Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RulerofallIsurvey]

10 minutes ago, Curio said:

Regina and Robin were completely content on raising Pistachio by themselves when Regina sent Zelena away in the tornado the first time around.

Yes, but this New!Robin never married Marion and never had Roland.  So, maybe I'm off, but I'm presuming that would mean he was never involved with Zelena, and therefore Pistachio isn't "his."  Why would he want to raise someone else's kid with a woman (Regina) he doesn't even know?  (I'm also not expecting this Robin to immediately fall all over Regina for her bold audaciousness. - silly of me, right?)  But even if this one does fall for Regina also  - wouldn't that still be an awkward situation for him with Pistachio?  Again - not his kid.    

And....what @Rumsy4 said a lot faster!  

Edited February 8, 2017 by RulerofallIsurvey
slow fingers

[Curio]

3 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Yeah. But fake!Robin doesn't have those emotional or blood ties to Pistachio. Besides, didn't A&E say fak!Robin is not sticking around? My vote is for Ruby and Dorothy to suddenly reenter the story and adopt Pistachio.

2 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Yes, but this New!Robin never married Marion and never had Roland.  So, maybe I'm off, but I'm presuming that would mean he was never involved with Zelena, and therefore Pistachio isn't "his."  Why would he want to raise someone else's kid with a woman (Regina) he doesn't even know?  (I'm also not expecting this Robin to immediately fall all over Regina for her bold audaciousness. - silly of me, right?)  But even if this one does fall for Regina also  - wouldn't that still be an awkward situation for him with Pistachio?  Again - not his kid.    

We have no idea what personality this new Robin will have. Old Robin was completely fine with dating the woman who was responsible for torturing his wife in the past, had sex with her in a crypt while his ex wife was frozen, and used his own child as bait to lure an evil spirit. New Robin falling in love with Regina again and adopting his girlfriend's niece isn't exactly farfetched.

I'm curious how long New Robin is sticking around for. I know A&E mentioned it wasn't going to be a long term thing, but they also have a knack for lying in interviews and could have just said that to fool the online fans.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

You know, if/until Fake!Robin leaves, having both him and Pistachio in the scene could lead to some great comedic moments, since her (Pistachio's) name is also technically Robin:

Zelena (cooing to her baby); "Do you need your nappy changed, Robin?"

Not!Robin (horrified): "Who are you, lady?  Don't touch me!"

But I doubt the writers will be clever enough to do it.  

[Curio]

I'm legit concerned about Roland. Will Regina feel any obligation to introduce Robin to the kid he should have had? Or will it be too traumatic for Roland to see his dead father come back to life with a different personality?

And yes, @RulerofallIsurvey, they better have some fantastic Robin/Robin scenes. At the very least, it's a segue for New Robin to ask why she's named after him, and Regina can fill him in on Old Robin.

I'm still waiting for spoilers about a Regina/EQ/Robin love triangle. It's the only thing that could make Outlaw Queen entertaining to me at this point.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

3 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm still waiting for spoilers about a Regina/EQ/Robin love triangle. It's the only thing that could make Outlaw Queen entertaining to me at this point.

I don't know how you're thinking it would pan out, but to me, it would be hilarious if Not!Robin fell for the EQ, who wants nothing to do with him because maybe he's too 'good at heart' while Regina is running around trying to get him to fall in love with her again.  

But they'll never do that either.  :(

[Shanna Marie]

I'm sure New Robin will be into Regina because they'll still be soulmates. And the relationship will get just as much development as it did before, which means they'll declare them soulmates and kiss a lot and leave it at that.

8 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm legit concerned about Roland. Will Regina feel any obligation to introduce Robin to the kid he should have had? Or will it be too traumatic for Roland to see his dead father come back to life with a different personality?

Roland went back to the Enchanted Forest with his real dad, Little John (remember his touching good-bye to his mother's murderer?). So he's not around for introductions, unless they use one of the 2,985,987 ways of traveling to the Enchanted Forest and take a little trip to introduce Robin to the son he never had.

[Souris]

17 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm curious how long New Robin is sticking around for. I know A&E mentioned it wasn't going to be a long term thing, but they also have a knack for lying in interviews and could have just said that to fool the online fans.

Spoiler sources have said five eps.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

15 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

I'm sure New Robin will be into Regina because they'll still be soulmates.

Wouldn't that mean he's soulmates with the EQ too?

[Souris]

20 minutes ago, Souris said:

Musical ep prep report.

Choreographer/director let this out of the bag. Oops!

Some thoughts:

*Weird mix of SB & EF locations.
*Looks like it opens with little Emma in a group home -- maybe her dream?
*If it's real time, Hook is separated from everybody still and Zelena isn't dead.
*Ugh, August again.
*Lot of Regina. Of course.
*Looks like they may be filming some of it in Steveston since it calls for Main Street of SB exteriors.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Souris

[Curio]

Jane has written episode 20 the past two seasons, it makes sense that she'd be assigned the musical one. 

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INT: GROUP HOME BEDROOM*
INT: EMMA'S HOUSE
EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL*
INT: CHARMING'S BEDROOM*
EXT: EMMA'S HOUSE
INT: EVIL QUEEN'S LAIR*
INT: EQ'S LAIR/HALL OF MIRRORS*
INT: DRAWF MINES*
INT: HOVEL (GRANNY'S)*
INT: PINOCCHIO'S SHOP*
INT: MARY MARGARET'S LOFT
INT: JOLLY ROGER CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS
EXT: MAIN STREET - STORYBROOKE
EXT: JOLLY ROGER/DOCKS*
INT: GOLD'S SHOP
INT: EQ'S DUNGEON - FTL
INT: ZELENA'S (WIZARD'S) CHAMBER - OZ*
INT: REGINA'S VAULT
INT: MAYOR'S OFFICE*
EXT: GRANNY'S/MAIN STREET*

 

I'm guessing the * means that scene has a musical number in it?

Why is Pinocchio still a thing?

Edited February 10, 2017 by Curio

[Souris]

Just now, Curio said:

Jane has written episode 20 the past two seasons, it makes sense that she'd be assigned the musical one. 

I'm guessing the * means that scene has a musical number in it?

Why is Pinocchio still a thing?

Ah, I didn't even notice the *! If that's the case, Lana will get three songs, Josh two and nobody else more than one.

Please tell me the opening isn't some riff on "It's a Hard-Knock Life."

I want to know why the hell Pinocchio is still a thing too!

Zelena is in Oz.

[Kktjones]

Hmm...I see an "EXT" scene on the Jolly Roger/Docks. I wonder if this is Hook finally returning from his adventure?

Funny that Regina/EQ seems to have a heavy lift in this ep given that Lana has claimed she can't sing!

[Souris]

11 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Hmm...I see an "EXT" scene on the Jolly Roger/Docks. I wonder if this is Hook finally returning from his adventure?

I wondered the same for a hot minute, but apparently not. It seems like it's gonna be a pirate flashback given this casting call for dancers.

Funny that Regina/EQ seems to have a heavy lift in this ep given that Lana has claimed she can't sing!

Has she? Well, clearly that's not an impediment for A&E!

Edited February 8, 2017 by Souris

[Hookian]

You guys do know that this list does not indicate musical numbers correct. It just indicates where scenes take place and Pinocchio isn't a thing. They could literally just have a scene in his shop with Gepetto.

28 minutes ago, Curio said:

Jane has written episode 20 the past two seasons, it makes sense that she'd be assigned the musical one. 

I'm guessing the * means that scene has a musical number in it?

Why is Pinocchio still a thing?

I doubt the asterisk is any indication. There's not gonna be 11 songs in the episode. That is straight up impossible.

49 minutes ago, Souris said:

Choreographer/director let this out of the bag. Oops!

Some thoughts:

*Weird mix of SB & EF locations.
*Looks like it opens with little Emma in a group home -- maybe her dream?
*If it's real time, Hook is separated from everybody still and Zelena isn't dead.
*Ugh, August again.
*Lot of Regina. Of course.
*Looks like they may be filming some of it in Steveston since it calls for Main Street of SB exteriors.

How is Hook separated when him and JMO filmed together for 17? Also he was on set yesterday when NA came to set.

 

 

I think some of you purposely sound this way so people could coddle you and make you feel better honestly,lol.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Hookian

[RedKeep]

It's not like it'll have to be 11 full-blown musical numbers of 2-3 minutes each. It might indeed just mean 11 scenes featuring any type of musical feature, be it signing or dancing, of whatever length.

But honestly, if the wild mix of locations is anything to go by... yeah, I'm still preparing myself for a giant, hot mess.

[Hookian]

1 minute ago, RedKeep said:

It's not like it'll have to be 11 full-blown musical numbers of 2-3 minutes each. It might indeed just mean 11 scenes featuring any type of musical feature, be it signing or dancing, of whatever length.

But honestly, if the wild mix of locations is anything to go by... yeah, I'm still preparing myself for a giant, hot mess.

I'm not taking the asterisk to mean anything at this point. Personally this seems pretty balanced to me.

And if Zelena is in Oz let's leave her there, please.

[tri4335]

I assume the musical numbers could be like Galavant's where there was basically a ensemble with the characters at different locations.  I only see two FTL notations, does that mean that Hovel (Granny's) and Pinocchio's shop EQ Lair/Hall of Mirrors are in SB?

[KingOfHearts]

I'm hoping Zelena is only in Oz for a flashback. There seems to be flashbacks at play, since there's a scene at Charming's castle, another at Regina's castle, and somehow one at Granny's hovel of all places. It's all over the place. And if there are musical flashbacks, how could you explain the music part? If a spell makes everyone sing, that won't affect their pasts. 

This roster poses more questions than answers.

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And if Zelena is in Oz let's leave her there, please.

I really want better for Zelena... she is my favorite character right now. (Which is more of an insult to all the other characters than a compliment to her.)

Edited February 9, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

I still suspect it'll be a dream. Or the story book come to life or some such.

[daxx]

They could be having a group song in the present where each has a line about how they were in the past, a villains song and as each villain sings their line they are singing it in the past as their villainous self about their villainous self but it's not meant to show a specific flashback.

[Guest]

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INT: HOVEL (GRANNY'S)*

What is this about?  No indication its in the EF.

Is this another dig at Granny's Bed and Breakfast?  Like when they sent a pregnant Belle to bunk on the Jolly Roger because the prospect of her staying at Granny's was too horrifying to contemplate.

[KingOfHearts]

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What is this about?  No indication its in the EF.

All I can think of is, it's Granny's house from when she lived in FTL.

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They could be having a group song in the present where each has a line about how they were in the past, a villains song and as each villain sings their line they are singing it in the past as their villainous self about their villainous self but it's not meant to show a specific flashback.

This just makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6em5XNkiIA

Edited February 9, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

With or without the asterixes meaning songs--there's too much Regina. It's probably be more whining from Regina, in song form. Ugh. This season is the limit!!

Edited February 9, 2017 by Rumsy4

[Curio]

15 hours ago, RedKeep said:

It's not like it'll have to be 11 full-blown musical numbers of 2-3 minutes each. It might indeed just mean 11 scenes featuring any type of musical feature, be it signing or dancing, of whatever length.

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That's what I was thinking too. And some of those locations seem to be part of the same scene. For example, Charming's castle balcony and Charming's bedroom is probably the same 1-minute scene. The camera starts the establishing shot focusing on Charming standing on the balcony, and when he turns around and walks into the bedroom the scene continues seamlessly. 

14 hours ago, tri4335 said:

I only see two FTL notations, does that mean that Hovel (Granny's) and Pinocchio's shop EQ Lair/Hall of Mirrors are in SB?

 

I found that strange as well. Charming's castle balcony is noted as FTL, but the bedroom scene is not. I'd assume those are both the same scene, so maybe that's why it's not necessary to list the bedroom as FTL because it's already assumed, but I guess it could also mean we cut to Snowing's bed in the loft?

Edited February 9, 2017 by Curio

[KAOS Agent]

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With or without the asterixes meaning songs--there's too much Regina.

Location doesn't mean Regina will be there, you know. Hook/Emma had their best scene in 6A sitting alone in Regina's vault. No one would have seen that one coming. I'm not excited at all for 6B, but let's not go too far down the rabbit hole on how much the episode will feature any character simply based on location.

[YaddaYadda]

8 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Location doesn't mean Regina will be there, you know. Hook/Emma had their best scene in 6A sitting alone in Regina's vault. No one would have seen that one coming. I'm not excited at all for 6B, but let's not go too far down the rabbit hole on how much the episode will feature any character simply based on location.

I wanna click the like button a million times, but I can't. 

Regarding 6x18, it looks like we might be going back to Evil vs Wicked. I guess it could be a missing year flashback and Zelena could still leave Storybrooke at the end of the episode with her kid, and go back to Oz. They can just bring her back for the musical episode. 

[Shanna Marie]

10 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

I'm not excited at all for 6B, but let's not go too far down the rabbit hole on how much the episode will feature any character simply based on location.

On the other hand, history and writers' stated character preferences can inform a great deal of speculation.

[Curio]

I know the asterisks could mean anything, and maybe they're just a signal to the director that those scenes require major CGI work or something, but since this is the musical episode it would make sense if the asterisks denote a musical or dance number. Going off of that, I'm going to speculate how the episode goes...

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INT: GROUP HOME BEDROOM*

It's likely that this is an opening flashback scene to young Emma watching a Disney movie. @XrystalPond mentioned that during 6x11 August informs Emma that he used to check up on her periodically during her childhood. At first I thought this was a completely random line to throw in and a retcon to try and make him seem like less of a douchebag, but it makes sense that A&E would include that line if they planned on having a August/Emma flashback later in the season. So maybe this group home scene is between young August and Emma, and he suggests watching the movie "Pinocchio" for obvious reasons. The musical number here could be "When You Wish Upon a Star" playing on the television. No original music required. They probably wouldn't play the whole song, but even if young Emma only sings along with the movie for a few bars, that's enough for the director to need an asterisk to set up for a scene like that. Young Emma might even "wish upon a star" in that scene and make a wish that sets up the rest of the musical episode. "I wish my life was a Disney move" or something like that to explain the random musical numbers that are about to happen.

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INT: EMMA'S HOUSE

After the opening flashback scene, we cut to current day in Emma's house with no singing. This scene will have to establish the rules of the musical episode. So either this is the scene where Emma's wish she made when she was a child comes back to bite her (because A&E love punishing Emma for making innocent wishes), or she's literally sucked inside her television and sent to Disney Movie World, or perhaps the episode before this put Emma under a sleeping curse and she's already asleep on her couch at this point. 

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EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL*
INT: CHARMING'S BEDROOM*

 

Cut to a singing a flashback in Fairy Tale Land with Snow and Charming singing about being heroes or something cheesy. These two locations are the same scene—the establishing shot begins with Charming singing on the balcony, then he turns around and walks into his bedroom and continues the song. Maybe Emma is stuck in this musical world and is navigating a way to escape and stumbles upon her singing parents. Or this is Emma dreaming.

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EXT: EMMA'S HOUSE

Cut back to Emma's house. This is only an exterior shot with no singing, so maybe Hook and the Charmings realize Emma has gone missing and try to enter the house only to discover it has a magical barrier around it—no one is getting inside. Or, if Emma hasn't disappeared, this is just a random throwaway scene where Emma leaves her house.

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INT: EVIL QUEEN'S LAIR*
INT: EQ'S LAIR/HALL OF MIRRORS*

 

Now this scene confuses me. At first I assumed these locations took place in Fairy Tale Land, but they don't have the FTL note after them. These are also singing scenes, so if the singing can take place in FTL and Storybrooke, that kind of screws up my Emma-is-in-another-world theory. Maybe the Charming's balcony scene is just a weird dream Emma wakes up from? Why would the Evil Queen sing if she doesn't have to? Maybe she's behind all of this and this is her villainous "let me explain why I did all of this" singing monologue. Again, these two locations are the same scene/song. The Evil Queen begins singing about her nefarious plan in her lair, then she walks down a hall of mirrors. Maybe the Mirror World plays into this all somehow?

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INT: DRAWF MINES*
INT: HOVEL (GRANNY'S)*
INT: PINOCCHIO'S SHOP*

 

I'm lumping these three locations together as one scene. These could very well be quick cuts to different characters singing about their lives and it's all the same song. The weird thing is these don't take place in FTL, so the musical bug has hit Storybrooke.

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INT: MARY MARGARET'S LOFT

Cut to the loft where the gang is trying to brainstorm how to either A) find Emma, or B) stop everyone from randomly busting out into song. 

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INT: JOLLY ROGER CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS

Hook is trying to find the answer to all of this in his Captain's Quarters. I'm guessing this is just a solo scene where's he's rummaging through his bookshelf trying to find a magical MacGuffin to save the day.

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EXT: MAIN STREET - STORYBROOKE

Another random group walking/talking scene where they say a bunch of exposition while they determinedly march down Main Street.

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EXT: JOLLY ROGER/DOCKS*

It's weird that this doesn't say FTL because the casting call for dancers mentioned "piratey flair" or something. So that means real-time Hook has succumbed to the singing bug and randomly busts out into a song and dance number on his ship.

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INT: GOLD'S SHOP

As suspected, they're not going to make Carlyle sing, so this scene has no asterisk. This is probably the point in the episode where the gang rushes into Gold's shop demanding answers, or maybe the Evil Queen waltzes in and decides to gloat about "winning." Or this is just the requisite Belle/Rumple fight scene.

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INT: EQ'S DUNGEON - FTL

We cut to a flashback between Rumple and the Evil Queen that mirrors the previous scene. Maybe Dungeon Rumple has the explanation for why all of this is happening. Or, if Emma is stuck in a dream world, maybe she's stuck in the dungeon and has to escape.

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INT: ZELENA'S (WIZARD'S) CHAMBER - OZ*

This scene seems really random and the placement of it at the end of the episode doesn't seem to jive with everything else. Bex likes to sing so it's not a surprise they'd give her a musical number, but why is she in Oz? Does she get sent back to Oz during "Where Bluebirds Fly"? I have a feeling this is just a random throwaway scene.

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INT: REGINA'S VAULT

This scene is probably the Evil Queen gloating or monologuing. Or the gang breaks into the vault to grab a magical MacGuffin.

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INT: MAYOR'S OFFICE*

Because this is TS;TW, I'm guessing Regina will save the day here. So the Evil Queen has taken over the Mayor's Office, but Regina barges in with magical MacGuffin to defeat her. Maybe this is finally the end of this stupid duel Regina plot and we can be down to one Regina forever. I'm sure the writers can't resist having Regina duet with herself.

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EXT: GRANNY'S/MAIN STREET*

Big group finale musical number. We begin at Granny's and everyone makes their way to Main Street to belt out the closing number. Somehow, the musical curse is broken at the end of this scene and everyone celebrates. And then PLOT! jumps in and somehow Gideon or someone else introduces the main problem that will lead us into the 2-part season finale. End Show.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Curio

[Rumsy4]

You make a very good case, @Curio :-D

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

On the other hand, history and writers' stated character preferences can inform a great deal of speculation.

Exactly. Regina-heavy episodes fit the pattern of this season. I'll be pleasantly surprised if the musical episode is Emma-centric, as Curio outlined in her post. It makes sense for the musical episode to focus on Emma as the little lost ugly duckling turned into a swan. But these writers seldom go with what's logical. I hope we'll get more spoilers soon!

[Free]

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

On the other hand, history and writers' stated character preferences can inform a great deal of speculation.

Agreed, these spoilers are how I've been able to piece together mostly how an arc/season ends or the way the show is heading.

[pezgirl7]

I really hope we get some awesome musical number aboard the Jolly Roger, with pirates swinging from the ropes, Hook singing, while the rest of crew sings some kind of sea shanty in the background. The recent Peter Pan live TV musical had some cool scenes aboard the ship, but I think I need to seriously lower my expectations for this show. I'm also hoping that there will at least be some kind of incorporation of Heigh Ho into the musical number with the dwarves. There are so many possibilities! I just hope at least some of the numbers will hit their mark.

Edited February 9, 2017 by pezgirl7

[Rumsy4]

Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Video of the prep report (X).

It says *DENOTES SING.... .... at the bottom.

[pezgirl7]

3 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

It says *DENOTES SING.... .... at the bottom.

That's a bit of a let down, because it seems Colin will only get one song, and there won't be a stand-alone CaptainSwan song, only possible group numbers. Unless Emma is in the scene at the docks. Not gonna lie, I'm still excited. :D

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

That's a bit of a let down, because it seems Colin will only get one song

Same with Charming. You'd think with their musical backgrounds/charisma, they should be carrying this episode.

With that being said, I fully expect the big musical number on the Jolly Roger to be the best part of the entire episode/season.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Curio

[Rumsy4]

8 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Unless Emma is in the scene at the docks.

I hope so. It would be a travesty to not have a Captain Swan duet--at least a few lines together!

Edited February 9, 2017 by Rumsy4

[Souris]

14 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I hope so. It would be a travesty to not have a Captain Swan duet--at least a few lines together!

This season has been a never-ending "it would be a travesty not to...." and then it not happen for CaptainSwan.

[KingOfHearts]

I know Adam posted a tweet saying both Jen and Colin were singing, but he didn't specify that they were singing a duet.

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This season has been a never-ending "it would be a travesty not to...." and then it not happen for CaptainSwan.

I think it would stand to reason, even on this show, to give Captain Swan a song together. The problem is that the show sometimes does not follow its own logic. Sometimes it subverts its own expectations. It all depends on how A&E are feeling the day they write the episode.

Edited February 9, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[RadioGirl27]

6 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I know Adam posted a tweet saying both Jen and Colin were singing, but he didn't specify that they were singing a duet.

I think it would stand to reason, even on this show, to give Captain Swan a song together. The problem is that the show sometimes does not follow its own logic. Sometimes it subverts its own expectations. It all depends on how A&E are feeling the day they write the episode.

Nah, no way there is going to be a CS duet. There are more chances for an Emma-Regina duet than for a CS duet.

1 hour ago, pezgirl7 said:

That's a bit of a let down, because it seems Colin will only get one song,

 

1 hour ago, Curio said:

Same with Charming. You'd think with their musical backgrounds/charisma, they should be carrying this episode.

This is Once upon a Regina, so I have no doubt that Lana, unless she is a completely terrible singer, would have more musical numbers than anybody else.

[Curio]

6 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I think it would stand to reason, even on this show, to give Captain Swan a song together. The problem is that the show sometimes does not follow its own logic. Sometimes it subverts its own expectations. It all depends on how A&E are feeling the day they write the episode.

Exactly. It also stood to reason to have Wish Realm Hook and Princess Emma interact for longer than 1 minute, but it's TS;TW. I'm fully expecting no Captain Swan duet. They might happen to sing together in a larger group ensemble where everyone is singing, but no love ballads to each other.

If we're following the asterisks theory, I'm guessing the songs will go something like this:

1. Snow and Charming duet
2. Evil Queen solo
3. Various Storybrooke citizens singing solos/group ensemble
4. Hook solo with random background sailors as his backup singers/dancers
5. Zelena solo
6. Regina/Evil Queen "duet" (this one could potentially be another group ensemble song)
7. Closing ensemble where everyone sings
    

[RulerofallIsurvey]

2 hours ago, Curio said:

So that means real-time Hook has succumbed to the singing bug and randomly busts out into a song and dance number on his ship.

You nearly made me LOL at work just now.  (Imagine the looks I'd have gotten from my co-workers!) Just the thought of this is hilarious.  Okay, I might actually have to look forward to the episode now!

I don't, however, expect Emma and Hook to have a number together.  I don't care what A&E say about CS romance and adventure this half season.  They ARE the boys who cried 'wolf'.  

[Souris]

Apparently Jen expressed in Atlanta that she wasn't as excited as the rest of the cast about the musical because she was nervous about singing. So maybe she requested no solos or something. But they still should have had Hook singing to Emma -- but of course that would be CS time, so that's verboten.

[Curio]

They could potentially make the Jolly Roger number an awesome Emmy-worthy scene if they had the time and resources for it. A choreographed sword dance, a rockin' hurdy gurdy in the background, Colin singing and dancing? Can I hibernate and wake up only for this scene?

[KingOfHearts]

13 minutes ago, Curio said:

They could potentially make the Jolly Roger number an awesome Emmy-worthy scene if they had the time and resources for it. A choreographed sword dance, a rockin' hurdy gurdy in the background, Colin singing and dancing? Can I hibernate and wake up only for this scene?

I'm sure it'll be better than Christopher Walken's Jolly Roger number. ;)

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'm sure it'll be better than Christopher Walken's Jolly Roger number. ;)

I'm pretty sure everything in this episode will be better than Christopher Walken's Hook.

[Hookian]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

Apparently Jen expressed in Atlanta that she wasn't as excited as the rest of the cast about the musical because she was nervous about singing. So maybe she requested no solos or something. But they still should have had Hook singing to Emma -- but of course that would be CS time, so that's verboten.

Oh really that's what Jen said? Interesting because there's a vid of the panel and she says the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

Starts at 14:01. Please stop spreading false information, thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnDejmD3mTI&index=2&list=PLiAY9vIDnVOnLZGqzrjo-CuRDs0LW9HNn

Edited February 9, 2017 by Hookian

[Souris]

7 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Jen seemed very excited about it. Adam and Eddy were quick to point out that both Colin and Jen would be singing. She used the terms "Many of us..." "We" etc. when talking about people with musical theater backgrounds. So I'm not sure how that could be construed as her being negative about it. She and Colin both expressed excitement about the idea and that musical elements would fit in with the show. 

Admittedly, it was on Twitter from somebody who was there tweeting about it; they tweeted she said she was open to it but nervous about it. So there is the factor of "third hand" information there. I couldn't even begin to find the tweet again, so it's lost to the online ether unless somebody else remembers it better than I!

[Shanna Marie]

It is possible to be good at singing and excited to get the chance to do it and still be somewhat apprehensive about doing it on national television. And since they're not doing it live, there is autotune for anyone who's not Broadway material. The Buffy musical may or may not have used that technology, but it was definitely heavily produced. Ditto with Galavant -- they did have some good singers, but you could also tell that the tracks were heavily produced.

After last week's episode of The Magicians, I'm hoping Blackbeard's around for the pirate musical number because Charles Mesure has an amazing voice.

Looking at that list of shots, I had a thought: We've speculated that Emma would end up in a sleeping curse at some point. What if that's the rationale for the music, that Emma is under some kind of spell, and all this is happening in her head? Then she could have that "I had the strangest dream, and you were there, and you, and you were all singing" moment afterward.

[Souris]

Ah, thanks to a friend who remembered who tweeted it, here are the tweets I saw! Definitely seems like a different interpretation but I'm relieved my mind didn't just make it up out of nothing.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Souris

[Curio]

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Looking at that list of shots, I had a thought: We've speculated that Emma would end up in a sleeping curse at some point. What if that's the rationale for the music, that Emma is under some kind of spell, and all this is happening in her head? Then she could have that "I had the strangest dream, and you were there, and you, and you were all singing" moment afterward.

 

I mentioned the dream theory/sleeping curse on the previous page, but the thing that throws off the theory for me is the asterisks. If those asterisks denote singing scenes, there's a weird hodgepodge of musical numbers that take place in both the Fairy Tale Land and present-day Storybrooke. Charming's balcony and the Evil Queen's dungeon are clearly marked as FTL, but the Evil Queen's lair and the Jolly Roger aren't. If Emma was dreaming all of the music numbers in her head, why would she jump around different worlds and time periods so drastically?

Let's say Emma is dreaming of her parents singing at the EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL* location. She's imagining her parents dressed as royalty while they sing a love song to each other in their castle. Then why would Emma's mind randomly jump to a modern-day Killian who doesn't wear a super piratey outfit while he sings his musical number at the EXT: JOLLY ROGER/DOCKS* location? Why wouldn't that be marked FTL as well? And then Zelena's musical number takes place in Oz, so would Emma's dream whisk her off to a place she's never even been to before? (Emma hasn't been to Oz yet, right?) Who knows, maybe the sheet isn't 100% accurate, or the asterisks don't mean what I think they mean.

Also, the dream world seems a bit too close to what we already got with the Wish World, and would the writers want to repeat that idea in the same half-season? (Granted, I wish they could redo the Wish Realm concept and actually do it properly, but that's never going to happen.)

Edited February 10, 2017 by Curio

[Shanna Marie]

33 minutes ago, Curio said:

If Emma was dreaming all of the music numbers in her head, why would she jump around different worlds and time periods so drastically?

That actually makes more sense to me than there being something that makes people sing in various worlds and time periods. Dreams do jump around. She's visited the shattered palace where her parents lived, and then she was there in the dream realm, so she'd have the imagery in her subconscious. So she might dream her parents singing in their palace, but she might dream Hook in the present day.

Otherwise, how do we get singing in the past and present? There was a spell that affected people in the past and made them sing, and now that same spell has been cast again? If there's something actually causing people to sing, you'd think it would all be happening in the same place and time.