form of house arrest in the Fenestrelle Fort, where he served as a servant to a rich Italian cleric. When the man died, he left his fortune to Picaud, whom he had begun to treat as a son. Picaud then spent years plotting his revenge on the three men who were responsible for his misfortune. He stabbed the first with a dagger on which were printed the words "Number One", and then he poisoned the second. The third man's son he lured into crime and his daughter into prostitution, finally stabbing the man himself.

Yeah, lots of potential parallels to Hook. Of course, what we'll really learn is that the man was secretly in love with Regina and Rumple was the one who had him falsely imprisoned. In spite of the potential parallels, he'll never come anywhere near Hook.

[KingOfHearts]

Could one of these new characters be Liam 2.0?

[Shanna Marie]

6 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Could one of these new characters be Liam 2.0?

Ooh, The Count of Monte Cristo would be a fit for Liam 2.0, wanting revenge against the man who killed his father (he wouldn't have any reason to know that this was his brother). But the ages don't really fit, as Liam 2.0 would either be around Henry's age if he was caught in the Coradome or older than Hook if he wasn't and aged normally during the 27 years of the curse.

[YaddaYadda]

If there was ever a character I never want to see again, it's Liam 2.0. I like to pretend that episode never happened, not because of patricide, but those flashbacks were very ill conceived.

I like the Count of Monte Cristo, and I wanna say that it's an interesting choice, but the narrative actually fits within the show perfectly. It looks like they might have made a good choice of story.

[Camera One]

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If there was ever a character I never want to see again, it's Liam 2.0.

Liam 2.0 joins forces with Rumple's mother, Regina's hurtful governess, the mean Tinman who bullied Zelena, Belle's second boyfriend after she dumped Gaston, some random person on the street who helped Emma to identify her "super power", the milkmaid who taught Charming how to weight lift, and Snow's, sorry we ran out of time for her this season.  Stay tuned!

Edited July 21, 2016 by Camera One

[Shanna Marie]

34 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

 

I like the Count of Monte Cristo, and I wanna say that it's an interesting choice, but the narrative actually fits within the show perfectly. It looks like they might have made a good choice of story.

Though on this show, he'll amount to a guy showing up, saying he's the Count of Monte Cristo, and there will be a flashback involving him wanting revenge, and that will be about it. They won't go any deeper than that or actually use the story. That might require reading more than the IMDB listing for one of the movies based on the book (which is about as deep as they've gone into just about any of the stories they've used).

[Mari]

3 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

Ooh, The Count of Monte Cristo would be a fit for Liam 2.0, wanting revenge against the man who killed his father (he wouldn't have any reason to know that this was his brother). But the ages don't really fit, as Liam 2.0 would either be around Henry's age if he was caught in the Coradome or older than Hook if he wasn't and aged normally during the 27 years of the curse.

He probably won't be Liam 2, but the age wouldn't stop them.  Your logic would involve math skills.  These are absent in our show team.

[KingOfHearts]

26 minutes ago, Mari said:

He probably won't be Liam 2, but the age wouldn't stop them.  Your logic would involve math skills.  These are absent in our show team.

Maybe, like his father, he was put under a convenient sleeping curse that makes him a contemporary to Killian. TS,TW

As for Cinderella, maybe Lady Tremaine is from the Land of Untold Stories. Perhaps after her daughters disappointed her, she fled there to social climb somewhere else. Or it could possibly be Drizella, who followed in her sister Anastasia's footsteps. I'm still waiting on the explanation for Prince Thomas' disappearance, but since the flashbacks take place when she meets Snow (yuck), that will probably go unanswered. I'm really tired of the flashbacks where some main character meets a guest/recurring one and it's only relevant for about 5 seconds. (Snow meeting Ariel, Anna meeting everyone from Misthaven, etc.)

Edited July 21, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

Cinderella probably stole the glass slippers from the Old Lady Who Lived in a Shoe.  The Shoe was a loan from Puss-In-Boots, who got angry and opened a portal sending the Old Lady to The Land of Untold Stories.  Turns out the Old Lady was actually an aged-up Hook's mother who was Cursed by the half-sister of Rumple who lived in Fake Kansas and accidentally stirred up the tornado that took Dorothy to Oz during a fight she had with Charming's grandmother Humpty Dumpty, who was escaping from Mother Goose, the evil overlord trapping people in the Land of Untold Stories and Hyde's boss who hired Morpheus to trick Rumple into putting the Pandora's box on top of Merryweather's hat which causes it to create a triple portal that will rip any character that touches it into three alter egos but when the stars and a blue corn moon meets in the zenith of the eastern horizon, this will re-merge two disparate identities back into one.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

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Cinderella probably stole the glass slippers from the Old Lady Who Lived in a Shoe.  

I actually think the Old Lady Who Lived in a Shoe was in the show in 2x02. When Charming is giving his We Are Both speech, the camera shows an older woman while he says, "... or live in a shoe if you want to!" and she smiles.

Edited July 21, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

19 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

As for Cinderella, maybe Lady Tremaine is from the Land of Untold Stories. 

Oh, I like this idea. Snow and Cinderella could have bonded over their evil step mothers.

@Camera One, you'd fit right into A&E's writing room with your elaborate scenarios.

Edited July 21, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Snow and Cinderella could have bonded over their evil step mothers.

And then in Storybrooke, Snow convinces Cinderella to make amends with her evil stepmother because, "Look at me and Regina now! Even though she tried to kill me numerous times and separated me from Emma for 28 years, we're best friends now! Even closer than I am with Emma! If we can become friends, surely you and your mother can also be friends."

Edited July 21, 2016 by Curio

[KingOfHearts]

Just now, YaddaYadda said:

Oh, I like this idea. Snow and Cinderella could have bonded over their evil step mothers.

And we'll learn Snow convinced Cinderella not to move out and get a job.

[YaddaYadda]

1 minute ago, Curio said:

And then in Storybrooke, Snow convinces Cinderella to make amends with her evil stepmother because, "Look at me and Regina now! Even though she tried to kill me numerous times and separated me from Emma for 28 years, we're best friends now! Even closer than I am with Emma! If we can become friends, surly you and your mother can also be friends."

You have such a way of making me hate this show.

That being said, if it's Lady Tremaine, the odds are, yes, that's what will happen. 

Ashley: Can we also inject her with a potion?

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

You have such a way of making me hate this show.

Unfortunately, I only try to think of what the writers would realistically do...

[YaddaYadda]

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Edited July 22, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Rumsy4]

Here's another gem from the SDCC panel. Can't remember if it was Adam or Eddy. I don't think this is spoilery. Paraphrased.

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Regina has a group of people to support her for the first time while she battles her other half. 

Edited July 23, 2016 by Rumsy4

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Regina has a group of people to support her for the first time while she battles her other half. 

Yeah, I caught that. The first time? This has been going on since Season 3, and even parts of Season 2.

[Camera One]

Well, all those other times, the meanies were only partly supportive.  Like when they all held hands and prepared to die so Regina would keep her soul-mate.  

So that means, once again, we're going to hammered over the head with Emma, Henry, Snow, heck probably Grumpy, etc. re-iterating how much they're supporting Regina and believe in her and on her side.

[KingOfHearts]

Let's play a game - what's something A&E could retcon in the most ridiculous way possible? Brennan's death. See, Regina paid him to fake it. Liam 2.0 was a fake-out to make Hook angry enough to kill his father. As for the actual murder, Regina enchanted Brennan's clothing so it only looked like he was stabbed in the gut. He falls over but we never actually see his dead, lifeless body. But he actually did care about Hook, so that's why he urged him to change. He knew he was probably going to kill him. Hook never gets close to Liam 2.0, so it wouldn't be too hard for that child to act like he was Brennan's. 

This is how A&E are going to resurrect Brennan for S7, by the way. Just a crack theory not to be taken too seriously.

Edited August 26, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

Let's play a game - what's something A&E could retcon in the most ridiculous way possible? Brennan's death. See, Regina paid him to fake it. Liam 2.0 was a fake-out to make Hook angry enough to kill his father.

Eh, I figure the whole incident only took place in Hook's head. That solves all the continuity issues -- the retcon that sets things right. While they're still in Regina's palace and she's creeping all over Hook, she enchants him to make him think he's going through all that stuff of meeting her on the road, her assigning him to kill his father, etc., so she can read him to see whether she can count on him. Everything he's thinking shows up in her mirror, so she can watch it. She's worried at first because he tries to sidestep her and trick her, but ultimately, his desire for vengeance is so strong that he goes through with it. Then he blinks out of it, she taunts him about what he did, and it picks up the way it did in the original scene, with her sending him straight to Wonderland to go after Cora. That way, it doesn't mess up the way things were depicted in the original scene and it explains how Regina knew about all that "what kind of man do you want to be?" stuff. Hook being Hook, he feels bad about having been willing to murder his father, even if he didn't actually do it. There is no Liam 2.0. That was just a fear that Regina's spell drew from him. Brennan might still be alive. He might have died a century ago. Heck, he might turn out to really have been Davy Jones, after all, since the spell was based on what Hook knew and believed about his father.

Except that's not all that ridiculous. If we want ridiculous, then it's bound to be yet another story about how Snow or some member of her family unintentionally wronged Regina or some member of her family in a very minor way that's treated by the show like a capital crime. Regina didn't get to attend what was supposed to be her first ball because the roads between her home and the place where the ball was were closed due to a royal procession for Snow's birthday. Daniel found Regina crying in the stables because she didn't get to go to the ball, and that's how they got to know each other. So Snow is responsible not only for Daniel's death but for Regina getting to know Daniel, which means she's the one responsible for all Regina's pain, as well as for her never having attended a ball.

[Curio]

Any retcon that involves reversing Brennan's death isn't crazy, it's the most sane thing to do.

[Camera One]

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Regina didn't get to attend what was supposed to be her first ball because the roads between her home and the place where the ball was were closed due to a royal procession for Snow's birthday. Daniel found Regina crying in the stables because she didn't get to go to the ball, and that's how they got to know each other. So Snow is responsible not only for Daniel's death but for Regina getting to know Daniel, which means she's the one responsible for all Regina's pain, as well as for her never having attended a ball.

"This is the type of writing we like to see in the Writers' Room!"  - A&E

The Snow voodoo doll is in the mail, and we suggest you bring extra needles to the Season 6 brainstorming session.  Thanks!

Edited August 26, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

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Should we start a betting pool to see which episode they finally come to the obvious conclusion of reuniting the Evil Queen and Regina? If we go based on the Season 4 parallel, it will be Episode 20. (We can take this to the speculation thread.)

Because of how A&E write Regina, I'm not sure if they'll take the most obvious route. They may decide to kill off Regina and keep EQ or use some kind of magical nonsense to do something even crazier. We don't really know how the Jekyll/Hyde thing works yet beyond the fact Regina can't kill EQ simply by ripping her heart out.

[Camera One]

I watched the two promos for the season premiere, and they were lame-o.   Warning: Specific talk below if you are avoiding these worthless promos.

First one had the voiceover saying "What if your favorite storybook characters..... .... .... ... went to war?"  followed by generic scenes of people fighting.  They could have inserted scenes from any of the half-seasons so far and used the same tagline.  

Second one... "Enter a whole new world.... ... where good.... ... must vanish the evil.... ... .that dwells within."  Vanish the evil?  At first I though they said "vanquish" the evil or "banish" the evil.  Insert the same generic scenes from 6A.  I don't see how any of those are examples of "vanishing" the evil that dwells within, with the exception of The Evil Queen.

I must say Lana Parilla's delivery of The Evil Queen's "Did you really think it would be THAT easy?" was spot on.  Though it doesn't make me want to see The Evil Queen at all.

[KAOS Agent]

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Did you really think it would be THAT easy?

It usually is. I know they run around doing nothing for ten episodes, but then they find some random item and boom! villain is "vanished". It really is that easy. Then Rumbelle breakup or get back together and Captain Swan kiss.

Edited September 12, 2016 by KAOS Agent

[Camera One]

So do you think we will get more scenes between Regina and The Evil Queen, than David and James?  How many times more?  2x?  3x?  100000000000000000x?

[YaddaYadda]

Zelena's turnaround seems to be extremely quick. I'm assuming Emma with Hyde is about him knowing that the EQ is coming? Also, he seems to enjoy strangling people, pirates, women...

[Camera One]

I know some people are speculating a Regina/Hyde romance, but what about an Emma/Hook/Hyde triangle?  Crawling into the Writers' headspace here, maybe Emma is struggling with her internal affinity towards bad boys and sabotaging her happiness, and now that Hook is "saved", Emma can't help "saving" the next villain with her love?  Especially when she realizes she knew Hyde when he was a child - he was her first love Oliver What A Twist! at the orphanage when she was young.  Together they must face their childhood nemesis Fagin, the King of Thieves, aka Aladdin's father.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Camera One

[daxx]

@Camera One, that's a revolting suggestion and I demand you take it back. :) 

no, I am pretty sure Emma won't be involved in anymore triangles now they are true love designated by the gods.

[KingOfHearts]

I won't be a happy camper if Hook and Emma don't move in together in S6. There was so much setup for that in S5 and they were already planning it. I don't see how the writers could say they want to keep things and slow steady for everything they introduced.

[Curio]

26 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I won't be a happy camper if Hook and Emma don't move in together in S6. There was so much setup for that in S5 and they were already planning it. I don't see how the writers could say they want to keep things and slow steady for everything they introduced.

There could potentially be some really interesting character drama if the writers explored the everyday growing pains that come with introducing a new boyfriend into the family picture. Watching Emma, Henry, and Hook all living under the same roof; Emma and Hook learning about those small annoying habits that you only learn by living with someone; and Henry and Hook learning to deal with that weird line of being a friend vs. a father figure while living under the same roof could last the entire season.

But of course this bores the writers to tears seeing as they didn't even want to go there with Robin/Henry/Regina/Roland, so at best we'll get a 1 minute comedic scene and the rest will happen off screen.

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At least we're guaranteed some Zelena/Regina roommate drama in Season 6...

but why not explore all the roommate issues? Why couldn't we ever explore the awkward Emma/Snow/David/Snowflake situation? The writers always threw in lines like Emma saying "I wish I had my own place," but they never showed us on screen why Emma was getting annoyed or claustrophobic living in the loft. Her parents said one embarrassing line to her after her date with Hook. That's about it. These writers are all tell and no show.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Curio