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If the EQ half also loves Robin, then it would be in character for her to try to bring him back. I have a feeling the show wants us to believe it was the "EQ" who tried to resurrect Daniel and "Regina" who put an end to it. Regina probably even put a preservation spell on the body, even though she had no hope of his soul still existing at that point, unlike with Hook where it still boggles my mind that no one preserved his body before they went to the Underworld.

Is Whale's upcoming reappearance just linking him to the Land of Untold Stories or will he be interacting with Regina/EQ at all in the present?

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

Rumsy4

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5 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Is Whale's upcoming reappearance just linking him to the Land of Untold Stories or will he be interacting with Regina/EQ at all in the present?

Oh, it would be awesome if EQ!Regina got Dr. Whale to resurrect Robin for her! Then something goes horribly wrong, and Zombie!Robin goes berserk in Storybrooke. Yes, the same thing happened with Daniel, but the writers do repeat storylines. lol

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40 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

IIRC, they said something along the lines, "For now, let's just say dead is dead."

Which is what they said about Jon Snow. I don't recall, what did these guys say about Hook, when we were all just about 100 percent sure that they were going to retrieve Hook from the Underworld? Did they do any coy stuff of trying to pretend that he was really dead for good? Because given their history of undoing any harm done to Regina, I wouldn't be surprised if they backtracked themselves, and it turns out that the soul obliteration thingy is only permanently fatal to gods, but when it happens to humans, it means the soul is actually wandering free and can be put back in the body, or something like that.

KingOfHearts

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1 hour ago, KAOS Agent said:

Wait, what? Why? Do we know if this is a Grumpy and Sneezy go to Six Flags kind of story or are they seriously going to do a whole dwarf plot?

Let me find the source... it was buried amongst all the other pre-season buzz.

Edit: Here it is. http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/23/once-upon-time-season-6-spoilers

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Lastly, will the dwarves finally get a story this year?
KITSIS: Oh, 100 percent. You are absolutely going to see Leroy (Lee Arenberg) and the dwarves are back at it. We’re going to learn the fate of Dopey.

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Mathius

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Yeah, I liked that even at the end of the previous episode she looked confused and pensive, it's not just her automatically going "Mwahahahaha!" and joining up with the EQ and betraying Regina due to that fight they had.  A part of her is tempted to do it (since she's "wicked" by instinct), but another part of her knows better and there's an actual conflict there, and I think Rebecca Mader is playing it well.

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KingOfHearts

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2 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

The question is whether EQ! Regina is merely using Zelena, and is secretly planning to kill her to take revenge for Robin's death. Then, Mayor!Regina will step in and save Zelena's life. Wait--I think I just figured out this sub-plot.

There was no real indication that EQ was genuinely interested in sisterly bonding, imo. If she needed Zelena's blood to open the vault, that wasn't depicted very well. Zelena just sort of stood there while she cracked it. Blood magic could have easily worked with EQ. I don't really get it.

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A part of her is tempted to do it (since she's "wicked" by instinct), but another part of her knows better and there's an actual conflict there, and I think Rebecca Mader is playing it well.

Zelena is awesome as a gray character. I didn't think the writers could pull it off, but it's been pretty steady. She's been helping out the heroes but she still has the choice to do whatever the hell she wants.

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13 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

There was no real indication that EQ was genuinely interested in sisterly bonding, imo. If she needed Zelena's blood to open the vault, that wasn't depicted very well. Zelena just sort of stood there while she cracked it. Blood magic could have easily worked with EQ. I don't really get it.

Zelena is awesome as a gray character. I didn't think the writers could pull it off, but it's been pretty steady. She's been helping out the heroes but she still has the choice to do whatever the hell she wants.

Agreed she is, and that is what Regina should have been all along...kinda bad, kinda good, helping the heroes when it suits her interests and when the inevitably screw everything up and she HAS to..("If they die that kid of mine will never stop whining...plus its nice to have someone to watch him when I am too busy or tired to deal with him") and actually having to decide on the path. Instead of this flip flopping EQ and the BIGGEST... HERO..EVER! They could have done it with the return of Marion when she tries to do the right thing but is tempted to do bad things..("Sydney, what if instead of killing her I a drunk spell and she wakes up in one of those disgusting Drawfs' beds...lets do Grumpy, he drinks and he smells to high heaven... and your there to take the pictures!") Instead she is automatically looking for ways to kill her and then all of a sudden isnt.  They just don't do gray well, which is more interesting then HERO or VILLAIN.

And you bring up a good question....is the EQ flesh and blood as Regina is? What does she eat, where does she sleep, how does the go to the bathroom with that get up?

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6 minutes ago, Souris said:

Sadly, because I think it will spell the end of the show for me, I think that Hook will be split and he's the figure under the hood who kills Emma.

I'd say you don't have to worry about that at all. Based on the spoilers we've been getting, it seems like Hook's character is on the back burner this season (save for his annual centric episode), so there's no way he's getting a significant scene like that. I'm 99% sure it's either going to be Regina/EQ under the hood as a parallel to the Season 1 dream Regina had where she was tied to the apple tree on Main Street and Emma slashed at Regina with Charming's sword. We now have the mirror/reversal of that with Regina swiping at Emma with the sword on Main Street.

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13 minutes ago, Souris said:

Sadly, because I think it will spell the end of the show for me, I think that Hook will be split and he's the figure under the hood who kills Emma.

Right now I think Emma's vision is more metaphorical than real and that she is fighting herself. But I wouldn't put past A&E to do something like this. It has everything they love: it's contrived, ridiculous, and they have already done it.

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I'd say you don't have to worry about that at all. Based on the spoilers we've been getting, it seems like Hook's character is on the back burner this season (save for his annual centric episode), so there's no way he's getting a significant scene like that.

This is one season where I actually wouldn't mind Emma and Hook being placed on the backburner. They need a break after the hell they experienced in S5.

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Agreed she is, and that is what Regina should have been all along...kinda bad, kinda good, helping the heroes when it suits her interests and when the inevitably screw everything up and she HAS to..

So basically 2A Regina.

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And you bring up a good question....is the EQ flesh and blood as Regina is? What does she eat, where does she sleep, how does the go to the bathroom with that get up?

She seems more like an entity than a "person" with a soul. She doesn't appear to have absolute Free Will since she is only comprised of darkness. But if she can love Henry, then it's probably just a mess that doesn't make any sense.

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RadioGirl27

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37 minutes ago, Curio said:

Wait, why are we saying this?

It's just a hunch. Lana and Jennifer filmed at least two scenes yesterday, one alone and one with Jared.

4 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I hope the hint about Killian's family on his father's side is a reference to Davy Jones (I never learn). 

Nah, we would discover that Nemo is some long lost uncle or something like that.

Reading that interview, it seems Hook's role is not going to be big or important this season and, like in season 4, he is going to be sidelined in the middle of the Rumbelle drama and away from Emma and the main story. Not that I'm surprised.

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20 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I hope the hint about Killian's family on his father's side is a reference to Davy Jones (I never learn). 

After the disappointment with his father last year, I've been kind of hoping "Davy" was either his mom or stepmom (which would help explain the TLK story). Liam 2 would also be family on his father's side, although the question was about his past.

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But this season, Rumple, or Mr. Gold, he’s particularly dark. He’s as dark as probably any Dark One can get.

That's interesting. 

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Mathius

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14 minutes ago, Curio said:

Yeah, sounds like the only main focus Hook will get this season is his centric episode with Nemo. Back to the Season 3/4 status quo, I suppose.

Season 3?  Hook had a lot of focus and development even outside his singular centrics in both 3A and 3B.  Season 4, yeah, it's gonna be like that.

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That's interesting. 

Not really, that's how he was like and described as in 5B too, ever since he pulled what he did in the 5A finale.  He's the darkest Dark One.

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Curio

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15 minutes ago, sharky said:

I wonder exactly what happened to Liam 2.0 after Hook killed their father, and if this is something he will have to resolve now that the little brother is around.

I was hoping this would be a multi-episode resolution, but it wouldn't surprise me if they crammed in Captain Nemo, Liam 2.0, and Hook's mom all into Episode 6. Season 5 was like an anomaly for Hook getting multiple significant episodes in a row.

What if Liam 2.0 became an archaeologist, traveled to the Land of Untold Stories, and changed his first name to Indiana?

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YaddaYadda

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Those who think that Hook is going to be sidelined, maybe consider the source of the interview? This was one big interview where a lot of questions were probably asked. Natalie Abrams isn't exactly known to promote anything Hook. If it had been Regina, it would be a different story.

And even then, the answers she published are from 6x01, 6x02 which is on Sunday and 6x06.

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Rumsy4

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38 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Liam 2 would also be family on his father's side, although the question was about his past.

Ooh. Good point. Liam 2.0 can definitely be considered as part of Hook's past. It would be nice to get some kind of follow-up on that.

About Rumple--now that he is supposed to be the Darkest of Dark Ones, there need to be consequences. Although after controlling Hook, attempting to kill Emma, then everyone in Storybrooke, and taking back the Dark Curse, he's done plenty of horrible things recently.

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I found the answer about how Hook feels about Rumple highly amusing:

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We haven’t really explored it so far this season, but I think deep down that will always be there.

So, basically, the scripts so far haven't actually addressed how Hook feels about Rumple now and whether he wants to kill him, and Colin's just having to extrapolate and work out his own headcanon. Because why would we want to follow up on major events?

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

50 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Liam 2 would also be family on his father's side, although the question was about his past.

2.0 was borrowed by Brennan Jones from the neighbor to pass him off as his son to try and prove a point that he had changed. The man lies, why wouldn't be lie about having an extra child that he named Liam because he couldn't come up with a different name on the fly. 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Mathius

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Oh thank God, Hook is going to confront Emma on her secret and get it from her very quickly.  It's still bad writing, but at least they won't drag it out.

Also, I'm glad that it's flat-out confirmed that Hook genuinely does want to help Belle for her sake and to make up for his treatment of her in S2.

BTW, I read up on Captain Nemo and I must give the writers credit: he is the perfect person to pair Hook with in a centric.  Nemo was obsessed with vengeance and went mad as a result, going from anti-hero to villain, in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.  But then in The Mysterious Island, he gets his redemption and shows that he is full of remorse for not only getting his own men killed but even for the enemies he's killed.  How similar to this show's Hook could you possibly get?  Now I'm really looking forward to the episode, and seeing how Hook and Nemo interact with each other.

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3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Doubtful. Even at his darkest, Hook still loved Emma. I don't see him killing her, or stabbing her to "de ath".

Unless EQ has heart......although I would hope that inbetween shots with Regina one of them got around to protecting it...

The cloak is very Dark One-ish....Colin says Rump is darker than ever..perhaps having become the most powerful DO ever in the way that he did ends up overwhelming him and he loses every last smidge of his humanity..

Or perhaps Emma tries to spilt into Savior magical half and regular human half...trying to avoid the Savior-fate....yeah, that is really reaching..!

KingOfHearts

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Why is Granny's suddenly a bad place to stay? Isn't that where they send everyone?

Belle: "We're... not together at the moment.
Granny (under her breath): "At the moment, she says."
Regina: "Well we all know that's subject to change."
Snow: "Wait, who is she again?"

It's weird that Henry is asking the LoUS people about their stories. They're refugees. They don't want their stories completed.

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