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Well at least we're getting the happy ending wrapped up version. People might actually tune in for the series finale. Didn't Susan say that 8 years was a good run? ShayJean can finally release their music and Nathan has more free time to do Marvel stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a recurring guest role on AoS next. 

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WendyCR72
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Let me introduce you to How I Met Your Mother...

Sara2009
Sara2009

Tbh, this drama is more interesting than the show has been in quite some time.

oberon55
oberon55

This is completely true. But at the same time I watch TV for escape. I watch all kinds of shows & have different expectations depending on the show. When I watch gritty shows like Breaking Bad or

mariah23

mariah23

Just now, TWP said:

Bummer. With all those contracts, I wouldn't be surprised to find something else in the works.

I'm thrilled that the cancelation should quiet Twitter.

For me, 2 out of the 3 shows I watch with any enthusiasm are gone. Maybe Big Bang Theory will stay, but since I like it, probably not.

Big Bang had a multi-year renewal.  It will be back next year.

Betweenthisandthat

Betweenthisandthat

I'm sorry for the people out of work on Castle, but that's show business.  I wouldn't have faulted it for continuing, but then I never understood the logic of it.  

1 minute ago, madmaverick said:

Tptb just found their new drama pilots more promising than a Castle S9.   

Yep.  Time for something new.  Congratulations to fans who wanted the show to remain intact.  

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

Just now, madmaverick said:

If it really is cancelled, I'm not sorry to see it go and Caskett can get the happy ending they deserve.  But I bet it'll still be a rather anticlimatic ending courtesy of Locksat.

All that rage for nothing. ;)

I don't think the cancellation decision had that much to do with any fan cancellation campaign, though no doubt those supporters will think they made a difference. ;)  Tptb just found their new drama pilots more promising than a Castle S9.   

The fans who had the #cancelcastle campaign will probably be really annoying in taking credit....I would love to hear what actually convinced ABC and when they decided, especially considering that they've been negotiating with the actors.

I do feel bad for the other actors who will see fans celebrating them being out of work, but I think it is more fans celebrating the happy ending. Hopefully people will be nice on Twitter.

I guess we'll never know how the ratings would have been impacted with a dead Beckett. 

MaryM47

MaryM47

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It's been nice hanging out on the board.

Ditto! If any of you loiter about in other forums, perhaps we can cross paths there. I usually check out the Scandal gossip and trash talk poor music and fashion choices on The Voice forum. And when the new Gilmore Girls episodes finally air, I will be all over that like cream in coffee!

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

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5 minutes ago, Finis Terre said:

Not fair towards those fans who simply didn't want the show to return without one of its principal actors. Personally, I'm glad ABC got cold feet.

I agree, but there were going to be people upset with either decision.  It's not unreasonable to acknowledge that.

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McManda

McManda

I'm sad. Castle is still my favorite and I hate knowing it's over. I love this show and I'm very glad it got a chance and a long run. Honestly, I can s myself going back and rewatching in the future.

But at the same time, I'm happy that there's not a chance that the show I love is going to go horribly, horribly wrong. I was game for a lot of things; I watched through the near-wedding and a fake breakup with the hope that it could be better, but I could not fathom watching the show I love become a bastardized version of itself and that's what it sounds like was starting to happen when it was let spill that Stana wasn't coming back. 

It's like putting a pet to sleep. I hate that it's happening and it makes me beyond sad for so many reasons, but at least there's no more chance of suffering and I can hold on to the happy memories.

I hope that Hawley and TPW deliver on a happy, tied up ending ... maybe I can watch the series finale knowing that I'll get the happy ending I wanted for the show.

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TWP

TWP

1 minute ago, MaryM47 said:

Sorry, TWP. I really loved The Muppets, too. But as my hubby said, they get cancelled every year, and yet they always come back in some form or another. Felt never dies! 

I was actually kidding.  I haven't watched since the first couple of episodes.  But I was glad they were around.  They are solid ground ;-). Felt never dies!

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

5 minutes ago, Kromm said:

I suppose a few could feel that way, but I suspect most of them knew all along it was an epically bad idea to continue.

Probably, but I bet the pile of money help with that.

2 minutes ago, McManda said:

I'm sad. Castle is still my favorite and I hate knowing it's over. I love this show and I'm very glad it got a chance and a long run. Honestly, I can s myself going back and rewatching in the future.

But at the same time, I'm happy that there's not a chance that the show I love is going to go horribly, horribly wrong. I was game for a lot of things; I watched through the near-wedding and a fake breakup with the hope that it could be better, but I could not fathom watching the show I love become a bastardized version of itself and that's what it sounds like was starting to happen when it was let spill that Stana wasn't coming back. 

It's like putting a pet to sleep. I hate that it's happening and it makes me beyond sad for so many reasons, but at least there's no more chance of suffering and I can hold on to the happy memories.

I hope that Hawley and TPW deliver on a happy, tied up ending ... maybe I can watch the series finale knowing that I'll get the happy ending I wanted for the show.

I will put up with a lot to get to a happy ending, so I'm glad it looks like we're getting that.  And I guess this means I won't have to break my tradition of watching all shows to the bitter end (because I couldn't have done that with a dead Beckett).

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Finis Terre

Finis Terre

7 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

I agree, but there were going to be people upset with either decision.  It's not unreasonable to acknowledge that.

Well, I certainly refuse to acknowledge the idea that fans are happy about actors losing jobs, specifically. Some of the fandom has been very angry, but not unreasonable. 

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Kromm

Kromm

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10 minutes ago, SweetTooth said:

They will take it and move on to another show, just like countless other actors. This is Hollywood,

And some won't. But they were going to face that decision 13 or so episodes later no matter what.

Heck, in theory this is a chance for the guys like Huertas and Dever to upgrade to lead roles somewhere. Unlikely, but you never know. It's certainly bound to be easier for them than the female actors (although Molly Quinn is still young enough to perhaps transition to movies--assuming she's got better acting chops than she's ever displayed on this show).

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McManda

McManda

3 minutes ago, SweetTooth said:

I still think even if they were renewed, they wouldn't have killed Beckett. 

I agree, but I'm still not sure that would have made a Beckett-less season any more palatable.

Ever since the news broke Stana was done I was of the opinion that they should just end the show. I just think it sucks that Castle ended in BTS drama and uncertainty instead of a fond farewell.

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MaryM47

MaryM47

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Castle had it's chance. The Muppets hardly did.

Yeah, it's a whole new world out there for new shows. Some get cancelled after only 2 airings - some legitimately so because they're crap - but the networks today often give people so little time to absorb a new show into their lives. Back in the day, IIRC, Seinfeld and Cheers floundered for quite some time before finding their audiences. 

KaveDweller

KaveDweller

7 minutes ago, Finis Terre said:

Well, I certainly refuse to acknowledge the idea that fans are happy about actors losing jobs, specifically. Some of the fandom has been very angry, but not unreasonable. 

I didn't mean that fans were happy about actors losing jobs, I meant that it may seem that way to actors if they see cheering about the cancellation.

Kromm

Kromm

1 minute ago, KaveDweller said:

I didn't mean that fans were happy about actors losing jobs, I meant that it may seem that way to actors if they see cheering about the cancellation.

If they're going to be that upset about Internet wailing, it would probably be time for them to find a different job that doesn't involve the public.

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TWP

TWP

2 minutes ago, MaryM47 said:

Yeah, it's a whole new world out there for new shows. Some get cancelled after only 2 airings - some legitimately so because they're crap - but the networks today often give people so little time to absorb a new show into their lives. Back in the day, IIRC, Seinfeld and Cheers floundered for quite some time before finding their audiences. 

It's strange because I watched both of those shows religiously in the day, but really can't stand them now.

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Kromm

Kromm

Just now, TWP said:

It's strange because I watched both of those shows religiously in the day, but really can't stand them now.

Cheers doesn't age very well. I'd argue that Seinfeld is less bound by it's time, however in it's case a lot of people just have soured on the whole kind of humor it represents.

1 minute ago, MaryM47 said:

Hmm...hadn't thought about that. And canceling "Castle" would be a way to separate the "new" show from the now tainted "original" 

And Galavant rides off into the sunset...

That's gone too?

The biggest tragedy of all. Then again it felt like a blessing just to get a second season.

TWP

TWP

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5 minutes ago, MaryM47 said:

Hmm...hadn't thought about that. And canceling "Castle" would be a way to separate the "new" show from the now tainted "original" 

And Galavant rides off into the sunset...

Yes, working that hard to ink deals when I suspect they knew the show was dead tells me that maybe, just maybe, something new is on the horizon.

But who knows.

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McManda

McManda

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Hmm...hadn't thought about that. And canceling "Castle" would be a way to separate the "new" show from the now tainted "original" 

I'm of the opposite opinion: if they decide to spinoff into Castle: PI it would separate the tainted spinoff from the original. At least that way I can still enjoy the show I love and pretend any potential universe where Beckett is missing/hiding/dead/whatever doesn't exist.

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

3 minutes ago, MaryM47 said:

Hmm...hadn't thought about that. And canceling "Castle" would be a way to separate the "new" show from the now tainted "original" 

But a new show wouldn't be able to go into syndication yet, and that was supposedly the only reason Castle makes any money these days.

I would really love to know ABC's thought process on this whole thing. For all their shows.

CheshireCat

CheshireCat

8 minutes ago, SweetTooth said:

Castle, P.I. spin-off, here we come.

I have to say, if we really get our happy Castle ending now then they can make all the spin-offs they want to make. They can make a Castle spin-off and a Ryan-Espo spin-off, a Haley-Alexis spin-off... Hell, even Martha can get a spin-off is she so desires, I really don't care. Although, I never really cared about that, I just thought that the best chance the couple of Castle and Beckett has to get a happy ending is when the show gets cancelled which is why I was hoping for cancellation.

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TWP

TWP

9 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

I didn't mean that fans were happy about actors losing jobs, I meant that it may seem that way to actors if they see cheering about the cancellation.

I suspect those who are cheering have already been blocked via the block list that the cast sent around to one another.  If they're smart, they blocked those folks.

metaphor

metaphor

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40 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

I don't trust we'll get that until I see it ...

Yeah, I'm also a bit wary. All that the showrunners said, I think, is that they crafted something that would bring closure in the event that the series is not renewed. Whether it's the happy ending that fans have been envisioning is anyone's guess. 

Having said that, given that I could not think of a way they could write Beckett out for good and have Castle move on that would leave me looking back at the series as a whole with fondness, I am glad that the show gets to end with Castle and Beckett. It's always been about both of them, after all. 

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CheshireCat

CheshireCat

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All I'm seeing is a lot of fans either simply saying it was the right decision, saying it's sad that it's come to this but it was the right decision or they're thanking the cast and crew for a wonderful 8 years but are glad the show won't continue without Beckett. Maybe there are those out there who are gleeful, but it seems many are just glad that Castle won't be back without Katic and full of gratitude for the eight seasons they got.

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McManda

McManda

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All I'm seeing is a lot of fans either simply saying it was the right decision, saying it's sad that it's come to this but it was the right decision or they're thanking the cast and crew for a wonderful 8 years but are glad the show won't continue without Beckett. Maybe there are those out there who are gleeful, but it seems many are just glad that Castle won't be back without Katic and full of gratitude for the eight seasons they got.

I fall into this category. I'm immensely sad to lose the show I love/d, but at this point, it was the best decision and if I'm glad for anything it's that I don't have to see my favorite change into a completely different thing.

I still don't think any of this makes sense, but if budgetary reasons were why they axed a co-lead then there was more to cancelling the show than we're aware of. (I still don't believe big, bad, bully Nathan scared Stana away, so there's that.)

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The showrunners are going to want an ending that people would talk about. That won't necessarily be a happy one.

Yeah, but there's not much point in ending in a cliffhanger that will get no resolution or ending in an ending that would implode the show. They're done. A safer choice would be to end in a HEA and try to get people to talk about the fondness for the show and how it was a satisfying and fitting end than anything else. All they've got left is their legacy ... and they're not going to want people hating how it ends and never wanting to rewatch the syndicated stuff.

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MaryM47

MaryM47

Reactions on Twitter for those who don't indulge:

Marlowe: To the whole Castle family- our amazing cast, our remarkable crew, our imaginative writers & our wonderful fans, thank you for 8 amzing yrs!

Jon: Was a good run but #Castle done.

Toks: It's been a blast, a pleasure and an honor! One of the most fun and fulfilling years of my entire life! I am SO grateful for it ALL #Castle

Terri: To all our amazing #castle cast and crew whom we have loved and had the privilege of working with, thank you!

And Seamus posted the cast and crew pic from the season 7 almost series finale on his instragram with no comment.

MaryM47

MaryM47

I would like to see Nashville wrapped up and not have all these characters and fans left hanging.

ABC's not the only one wielding the axe today: FOX has cancelled Grandfathered and The Grinder, 2 perfectly decent sit-coms. They must be pretty happy with their pilot choices. 

So far today l've lost 7 of my shows (Hello, my name is Mary, and I am a TV-aholic) and several more are hanging on the wrong side of the balance.

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

16 minutes ago, metaphor said:

Yeah, I'm also a bit wary. All that the showrunners said, I think, is that they crafted something that would bring closure in the event that the series is not renewed. Whether it's the happy ending that fans have been envisioning is anyone's guess. 

I guess, but why would they bother with a second ending in case it got cancelled unless it was to do that. I mean, if the cliffhanger was Beckett getting shot and bleeding out, why have a alternate ending showing she definitely dies? That would be really terrible of them.

TWP

TWP

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A list of recent lousy endings.

They may decide that we got our happy ending at season 7, and they'd rather make a "worst" list than no list at all.  It will be interesting. 

These showrunners have a much different definition of "fun" than we do.  They may think a shitty ending is fun!  Who knows.

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metaphor

metaphor

17 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

I guess, but why would they bother with a second ending in case it got cancelled unless it was to do that. I mean, if the cliffhanger was Beckett getting shot and bleeding out, why have a alternate ending showing she definitely dies? That would be really terrible of them.

Oh, for what it's worth, I personally don't expect a tragic ending or anything like that. Sorry if it came off that way. But as pointed out above,  the showrunners seem to have a different definition of the word "fun" from some viewers (including me).  So it remains to be seen whether the ending chosen for this show that's been on top of my must watch list for years will indeed satisfy me as a viewer. Just keeping my expectations somewhat low. 

I'm curious, too, whether and how they'll wrap up the stories of the other characters. I'd tend to think a series wrap up would require a bit more screen time than a cliffhanger, so I wonder how much editing will have to be done to alter the ending. 

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