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[FlickerToAFlame]

Just more Hawley being vague:

@Sandraxf: Mega Buzz: Is a #Castle Reconciliation Coming Soon?

http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-castle-reconciliation-alexi-hawley-terence-paul-winter/?ftag=soshare

[CastleSeason8]

Yeah, read that. The way i read it, it sounds less promising than ever - but then again i never understand them!! The comments are interesting tho. Not one positive that i saw.

[Julia]

We're committed to this relationship the same way they're committed to this relationship

Which is to say when they said for better or for worse, we had our fingers crossed too.

[Chado]

"It's going to help Castle refocus his strategy on how to get his wife back,"

 

Oh ffs

[verdana]

Another interview with more vague meaningless platitudes from Hawley.
 

Relationships are hard sometimes, but if you're committed to it, you stick it out.

 

That sounds like my relationship with the show right now sigh....I deserve some medal at the end of it from these guys.

 

What I read into it this latest one is there will be no reconciliation but Rick will find out what she's doing and that's the "satisfying" thing because it should follow they'll be getting back together. 
 

"We definitely move the ball down the field in terms of the conspiracy and the effect it's having on their relationship," he says. "It ends with the promise of what's to come in a way that people will be excited about."

"We definitely move the ball down the field" LOL 

 

How far down the field, like one foot? Three? A football field's worth?  Jesus.  
 
I doubt very much I'm going to be excited because I can pretty much figure out how they operate at this point and they're not going to be giving me what I want - which is Beckett realising she's made a huge fuck up dealing with Castle, they have a decent discussion about what's happened and she moves back home. 
 

It's going to help Castle refocus his strategy on how to get his wife back,

Urgh. How about this idea for a refocus? Ask her! Or he could engage his brain for 2 seconds and put two and two together but his brain appears to have been taken I wish someone would let him have it back.
 

We're committed to this relationship the same way they're committed to this relationship

That's just a different take on Marlowe's often repeated reassurances that Caskett were the "bread and butter" of the show and how important their relationship was to everyone. It sounded insincere then and it sounds doubly so know coming from Hawley. I don't trust their reassurances after the stunt they've pulled. They've already done enough damage to Caskett and I don't see it can be repaired that easily plus they'll certainly create some other serious obstacle down the road that screws up their relationship again, since the new writers apparently can't stomach writing them together. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by verdana

[CastleSeason8]

Football is the perfect analogy. You move 5 yards, next play you've lost 15. Then theres an interception. Perfect.

[readster]

 

In relative terms, nobody is watching. The demos are terrible. Small spikes in viewership are not something to cling on to, like little handles of hope. They do not change the narrative. The show is dead. It's underperforming for advertisers. It wasted your promotional budget. It's not adding new viewers week to week. There is no Lazarus-like moment coming. The show is dead.

 

 Which is very true, there have been series the last decade where networks did just this. The shows were long dead but they poured money into shows because of small spikes. Best example was 7th Heaven from the WB/CW. The show had been crashing in ratings for the last four years it was on. In fact, its 11th season should never had happen because it had a major spike in the 10th season finale which was supposed to be the series finale. "Series finale" of course there would be a spike in ratings for that. They ended up dumping Everwood as a result that was doing much, much better in ratings but they had it out for the show and there were also problems with other series such as Gilmore Girls slipping in ratings. So, they poured money into the dying shows than focus on ones that weren't Smallville or Supernatural at the time. Something everyone kicked themselves over a year later when they lost out on so much money and had parting ways with the creators of various shows. 

  

 Castle and ABC have now done the same, they are trying to cling on to last bit spikes but they have alienated the audience and gone against what made the show work, but they want to hold onto the spikes. Add in how bad of a season ABC has this year and lack of replacement shows or ideas that could have them recover in midseason. Its time for Castle to sadly come to an end because like me and Mrs. Readster and our family members, we can't watch it anymore. We don't enjoy it and all the characters are acting way, way too stupid. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by readster

[TWP]

I know Castle is "dead".  This is clearly it's last season.  However, I was speaking of dead at the sub-1.0 ratings level, the Wicked City level; the OMG, I'm embarrassed to even talk about it as an actor/producer/PR person level; the I'd rather air reruns of something else than new episodes of this level; the actors delete their Twitter accounts level(that one won't happen, except for maybe, uh..anyway).

 

The winter finale will give the viewers at least a modest reason to come back...because it has to. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by TWP

[TWP]

 

As soon as Katic talked about the audience finding out the "cosmic" reasons Castle and Beckett have come together.

 

Ha-ha-ha, they'll find out they're brother and sister.  Ha-ha-ha.  That would "advance" the storyline like nothing else. 

 

Yes, I'm trouble....with a capital T.

[pepper]

Has someone posted the EW interview? Having tech issues atm. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/09/castle-november-sweeps

[Bubbi63]

This year, the TV season has stretched into November without a single new title consigned to the rubbish heap -— something that industry watchers say hasn’t happened since the early 1950s.

It’s November, and no show has been canceled: Why networks aren’t pulling the plug

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/11/07/its-november-and-no-show-has-been-canceled-why-networks-arent-pulling-the-plug/

Not sure I did this right but this article also talks about the changes for networks.

[verdana]

Has someone posted the EW interview? Having tech issues atm. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/09/castle-november-sweeps

Tech issues I sympathise Pepper, thanks I don't remember this one. 

 

But it's more of the same from Hawley and Winter.

 

HAWLEY: That was our challenge coming into that episode obviously given the perameters of what we’ve set up. What we have to keep in mind is that, even with the obstacle in their way, both of them are still desperately in love with each other. So the want is there, it’s just about figuring out if there can be a how, so we definitely wanted to stay true to the obstacle, but at the same time, maybe give them a way to figure out how to celebrate.

This is a load of bullshit because if they wanted to stay true to the contrived "obstacle" they've created they wouldn't be twisting themselves in knots attempting to do this in the first place. If they're so "desperately in love" why don't they talk to each other like normal loving couples do?  

 

As for the boys in therapy and it being a lot of "fun" I'd rather see Beckett and Castle going to see a shrink than the boys. The repercussions should have been immediate when Ryan shot Espo not delayed and they shouldn't be fun either - he almost shot his partner. 

The episode titled “Mr. and Mrs. Castle” is inspired by Mr. and Mr. Smith. Where did that idea come from?

HAWLEY: As we started to talk about what our fall finale would be and how we would end it, we didn’t want to do a cliff-hanger because we kind of did that in the first two episodes, so we wanted to drive towards something that made you excited to come back but also was sort of the end of the first chapter of this Castle season. So we wanted to get to a place where this conflict between Castle and Beckett came a little bit to a head and do it in a fun way in the same way that that movie dealt with the troubles inside a marriage and professional troubles came face to face in a really dynamic way.

WINTER: And as we promised when we first started talking about this season is that we were going to constantly change the dynamic of the show and this is the end of the first evolution of what this journey’s going to be and we’re ending it with a promise of what’s to come in the new year. People, I believe, are going to be very excited because I know I’m excited about what the New Year’s going to bring.

HAWLEY: I think ultimately we’re really excited about how this first part of the season has come together and we really feel like we’re ending our fall finale in a really dynamic, really positive way and we can’t wait for people to see it.

The only thing that might excite me at this stage is for them to have Castle coming out of the shower and it's all been a bad dream that would be exciting, genuinely funny and positive as it would mean this misguided, sad and sorry excuse for a story arc is done. This half hearted separation has added nothing of substance to the characters and worse I can't empathise much with either Castle or Beckett at this stage it's got them both acting so stupidly. 

 

Reading the comments underneath that article, the readers at EW clearly don't share the showrunners excitement and positive vibes heh. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by verdana

[pepper]

The writers are absolutely slaughtered (pun intended) in the comments section. Then one commenter blamed Fillion's ego and then another accused that one of being a fan of Unicorn woman or something, which I assumed was a Katic reference, so I stopped reading... Ah, the Interwebs.

[verdana]

Yeah, it's quite an eye opener reading the comments sections these days at the likes of EW, TV Guide, TV Line etc. Normally there's a reasonable disparity of views amongst fans but not with this one, if this story was a patient the family would be begging the doctors for the life support to be turned off, let it die a peaceful death. 

 

Had to laugh though that amongst all the ranting and raging there was this message:

 

What about Lanie and Esposito?  I loved their dynamics.  Why did they cut them out?

Oh yeah Esplaine how could I forget, I'm bitching about the Caskett separation, they're missing Esplaine, ahhh the joys of the Castle fandom, we all love different things which is how it should be. Hawley and Winter are missing a trick there get Esplaine back at least they'll please one viewer. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by verdana

[S55]

I thought there was already a cosmic reason, in that his books got her through the most difficult time in her life. Or have the totally forgotten that?

 

Oh but that's sooooo season 1. It's a whole new "fun" show now. Didn't you get that memo? <snort> 

[Cyranetta]

Ran across a bit from the TV Critic of the OC register regarding what to watch (or not) tonight:

 

"One of the saddest experiences for a TV fan is to watch a favorite show thrashing through its death throes, struggling to reinvent itself but just making things worse in the process."

 

As with other media articles, the comments are almost uniformly negative.

[KaveDweller]

Such is the case with “Castle” in its eighth season. Richard Castle (Nathan Fillion) isn’t a novelist any more, he’s a private eye. Kate Beckett (Stana Katic) is a police captain. The couple now are separated as part of a season-long plot twist that destroys the best thing about the show: the interplay between the two.

 

I don't disagree with the point of that article, but it does seem wrong to me to say Castle's not a novelist any more. I was under the impression that he was still writing and was just going to do the PI thing for fun to take place of following Beckett around.  And now he's doing it to have an excuse to see Beckett.  But I didn't think he just gave up writing.

[verdana]

Watch 'The Voice,' skip 'Castle' and 'Bigfoot Captured' at The Orange Country Register

Richard Castle (Nathan Fillion) isn’t a novelist any more, he’s a private eye. Kate Beckett (Stana Katic) is a police captain. The couple now are separated as part of a season-long plot twist that destroys the best thing about the show: the interplay between the two.

 

“Castle” was never exactly a work of genius; it was a sly bit of fun that succeeded by not taking itself too seriously. Revving up the drama amplifies the weakest part of the series at the expense of the strongest.

 

Fair points made here, Castle and Beckett interactions are what make the show special. 

[CastleSeason8]

Watch 'The Voice,' skip 'Castle' and 'Bigfoot Captured' at The Orange Country Register

Fair points made here, Castle and Beckett interactions are what make the show special.

Yes, on target. Notice writer here says re: split "as part of season long arc"

[Cyranetta]

Curiously, Castle opinion showed up the Twitter feed of a blogger normally known for political commentary, and he echoed in the followup tweets the same thing I'm seeing time and again -- sadness.

[KaveDweller]

Yes, on target. Notice writer here says re: split "as part of season long arc"

 

I'm not sure how the writer knows anything more than the rest of us about how long the break up will last. He's probably just referring to TPTB saying they have an arc planned out all season and is speculating about what that means. I wouldn't take it as confirmation of anything one way or another.

[WendyCR72]

Castle writer Barry Schindel has a pilot order for a new crime drama series on ABC starring Jada Pinkett-Smith.

[AntiBeeSpray]

Curiously, Castle opinion showed up the Twitter feed of a blogger normally known for political commentary, and he echoed in the followup tweets the same thing I'm seeing time and again -- sadness.

 

Yea, just went and read what he said on his feed. He burns the show but good. Don't blame him either.

[WendyCR72]

I realize the acrimonious history of the two shows, but I'll say it: The Castle PTB need to take a page from Bones insofar as to how to write a married couple. The new show runners there, while definitely not perfect, seem to be trying.

 

And it helps when the leads, you know, do their jobs. (SK/NF are following script, but I still think...other issues...have contributed to this mess.)

[Julia]

I realize the acrimonious history of the two shows, but I'll say it: The Castle PTB need to take a page from Bones insofar as to how to write a married couple. The new show runners there, while definitely not perfect, seem to be trying.

 

And it helps when the leads, you know, do their jobs. (SK/NF are following script, but I still think...other issues...have contributed to this mess.)

 

They just haven't caught up yet (not that I imagine they have time).

 

Still, Marlowe always said Castle was Bones on an accelerated schedule. Which means they're just past the point where the two of them finally got together and then Brennan had to run away for most of a year because the big bad was after her and she had to protect her family. Next comes the part where she got back and the big bad blackmailed Booth to refuse to marry her and not tell her why. The last gasp of the former showrunners was Booth getting thrown out of the house for the back half of the last season because after twelve years of recovery he started gambling again after taking part in an poker game while he was undercover and borrowed six figures from a gangster who knew where he lived.

 

I wish I thought if either of them died for their sins it wouldn't be blamed on the moonlighting curse.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Julia

[oberon55]

"Story? There's no story. You and Duke play two old cowboys." That's what Howard Hawks (producer/director) told Robert Mitchum when he invited the star to act in his new movie, El Dorado (1966)." "He was right," Mitchum later recalled. "It was all character development." To me that's what Castle was in a nutshell. No real story. Just characters that had good on screen chemistry. Neither the horrible continuity or the silly over the top plots stopped me from watching because I simply enjoyed seeing the characters grow & interact together. For me that was the engine that drove the show. I can only push a car with no engine so far before I give up from exhaustion. I'm getting pretty damn tired of pushing right about now.

[BellyLaughter]

I'm laughing at the number of Castle peeps on Twitter extolling the virtues of last nights episode - how cool and funny it was. Molly Quinn even believes it will end up being a fan fave.

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.....

[madmaverick]

I don't see how the opinions of the people who liked the episode are any less valid than those who did not.

[BellyLaughter]

It's not as long as they aren't on the payroll.

ETA I wasn't referring to fans - I was referring to members of the cast and crew. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Edited November 10, 2015 by BellyLaughter

[AntiBeeSpray]

The only difference with Bones is that through it all, you got a sense they really loved and felt a connection to one another,, and at least when something happened to split them apart, the other person knew what was going on. Even when Booth tried to keep it a secret, Brennan knew there was something deeper going on. She refused to hate him and continued to show her love and faith in him. 

 

The other part is that they show playful scenes. They also show two people completely hot for each other. The playfulness has a sexy tone that makes you be able to tell it goes into all aspects of their lives.

 

And while Booth can get silly at times, and David kind of has the same slapstick sensibility as Nathan, they do rein it in quite a bit. He gets some scenes like that, but he's always competent at his job, and you never forget it.

 

What they've done with Castle is take the basic plot points of Bones without any substance behind it. Even if you just felt a special connection between the characters. If Beckett kind of came to Castle tearfully and said she had to leave but couldn't explain why right now, but it had nothing to do with him...and she made it clear she loved him...it would have been different.

 

It's not only the plot points, but the way they're handling the whole thing that makes it all on the surface and seem like a backslide of the characters.

 

On Bones, they have never backslid the characters. No matter what the ridiculous plot, you never doubt they love each other and feel a connection to each other. You see them at home being a married couple and dealing with kids, and it doesn't make the show boring or any of those things Hawley said. 

 

This. ^

 

They did for a bit before Booth and Brennan got together, but even that didn't affect things all that much. It's what's keeping me around. Those two (along with the writers) are kicking some serious ass right now.

 

Castle... is... just treading water right now. And it's really sad.

I realize the acrimonious history of the two shows, but I'll say it: The Castle PTB need to take a page from Bones insofar as to how to write a married couple. The new show runners there, while definitely not perfect, seem to be trying.

 

And it helps when the leads, you know, do their jobs. (SK/NF are following script, but I still think...other issues...have contributed to this mess.)

 

Word. Definitely. They've stepped up and have done a good job. Wished other shows, Castle included, would take a page from them and come up with more creative ways to create tension than just breaking the couple up.

[KaveDweller]

Word. Definitely. They've stepped up and have done a good job. Wished other shows, Castle included, would take a page from them and come up with more creative ways to create tension than just breaking the couple up.

 

I was thinking they could have done a similar plot with Kate wanting to investigate Locksat, but have Castle know. Instead of Rita giving that speech about how Kate has to give up Rick to follow her obsession, have Kate go home and tell Castle she thinks that AG woman was set up and that she wants to look into things. He either doesn't believe there'a a bigger conspiracy or does but doesn't want her to investigate.  But she can't help herself and he finds out, they argue and either decide to look into it together or stop and Kate goes to therapy for her Obsessive Justice Disorder. I'd prefer them to not be fighting at all, but some conflict is good if handled right. This would let them do everything else they claim to want without it being a total "time out."

 

Also, I think they should make Rita  Locksat. She may or may not also be Castle's stepmother, but she should definitely be lying to Beckett.

Edited November 11, 2015 by KaveDweller

[axj73]

I don't blame the writers for the mess that Castle has become. They tried to do the best they could with the circumstances presented to them, i.e. Two leads who allegedly no longer wish to work together. If I were the network boss and the show boss I would have told them to effing man up and perform the scenes necessary or take a hike. Fair enough if they want more time off but even if they took a day off each that still leaves 6 days to shoot. The whole argument that happy couples on tv are boring is such bull shit. IMHO it's an excuse to cover up the mess that is going on BTS.

[femmefan1946]

Also, I think they should make Rita  Locksat. She may or may not also be Castle's stepmother, but she should definitely be lying to Beckett.

 

I could accept this.

Probably better than my own theory that the entire conspiracy from Episode One is mostly Beckett's hallucinations from being off her PTSD meds.

They might even work together.

[CastleSeason8]

Here is my speculation:

A) Why i put any thought to this, or care, well ur guess is as good as mine

B) Im always wrong

When Castle was taken on his wedding day it was because of his connection to Kate. He was freting around in the jungle, getting shot and solving the drug ring/Bracken/Lostak connection. Once he did, he reallized that he needed to forgot or he would be faced with having to reveal all to Kate - if he did, she would plunge back in danger head first, so to protect her he decided to forget everything.

It will all come together. Both connected.

[metaphor]

Apparently, Castle and Beckett are gonna get trapped at sea with a killer in the fall finale. 

[Chado]

Watch Vikram be on the boat, wouldn't that be romantic

[verdana]

Watch Vikram be on the boat, wouldn't that be romantic

He can interrupt them, unless they get a seagull to crap on them instead. They've had a dog and a snake kill the mood already so why not a bird? 

 

Knowing our luck Castle will be trapped on one deck and Beckett on another heh. 

 

Best news there to see Perlmutter is back hooray! I wonder if he's going to start behaving OOC like everyone else is these days. If he's nice and friendly to Castle that means no one is immune from the showrunners meddling.

Thanks for the link metaphor.

Edited November 11, 2015 by verdana

[AntiBeeSpray]

KaveDweller if only you wrote for the show. Wow, would things be different right now if they'd treated the leads like they're mature adults.

 

 

If I read about one more showrunner saying happiness is boring, I'm going to pull out all of my hair.

 

Word. I heard that from one of the actors in the XF too, only it had to deal with the characters... he thought it was boring. Well some of us don't like poor writing. XD So I guess neither of us can win. Just hoping things will be ok. Hoping things straighten out with Castle.

I don't blame the writers for the mess that Castle has become. They tried to do the best they could with the circumstances presented to them, i.e. Two leads who allegedly no longer wish to work together. If I were the network boss and the show boss I would have told them to effing man up and perform the scenes necessary or take a hike. Fair enough if they want more time off but even if they took a day off each that still leaves 6 days to shoot. The whole argument that happy couples on tv are boring is such bull shit. IMHO it's an excuse to cover up the mess that is going on BTS.

 

Fair point. It sucks that it's gotten that bad. I hate when any show goes down this path. That the actors can't buck up and have the characters behave like adults is just ridiculous. 

[sugarrush]

I don't blame the writers for the mess that Castle has become. They tried to do the best they could with the circumstances presented to them, i.e. Two leads who allegedly no longer wish to work together. If I were the network boss and the show boss I would have told them to effing man up and perform the scenes necessary or take a hike. Fair enough if they want more time off but even if they took a day off each that still leaves 6 days to shoot. The whole argument that happy couples on tv are boring is such bull shit. IMHO it's an excuse to cover up the mess that is going on BTS.

 

This. I normally don't pay much attention to internet rumours, but I am starting to believe this one, especially after this writer/director tweeted the following:

 

 

He tweeted this long after that rumour about Nathan and Stana not wanting to work together for more than 2 days an episode first started. So, if that is indeed the case, and I strongly suspect that it is, then my respect for both actors is pretty much gone. I don't care how much you dislike someone you're working with. You get paid more in a week than most people get paid in a year. Be professional, do your jobs and don't screw over the fans who've kept you on the air for the past 8 seasons.

[AntiBeeSpray]

Word. ^ That. Hands down. Grow the heck up you guys.

 

Found a good example of it via the X Files, a member over on Tumblr (Roller-Derby-Goddess) posted a couple of quotes, one from 1998 when David and Gillian weren't getting along and one from 2015. What a world of difference. But here's the irony, they were still able to work and be in character and not let any negativity (for the most part) get in the way of doing a good job.

 

 

Duchovny 1998 vs Today
June 1998

He chats easily with everyone, it seems, except Gillian Anderson.
“We don’t really need to talk all the time or gossip, “ he says. “We’ve worked together so much we don’t want to. We have a relationship of reliance more than a friendship. The interaction we have, we save for work. We save it all up for the camera. It’s like a superstition almost.“   (When Duchovny and I pass a mannequin with an open mouth, he points at it and jokes,  That’s the Gillian Anderson blow-up sex doll.)

 

November 2015

“I think we got past that point. I think there were certainly times when we were shooting, when we were all exhausted, years ago, that we might have wanted to see other people on set beside each other. But now, I think really, it’s like …all that’s just evaporated. I think as you get older, I think if you’re lucky, if you’re maturing the stuff that used to bother you, the little things, kinda of evaporate and all that’s left is the heart, and that’s all we have left is just total appreciation of one another. So, I don’t know if that makes us like an old married couple, like a successful old married couple maybe, I don’t know.”

 

 

Source: http://roller-derby-goddess.tumblr.com/post/132912202531/duchovny-1998-vs-today#notes

 

Bolded the part that stands out to me. At least they were able to do that. And that's being a professional.

[westwingfan]

 

He tweeted this long after that rumour about Nathan and Stana not wanting to work together for more than 2 days an episode first started. So, if that is indeed the case, and I strongly suspect that it is, then my respect for both actors is pretty much gone. I don't care how much you dislike someone you're working with. You get paid more in a week than most people get paid in a year. Be professional, do your jobs and don't screw over the fans who've kept you on the air for the past 8 seasons.

 

I read that at the time, IF it refers to Castle I think there might be a flaw in his rant as the new showrunners had the ready made solution to pander to the wishes of their leads by promoting Beckett and resurrecting Castle's P.I. career, that in itself helps to keep them apart professionally and would still have attracted quite a bit of criticism from some quarters but I don't think the grumbling would have been much more than it had been during the past two seasons. The decison to have Beckett walk away from their marriage on top of their professional separation is, I think, the decision that has raised the level of dissatisfaction to what we have seen, in no way of course does that justify the loonies resorting to physical threats. If that is down to the showrunners then they do deserve the criticism from responsible fans who are not happy with that.

On the face of it the decision to write Beckett completely out of Cool Boys would also seem to be down to the showrunner because "XY" showed how they could still include a few Beckett scenes even when Stana wasn't available for most of the filming schedule. Caskett never met face to face In Plane Sight, only skyping a few scenes, and Beckett was hardly in that episode.

I guess we might find out eventually how much truth there is in these rumours once the show has folded.

[madmaverick]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

But most people seem to prefer to judge first, ask questions later (if ever).  

 

Rumour over any rigorous examination of actual facts.  

 

This is all exacerbated by the internet.  Human nature doesn't help either.  It's a sad reflection of human nature that internet comment sections are full of judgment and negativity more than anything else.

 

All I know is I wouldn't want to be judged based on rumour and supposition.

Edited November 11, 2015 by madmaverick

[AntiBeeSpray]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

But most people seem to prefer to judge first, ask questions later (if ever).  

 

Rumour over any rigorous examination of actual facts.  

 

This is all exacerbated by the internet.  Human nature doesn't help either.

 

All I know is I wouldn't want to be judged based on rumour and supposition.

 

Fair point. It could be a mix for all we know. But whatever it is, it certainly isn't making the show look good. That's for sure.

[Bubbi63]

Rumors have run rampant on this show for almost as long as it has been on the air. I do not buy it--at least not until I see some facts to back it up.  Both leads are known for their professional work ethic and I do not think that even if there is truth in there somewhere that either of them would suddenly risk their future careers by acting unprofessional.

 

It is human nature when a well loved show begins to come apart at the seams with no explanation to look to blame BTS actions as the reason.  When the reason could be as simple as the new show runners had this great idea that does not work.  There are to many other things wrong with the show to blame it on BTS issues with the leads.

 

Way back after the new show runners were named--they and the head of ABC gave interviews of all their grand plans. SK for her part did an interview wanting this and Hal said as much too because she wanted her character to have "meat". The so called issues maybe nothing more than SK wanting a more dramatic bent while NF preferred the status quo.  But neither her or NF created this arc.

 

It is natural if the cast including the leads are becoming tired and now with a few of them with new projects in the works time is precious but none of them are dumb enough to bite the hand that led them here imo.  One creator/ show runner opened the coffin with the wedding that wasn't and now yet another set of show runners have nailed the coffin shut. All that remains is the burial that we all know is coming.

I am not even a fan of some of them but not for a minute do I believe BTS actions by any cast member has caused this. JMO

[verdana]

Erik Altstadt ‏@EAkorn  3h3 hours ago

This season on #Castle...we figure out the link between towels and anniversaries. #EriksTeases

 

[WendyCR72]

The fact is, we will never know the truth insofar as actor relations go unless someone writes a tell all or E! does another True Hollywood Story show on Castle. But with that said...

 

These rumors have been around for some time now, and...I don't know...with the separation on screen and rumors of wanting less work and those long-standing rumors of strife, the old saying, "Where there's smoke, there's fire" comes to mind for me.

 

I hope I am wrong! I'd hate to think NF/SK can be so spoiled and unprofessional, but I don't think this all comes down to complete fiction, either.

[Bubbi63]

OK--but where is the smoke?  Where did it come from? Who started it?  It is just as easy for me to believe there are show runners with rather large egos thinking they can fix what others messed up (just a thought not saying it is so).

If it is so--the fact that we really do not know is a testimony to the professionalism of our 2 leads.........imo

[madmaverick]

"Where there's smoke, there's fire" comes to mind for me.

 

I know that's a common saying but I personally don't subscribe to it.  If you look around the internet, there's so much crap out there that isn't factually verified but there are people who believe it by virtue of it being on the internet. ;)  Anyone can publish anything now on the internet.  And it can be virtually impossible to remove even something that's factually untrue.  Even the news gets it wrong sometimes because some people have slackened off rigorous fact checking in the internet age and just automatically believe something if it was cited elsewhere or if it was on wiki. ;)

 

It's like those gay rumours in Hollywood.  Once they're out there, they're out there.  But I don't think it follows that every actor who has had a gay rumour is actually gay.

 

Even if the reality is that their relationship isn't as it once was, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a relationship of causation between that and the storyline on the show.  When people who are working with them seem to be consistently effusive in their praise of the set environment, I think those opinions are worth bearing in mind when weighing up rumours of unprofessionalism.  I think they deserve that courtesy and consideration at the very least.

[Sonik Tooth]

I don't really see them as spoiled and unprofessional. Their contract was up for renewal, they re negotiated more favourable terms. That's what I do at my workplace every year...or try to do (and sometimes succeed:-)

Now, the network? apparently agreed. The bad thing for the showrunners might be that they have to work with those new terms of availability and favoured storylines (if those were voiced by the actors), and probably on top of it had to comply to the network wishes (nothing to serial, COTW formula). But as in real life, if you have a "leadership position", there are always obstacles you have to navigate around them and make it work.

[madmaverick]

To lighten the conversation somewhat, I was amused by this bts pic posted by the camera guy, Andrew.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTeMddBUsAEfsRX.jpg:large

 

Laughing at Jon Huertas reading his lines while on a hovertrax.  Probably Nathan's.  Tempted to say, "Boys and their toys", but I just saw a grown woman on one in the park the other day.  Give me a bike any day, but I'm guessing the hovertrax will be flying off shelves for Christmas if they aren't already.  Funny to see Jon a head taller than Seamus.  But might not be enough to overtake Adam Baldwin heh.  It was a bit odd to see Slaughter towering over Castle when Castle's usually the one towering over others.    

 

Whenever I see bts pics, it's hard for me to ignore how many people are there on set watching the actors work.  It's their job to perform before an audience of course but I personally would not enjoy that degree of scrutiny!  And it makes me think there's not only not much room for error, but also not much room for unprofessional behaviour with all the people watching.  I mean, anyone can behave badly, but would you really want to in a room full of people staring at you?