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S07.E20: Sleeper


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A mysterious recurring dream drives Castle and Beckett to seek answers about the two-month period when he went missing. But their search for the truth has deadly consequences.

 

Thanks for the heads up, @shapeshifter! So we don't have a sort of double post, I am giving you the show description credit and deleting the post below!  :-)

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Well that was lame.   The guy who regularly works with NYPD.   Has worked with both the FBI and the CIA suddenly can't be trusted.   So he has to be secretly kidnapped, presumed dead, missing for 2 months and then have his memory erased.   Just so they can get some guy out.    Because Castle would never voluntarily agree to do it and then keep his mouth shut.   Oh wait, when he does remember, they just count on him agreeing to keep his mouth shut.    SMH

 

At least Castle acknowledged it made no sense for him to take off from his family for 2 months and make them worry.

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That was terrible. And possibly the last we'll see of Amann's work on this show.

You can tell they made up the reason for his absence after the fact.

Also, I thought Jenkins said in Montreal that Castle asked not to remember. That makes no sense with what really happened.

And Jenkins was all like "I can't tell you anything...ok here's what happened."

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SIGH. Oh dear that was all sorts of stupid.  Jesus. My head hurts. So Castle missed his wedding in order to go to Thailand to foil a terrorist plot but he saved thousands of lives so that's okay then. Great. Nothing like keeping it real is there Marlowe to try and make this worth my while. 

 

This could have been much much worse, it could have had no Beckett in it, gives me the chills thinking that.

 

This episode required me to suspend disbelief pretty much from start to finish and I was laughing most of the time, still the Thailand tourist board must be thrilled with the publicity.

 

Best thing about it was that it ended and Beckett and Castle are solid and can forget all about this awful story that they clearly hadn't planned out. What a fucking mess.  

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That was terrible. And possibly the last we'll see of Amann's work on this show.

You can tell they made up the reason for his absence after the fact.

Totally. That's what the meta 'We may never know the whole story' or sum such bullshit at the end meant. Because they don't know the whole story. Asshats.

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I don't know, I kinda like the idea that Castle wasn't responsible for any of it and that he was just needed for his name. It's refreshing, especially because he's almost singlehandedly pretty much saved the world how many times?

 

So Castle missed his wedding in order to go to Thailand to foil a terrorist plot but he saved thousands of lives so that's okay then.

 

I don't think that either of them think it's okay, but it's also something that they can't change, so they just have to accept it and move on and make the best. Beckett was right, it wasn't a bachelor party gone wrong. None of it was Castle's fault and there was nothing he could have done to have had it not happen.

 

If anything, I'm a bit disappointed that that's it. I mean, they set this whole storyline up - sorta - and I don't really think the payoff was there. Especially not compared to Beckett's mom's storyline, or Beckett's shooting, or any other "big" defining moment that they've outlined. It just seemed anti-climatic.

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What. The. Hell. Was. That?!

 

Castle, meet your shark. Jesus, that was awful. I waited 18 episodes for that explanation?! NO THANK YOU.

 

The LAMEST excuse ever. I figured it would be bad, I just didn't expect it to be THAT bad. It's like it shouldn't even exist within the Castle universe. Was that supposed to be the Derrick Storm pilot? If so, I hope that lame show never sees the light of a TV screen. 

 

How on Earth did anyone think that was a way to write that arc? I could've written a better plot in my sleep. Damn you, Amann. Every fear I had about this Castle storyline came true tonight. I am still in denial that that even just happened. CLEARLY, no one on that writing staff had a plan for that story when Marlowe set it up last season. And that makes me so angry right now.


That was terrible. And possibly the last we'll see of Amann's work on this show.

 

Good. And Amann? STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THE XF REBOOT. I never thought someone could screw it over more than Chris Carter, but after what I saw tonight, he could. 

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I was okay with the story until we got to the Al Quada mention.  Then they really lost me at tens of thousands of lives.  I mean, that's more than 9/11.  Couldn't they have made him stop a slightly smaller attack?

 

But it could have been a lot worse and at least they didn't have Castle revealed as a secret spy in his past or something.  And I did like the interaction with Beckett and even Alexis.  And I loved that Castle punched Jenkins and that they confirmed he really had no involvement in any of it.  It doesn't explain what they were doing in Montreal, or about a thousand other things, but whatever.

 

I was getting the sense from Martha again that she knew more than she was saying and trying to keep things quiet, but I guess not.

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So Martha is still moving out and Alexis is in class that's their lives taken care of then.

 

Oh so now they all remember it's a big deal missing two months of your life. *eye roll*

 

Castle explaining to Dr Burke his story made me laugh it was so awkwardly clunky explaining the sum total of this stupid story - it didn't take him long as for that clip it was like something out of the Expendables.

 

I groaned when the licence plate chasing him at the start ending with 47.  I could almost hear the squeals on tumblr and twitter, I wish they would stop this tired schtick.

 

For once I totally shared Espo's obvious skepticism because his expression at the start was exactly how I was feeling as this was unfolding.

 

Amman ticked every single cliche he could find off, dead people with a perfect, clean bullet hole in the centre of the forehead, mercenaries, Delta Force, Russian Assassins,  Al-Qaeda, CIA and of course get that Derrick Storm mention in. Urgh. Seriously based on this Marlowe needs to move on to pastures new pronto and good job Amann is going as he appears to have inherited his pattern of OTT storytelling.

 

I don't even want to try and make sense of the rest of it, not remotely worth the effort.

 

I don't think that either of them think it's okay, but it's also something that they can't change, so they just have to accept it and move on and make the best. Beckett was right, it wasn't a bachelor party gone wrong. None of it was Castle's fault and there was nothing he could have done to have had it not happen.

 

 

 

Oh I'm not criticising them wanting to move on hell I want to forget and move on from this too but this story was invented to prevent a wedding pure and simple and it was not worth the 18 episodes wait to find out what I did tonight.  

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Ok that was dumb. Why must they go so over the top? They threw everything into this mystery of Castle's; terrorists, Afghanistan, Thailand, a Russian bad guy. We had to go through that horrible season 6 finale for this? It really came off as them not knowing if the season is renewed so they better hurry up and tie it all up just in case the series was canceled, and the result was this.

I do have to say the latter half of this season is making it easy for me not to miss the show once it's over.

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All of those teeth pulled and not a drop of blood coming from the guy's mouth or on his shirt? That was the biggest thing that I came away with from tonight's episode.

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...This episode required me to suspend disbelief pretty much from start to finish and I was laughing most of the time...

I think that might have been how we were supposed to react. I mean, its a Nathan Fillion show, and he approves of silliness. I very briefly dozed off at the mid-point (because the title was "Sleeper" and there were subliminal messages thoughout hypnotizing me) and awoke to hear that they found a latex glove with a fingerprint on it belonging to a Russian assasin named [drum roll] Golovkin. Get it? Like "glove?" No? Okay.

I am slightly dreading Espo and Ryan being mad that they aren't in the loop, but since they never really bought the whole story, it would be easy to say it was all a dream.

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As KaveDweller points out they didn't even bother trying to answer many of the questions they initially brought up probably because they couldn't without making it even worse if that's possible.

 

CLEARLY, no one on that writing staff had a plan for that story when Marlowe set it up last season. And that makes me so angry right now.

 

 

Agreed they didn't have a clue how to end what they started that was obvious watching it unravel and Amann was the fall guy to try and write the story to end it, I kind of feel sorry for him because it was an impossible job.

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I think my whole reaction was "huh?"....Was anyone secretly hoping for a real Chuck Norris cameo? At least that would have made me laugh...Castle did have ONE line that made me laugh but the rest of the crap drowned it out...and just like that...it was erased from my memory....

As someone above said, serious suspension of disbelief..That made the RED(Bruce Willis movieI saw this weekend) beliveable...

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Maybe I'm not offended by this episode because I never really had ... high hopes?... for what happened to Castle? I mean, I'd like to know, but it doesn't change the anger I still have about smushing in his disappearance with Beckett being married in the S6 finale. I just didn't really care, other than how they managed to get that episode so wrong. And that sounds really apathetic, but it's not just a storyline that grabbed me and made me think "omg, what now?".

 

This episode was fine. The acting was fine. The were some answers, I guess. But it has no bearing on Castle's character or any other storyline on the show. I guess if that storyline is over ... *shrug*. Maybe I'll feel differently after I rewatch it and catch more of the nuances.

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Can't believe I wasted 45 minutes on the lamest "here's what really happened to you, Castle, while you were missing for 2 months" explanation ever.

 

I just want to snark the ever living hell out of that.  Like; "You mean I was instrumental in saving an old friend, and in the process many thousands of lives, just by going and 'being a friendly face'??  Who would ever want to remember that!?!?"

 

And then they torture us with the "how'd I get shot and other unanswered stuff". 

 

 

If this really does end up being it for the whole thing - after Beckett's moms' deal got a SIX seasons story arc - I will not miss this show if it doesn't get renewed.

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Oh, and maybe I'm the stupidest person in the history of ever... but how in the wide world of WTFH!? does it make any sense that if preventing Castle from remembering what happened is the of the utmost special circumstances, how in the F is it smart to have the 3 people that can easily be connected to Castle be living within in the very same city as him?!?!?  

 

I mean, I just... it defies everything.  I can't even call it illogical, because that would be giving it too much credit.

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Question.  Castle helps the CIA save tens of thousands of lives.  And they reward him by making it look like he'd run out on his wedding and was camping in MA for two months?  I get that they wanted it to look like he left willingly originally, because they didn't want people to look for him.  But once it was over couldn't they have given him a better cover story? Even with an erased memory they could have set it up to look like he was in a hospital with no memory for two months, or kidnapped and in someone's dungeon or whatever.  They made him miss his wedding, the least they could do was try and make things right with his fiance.  Or maybe they should have brought her in on it and had them use their honeymoon as a cover story.  That would have been a bit more discrete than all those headlines about the disappearance.

 

And actually, now that I think about it, I don't even get why they wanted it to look like he left willingly.  Because the terrorist/informant guy said he wanted to meet in the presence of someone well known, so they couldn't just be killed off like his last contact.  But no one would have noticed if Castle got killed off by terrorists because everyone already thought he was missing.  How is that protection?  

 

I am not impressed with the Castle-verse's CIA.  

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The main problem I've had over Castle's vanishing is the man at the centre of it seemed wholly uninterested in this own situation for huge tracts of time and happy to brush his trauma to one side as did all his family and friends. There were no apparent deep emotional scars he needed time to heal from yet the writers expected me to maintain an active interest in this 'mythology' whilst barely keeping the thread of it alive over the course of 18 episodes before deciding to go back to it almost as an afterthought. 

 

The character may say he thinks about it every day and cares about what happened but I don't believe him. Just because a character tells you something doesn't make it true yet the writers thought if they had Castle say his disappearance weighed on his mind I'd believe it but it takes more than simple words to achieve that. It requires the writers to develop the story incrementally over time to reinforce what the characters are saying and give the story substance and maintain interest and they did none of that.

 

One fan said on twitter they wish he'd been kidnapped by aliens instead, frankly that would have made a more plausible story. 

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Saddest thing of all, about this drek?  If this really was a CIA op, they couldn't have brought Brolin for a guest spot??  Seriously.

 

And sadly enough, if this is the last season... too many people will remember this complete sham of a storyline and the complete F-up of the Caskett wedding in the S6 finale.  That (as of now) was ruined for no good story-telling reason.  And only succeeded in pissing off a lot of viewers.

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"You have the best excuse ever for missing our wedding you were saving the world!"   Arrrgh! 

 

Stana Katic all the awards for saying that line whilst keeping a straight face. If that didn't give her pause for thought about the writers and that may be the creative well has run dry nothing will.

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I was okay with the story until we got to the Al Quada mention.  Then they really lost me at tens of thousands of lives.  I mean, that's more than 9/11.  Couldn't they have made him stop a slightly smaller attack?

That's the point at which i wondered if I was watching NCIS.  Or maybe it's all the dreck that's on NCIS has desensitized me.  Al Queda?  That's so last decade. Couldn't they even pull out ISIL?

 

Except for the ending, which was pure awfulness, I didn't mind the episode too much. Such, a lot of it felt like they were ticking off boxes (Martha worries; check: Alexis shows up to support Castle; check: Gates yells at  Beckett for spending too much time on Castle personal stuff; check: Ryan and Esposito believe in Castle but have doubts; check) but at least Beckett and Castle are solid with each other* and it was an okay episode for a rainy evening.

 

They had bloodhounds? Why have I never seen these bloodhounds before?

 

*if Stana Katic doesn't sign for next year and the show still continues, I really don't want to know what they're going to do to account for Castle and Beckett being separated.

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Weak episode. The ending felt rushed. As many have said, too many gaps, and little was revealed.

Was this supposed to make us identify with Castle, as we still have no idea WTF happened that took 2 months.

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I would ask that "if this guy was in Al Queda, why was the extraction point that Castle was to meet him at in Thailand, and not a Middle Eastern/Islamic country??", but then I stop and think that is waaaaay much more thought process than the writers ever put into the storyline.

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The episode was still better than 6x23. Yay?

Both these episodes are lows on Castle, it's like comparing horse manure to dog poo one is slightly better if you get it on your shoe but it's still shit.

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I can't at this ep. This made all of the filler eps this season look brilliant. I think I rather have another Chad solo/Adler ep than get this crappy storyline that clearly they were making up as they went along. The only thing that made me lol was hs exchange student/intelligence guy saying Phil (Mackenzie Astin) is a douchebag. I want to know more hs stories from Faircroft.

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I would ask that "if this guy was in Al Queda, why was the extraction point that Castle was to meet him at in Thailand, and not a Middle Eastern/Islamic country??", but then I stop and think that is waaaaay much more thought process than the writers ever put into the storyline.

 

Especially because I think they went to Canada first. This seems to be the only sequence that makes sense.

1. They grab Castle in the Hamptons, convince him to make that money drop back in Manhatten.  I don't get how this was necessary, except to give Beckett a reason to have doubts.  I also don't get why they had to leave his car on fire to scare the crap out of Beckett.  Why not just have him not show up?
2. They go to Montreal and Castle makes taped goodbyes for his family, knowing he could die going off on his mission.  But then he keeps the key on him instead of giving it to someone in the CIA who could pass it on if he actually died in the jungle where no one would find his body.
3. They go to Thailand because that's where the meet with former terrorist guy is? Or was that in the States and then they went to Thailand for something else?  Because if the attack was imminent and Castle helped stop it, what else was left to do?  And if they had time to go to Canada before going to Thailand why couldn't they wait until after the wedding and skip Montreal. 

 

On a positive note, I thought the end scene where Kate comes in and hugs Castle was really sweet.  And I liked that they made it clear he was not actually going to keep anything hidden from Beckett.

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Weak episode. The ending felt rushed. As many have said, too many gaps, and little was revealed.

Was this supposed to make us identify with Castle, as we still have no idea WTF happened that took 2 months.

The episode felt hollow and I didn't feel emotionally connected at all to what Castle was going through or Beckett even though they were trying their best but the writing was so poor and the story full of holes with many important questions left unanswered and more thrown into the mix. Even the little scenes with Alexis and Martha which I would have enjoyed in any normal episode didn't pack an emotional punch when they should have done. But I can't say I'm surprised as soon as I saw that sneak peek with Castle camouflaged in the jungle dream sequence I knew this was about to get very silly indeed. And it did not disappoint.

 

I guess if that storyline is over ... *shrug*.

 

God I hope so. If they have any sense the writers will forget about just like Castle has and never speak of it again. 

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I am not impressed with the Castle-verse's CIA.  

 

 

Saddest thing of all, about this drek?  If this really was a CIA op, they couldn't have brought Brolin for a guest spot??  Seriously.

Thank you! Once he realizes his alliance with the debate partner (not even going to try and spell his name) was "spook"-y, his first question wasn't "Is my father part of this???" Because that was mine!!

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As soon as they got to the bit about linking it in with some bloke from his childhood school days I was eye rolling so hard. It's as if they decided okay we promised fans to go back and revisit his past hey this will do why not throw it in!  If this was the writers trying to make up for the botched wedding they just made it worse because I had to wait so long for this. 

 

The Beckett hug here in gif form, best bit pretty much.  There have been episodes this season where the gifs on tumblr have been better than watching the episode again and this is one such case.

 

Love the look he gives her here too of appreciation as he leaves.  Always. 

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I haven't seen it yet, I won't for a few hours, but from the sounds of it, it makes sense why it got shafted outside of Sweeps.

 

Honestly?  It should have got shafted on ever 'seeing the light of day'.

 

ETA:  I checked out spoilers for what's coming, and was looking forward to the season (series?) finale and seeing what we could get there in terms of some more 'Castle backstory'... but after tonight's shlock, I am now seriously dreading just what they might put me through in about 3 weeks' time.

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Yeah after this I'm dreading more Castle back story in the finale, yikes. 

 

What also bugged me is that yet again they dip into sci-fi territory with the CIA using mind wipes for an exact period of time as a key part of this mission to save the world, if this was a sci-fi fantasy show then fair enough but it's not. 

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Oh and this episode confirms that Rick has an awful taste in friends, does he know anyone from back then who is decent but dull and not involved in murder or Al-Qaeda? 

 

And let's not forget the friend who got him his start in writing, who turned out to be a wife murderer back in season 2 or 3.

 

 

As cool as the "mind wipe" 'technology' available to the CIA is; I'm more impressed by the "memory implant" abilities they have!

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Pretty sure this episode ccnfirms that I will not be checking out any action conspiracy thriller shows that Amann does next.  I've never really warmed up to his writing and this episode exhibited the same flaws as his previous ones.  The actors did the best that they could, but there's only so much you can do when the story is weak. Just best not to take it seriously whenever the show chooses to go over the top/reinvent itself as a conspiracy thriller be it Bracken or the CIA.  

 

I wasn't bored like I have been during some very rote COTWs because at least this was less formulaic and I wanted to get some answers... even if the tale they were spinning got more outlandish by the minute.  I did want to laugh (which surely was not the intended reaction) when they revealed that Castle's old high school chum became a higher up in Al-Qaeda.  Note to writers: I watch Castle mostly for escapist fluff and fun and I don't want to see Al-Qaeda and ISIS dragged into it, especially when you can't write them seriously.

 

The personal moments with Castle's family felt checklisted rather than strongly crafted, as I tend to feel with Amann's writing of the personal stuff.  But it was good that they actually remembered Castle's family in this whole ordeal.  

 

Caskett was serviceable.  Love the mutual support that's a given by now.  I did really like the "Keep me close." "Always" moment as well as the "never soon enough" hug at the end.  They've really got to ditch the wine glasses as props when they're having an intimate moment though. 

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They've really got to ditch the wine glasses as props when they're having an intimate moment though.

 

Yeah they do, as soon as the camera homed in on them I groaned. It's so predictable and they never finish drinking the wine which makes it worse, there must be something they could dream up for them to do which would continue to respect the process. 

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Was that supposed to be the Derrick Storm pilot? If so, I hope that lame show never sees the light of a TV screen.

 

 

Marlowe and Amann have said that this action/drama kind of stuff plays more to their strengths than the "sentimental" stuff.  Going by their track record of action/drama on Castle, I'm not impressed.

 

CLEARLY, no one on that writing staff had a plan for that story when Marlowe set it up last season. 

 

 

Always thought all that stuff Marlowe said at the end of last season about being excited about the new mythology they were going to do from Castle's disappearance justifying the botched wedding was pure BS and this episode made it epically clear they had no plan at all.  And Marlowe isn't strong enough a storyteller in the mythology stakes ;) to craft a compelling season long arc about the disappearance.  Or he never had any intention to do so.

 

this story was invented to prevent a wedding pure and simple

 

 

Crystal clear that was the intent.  What a dumb move.  They pissed off viewers and likely a chunk of them didn't come back this season when it became clear in the first episode that there weren't immediate answers to the disappearance story which wasn't written well and with no date in sight for another wedding.  Was it worth it?  No.  They threw in this dumb storyine to delay the wedding but then didn't have the brains or the commitment to follow through it well.  Marlowe's always going on about there being plenty of good storytelling left to tell, but it seems to be he likes to delay and put off payoffs wherever possible to stretch things out, be it the wedding or Castle's disappearance addressed only after 18 episodes.

 

I was getting the sense from Martha again that she knew more than she was saying and trying to keep things quiet, but I guess not.

 

 

Me too!  I didn't really think Martha came into the precinct to confess to Beckett that she'd secretly programmed Castle to be a sleeper spy, but my Alias feels were tingling.  I think they did the Martha concerned scene too soon in the episode for it to feel right.  Castle was just getting started going into his rabbit hole.

 

If this really does end up being it for the whole thing - after Beckett's moms' deal got a SIX seasons story arc - I will not miss this show if it doesn't get renewed.

 

 

We can judge after we see how Marlowe delves into the Hollander's Woods story in the finale, but I think it may have been better if the wedding went ahead normally in 6x23 and there was just a season long arc this season about Castle remembering something traumatic from the woods as a kid and having that tie into a new serial killer or something they were investigating.  They could have explored why Castle became a mystery writer and tied it into the COTWs as well, and they wouldn't have had to write a crazy disappearance story.

 

The episode was still better than 6x23. Yay?

 

 

Lol, this made me laugh.

 

The only thing that made me lol was hs exchange student/intelligence guy saying Phil (Mackenzie Astin) is a douchebag. I want to know more hs stories from Faircroft.

 

 

I laughed at that too.  Rare bit of humour from Amann that worked for me.  And that guy was a douchebag.  I liked the debate photo too.  I wouldn't mind knowing more about Castle's high school or college years or the beginnings of his writing career as long as they don't involve him being friends with any more murderers.

 

The Beckett hug here in gif form, best bit pretty much.  There have been episodes this season where the gifs on tumblr have been better than watching the episode again and this is one such case.

 

 

Love the look he gives her here too of appreciation as he leaves.  Always.

 

 

Loved those moments too.  The chemistry was on point.  On another show, there'd be some naked comforting after a recurring nightmare and yet another near death experience, but this was nice too. ;)

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