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Please keep your speculation and comments on the end of Supernatural in the Supernatural Ending topic. Use this topic here or the Bitter Speculation topic for discussion of the upcoming season only. As always, keep Bitch vs. Jerk discussion in its own topic.

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rue721

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OK, that makes sense about using the Discman-type converter as a sort of auxiliary cable and connecting it to an iPod or smartphone that way. If you've got an auxiliary jack in your car, can you plug it into a Walkman and listen to cassette tapes through a new stereo that way?! Then I guess they could continue to listen to the old tapes even if Sam "douched up" the car by putting in a new stereo? Though good luck finding a Walkman!

 

Thinking about it now, they do need to have some kind of auxiliary jack in Baby at this point, because wouldn't they want to be able to use their phones for GPS? Who wants to bother with those gigantic national roadmaps when you can just plug an address into your phone?

 

OK apparently, I now want to know ALLLLLLL the ways you could possibly listen to a Blue Oyster Cult cassette tape in a forty-year-old Impala, sorry guys!

 

Oh and this talk about cassette tapes made me think about the sole cassette tape I've ever owned, which iIrc is La Bouche. So now I'm listening to a La Bouche mix on YouTube and they are AS AMAZING AS I REMEMBER. Unexpectedly wonderful.

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I think if the title is Baby that's fine because that's already canon out of Dean's mouth from like season 1. ..Baby is different because only fandom called the amulet the Samulet.  Dean has long called her Baby so I can live with that as the episode title.

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AwesomO4000

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I cannot imagine still listening to the same 20 tapes over and over and over for days on end for my ENTIRE LIFE. I mean, they're in the car A LOT. Is it always just those tapes or the radio?!

 

LOL again, nothing to do with anything. Just something I find myself wondering about. I admit to volunteering to drive places just so that I can choose the music. I can't imagine if I were traveling day after day with someone who was only willing to listen to the same 20-odd tapes that we'd both listened to since childhood. He would NEVER get the chance to get behind the wheel LOL.

 

Maybe that explains why Sam sometimes gets so bitchy, especially with Dean's "driver picks the music..." rule. After hearing Led Zeppelin IV * for the hundredth time, I'm surprised Sam didn't just strangle Dean and claim self defense of his sanity. There's likely a reason his Lucifer hallucination tortured him by singing "Stairway to Heaven" 50 times in a row. ; )

 

* (I know that's not the real title)

 

Yellow Fever wasn't a favorite of mine, but I'm curious as to why in particular other people don't like it?

I don`t care for humiliation "humor" and that was full of it. Haha, funny cowardice and weakness. Those are the worst things IMO to wring humor from. And making a big joke out of Dean going to hell? Hated that. Not to mention the "haha, you`re dying because you`re a dick" thing. As if anyone who said that didn`t just out themselves to be the biggest dick around. The point they were actually trying to make was so muddled, Kripke came out and clarified it in an interview later. Well, if the ep can`t make it and it just comes across as demeaning your character, then it is a fail.

 

I agree with Aeryn13 here. These are pretty much most of the reasons I hated it... plus a few more. The way to kill the ghost of an abused person was to ... abuse the ghost some more, and Sam and Bobby did this with little guilt? Nope, hate it. Make Sam look like a jerk to Dean? Hate that, too. And while I agree with Aeryn13 that the implication that Dean was a dick was bad - and I hated that - then came the explanation of (paraphrase) "oh, we didn't mean to imply that Dean was a dick, just that Sam thinks / says / or implies he is." Okay, that's not better for me... at all. I hate that just as much. Let's throw Sam's character under the bus for the crappy writing mistake. Sort of reminds me of what they did to Sam's character in season 8, when instead of give Sam's character a way out of the crappy storyline and maybe admit it was crappy, they just let the bad writing stand even if it made Sam's character look crappy instead.

 

So the car episode is probably titled "Baby" then? I hope not. I found it endearing when Dean called her that once or twice in passing but as an official name for the car or even the episode, it kinda makes me cringe.

 

I call the car Baby. *shrug* For me, I feel if that's what Dean wants to call her, it's his car, and so that's what she is. (Like Jayne's Vera.) And it's been more than a couple of times he's called her that. For me, Dean officially sealed me calling her Baby, too, when he complained about Baby being put in lockdown and then "Nobody puts Baby in a corner." (It helps that I love that episode, too.) So, if Dean calls her Baby... Baby it is. Just my opinion, of course.

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7kstar

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The beginning of Yellow Fever I like.  Dean being scared of the little cat is funny especially since it is over the top, and the dog scene when it is such a little dog is funny.  The part of him staying in his car and not able to go up to the third floor worked.

 

Then it falls apart.  It went too far and the ending is a train wreck.  So I only like the first half and kind of pretend the rest didn't happen.  I did like Lilith and Dean moment before Sam saved him, but how they killed the ghost and explained the reason that Dean got picked, well that sucked.  The writers should have come up with a better way to kill the ghost that didn't add to the abuse and a better explanation for Dean being the chosen one.

 

This is where they picked the brother to be the one in peril but didn't think it through...which is something I wish they would do a better job.

 

 

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Maybe that explains why Sam sometimes gets so bitchy, especially with Dean's "driver picks the music..." rule. After hearing Led Zeppelin IV * for the hundredth time, I'm surprised Sam didn't just strangle Dean and claim self defense of his sanity. There's likely a reason his Lucifer hallucination tortured him by singing "Stairway to Heaven" 50 times in a row. ; )

 

* (I know that's not the real title)

 

 

I agree with Aeryn13 here. These are pretty much most of the reasons I hated it... plus a few more. The way to kill the ghost of an abused person was to ... abuse the ghost some more, and Sam and Bobby did this with little guilt? Nope, hate it. Make Sam look like a jerk to Dean? Hate that, too. And while I agree with Aeryn13 that the implication that Dean was a dick was bad - and I hated that - then came the explanation of (paraphrase) "oh, we didn't mean to imply that Dean was a dick, just that Sam thinks / says / or implies he is." Okay, that's not better for me... at all. I hate that just as much. Let's throw Sam's character under the bus for the crappy writing mistake. Sort of reminds me of what they did to Sam's character in season 8, when instead of give Sam's character a way out of the crappy storyline and maybe admit it was crappy, they just let the bad writing stand even if it made Sam's character look crappy instead.

 

 

I call the car Baby. *shrug* For me, I feel if that's what Dean wants to call her, it's his car, and so that's what she is. (Like Jayne's Vera.) And it's been more than a couple of times he's called her that. For me, Dean officially sealed me calling her Baby, too, when he complained about Baby being put in lockdown and then "Nobody puts Baby in a corner." (It helps that I love that episode, too.) So, if Dean calls her Baby... Baby it is. Just my opinion, of course.

I have no problem with Dean calling her Baby.  I have friends that name their cars, I just can never think of a good name, so I don't.  lol

 

I also listen to the same cd many many times over and over again.  True it is a mix that I created of my favorite songs, but I can do it for a long time before I get bored and put in a new CD but it still has a few of the songs mixed on it.  It just depends on which song is really setting my mood at the time.  I will listen to the radio, but if the commercials come on, I go back to the CD of choice...That's what I don't understand.  I get the ipod, I don't like hooking it up because of the time it takes, but I'm surprised that Dean didn't get a CD player...

 

I think that Dean just drives and does the man thing of I'm not lost.  Perhaps he uses a map but with all the driving he has done back and forth, he may just know how to get to most places...:)

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DittyDotDot

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Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I have a cousin who drove long-haul truck for a few years, if you asked him the best route to many large cities, he'd have and opinion. The amount of time they've spent criss-crossing the country since they were kids, I would imagine they have the main routes already mapped out in their heads.  

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AwesomO4000

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That's likely true, mertensia. I'm not sure how much variety that's going to get them these days though. Back when I was growing up, it was different. You got to hear a lot of variety on the radio. I live close enough to Atlanta to pick up some of their stations and in total we get quite a few... and most of them are terrible. At least 1/3 or more are country stations. There are maybe two classic rock stations, a couple of "90s through today," and some current music stations that play the same 30 or so songs of the moment over and over again. Then there's a whole bunch of religious and talk radio stations, sometimes religious talk radio stations. If Hubby and I are going to be in the car for longer than 15 minutes, we usually bring a CD. I've had many 10 minute trips to work where I went up and down the stations the entire time, because I couldn't find anything to listen to. I can't imagine going through the middle of the country where there might not be a town for a hundred miles like they do, because realistically, there may be very few stations to listen to, and I suspect the variety won't be great.

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Omegamom

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We call it "radio-free Eastern New Mexico" when we are driving to see family. ;-)

Though there used to be an NPR station run by one of the little community colleges that we could get, and it was better than anything else we could get.

I'm into Spotify these days, and am seriously considering getting the premium service, which lets you download playlists. Maybe the boys are doing that these days, with their converter? ;-)

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catrox14

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We have heard them listen to the radio pretty often.

Slash Fiction -  All Out of Love " (crap we left this off the Survival game). Sam offers to change the channel but Dean says it's okay and starts to lip sync.

"Wanted Dead or Alive" in No Rest for the Wicked. The boys sing together.

"Shake it Off" in About a Boy . Sam offers to change the channel but Dean says he likes it. Ahhh we forgot that one for the Survival game, too! Bah)

All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1- Dean listens to the radio and it starts getting squirrely when Sam disappears

Dark Side of the Moon - Dean wakes up to the radio and then hears Cas communicating through it.

 

It seems like there are more examples I'm missing because OH MY GODS IT'S TOO HOT to sleep and too early on Sunday to be awake. kill me now.

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rue721

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On long road trips, I switch off between the radio, Pandora, and audiobooks. Music is great, but after a while it just becomes so mindnumbing to stare at the freeway and listen to familiar song after familiar song. I start needing a story to listen to or SOMETHING.

 

Can you imagine the Winchesters becoming so bored on the road that they put on an audiobook? LOL.

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DittyDotDot

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Car Talk,  Mountain Stage, Selected Shorts, Radio Lab and This American Life are very good road trip shows. Like I said, I like to get caught up on my podcasts on road trips. Funnily, I don't care for audiobooks much, maybe I just like the act of reading myself too much that it feels weird.

 

It would be fun to see a scene of Dean driving and listening to some NPR show while Sam is sleeping or something. Or, vice versa might actually be interesting too. The reality is, they couldn't still be listening to those tapes all these years later simply because they would've degraded too much by now. But I still love the sentiment anyway.

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Omegamom

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Dean has replaced them, many times over. When he sees one of his fave tapes at one of those golden-oldies displays of cassettes at truck stops, he grabs 'em.

There must be folks who still listen to cassettes, because those little kiosks are still there, in convenience stores and kiosks...sooner or later, though, they'll finally go the way of the dodo.

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Dean has replaced them, many times over. When he sees one of his fave tapes at one of those golden-oldies displays of cassettes at truck stops, he grabs 'em.

There must be folks who still listen to cassettes, because those little kiosks are still there, in convenience stores and kiosks...sooner or later, though, they'll finally go the way of the dodo.

 

E-bay.  If Dean knows the cost of 1950's porn on E-bay, he probably knows what cassettes go for.

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Do We KNOW that Dean has replaced them?  I was going to say the same thing.  After the thirty year playing, they would have stretched too far to be intelligible.  Or broke.

Not at all.... this would be the dog days of summer, where we sit around and idly speculate on minutia from the miserly bits of spoilers dribbling out of Vancouver.

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There is a convention in Minneapolis this weekend then one in Vancouver the next weekend, maybe we will get some good spoilers out of them.

I'm attending.  I'll give you every rumor, innuendo, hint, actual statements, etc.... that I catch.  I'm also wearing a hamster costume.  Because. 

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rue721

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Sorry, I think it was me who saw the picture of Sam and Dean sitting in the car with that old box of tapes and started wondering aloud about Baby's stereo system.

 

And am now wondering about their hypothetical audiobook and podcast selection. What would it be like for these melodramatic demon hunters to listen to Welcome to Night Vale? LOL. Though now that I think about it, Sam seems like he'd enjoy true crime and mysteries, and I actually can picture him listening to Serial.

 

ANYWAY though, why do you think we *haven't* gotten more spoilers? This show is't usually so closed-mouthed. It seems like they like to prep the fans by just telling everyone what to expect and dealing with the inevitable backlash (from one faction or another) before the episodes actually air. So how come they aren't doing that now?

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Demented Daisy

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I check sites like TVLine everyday and I can't help but wonder....

 

They aren't hiding, IMO I think they just aren't being interviewed.

 

 

People aren't asking many questions about spoilers for the show, period.  I wonder if enthusiasm for the show (possibly as a result of the Darkness, which I haven't seen anyone take seriously yet) is waning....

 

Compare it to last year with Demon Dean and the 200th.  Spec was rampant!  I'm not seeing much "Oh, I wonder what the Darkness is and how they're going to fight it" floating around.  But, full disclosure, I stay away from tumblr.  They might be going nuts there.

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The Darkness really wasn't a very inspiring or interesting cliffhanger, and I agree that people just don't care much what happens with it. If/when it gets dropped after three episodes, I think most people will just be relieved. Or, I will, anyway.

 

Last year, Demon Dean was a pretty good cliffhanger. The year before that, the angels falling from heaven was a pretty good cliffhanger, too. The year before that, we had Dean trapped in Purgatory and hellucinating!Sam left all alone -- I think that was one of the better cliffhangers of the series, tbh.

 

So you're probably right. The cliffhanger this year just isn't great, so nobody is intrigued enough to keep speculating on it? At least not intrigued enough to speculate for months and months. I mean, it's been a while since the season finale at this point, too.

 

But it's still funny that the show isn't trying to drum up more enthusiasm. I mean, they aren't doing much to feed any speculation about it, either. I mean, by dropping interesting spoilers or teasers and stuff like that.

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Wynne88

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I can't stay away from spoilers . . . but I'm usually sorry I know in advance what's going to happen.  So I'm sort of glad there aren't a ton of spoilers going around.  Besides, they play up things, like Demon!Dean, like they're going to be such a huge deal, which makes it so much more aggravating when they drop them so quickly after I've gotten my expectations up.

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Mick Lady

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I'm attending.  I'll give you every rumor, innuendo, hint, actual statements, etc.... that I catch.  I'm also wearing a hamster costume.  Because. 

 

I want a picture of you as a hamster! In fact, I will pay good money to see it!!

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catrox14

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Okay something new from Jim Michaels. They are tech scouting for Episode 5 and it's being directed by Raashad Ernesto Green who directed "Inside Man" ....so excite!  Loved his episode so much.

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Demented Daisy

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http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/08/21/supernatural-embraces-the-darkness-and-the-impala-in-season-11/-- I'd call this "spoiler-ish".

 

The most interesting bit to me is:

 

What kind of consequences will Dean face for killing Death?

 

Dabb: There will definitely be repercussions, which we’ll start to explore in Episode 2. Death is a cosmic being. There has always been a Death. Once he goes missing, it creates some issues, particularly among souls, particularly among reapers. It’s something we want to pace out over the course of our season, or at least the first half of the season, to really dive into that.

 

 

I speculated we might have a Reaper civil war-type event....

 

ETA  

 

What makes the Darkness unlike any other threat the Winchesters have faced?

 

Jeremy Carver: For starters, it becomes fully apparent what the Darkness wants. It’s not just a threat for the boys, but a threat to angels and demons as well. In some ways, it’s a more global threat. I say that and it sounds big and comic book-y almost, but there’s certain incredibly related things about the Darkness that grounds it in a way “Supernatural” does. Once we fully start to understand what the Darkness is all about, everybody is going to realize there is a very relatable story here and a lot of unfinished business for the Darkness side. I don’t think the Darkness thinks that the Darkness is a threat at all. Hopefully, sometimes that is the best Big Bad: They think they are the hero of their own story.

 

 

I speculated something like this as well -- that the Darkness is just trying to survive, now that it's free of whatever void God and the archangels shoved it into.  Which puts Sam and Dean in an interesting position; if the Darkness isn't evil, per se, what right do they have to banish it again?

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The defiant act not only released Dean from the cursed Mark of Cain, but, unfortunately, also freed the Darkness from its eternal prison. In the episode’s closing seconds, the smoky Darkness engulfed Sam, Dean and the Impala, leaving their fate unknown.

 

Warning: incoming mini rant ahead:

 

See I don't know if this is just crap writing in this article or if the author interpreted the events that way or if it's been spun to the author that this is what happened. But NOPE, Dean's "defiant" act of killing Death did not release Dean from the Mark. 

--If it was "defiant" then I need the show to tell me that Dean specifically planned this and intended to kill Death.

--If it was last minute swinging of the scythe to avoid killing Sam because he changed his mind and he killed Death inadvertently on the followthrough, still not a "defiant" act.

--In either case, Sam, Rowena and Castiel were working together to make a spell that Dean had NO idea was happening released the Mark, so there was NO defiance based on that. The defiance could only be about Dean killing Death to keep him from killing Sam but that was not related to the release of the Mark which was going to be removed any because the spell was already under way  The only way that spell stops is if Sam called Rowena and told her to stop which she might not have done anyway if my wild ass spec that she wanted the Darkness released for her own reasons.

 

sidebar:  And now that the Darkness is this thing before time ...HELLO Illyria! No seriously, that description is Illyria essentially. If Amara = Illyria then Rowena=Knox who worshipped her. IF Rowena's plan was to get Amara released all along if my wildass spec is remotely correct.

 

Anyhhhhoooo. That article did do one thing for me. The use of "defiant" really rankled me but it did set me to thinking...again and that's always dangerous because now I have the following thoughts/questions (sorry, Mick Lady). 

 

--So, like, Death is supposedly omniscient right? So how the hell did Death not know the spell was happening especially if it was such a HUGE THING to be released.

 

--If Death did know, why didn't he zap himself to where Rowena was and kill Rowena to stop the spell from releasing the Mark BEFORE threatening to kill Sam?

--Death might think Sam would stop at nothing but if Rowena, the only person other than Charlie (RIP) who could decipher the codex and the Book of the Damned, why was Sam's death even on the table at that point? Unless of course they decided that Sam would pursue becoming a witch himself to decipher stuff, because other than removing the curse, there was no other cure that we know of.

--If Death DID not know about the spell then his omniscient self..not so much...and that just doesn't track for me without them saying that the spell made Death stupid too. So I am just really having trouble buying any reason for Death NOT to have known of the spell UNLESS......that was not actual!Death and was a spell by Metatron to goad Dean into killing Sam.  Ahhh so many more thinking thoughts.

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Omegamom

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Yeah, well, I don't think Death is really dead. I mean, Death is Cosmic. His death should mean all sorts of universal signs of catastrophe--not just turning into charcoal and quietly crumbling away, with one or two claps of thunder. My head canon is that either it was an illusion, that Metadouche was pretending to be Death, or that Death skipped out at the last nanosecond when he realized Dean was being an absolute total idio and actually going to go through with it.

I mean, face it: Death's death would be absolutely totally catastrophic. It turns the laws of physics on their heads. No entropy--one of the great three fundamental laws of the universe. No stars dying, no evolution, no...no...ack!

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I mean, face it: Death's death would be absolutely totally catastrophic. It turns the laws of physics on their heads. No entropy--one of the great three fundamental laws of the universe. No stars dying, no evolution, no...no...ack!

 

Right? But I wouldn't mind seeing the show address just how awful the world COULD be without Death. I mean theoretically everything is energy, so even when we die the energy does somewhere doesn't it?  I've mentioned it before but Torchwood : Miracle Day did address the notion of everyone not being able to die. They had some interesting ideas so that concept would be interesting here...but I don't think they can handle the big bad that well without Kripke...and Kripke just signed with Sony so I don't think he's ever really coming back. 

 

What bugs me about the idea of a Reaper war is that HELLO YOU KILLED TESSA. Don't fucking have a Reaper War without Tessa you assholes. Grrr. I'm probably more upset about Tessa dying than Charlie (I KNOW HERESY!).

 

Also, did they ever close the veil? I mean Tessa threw herself on Dean's Big Ole First Blade (heh) because the souls she couldn't reap were making her insane.  So like what ever happened to that? I don't remember it ever being explicitly addressed. Or even implicitly. I mean yeah Cas said "Things had settled down" but that's not the same thing as the Veil being closed still. Did I miss a big plot point here? 

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Andrew Dabb: I would say the character Amara, the Darkness character

 

So, they do away with any and all pretense and just flat-out admit that Amara is the new personification of the darkness. Well, since anyone could already guess it after the casting spoiler, it`s probably not even a spoiler.

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I'm in the camp that Death wasn't Death but Metatron pretending to be Death.  Even at the last second Dean realizes it and kills death instead.

 

I mean all the interesting ideas could lead to some truly new directions...but because I thought of it, It won't happen.

Time will tell.

 

Some spoilers they don't really try to hide. 

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Illyria and Knox analogies are useless to people like me who have no clue what show or movie you're talking about.

 

 

Well, since you asked so nicely...spoilers for Angel

 

Illyria was the OLD ONE from the Primordium Age who as an original demon, before man existed. She was risen by a character named Knox because he was her worshipper. It took the body of Fred. She couldn't return to her time so she had to adapt to life on Earth. She could teleport and move time and was incredibly powerful.

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Mick Lady

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Yeah, well, I don't think Death is really dead. I mean, Death is Cosmic. His death should mean all sorts of universal signs of catastrophe--not just turning into charcoal and quietly crumbling away, with one or two claps of thunder. My head canon is that either it was an illusion, that Metadouche was pretending to be Death, or that Death skipped out at the last nanosecond when he realized Dean was being an absolute total idio and actually going to go through with it.

I mean, face it: Death's death would be absolutely totally catastrophic. It turns the laws of physics on their heads. No entropy--one of the great three fundamental laws of the universe. No stars dying, no evolution, no...no...ack!

 

 

Good stuff Omegamom, but in truth you just lit a fire under catrox!

 

I so wanted to have a peaceful weekend.

 

 

I'm in the camp that Death wasn't Death but Metatron pretending to be Death.  Even at the last second Dean realizes it and kills death instead.

 

I mean all the interesting ideas could lead to some truly new directions...but because I thought of it, It won't happen.

Time will tell.

 

Some spoilers they don't really try to hide. 

 

This, I really like! Never considered Metatron! Now I'm going to bring this up with Mick. It will keep him up all night!

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This, I really like! Never considered Metatron! Now I'm going to bring this up with Mick. It will keep him up all night!

 

I don't normally wave the "I mentioned this theory like back when the episode aired' flag. But I did...

 

 

LOL So I'm feeling a little hurt MickLady that you didn't see that in all my other musings :(:(

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I'm in the camp that Death wasn't Death but Metatron pretending to be Death.  Even at the last second Dean realizes it and kills death instead.

 

I mean all the interesting ideas could lead to some truly new directions...but because I thought of it, It won't happen.

Time will tell.

 

Some spoilers they don't really try to hide. 

 

I love this, and  I never would have thought of this twist!

 

Now I'm off to drive Mick insane. You all do this with alarming regularity!

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Catrox14, I remember your ringing up the metatron idea way back when too. I'd love it if that was true.

However, you win in my book because ou brought up Illyria. I LOVE her (even though her story was soooo sad... Need to watch Angel now :(

Seriously, where's all the fun spoilers? I'm getting nervous here

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Okay, I've been trying to withhold my negative Nelly side, but I made myself really sad today.

 

I was following the pics of Jensen and Misha getting ice cream with their families on some island in Washington and then apparently they went for a spa day for Misha's birthday. And we've been getting pics of them on set and just all the Cockles (not the ship but the friendship) of them together and when have we ever gotten that before other than cons. And I thought this is so lovely but unusual...and then it hit me....

 

What if this their last hurrah together because they really and truly killed off Castiel in a really most sincerely dead way.  And I'm further scared it's going to be the episode Jensen directed. And that does tie in to everyone saying that the show is going back to just the boys and killing off Castiel and/or Crowley surely does that. 

 

meep :( (Way to bring down the house, cat)

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