Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Curio]

I'm still intrigued by the spoiler that someone from Storybrooke will be happy to see the Frozen folk in town, and someone angry. I'm assuming Rumple's the latter, so who's the former...?

I have a hunch it'll be Charming because we don't know a lot about his past, but I'd like for it to be Hook so we can get some lieutenant flashbacks.

[FabulousTater]

I think my Arrested Development joke fell flat...

Well, you made me laugh Curio. :D It's just that senses of humor can't be distributed like "Whistleblower Whistles".

[Hookian]

When Hook came onto the show, he had no connections at all outside of Rumple. He made some. And if the writers do their job right, Will will be more than sass and leather jackets... I'd like to think Hook is more than that.

 

Okay, but you also need friends outside your romantic relationships. Nobody is saying you shouldn't be friends with your significant other, but it's healthy to have other ones.

There's a difference. Hook was a fresh new character, we didn't know whom Killian Jones was at all. All we knew was that he was promoted to regular before his first episode even aired. We already know The Knave. The very few people who watched OUATIW already know the Knave. So it's different, there's no mystery and we know everything that happens to him.

 

We know his happy ending, we know his journey so yes again I say it's pointless bringing him on the show. It's likely just to honor Socha's Once contract not to mention Socha works in the UK I doubt he would go to OUAT if they didn't secure him for at least a season. Maguire is much cheaper being flown in from LA.  So for the time being Socha can be a regular but I do not see him sticking around.

 

Especially if some time this season he founds out where Ana is. It would be OOC for his character to just stay put knowing his true love is alive and her location.

[stealinghome]

Especially if some time this season he founds out where Ana is. It would be OOC for his character to just stay put knowing his true love is alive and her location.

But again, what if Ana and Will together made the decision that he needed to go to Storybrooke to track someone down (a nefarious criminal named the Snow Queen, for example)? There's nothing saying he's been forcibly separated from Ana. Will may have a mission that aligns, or is parallel, with the Storybrookians'.

[Shanna Marie]

I was thinking ... we know that the ultimate ending of Will and Ana as read in Alice's book takes place years later, but do we even know how much later after the end of the events of the main part of the series Cyrus and Alice's wedding takes place? For all we know, very soon after they vanquished Jafar, Curse 2 kicked in, whisking Will away, and part of his story will be finding his way back to get to the point where they were at Alice and Cyrus's wedding.

 

I don't have a huge problem with already knowing Will's ending. I doubt he's on the show for his own arc with his own character development. There's nothing wrong with having a supporting character who supports other characters' arcs without having a major arc of his own. (I may be the rare person who watched the spinoff who wasn't totally enthralled by the character. He grew on me, and I ended up loving his very platonic relationship with Alice, but I mostly found him to be a pretty generic Bad Boy With a Heart of Gold.)

[kili]

I still think that Will seems like a very redundant character. Between Hook and Hood, don't we have the sassy, British guy wearing leather covered? I really hope they do have a plan for Will that doesn't end up in hideous triangles or existing characters losing part of their characters to give something for Will to do (I used to watch Bones and when they brought on the pschatrist boy-wonder, Booth suddenly lost the ability to read the perps emotional state becuase they needed to give the psychatrist some reason for existing).

 

I hope Will is Charming's friend. He needs a friend that isn't dating his daughter or primarily friends with his wife (though I do love the Charming/Hook dynamic). If he becomes Emma's friend, I'm afraid of the triangle and we just finished with that roadblock for Emma/Hook.

 

Is it possible the Will is a victim of the time travel change? I know that Rumple says that everything was righted, but perhaps there is one more wrinkle and Will's Wonderland story has been changed. He did conveniently show up shortly after the time traveling episode. Perhaps his happy ending is not assured.

[NotBothered]

Between Hook and Hood, don't we have the sassy, British guy wearing leather covered?

No.  That is insanity.  There can never be too many sassy, attractive, leather-clad men with British accents on my television.  I consider this situation to be an embarassment of riches. 

[Serena]

No.  That is insanity.  There can never be too many sassy, attractive, leather-clad men with British accents on my television.  I consider this situation to be an embarassment of riches. 

Yes. Also, Hood is so personality-less, he doesn't really count as a character. Unless you consider "Regina's boot licker" a compelling personality trait.

 

Apparently they're doing night shoots all week, but not in Steveston. That means we probably won't get filming pics, but pics of the actors arriving and leaving set at most.

[dassala]

Snow and Red was one of my favorite relationships in S1 and I liked Charming and Red too. Such a waste. Also with Red around we got more Granny too. If Will wasn't already with Ana whom I did like, he'd be great with Red.

 

I want RedWarrior. Bring back Mulan and let her seduce Ruby!

[RadioGirl27]

I'm still intrigued by the spoiler that someone from Storybrooke will be happy to see the Frozen folk in town, and someone angry. I'm assuming Rumple's the latter, so who's the former...?

I think it's the Snow Queen. My theory right now is that she is going to try to get some benefit from the fact that Elsa has the same magic as she has (o very similar), like hurting someone with it and then blame Elsa.

 

About Will, I can say anything about the character, because I haven't seen Wonderland (and as much as I love Naveen Andrews, I don't have any interest in watching it), or the actor.

But I don't like that they are bringing him to OUAT, because I don't like the reasons behind it. There was a post by stealinghome a few pages back that perfectly sumarized those reasons, so I'm not going to repeat it.

 

This is the post I was talking about:

But for me, this then goes back to why, exactly, they're bringing him on. Like, I'm not denying that Socha's very fun in the role--I watched a handful of Wonderland episodes, and he was definitely the best thing about the show--and Will was clearly the breakout character from the spinoff. But for me, "he was popular on our other show!" is NOT a good justification for bringing him to the parent show. Because what, exactly, is he bringing to Once? From where I'm standing, he basically looks like Hook Lite, with perhaps a dash of Robin (actually, he may be a male version of Emma, come to think of it). We already have that character type covered; we already have too many characters in general (many of which get short shrift when it comes to story and screentime); we don't lack for charismatic actors. So my answer to what unique thing he's bringing to the parent show is essentially nothing; he's going to be another redundant character that both won't get enough screentime and will take precious minutes away from the Charmings (because let's be real, Regina and Rumpel ain't getting their screentime cut into).

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really see what Socha/Will really brings in the trade-off--past "ooh, shiny, another 'popular' toy we get to play with," anyway.

Edited September 3, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[stealinghome]

I hope Will is Charming's friend. He needs a friend that isn't dating his daughter or primarily friends with his wife (though I do love the Charming/Hook dynamic). If he becomes Emma's friend, I'm afraid of the triangle and we just finished with that roadblock for Emma/Hook.

I highly doubt the Knave would be in a triangle with Emma and Hook, given that he has his own confirmed True Love. And I second the idea of wanting Will to be Charming's friend--I do generally enjoy Charming and Hook, but if Hook's with Emma, Charming and Hook can't really be friends in the same way. And Charming and Will could play off each other in a different way. (I am assuming that Emma and Elsa will bond, so Will-Charming being friends won't deprive Emma of a friend.)

 

I want RedWarrior. Bring back Mulan and let her seduce Ruby!

I would be so there for this.

Edited September 3, 2014 by stealinghome

[Hookian]

I highly doubt the Knave would be in a triangle with Emma and Hook, given that he has his own confirmed True Love. And I second the idea of wanting Will to be Charming's friend--I do generally enjoy Charming and Hook, but if Hook's with Emma, Charming and Hook can't really be friends in the same way. And Charming and Will could play off each other in a different way. (I am assuming that Emma and Elsa will bond, so Will-Charming being friends won't deprive Emma of a friend.)

 

I would be so there for this.

Um yes they can. Just because Emma and Hook are in a relationship does not hinder the bromance between Hook and Charming. In fact it makes it more relevant because this may be his future son in law and it's a very good thing that they're consistently continuing to build their bond.

 

I for one thought Captain Charming was one of the best things of S3 and Charming/Hook have a very interesting dynamic. Both lost their brothers and both have found their "brothers" in each other.

 

They literally define the term bromance. Hook reminds Charming of his brother James and and Charming reminds Hook of Liam. That was pretty much the purpose of "Good Form" and they continued this bond. 

 

Thankfully the writers agree with me and have already confirmed we will continue to see Hook/Charming bonding. :) 

 

I can't wait for Hook to punch Will in the face. Will trying to cockblock Hook/Emma is not gonna win him points with the CS fandom and we know how vocal they are.

 

I still think that Will seems like a very redundant character. Between Hook and Hood, don't we have the sassy, British guy wearing leather covered? I really hope they do have a plan for Will that doesn't end up in hideous triangles or existing characters losing part of their characters to give something for Will to do (I used to watch Bones and when they brought on the pschatrist boy-wonder, Booth suddenly lost the ability to read the perps emotional state becuase they needed to give the psychatrist some reason for existing).

 

Exactly very redundant and unnecessary and if he comes in to be in a triangle with Hook/Emma or Robin/Regina do you honestly think the fandoms is gonna root for him? LOL they will eat him alive.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Hookian

[Crimson Belle]

 

Exactly very redundant and unnecessary and if he comes in to be in a triangle with Hook/Emma or Robin/Regina do you honestly think the fandoms is gonna root for him? LOL they will eat him alive.

I would very much like to see him in a Regina/Robin triangle.  Incest be damned, Robin and Will Scarlet/the Knave would make a much better couple than Regina with either of them.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Crimson Belle

[Hookian]

I would very much like to see him in a Regina/Robin triangle.  Incest be damned, Robin and Will Scarlet/the Knave would make a much better couple than Regina with either of them.

Yeah no...no.

[InsertWordHere]

 

The very few people who watched OUATIW already know the Knave. So it's different, there's no mystery and we know everything that happens to him.

But as you say, it was very few people. The general OUaT audience does not know him. He is a blank slate to them. Also to hop on another discussion, I really don't think Will and Hook are that much alike. That's like saying Wesley Wyndam Pryce and Rupert Giles are the same character because they're both British Watchers that wear tweed or that Stannis Baratheon and Ned Stark are the same character because they're both younger brothers that became High Lords and have honorable reputations. Why is it supposedly more interesting to see opposite character archetypes, anyway? Do people only interact with opposite personality types in real life?

 

Leather-clad and accented snarkmasters (and really, half of OUaT's characters throw quips out like candy while wearing leather) they may be, but their characters' backstories are completely different. For one, Will was never a villain, even as the heart-controlled Knave of Hearts. Hook was. Killian Jones (excluding the undeveloped abandoned child backstory) started out as a respectable gentleman sailor. From all appearances, Will started out as a thief with a tragic childhood. Hook's quest for revenge caused him to lose his honor. Will's heartbreak caused him to want to shut love out. If Will's similar to any character on OUaT, it's Emma Swan, but sadly, despite plenty of snarky comebacks and leather jackets, she lacks the required accent.

 

Will trying to cockblock Hook/Emma is not gonna win him points with the CS fandom and we know how vocal they are.

To be blunt, so what? Every section of this fandom has been known to clutch their pearls at the most ridiculous things as if they've never read/watched/absorbed any type of fictional drama before. I hope the show does not start catering to any vocal segment. Also, the online fandom is a very small percentage of the total viewing audience. Most people just want to be entertained.

Edited September 3, 2014 by InsertWordHere

[KingOfHearts]

 

Also, the online fandom is a very small percentage of the total viewing audience. Most people just want to be entertained.

 

This may sound weird, but that is the wisest statement I've heard in a while about the OUAT audience and fandom.

 

As far as the Knave goes, I'm going to assume there is a logical story reason for his presence on the show. It may have originated as an attempt to shoehorn in OUATIW, but the Knave has enough connections with the parent show that he may very well be a valid addition. Ashley is his step-sister-in-law, he worked for Cora, he lived in Storybrooke, he was in the Merry Men, he stole a precious object from Maleficent, and he had a conflict with Robin in the past. If it turns out the Snow Queen killed his sister or he was childhood friends with Charming, then I'd say he's more than relevant to the plot.

 

What I'm wondering now is why he goes to Storybrooke all of a sudden.

Edited September 3, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Jean]

Will doesn't have to be a unique character. There are only a handful of character tropes out there and in Once, one character usually takes care of 3 or 4 of those tropes already so it's kind of hard to be unique on this show. Snow, Belle, Red, all the Disney Princesses etc. are kind of redundant. The core people themselves have overlapping traits. Good gawd the daddy/parent abandonment issues on this show is practically a requirement to exist.

 

What I'm more interested in, is his interactions with the other people. That's what he brings to the table and his relationships with those people can be unique. He's not another villain so that guarantees that he'll bring a different dynamic to the group and it looks like he will get integrated. We haven't seen Charming with a friend before and if anyone desperately needs something, anything it's Charming. Hook had a "rival" in Rumple but it was never on an even playing field. At most he was just a pest to Rumple so Will and Hook being at odds, that's not over fighting a woman, is new. I don't know where they're going with Emma and Will, if anywhere, but 100% it's not romantic. Will and Rumple could be fun too.

[kili]

He is a blank slate to them. Also to hop on another discussion, I really don't think Will and Hook are that much alike. That's like saying Wesley Wyndam Pryce and Rupert Giles are the same character because they're both British Watchers that wear tweed or that Stannis Baratheon and Ned Stark are the same character because they're both younger brothers that became High Lords and have honorable reputations. Why is it supposedly more interesting to see opposite character archetypes, anyway? Do people only interact with opposite personality types in real life?

 

I agree that in real life it is quite common to encounter very similar people, but that's usually avoided in fiction unless that is the point (how seemingly similar people end up with very different lives). Tom Wolf said "The problem with fiction is that it has to be plausible. That's not true with non-fiction". Coincidences in real-life happen, but are annoying in fiction unless there is a very good reason.

 

As has been mentioned, the majority of people who watch the show are casual viewers. Those people are not students of the show. They distill the characters down to very simple notes (good looking guy who hangs around Emma, snarks, wears leather, morally ambiguous past vs good looking guy who hangs around Regina, snarks, wears leather, morally ambiguous past) and do get confused if characters are too similar. Plus, why bother with redundant characters, they just muddle up your story. Characters and plot points should serve a purpose or they should get removed during the editing process. Will had better serve a purpose and existing characters had better not lose characteristics to give him a purpose. That's true of all new characters.

 

None of the spoilers have given us much evidence that Will is serving any purpose. He breaks into an ice cream shop with Charming and Emma (could they have done that themselves or had Hook tag along if they wanted some extra snark?) and gotten punched out by Hook (for some unknown reason). I just hope there is a cohesive reason for him being there and not just because Adam/Eddie really liked the actor (which is what I fear).

[Hookian]

 

To be blunt, so what? Every section of this fandom has been known to clutch their pearls at the most ridiculous things as if they've never read/watched/absorbed any type of fictional drama before. I hope the show does not start catering to any vocal segment. Also, the online fandom is a very small percentage of the total viewing audience. Most people just want to be entertained.

LMAO So what? Do you honestly think the audience will respond well to another Emma/Hook triangle just when we got off the hinges of a triangle where the 3rd wheel in the triangle was killed off. Not to mention when we already have the OQ triangle going on this season.

 

People want to be entertained but that would be overkill. 

 

It also won't earn Will points because CS is one of the biggest fanbases especially after the 2 hour finale. So if the writers want the audience to hate Will, then sure put him in a love triangle with an already established romantic pairing on the show. That will do wonders for his popularity.

 

We haven't seen Charming with a friend before and if anyone desperately needs something, anything it's Charming.

 

Forgive me for my bluntness but that makes no sense at all. Did you dose off and sleep through all of S3 or something? Did you miss the Hook/Charming bromance the entire season? Did you miss the progression they made from S2 to what they are now?

 

If you don't view Hook/Charming as friends then... I don't even know what to say. I think S3 more than cemented the fact that they view each other as friends or "mates".

Edited September 3, 2014 by Hookian

[BoPeeps]

Never watched Wonderland, haven't a clue about Will, don't particularly care about him until I actually see what he is like onscreen.

 

Don't have a clue either what will happen with Robin/Marian/Regina. No win situation but we pretty much (and oh-f*ck-iconic-love-couple ruined) sadly know Marian is not long for the Once world; I think if Emma pulls back again, Hook (with his new hand and duds and shaky land legs) should go see what Tink is up to (ha) and I wasn't all that enamored with Frozen and unless they go whole-hog SnowQueen wicked with the *new* surprise owner of the Sundae Parlor, I think that script line will be potentially a hands-tied creative land mine and kind of dorky.   but no matter, it will not keep me from watching the show. I am still wildly entertained with the characters I adore and the hour long Sunday night escape from soap opera mundanedramas and the putricity (new word alert!) of reality TV.

 

Seeing Hook and Rumple in a few new scenes with dramatic and snarky potential is always a GOOD thing.

But Rumple really needs a new set of wheels. The car sense on Once is ...crappy.

[Serena]

LMAO So what? Do you honestly think the audience will respond well to another Emma/Hook triangle just when we got off the hinges of a triangle where the 3rd wheel in the triangle was killed off. Not to mention when we already have the OQ triangle going on this season.

 

People want to be entertained but that would be overkill. 

 

It also won't earn Will points because CS is one of the biggest fanbases especially after the 2 hour finale. So if the writers want the audience to hate Will, then sure put him in a love triangle with an already established romantic pairing on the show. That will do wonders for his popularity.

Why do you keep saying the CS fandom will hate him? He won't be part of a CS triangle. We have literally no spoiler that even vaguely hints that. Not every straight guy who hangs around Emma will be interested in her. So the CS fandom will have no reason to hate him. If he gets into a love/hate frenemy relationship with Hook, I reckon they'll love him instead.

 

Also, "fans will have a temper tantrum" is not a good reason to do or not do something. God knows the Once fandom finds something to throw a temper tantrum about every day of the week and five times on Sunday.

 

At the end of the day, while I would have preferred it if they added no new regulars this season, I'd take Will over Robin any day. At least Will has a personality.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Serena

[stealinghome]

Forgive me for my bluntness but that makes no sense at all. Did you dose off and sleep through all of S3 or something? Did you miss the Hook/Charming bromance the entire season? Did you miss the progression they made from S2 to what they are now?

If you don't view Hook/Charming as friends then... I don't even know what to say. I think S3 more than cemented the fact that they view each other as friends or "mates".

Responding on the Relationships thread.

 

At the end of the day, while I would have preferred it if they added no new regulars this season, I'd take Will over Robin any day. At least Will has a personality.

And more charisma than a potted plant.

Edited September 3, 2014 by stealinghome

[Shanna Marie]

I for one thought Captain Charming was one of the best things of S3 and Charming/Hook have a very interesting dynamic. Both lost their brothers and both have found their "brothers" in each other.

 

They literally define the term bromance. Hook reminds Charming of his brother James and and Charming reminds Hook of Liam. That was pretty much the purpose of "Good Form" and they continued this bond.

Taking this to the relationships thread, as it's no longer about spoilers but certainly something fun to talk about.

[Hookian]

At least Robin has relevancy and connections. Also charisma and personality are like chemistry, to every person it's in the eye of the beholder. I have no problems with RH in regards to his personality or charisma. Then again I also love Regina which apparently is a minority opinion on this board, oh well.

 

I was in the minority when CS first started and called delusional consistently because I believed they could develop romantically but hey look at where I'm at now. :D

Edited September 4, 2014 by Hookian

[InsertWordHere]

 

LMAO So what? Do you honestly think the audience will respond well to another Emma/Hook triangle just when we got off the hinges of a triangle where the 3rd wheel in the triangle was killed off. Not to mention when we already have the OQ triangle going on this season.

I'm not sure why you're laughing, but I'm glad I've entertained you. As I said in my previous response, I don't think the general audience is going to care if Will cockblocks CS (by "cockblock" I assumed you were refer to the speculation that he interrupts their date and Hook punches him for it). I don't care what the tumblr or twitter fandoms are going to say. They (and by they I mean the whole OUaT fandom not just CSers) will find anything to be dissatisfied with. I said nothing about a triangle as I don't think there's going to be one. I do think there will be antagonism between Hook and Will and I look forward to seeing it. Not all tension has to come from romantic rivalry.

 

Will had better serve a purpose and existing characters had better not lose characteristics to give him a purpose. That's true of all new characters.

IA. I'm just confident he will serve a purpose due to the plot-focused aspect of this show and I'm unwilling to write him off as a waste of screentime when he has yet to appear onscreen on the mothershow. Spoilers amounting to what will probably be less than five minutes of screentime give no indication of what purpose he will or won't add to the show. I disagree that casual viewers cannot tell three leather-clad British-accented characters apart. I think Will is unique enough that he won't confuse viewers.

[stealinghome]

Honestly, I had forgotten Robin wears leather till you guys brought it up--I remember a lot of white shirt and green cloak for him. So this viewer, at least, will only have to contend with telling apart two leather-clad dudes with British accents. :)

 

Besides, if the Knave dresses like anyone in Storybrooke, it's actually Charming.* Straight-leg but not skinny jeans, boots, black leather jacket over a shirt with buttons (henley for Will, button-down for Charming) over an undershirt (black for Will, white for Charming). Robin's dress is notably different in Storybrooke--he's got the brown pants and the down jacket/vest/hoodie thing. (Which, incidentally, always looks so warm. I imagine Maguire is the envy of the rest of the cast, who often shiver their way through scenes!)

 

*We'll see how long Hook is or isn't in his new duds; I still suspect it won't be that long.

[Hookian]

 

*We'll see how long Hook is or isn't in his new duds; I still suspect it won't be that long.

I think Hook's outfits are here to stay. With the way Colin sounded Hook won't be wearing the 50 pound jacket anymore.  

 

There's just gonna be more variety.

 

Colin is still wearing the outfits as of the last filming report which was just this past week. Which means 4,5,6 so far. 

Edited September 4, 2014 by Hookian

[Curio]

I think Hook's outfits are here to stay.

I think his new clothes are here to stay, too. But I'm guessing they'll probably give him back his hook eventually, so it'll at least be an interesting combination of the classic hook with the modern outfit.

[formerlyfreedom]

Okay, folks - there has been a TON of SPECULATION about the role of the Knave in here for the last day. If you want to talk about that, please go to the Speculation topic. Future posts will be moved.

[dassala]

I think Hook's outfits are here to stay. With the way Colin sounded Hook won't be wearing the 50 pound jacket anymore.  

 

I'd like to see this. Let's reserve the full-pirate garb for some situation which calls for it. Like an adversary who would be intimidated by the pirate. Or...when Emma wants to relive her days in the past. ;)

 

I am going to be totally bummed if the hook comes back, though. I feel like losing his hand was a part of his life when he was mourning Milah. He's got a fresh start, now.

 

With Frozen being played so closely to the chest, I'm even more curious about the roles of Pabbie and Hans. I suppose they could go the movie route and have Hans be the true "bad guy" in both Arendelle and Storybrooke. Although, I have no reason at this point to believe that Anna and Kristoff are actually in Storybrooke, at all. So he'd be up against Elsa, SQ, and our main cast. But what could he want with them?

[Border Spice]

I can't wait for some actual real promos.  Sept 28th is seems so far away.

 

Edited September 4, 2014 by Border Spice

[Curio]

I am going to be totally bummed if the hook comes back, though. I feel like losing his hand was a part of his life when he was mourning Milah. He's got a fresh start, now.

Just from a marketing standpoint, I feel like ABC won't let him have both of his hands for too long. I mean, his character's name is Hook, and most of his promotional shots seem to emphasize his hook. Even in the Season 4 sneak peak video, it's his hook that freezes over. Yes, there's already an established part of past where he's an upstanding citizen named Killian, but a huge part of the character's draw is his Captain Hook personality.

 

Getting his hand back could be a fresh start for him, but based on the behind the scenes photos of his hand looking bloodied and him looking depressed and sleeping on public benches, it doesn't look like having his hand back is making his life happier. If the writers handled it properly, losing his hand again and getting his hook back could be shown as a heroic sacrifice, symbolically changing his hook from something that was once a reminder of his dark past into a physical reminder that he's a hero now. 

[ShadowFacts]

I don't have an opinion either way on hook/no hook, but I wish they would call him Killian.  I just plain like the name, and it would be a move away from pirate.  As far as a partner for Emma, why is pirate any better than petty thief (Neal)?  Hook was already teaching Henry bar dice, wouldn't she want a better role model?  Yeah, I know, Grandpa David let him drive and she lets him stay with Regina, so good role models are in short supply. 

[Shanna Marie]

I don't have an opinion either way on hook/no hook, but I wish they would call him Killian.

I think they're starting to. Emma called him by name when he was drowning, and Henry's been calling him by name. That started when they were hiding the fairy tale stuff from Henry and couldn't call him Captain Hook, but it may have started a habit.

 

As for the hook, since it seems to be gone and with the hand back, I hope the hand stays. The whole "disability is cured, but it's only temporary, and now he's learned to see it as a plus" plot is such a sf/fantasy cliche and probably politically correct wishful thinking. Most people who've lost a hand would probably not be at all okay with getting it back, only to lose it again. And they wouldn't want to get rid of the hand once they got it back because it turns out they like the prosthesis better (unless the hand is evil). I think losing the hook opens up some interesting character stuff for him because that will mean he's now lost everything about his past identity and is really starting over. He gave up his ship, which pretty much means giving up piracy, and now he's lost his identifying trait that gave him his nickname. Where will he go from here and who the hell is he now? He's got a lot to figure out. I think the character is established enough by now that he doesn't need the hook to have appeal, and he's so far from most depictions of Captain Hook anyway that it hardly counts (although the character, aside from physical description (other than the blue eyes), is probably closer to the Hook depicted in the book than any other version has been). He's gorgeous, snarky, dashing, desperately in love with Emma and has a troubled past. You don't really need the hook to catch viewers' attention.

[RadioGirl27]

I love the Hook and the pirate coat, but at this point he doesn't need them anymore. He is not the same person he was in season 2, and the character is establish enough among the viewers so he doesn't need them to mark him as Captain Hook. And I'm pretty sure Colin would be happy to lose them.

Anyway, probably one or both things (the hook and the attire) would be back by the end of 4A.

Edited September 4, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[Souris]

JMo posted a pic:

Day 11: night shoot with these ladies @LanaParrilla @GeorginaHaig #ElizabethMitchell 101smiles #UglyDucklings

 

I bet there was some magic flying around!

[Jean]

I'm not impressed by the new James Dean look. It just looks so normal. I think the character needs the distinct pirate, out of time, out of place look. It can be with or without the hook. I get that the jacket was cumbersome but they can lighten the load and still look pirate-y. Maybe something like in Princess Bride or a less flamboyant Johnny Depp pirate. He needs that little something that gives him an outlandish quality and flair. Besides I think it's kind of funny and fitting that Emma who resists the fairy tale world so much and just wants a normal life, hooks up with the guy that walks around decked out in full fairy tale gear.

 

Also I rather have a fun and droll Hook than an emo Hook which is where I see this clothes thing is leading to.

[KingOfHearts]

 

Besides I think it's kind of funny and fitting that Emma who resists the fairy tale world so much and just wants a normal life, hooks up with the guy that walks around decked out in full fairy tale gear.

 

I'm torn on this one. I don't think he'll lose his "fairy-tale"-ness from wearing modern clothes. In fact, it might be funny to see him adjusting to it. But, for new or casual viewers, it might seem really weird. They'll be saying things like, "That's Captain Hook? He doesn't look anything like him. Where's his hook?" I do like the idea that he'd change his look for Emma though. I'd like to see him in modern clothes, but I haven't been impressed with what they've chosen. If they can cook up something better, I'll be happy.

 

 

Day 11: night shoot with these ladies @LanaParrilla @GeorginaHaig #ElizabethMitchell 101smiles #UglyDucklings

Sounds to me like it could have been a night battle on the street? All four of those people are powerful magic users.

Edited September 4, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[stealinghome]

I'd like to see him in modern clothes, but I haven't been impressed with what they've chosen. If they can cook up something better, I'll be happy.

Yeah, I was going to say: if they decide to keep Hook in modern clothes from here on out, the costuming people really need to step their game up. What we've seen so far has been pretty unimpressive.

[YaddaYadda]

I'm hoping that the result on TV will be better.  I don't want them to get rid of the hook.  The hook doesn't make or break the character, but it's hook!!!

 

I was re-watching episodes of the Musketeers and the leather jackets on that show are pretty awesome.  I could easily see Hook in the one D'Artagnan wears.  But those are always personal opinions obviously.

[Souris]

ETOnline preview:

 

The creators also promised that in addition to getting "more Anna and Kristoff romance" and Elsa/Kristoff interactions, Frozen fans will be treated to a new cross-realm pairing. Get ready to see a new pair of blonde besties walking around Storybrooke together because Emma (Jennifer Morrison) and Elsa are going to be two magical peas in a pod! "I would be very upset if they didn't bond," Kitsis teased. "They have so much in common!" On that note, get ready to see Emma actively embrace and hone her magical abilities this year.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Souris

[FurryFury]

Gee, more Anna/Kristof romance! Exactly what I was looking forward to in the next season... not.

[KingOfHearts]

Can't say I'm too thrilled about the Emma/Elsa friendship if it's only going to last a few episodes. I am a little intrigued by Emma embracing her magic. Hopefully she can get into some of the more nitty gritty stuff (like using it on a more regular basis) instead of just using it in a pinch. Maybe she'll even use dark magic.

[FurryFury]

I hope Elsa will help Emma with learning to control her magic and accepting it, because it's familiar to her. This way, this short-lived friendship will be relevant, at least.

[ShadowFacts]

Day 11: night shoot with these ladies @LanaParrilla @GeorginaHaig #ElizabethMitchell 101smiles #UglyDucklin

Sounds to me like it could have been a night battle on the street? All four of those people are powerful magic users.

 

I want to see a rumble. 

[NotBothered]

Can't say I'm too thrilled about the Emma/Elsa friendship if it's only going to last a few episodes.

I'm actually fine with it, as long as any changes to Emma stick.  If they use this time for Emma to grow and change, that's great.  But if Emma only grows and changes while Elsa is around, and then reverts for 4B, it is going to be very tedious.

[Curio]

Sounds to me like it could have been a night battle on the street? All four of those people are powerful magic users.

I want to see a rumble.

I read this too quickly at first and thought you wanted to see a rumbelle. Which made me think to myself: "Hmm, well, Rumple being in a group magic fight would be pretty freaking awesome, but I don't know what Belle could contribute... except maybe throw some text books at the bad guys."

Edited September 4, 2014 by Curio

[ShadowFacts]

Rumbelle in a rumble, even better!

[YaddaYadda]

I want to see a rumble

 

And I wanna see rubble. 

[Amerilla]

I hate Eddy's coy "I would be very upset if they didn't bond..." For one thing, we know that "bonding," Once-style, means "they share a few scenes together." For another, how's about focusing on having Emma "bond" with people who are going to be around for more than 9 episodes. You remember: the characters you're already created?

 

And finally: I often feel like Eddy's pronouncements to the press are designed to distance himself from his own creation. He tries to take the "this wonderful story is just unfolding, flower-like, into the being," line, as if he has no role in or control over crafting the story. If you want Emma and Elsa to "bond," Eddy, write them "bonding" and work on having that word mean more than "Emma standing near Elsa while giving a variation of the same dialog you've given her every season so far."  Maybe that way, Mrs. Kitsis won't have to keep taking away his Internet privileges because the big meanies who criticize his work make him weep.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Amerilla