Spoilers With Speculation

[nightwing877]

21 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

I have no idea if either Mark has signed on for S13, but I'd be surprised if they traded one Mark for the other. Like with Cass/Misha, Crowley is a popular character and Sheppard is loved by fandom. I'm not sure they'd get the same with Lucifer/Pelligrino.

No way Crowley's dying, when Rowena has been MIA for the second half of season 12. I don't think they would kill him off, without her having a presence. 

[Wayward Son]

My predictions for the rest of the season. 

 

- Episode 22 will mark the end of the British Man of Letter's storyline! Ketch, Haas and all the other figures we were introduced to will be wiped out. On Team Winchester we will lose Garth, probably Eileen along with some hunters we were introduced to in 12x21 or 12x22. The show will forget about the BMoL back in Britain in the same way they forgot about the rest of the Stein's spread throughout the world. 

 

Episode 23 - I have two predictions depending on whether my speculation that Cas / Misha is leaving the show is correct. If Cas is leaving the show then I expect him to be right about the nepilihm's potential for goodness. His exit storyline will be him and Kelly (who will die during birth only to be resurrected by baby powered Cas moments later) will leave the show to raise the nephilim in parts unknown. Before this can happen Lucifer manages to escape Crowley and the demon is left dying and the Crowley related cliffhanger will be whether he is found and therefore survives or not. There will be a confrontation and to the amazement of all nephilim kills or at least badly damages daddy dearest. Meanwhile there will be scenes which will be used to introduce the main antagonist of season 13 (similar to Lady BitchNeedsToDie's scenes from last year). I think the final set of scenes will then be the brothers being cast in to the empty by this new villain. They've survived heaven, hell and purgatory so this is assumed to be the only sure fire way to get rid of them. 

So to sum the season will end with 

Brothers cliffhanger - They are trapped in the empty! How will they get out? 

Castiel - No cliffhanger as he has gotten his ending and a purpose. 

Crowely - Will he or won't he survive the damage wrought by Lucifer during the Angels escape. 

Big Bad for s13: Some new threat introduced in the finale.

 

If Misha / Cas is staying with the show then I expect for the nephilim to be evil and either manipulating Cas through the use of false visions, or out and out controlling him like a sock puppet. Kelly will die giving birth to him and in this scenario she'll stay dead as in the eyes of an evil being she has served her purpose. I could even see the nephilim's essence somehow transferring to Castiel, so he can act as his host rather than a new born baby.  Lucifer will still escape leaving Crowley's life in peril. However, this time he and possessed Cas will team up to work against the Winchester and it is possessed Cas who casts them into the empty. 

Brothers Cliffhanger - The same as above. How do we escape the empty? 

Castiel cliffhanger - What is he and the nephilim controlling him going to do now? How much of a danger is he to the Winchesterless world. 

Crowely - Same as above. Will he or won't he die as a result of a beat down from Lucifer? 

Big Bad for S13: A nephilim possessed Castiel. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by Wayward Son

[MysteryGuest]

I suck at predicting, so I won't even try.  But I'm hoping that the BMOL aren't dispensed of quite so easily.  That would be implausible to me, which doesn't mean I don't think they'll go there.  I agree that it would be just like the Stynes storyline, and that ending was absurd, too.  Both of these groups, BMOL and Stynes have/had been around for centuries, and the Winchesters manage to wipe them both out in an afternoon?  I know they're good at their jobs, but that's a bit ridiculous.  I've sort of been waiting for more Stynes to show up to avenge their family members' deaths, but so far, nothing.  Not to mention their connection to the Book of the Damned, which is still around.

I would love a new Big Bad for next season.  I'm so hoping it won't just be Lucifer and his spawn again.  If they have to wrap up one storyline permanently, can it please be that one?!!!

The idea of Sam and Dean stuck in The Empty is intriguing.  And at least it would mean that the big threat of The Empty wasn't just another dropped storyline.  We still have those pesky cosmic consequences that Billie talked about, so maybe that's what happens.

If next season really is going to be the last of the series, I want both Crowley and Cas to be around for it.  I want the writers to go all out and write an amazing final season for all 4 main characters.  I'm sure I won't get what I want, but that doesn't keep me from wanting it.

[catrox14]

I've generally always headcanon'd that the Empty is  a solitary confinement dimension out of time and space, and where I think Death was going to send Dean. I've also generally thought it wouldn't be a punishment for the boys to be sent there together unless they were mortal enemies which they are not, especially if the intention is to keep them from getting out because together they would work to get out.  So I'm 50/50 on that being the Empty.  Maybe's it's just an alternate Hell dimension (a la Quartoth in Angel the Series.

That said, if it is another Hell dimension/the Empty how do they get there? 

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No, you don't know What if it doesn't work?

No human form can step through that gate and survive. Your souls will ascend to Heaven, and every cell of your beings will return to the universe. Read more: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=supernatural&episode=s12e19

I've been thinking about Cas' explanation that a human cannot survive a trip through the Sandbox and that it is a big ole foreshadowing of a human  doing exactly that. So I'm thinking maybe the Sandbox is dual portal: to Heaven for angels and human souls bound for Heaven and a portal to this other dimension(Empty or otherwise)

Perhaps Death and Billie were the only two entities in the universe other than God/Amara/fully powered arch angel who can escort a human to the Empty via the Sandbox portal without the human being atomized in the process because doing so forces the human to remain in their meatsuit with their own mind and body, alone, as their ultimate punishment. But, perhaps, the cosmic consequence of Cas killing Billie and Dean killing Death is that humans can pass through the portal into that other dimension  without being atomized. 

If Cas survives this season, what if he decides to take the spawn into the Empty and Sam and Dean try to stop him and they get pulled in.

Or Crowley decides to take the spawn into the empty to deliver a big fuck you to Lucifer a la  Holst taking Connor into the Quartoth Hell dimension as the big fuck you to Angel.  But Crowley can survive it because he's a demon, not a human. Cas, Sam and Dean all try to stop Crowley but it's too late and all four end up in this other dimension, but Lucifer manages to get the Spawn from Crowley right before they all go through the portal. 

Lucifer is threatening to send Mary to the Empty, if Sam doesn't say yes to him again. Sam says yes to save Mary but of course Lucifer is a liar and he tries to use Sam to kill Mary,

and  SWERVE, Dean asks Cas to burn off his anti-possession tattoo and Michael possesses Dean so Dean can square off against Lucifer!Sam in order to save Mary.

[Wayward Son]

1 hour ago, MysteryGuest said:

I suck at predicting, so I won't even try.  But I'm hoping that the BMOL aren't dispensed of quite so easily.  That would be implausible to me, which doesn't mean I don't think they'll go there.  I agree that it would be just like the Stynes storyline, and that ending was absurd, too.  Both of these groups, BMOL and Stynes have/had been around for centuries, and the Winchesters manage to wipe them both out in an afternoon?  I know they're good at their jobs, but that's a bit ridiculous.  I've sort of been waiting for more Stynes to show up to avenge their family members' deaths, but so far, nothing.  Not to mention their connection to the Book of the Damned, which is still around.

I would love a new Big Bad for next season.  I'm so hoping it won't just be Lucifer and his spawn again.  If they have to wrap up one storyline permanently, can it please be that one?!!!

The reason I think they're wrapping up the British Man of Letters storyline this season is the focus they seem to be giving it in the closing act. For instance this weeks episode was a mixture of Monster of the Week (the Banes stuff) and advancing the British Man of Letters storyline (the Mary and Ketch scenes). In addition to this, the synopsis and spoilers for the next two episodes seem to suggest that they will both be focused heavily on the British Man of Letters. This intense focus on them along with the fact there is no mention of them in the final Lucifer drama focused episodes seems to suggest that plot will be over and done with by then. The fact that they're happy enough to neglect the Lucifer and nepihilm stuff for most of the closing act of the season suggests to me they plan to move it into next year. One episode to completely wrap the whole thing up seems far too little to me. 

 

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The idea of Sam and Dean stuck in The Empty is intriguing.  And at least it would mean that the big threat of The Empty wasn't just another dropped storyline.  We still have those pesky cosmic consequences that Billie talked about, so maybe that's what happens.

If next season really is going to be the last of the series, I want both Crowley and Cas to be around for it.  I want the writers to go all out and write an amazing final season for all 4 main characters.  I'm sure I won't get what I want, but that doesn't keep me from wanting it.

Considering Jensen's constant reiterance at cons and so on that "this is a show about two brothers" I'm actually half expecting them to return to just Sam and Dean for the final season especially if said season is a shortened one. But I really don't see season 13 being a good one for Cas fans. IMO he is either going to be written out completely, or they'll make him the bad guy for a while. Making him the villain seems to be their go to when the writers are feeling bored of focusing on Castiel's character arc. 

 

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

I've been thinking about Cas' explanation that a human cannot survive a trip through the Sandbox and that it is a big ole foreshadowing of a human  doing exactly that. So I'm thinking maybe the Sandbox is dual portal: to Heaven for angels and human souls bound for Heaven and a portal to this other dimension(Empty or otherwise)

I found your overall speculation really interesting Catrox! And funnily enough the first time I watched The Future I was half expecting Kelly to do just that! I was expecting we'd find out that it was the Angel that allowed her to survive the trip. 

[goldy]

[rue721]

2 minutes ago, goldy said:

Imagine how uncomfortable it would be to do that. Having to watch yourself on a big screen as you dub yourself. AND people taking pictures of you at the same time? Damn.

I could never be an actress!

[catrox14]

Just now, rue721 said:

Imagine how uncomfortable it would be to do that. Having to watch yourself on a big screen as you dub yourself. AND people taking pictures of you at the same time? Damn.

I could never be an actress!

Hmmm I think Mary is at her grave, maybe ....

Or could it be John's? Did John ever get a grave?

[rue721]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Hmmm I think Mary is at her grave, maybe ....

Or could it be John's? Did John ever get a grave?

Could be. I know you have a good eye for detail.

To me, looks like she could be pretty much anywhere, though. I mean, offhand, that looks to me like it's somebody's yard.

And I guess we don't even REALLY know if it's Mary, rather than a shifter or twig!Mary or possessed!Mary or something -- although I think that's probably just regular Mary, because she looks happy.

SS was right about the #nospoilers tag!

[MysteryGuest]

I don't think John ever got a grave.  Mary was actually buried, but John got a hunter's funeral.  

I really am hoping she's back next season.  I want all of that sappy mother/son stuff we didn't get this season.  And I hate the thought of Sam and Dean having to watch her die again.  But I'm expecting lots of death and mayhem in the last few episodes, so we'll have to wait to see just who's left standing when all is said and done.

[DittyDotDot]

15 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

Mary was actually buried, but John got a hunter's funeral.  

Actually, Mary wasn't buried, a cousin or uncle or something put up a headstone. I think there was no body to bury after the fire.

[MysteryGuest]

5 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Actually, Mary wasn't buried, a cousin or uncle or something put up a headstone. I think there was no body to bury after the fire.

Hmmm...didn't know that.  I figured there was at least something left of her from the fire, since the house wasn't destroyed.  At least enough to bury.

[DittyDotDot]

Just now, MysteryGuest said:

Hmmm...didn't know that.  I figured there was at least something left of her from the fire, since the house wasn't destroyed.  At least enough to bury.

Maybe the house was rebuilt? I don't know, just going by the what they told us on the show. In Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things, Dean and Sam have an argument over visiting Mary's headstone. Dean thinks it's stupid because it's not even her grave. Something about her not having a grave because there was no body left after the fire and the headstone was put up as a memorial by some relative Sam and Dean never met.

[Wayward Son]

@DittyDotDot is correct! She sums it up pretty well, but The exact dialogue is as follows 

 

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DEAN
Going to visit Mom's grave? She doesn't even have a grave -- there, there was no body left after the fire. 
 

SAM
She has a headstone.
 

DEAN
Yeah, put up by her uncle, a man we've never even met. So you wanna, go pay your respects to a slab of granite put up by a stranger?

Source: Superwiki

[rue721]

9 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

Hmmm...didn't know that.  I figured there was at least something left of her from the fire, since the house wasn't destroyed.  At least enough to bury.

Maybe not, since Mary was what was on fire in the first place?

The fire spread from Mary to the house rather than from the house to Mary.

[MysteryGuest]

3 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Maybe the house was rebuilt? I don't know, just going by the what they told us on the show. In Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things, Dean and Sam have an argument over visiting Mary's headstone. Dean thinks it's stupid because it's not even her grave. Something about her not having a grave because there was no body left after the fire and the headstone was put up as a memorial by some relative Sam and Dean never met.

I believe you, I just didn't remember that particular scene.  

[goldy]

[SueB]

So 11.09 is "Oh Brother Where Art Thou?" Which had a couple of massive smitings and Lucifer cage scenes.  

[DeansDorkyAngel]

Somehow I have a feeling that Lucifer will smite Cas and Crowley and they will end up in the Empty not the brothers.  Plus, if I'm not mistaken there were rumors that Luci kills those close to the bros so yeah, that's what I think.  If I think about it, Cas and Crowley are both at high risks, more than Mary because of reasons.  I don't think Luci has a great interest in Mary. At least not at the moment. 

[catrox14]

6 hours ago, goldy said:

Gotta say, this doesn't exactly thrill me. I've not been particularly excited by the vfx this season. I think the show has been relying on them too much in the past two seasons. That said this tweet  does seem to advance the theories from commenters here  that the boys will end up in Oz, given how VFX heavy just the glimpse into Oz was in s9.

[SueB]

1 hour ago, DeansDorkyAngel said:

Somehow I have a feeling that Lucifer will smite Cas and Crowley and they will end up in the Empty not the brothers.  Plus, if I'm not mistaken there were rumors that Luci kills those close to the bros so yeah, that's what I think.  If I think about it, Cas and Crowley are both at high risks, more than Mary because of reasons.  I don't think Luci has a great interest in Mary. At least not at the moment. 

I'm pretty happy Luci knows nothing about Mary.  In fact, BECAUSE of that Mary may be the one left behind to 'fix it.'   And with the BMoL no longer an option, who precisely could she turn to for help?  I'm gonna guess the somewhat strangely absent Rowena.  They may have had Rowena fade into the background just to bring her out next year.  Because while Mary has hunting skills, this Apocalypse-class threat is totally out of her league.  

Please note, I'm positing this theory, not advocating. 

I think everyone in limbo (metaphoric limbo, not Crowley's ACTUAL limbo) is a solid guess but I think we have no clue on where.

Also, trying to make sense of 'gold eyes', I'm wondering if:

-say we have a happy birth of a 'good' baby with gold eyes

-and Lucifer, who can't leave his suit, steals the baby's grace -- thus powering up more

- and the end effect is Luci with the gold eyes and a not alive baby.  

We WOULD hate Luci more, I think. 

I just suspect Luci comes out the winner at the end of the season while TFW +Crowley are in jeopardy. 

[Idahoforspn]

9 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Gotta say, this doesn't exactly thrill me. I've not been particularly excited by the vfx this season. I think the show has been relying on them too much in the past two seasons. That said this tweet  does seem to advance the theories from commenters here  that the boys will end up in Oz, given how VFX heavy just the glimpse into Oz was in s9.

I don't think it's Oz. I would think the Empty would also be VFX heavy. Oz would come out of nowhere. The Empty has been mention several times much more recently. JMO

[Myrelle]

50 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Gotta say, this doesn't exactly thrill me. I've not been particularly excited by the vfx this season. I think the show has been relying on them too much in the past two seasons.

IA. And 11.09 was nothing to write home about, IMO, so there's that too.

That said, my greatest hope for the finale lies in the possible hint of a spoiler that Jensen gave at a recent con when he said that he liked the S1 finale best because everyone was in dire jeopardy going into S2. I'm hoping that's where they're taking the finale and I could even see the brothers reclining in their barcaloungers at he MOL lair as being their version of Heaven. Mary being the only one left behind to bring them back would make sense to me, too. And Rowena involved also would be the icing on the cake that would certainly have viewers tuning into the S13 premiere-which Dabb desperately needs after the abysmal season he's given us this year. He has to finish up with something that would make ALL segments of the fandom want to watch, AND his continuing on as showrunner could depend on the ratings for these last few episodes, too; so hopefully he remembered ALL segments of the fandom when he penned this one, and this, even though the Lucifer sl has long since passed it's expiration date for many, but he just doesn't want to let it go. 

Edited May 8, 2017 by Myrelle

[DittyDotDot]

7 hours ago, goldy said:

Hmm? I thought most of the effects on 11.09 were pretty sub-par...especially the ring of fire in Hell. Although, the music didn't help either. I don't know, I think the show is better when it relies on practical effects, myself.

But, this could mean so many things. I don't think Oz is very likely, but The Empty seems like it could be. Maybe those cosmic consequences will come back to bite the Winchesters in the ass, after all? I wonder if that means Cass will be with them or left behind to go searching for them next season? 

Edited May 8, 2017 by DittyDotDot

[Jonesy]

Hey all--been lurking a while and joined today.  Where do I come from?  I love the whole show and all the regulars--not just one character or relationship.  But whatever anyone else likes is fine by me.

 

That said I think Cas won't be killed.  The J's are older with family and need breaks and having Misha there is vital for that.  Also looks like Cas and the boys are allied again in the finale as they are fighting together against Lucifer for control of the baby.  So it seems Cas is at least partly right about the baby since control of the baby indicates it could go either good or bad.  Which makes sense because otherwise the baby would have let Cas die and why Lucifer was so upset about losing control of his spawn.

[Myrelle]

Welcome Jakes! You made me remember that I wanted to add that I think it's practically a given that Lucifer will take the baby by the end of the finale and we'll go into S13 with that sl still very much alive. And I'd bet the ranch that Dabb will want to continue on with it and follow through on it all through S13, and that it will continue to be the reason that Cas(and likely Crowley also) will not be on-screen for every episode. I think that 13 will be very similar to 12 in that Cas and Crowley will carry the myth-arc more, while the brothers will handle the MOTW hunts more, with a similar type of ratio involved, until the very end when the brothers will then be more actively brought into the myth-arc. Hopefully he will remember that Dean is an awesome hunter also next season when he(or whoever) plans out those S13 MOTWs. Whether Mary stays or not is up in the air at this point, but I don't see him killing her off. He loves that character too much also, IMO. I DO think that the BMOL sl is as good as dead, though.

Edited May 8, 2017 by Myrelle

[Idahoforspn]

58 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

IA. And 11.09 was nothing to write home about, IMO, so there's that too.

.... viewers tuning into the S13 premiere-which Dabb desperately needs after the abysmal season he's given us this year. He has to finish up with something that would make ALL segments of the fandom want to watch, AND his continuing on as showrunner could depend on the ratings for these last few episodes, too; so hopefully he remembered ALL segments of the fandom when he penned this one, and this, even though the Lucifer sl has long since passed it's expiration date for many, but he just doesn't want to let it go. 

Yes!

[Aeryn13]

11.09 was the largest effects episode in the entire show? I honestly wouldn`t have guessed. Parts of it were okay but if it was such a fireworks episode, I would have expected it to be really memorable, at least the visuals. And personally, the Darkness being freed in the first place and the angels falling are for example two effect scenes I remember way more.

So maybe the Season 12 Finale has swirly portal in the sky and some Lucy-on-Spawn "fight". It would be funny if he was defeated by a baby. With Jesse, there is evidence of a "hybrid" kid being way more powerful than either parent race would warrant.

But to be honest, I don`t expect to be blown away by any effects. Maybe it`s because the show is on the CW, home of the Berlanti-shows which are full of big VFX and lots of awesome stunt work. Or I remember what awesome space battles the Stargate shows could do on a really moderate budget. In comparism, SPN never really looks impressive in those areas.      

[catrox14]

Lucifer was out and about the entire time Mary was around. I've always presumed he knows about her and is biding his time or he just doesn't care about her. He may even be playing a  longer game of his own that he would use Dagon to make sure the Spawn is born and then because he's insane and the Devil and since it appears his going to escape Crowley's clutches, he can go after Mary to convince her to help him raise his spawn. And if the spawn is capable of convincing someone to protect him, then if Mary touched the child, it would bond with her.

[ILoveReading]

I always thought that The Empty would have been just like it sounds.  A barren landscape devoid of anything.  As bad as it was in the black site at least they had meals to help mark the passage of time and sleep to help kill some of the hours.  I figured The Empty would be like solitary on steroids.  With just you and no need to eat or sleep.

Billie made it sound like a punishment.  Everyone seemed to be filming together, so it seems like it would be the opposite of what the empty is. 

Unless, its a kind of outside looking in scenario.  Where the one effected is kind of an observer where you can see everyone interacting with each other but they can't see or hear you.  IMO, that is kind of what's happening with Dean this season and that would be a fate worse than death for him. 

[Jonesy]

2 hours ago, Myrelle said:

Welcome Jakes! You made me remember that I wanted to add that I think it's practically a given that Lucifer will take the baby by the end of the finale and we'll go into S13 with that sl still very much alive. And I'd bet the ranch that Dabb will want to continue on with it and follow through on it all through S13, and that it will continue to be the reason that Cas(and likely Crowley also) will not be on-screen for every episode. I think that 13 will be very similar to 12 in that Cas and Crowley will carry the myth-arc more, while the brothers will handle the MOTW hunts more, with a similar type of ratio involved, until the very end when the brothers will then be more actively brought into the myth-arc. Hopefully he will remember that Dean is an awesome hunter also next season when he(or whoever) plans out those S13 MOTWs. Whether Mary stays or not is up in the air at this point, but I don't see him killing her off. He loves that character too much also, IMO. I DO think that the BMOL sl is as good as dead, though.

Thanks!  I agree with you that Lucifer will go on to season 13--I know some don't like that but when Mark Pellegrino came back I'm all for more Lucifer...Mark does a great job.  I'm not sure about Crowley surviving...they could replace his baddy regular for Lucifer and possibly make Lucifer their endgame villain.  Which would give Cas a purpose to use his full angel powers.  And throw the spawn in there as you mention(But maybe they still keep Crowley for that too).   I'm thinking Mary dies in either 22 or 23.  Mary may just show up as a flashback or in another realm for 23.  I have the theory that the BMOL in 21 turn Mary into either a monster or brainwash her to kill her boys--which is why we got the script snippet where Dean talks to Mary about her yellow eye deal and we get the part where Dean thinks he's finally reaching her.

[Jonesy]

Another reason I think Mary is turned against the boys as a monster or brainwashing is what I think is foreshadowing of the hunter twins who had to face their "mother" who was really a monster.  I'm thinking Dean or Sam will have a similar decision to make.  They like their parallel stories such as the last time the boys met the Ghostfacers.

[Diane]

[ILoveReading]

http://dustydreamsanddirtyscars.tumblr.com/post/160400895956/in-the-theres-something-about-mary-promo-in-the

This post suggests Dean is holding his right side while he's shooting the gun.  Its hard to tell because of the way the picture is framed but it does look like his left hand is holding his right side.

[catrox14]

I noticed that myself on the first viewing. Methinks he was hurt in some way.

[MysteryGuest]

I have no idea who's going to die by the end of the season, but I'm sure someone will.  I'd rather it not be Mary, Cas or Crowley.  I don't want them to kill Garth or Claire, either, but if I have to choose between them or the other three, then I'll choose one of them.

If Jensen said the place was like Purgatory, then obviously it's not Purgatory.  I would think The Empty more than Oz as a possible destination.  I always pictured The Empty as just that...empty, but maybe it's not that literal?

[DittyDotDot]

Maybe they'll surprise us all and NO ONE dies this year? ;)

[MysteryGuest]

6 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Maybe they'll surprise us all and NO ONE dies this year? ;)

That would be a very welcomed surprise!

[ILoveReading]

8 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Maybe they'll surprise us all and NO ONE dies this year? ;)

That would mean that Dabb was lying because he said that everyone was  in a precarious predicament and that some would live and some would die.

The first five minutes of the Australian panel.  Jensen and Jared do a reenactment of something they filmed that could further suggest Dean is hurt.   It's about 1:40

[DittyDotDot]

16 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

That would mean that Dabb was lying because he said that everyone was  in a precarious predicament and that some would live and some would die.

Being in a predicament isn't the same as death. Plus, dying doesn't mean dying necessarily on this show.

However, I was just being silly. That's what the ;) was all about.

[Mick Lady]

If they kill off Crowley or Cas, I'm not watching next season!

Okay, you know me, I didn't mean that, but I feel better throwing a temper tantrum! *stomps foot*

Wayward Son, admit it, you live to give me panic attacks!

Welcome Jakes! You just joined the best site on the internet!

[nightwing877]

5 hours ago, MysteryGuest said:

 

5 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

Maybe they'll surprise us all and NO ONE dies this year? ;)

I would love this. Sometimes I think I will be more shocked if nobody died, death get's overused to much. Give us a break for a change.

[catrox14]

Just now, nightwing877 said:

I would love this. Sometimes I think I will be more shocked if nobody died, death get's overused to much. Give us a break for a change.

WE  got the death free finale last season and a resurrection of a loved one. I don't think we'll be so lucky this time around

[nightwing877]

Just now, catrox14 said:

WE  got the death free finale last season and a resurrection of a loved one. I don't think we'll be so lucky this time around

Yeah true, we can hope for the best. Still hope Mary doesn't die, to be resurrected in one final and dies in the next one. Sigh. 

[Idahoforspn]

23 minutes ago, nightwing877 said:

Yeah true, we can hope for the best. Still hope Mary doesn't die, to be resurrected in one final and dies in the next one. Sigh. 

Maybe they don't actually die but end up in the Empty somehow anyway. I doubt that's how it happens though.

[Wayward Son]

3 hours ago, Mick Lady said:

If they kill off Crowley or Cas, I'm not watching next season!

Okay, you know me, I didn't mean that, but I feel better throwing a temper tantrum! *stomps foot*

Wayward Son, admit it, you live to give me panic attacks!

Welcome Jakes! You just joined the best site on the internet!

Thats it! Giving you panic attacks is my mission in life ;) . 

And yeah I definitely agree someone is going to go this year! I think Garth is a definite! It's pretty much the shows MO to bring back a character we haven't seen in seasons (the last we saw of him was s9 right?) only to kill him off! I also think Eileen is a high possibility but I'm not as sure of her as I am about Garth. 

In regards to the main four I don't think either brother is going to die this year (even temporarily but as I speculated earlier I could see a dimension shift for one or both of them. Crowley I think will live and I've been speculating that this is the end of Misha / Cas since early in the season and my stance hasn't changed. If he survives the writers are in "we can't be bothered with Cas character development! Let's make him evil" mode so we can look forward to Nepilihim possessed Cas.

[bozodegama]

I really hope Cass doesn't die too.  But if they are going to kill him off, it's definitely going to be a situation where he has to die or Dean dies.  Or he saves Dean and mortally wounds himself so they have an emotional goodbye between Cass and at least Dean, if not Dean and Sam.  That's the only way they would do it and the fans will be pissed.  I wonder if Garth is the only old character coming back for the end of the season or is it someone else?  

[Idahoforspn]

If Cass dies, he wont stay dead. I think Jensen and Jared would pack it up if Misha was leaving. The Show can't afford to lose one of its three most popular characters and survive. That is of course just my opinion.

[Bessie]

14 minutes ago, Idahoforspn said:

I think Jensen and Jared would pack it up if Misha was leaving.

I don't know why they would do that. I mean, yeah, the show would have to pick up the slack of his screen time so J2 could still have their time-off, but that shouldn't be difficult. 

All I ask is that if they kill off Cas, they take the Lucifer storyline with him. Not that I think they're killing off Castiel, permanently, but the end of Lucifer/angel storylines would make me happy. 

Edited May 9, 2017 by Bessie

[Idahoforspn]

3 minutes ago, Bessie said:

I don't know why they would do that. I mean, yeah, the show would have to pick up the slack of his screen time so J2 could still have their time-off, but that shouldn't be difficult. 

All I ask is that if they kill off Cas, they take the Lucifer storyline with him. Not that I think they're killing off Castiel, permanently, but the end of Lucifer/angel storylines would make me happy. 

They have said at a con there is no SPN without Cass at this point. The end of the Lucifer storyline would make me deliriously happy too!