Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Rumsy4]

 

Where do we have official confirmation of this? I'm still skeptical they'll do this permanently. (Even though Robin brings nothing to the table, I don't think the writers have the guts to kill him off for good.)

 

I think people are extrapolating from the absence of Sean Maguire in the bts pictures + Little John and Friar tuck possibly going back to the EF with little Roland.  

[HoodlumSheep]

This is why I seriously hope they pull a "Frozen" again for 6a in the sense that it inserts some needed lighter material.

[CheshireCat]

kili, on 15 Mar 2016 - 5:54 PM, said:kili, on 15 Mar 2016 - 5:54 PM, said:kili, on 15 Mar 2016 - 5:54 PM, said:

Now we are grimly becoming like real life.

 

Agreed. And as dark as previous arcs may have been, they still were fairy tale arcs made up of fairy tale characers. This on the other hand...

 

I do like the Brothers Grimm vs Henry (good author) theory though and it would explain the darkness (and maybe also Robin's potential death and the return of the characters to the EF?) Maybe the Brothers don't like what the characters have done with their fairy tales? If you think along those lines, there could be some interesting stories there. If they get explored...

Edited March 15, 2016 by CheshireCat

[mjgchick]

If this is a Grimms bros vs Henry arc then wouldn't the story go from Emma's journey to Henry's? If so I'm going to take  a hard pass on that.

[CheshireCat]

mjgchick, on 15 Mar 2016 - 6:41 PM, said:

If this is a Grimms bros vs Henry arc then wouldn't the story go from Emma's journey to Henry's? If so I'm going to take  a hard pass on that.

 

So far, no one's been able to fight any fight alone, so I'd say no. Right now, Grimm Bros seems to be the only thing which makes sense, unless it relates to the title of 5x23 and it's an untold story as in something A&E cooked up on their own. Not sure I'd like that...

[RadioGirl27]

Looking at the pics from today, it seems like Merida, the Merry Men and Roland go through the door and then Zelena uses the Apprentice's wand to close it. And only Hook, Charming and Snow are there to say goodbye, no Emma and no Regina. But Jennifer and Lana also filmed a scene today in Stevenson.

[YaddaYadda]

Looking at the pics from today, it seems like Merida, the Merry Men and Roland go through the door and then Zelena uses the Apprentice's wand to close it. And only Hook, Charming and Snow are there to say goodbye, no Emma and no Regina. But Jennifer and Lana also filmed a scene today in Stevenson.

 

I don't know how this works seeing as Violet is in NYC with Henry unless her father decided they're staying.

 

Also, no Arthur filming? Did he die too, or something?

 

And I think we can definitely put a nail in Robin's coffin.

[CheshireCat]

YaddaYadda, on 15 Mar 2016 - 7:20 PM, said:

I don't know how this works seeing as Violet is in NYC with Henry unless her father decided they're staying.

 

Also, no Arthur filming? Did he die too, or something?

 

And I think we can definitely put a nail in Robin's coffin.

 

If Robin's dead then it makes sense he's not there to say goodbye, but why wouldn't Regina be there to say goodbye to Roland? That's odd. 

[KingOfHearts]

 

If Robin's dead then it makes sense he's not there to say goodbye, but why wouldn't Regina be there to say goodbye to Roland? That's odd.

Maybe she and Emma had to do something so she said goodbye to him earlier?

 

 

Ugh, if Robin dies...that means Operation Dumbass was all for nothing. Don't do this to me, show!

I thought it was all for nothing already...

Edited March 15, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

Ugh, if Robin dies...that means Operation Dumbass was all for nothing. Don't do this to me, show!

 

Edit: On the other hand, if Operation Dumbass served no purpose, I can just go ahead and pretend most of Season 4 didn't happen. Okay, never mind. I'm okay with Robin biting the dust.

Edited March 15, 2016 by Curio

[RadioGirl27]

I don't know how this works seeing as Violet is in NYC with Henry unless her father decided they're staying.

It seems Violet is also there, at least that's what one of the fans says.

 

If Robin's dead then it makes sense he's not there to say goodbye, but why wouldn't Regina be there to say goodbye to Roland? That's odd. 

It's odd, but we are talking about the woman who shut Henry out of her life when Robin left her.

[CheshireCat]

RadioGirl27, on 15 Mar 2016 - 7:35 PM, said:

It's odd, but we are talking about the woman who shut Henry out of her life when Robin left her.

 

Let's just say I think it was a lot more complex than that and leave it at that ;-)

 

On a different note - do I even want to know why Zelena can still use the Apprentice's wand? The first time around seemed iffy already (but I was willing to buy that because of the baby) but now...? Seriously? (unless because it possesses all the light magic you only need someone with dark magic but that isn't how I understood it)

[YaddaYadda]

If Robin's dead then it makes sense he's not there to say goodbye, but why wouldn't Regina be there to say goodbye to Roland? That's odd. 

Maybe she's already done so, and is just too sad to see him off. Maybe they'll have her looking from behind the window or something.

 

And they're trusting Zelena with the wand, and magic. Guessing she helped them out for realsies in the UW.

[Rumsy4]

Ugh, if Robin dies...that means Operation Dumbass was all for nothing. Don't do this to me, show!

 

We had to endure the stupidity of Operation Dumbass for a whole season, and we don't even get a stupid T-shirt for it.

[Curio]

On a different note - do I even want to know why Zelena can still use the Apprentice's wand? The first time around seemed iffy already (but I was willing to buy that because of the baby) but now...? Seriously? (unless because it possesses all the light magic you only need someone with dark magic but that isn't how I understood it)

 

They never clearly defined how that damn magic wand works. Does it require 50/50 light magic and dark magic? Does that mean the person who uses it has to be completely dark? Do they only need a little darkness? Do they just need to believe in themselves like Regina? The world may never know.

[CheshireCat]

Curio, on 15 Mar 2016 - 7:44 PM, said:

They never clearly defined how that damn magic wand works. Does it require 50/50 light magic and dark magic? Does that mean the person who uses it has to be completely dark? Do they only need a little darkness? Do they just need to believe in themselves like Regina? The world may never know.

 

I took "both sides of the coin" to mean that the person needs to possess and be able to use light and dark magic and needs both to "activate" the wand. But then, they have left the light and dark magic itself pretty undefined anyway.

Still, it kind of seems that there are certain characters who really need to work for their happy ending and/or redemption and have one arc or several arcs over which they have to do it and for others it's done with one episode (since it seems that Zelena gets redeemed, too... much to my regret). Doesn't seem fair and that annoys me.

[Katherine]

If Robin actually does die, maybe Regina isn't there to say goodbye to Roland because she's off becoming the evil queen again? I kind of doubt Adam and Eddy would actually do that, since lots of fans would riot, but I seem to recall them asking fans at Comic Con if they want to see the Evil Queen again.

[CheshireCat]

Katherine, on 15 Mar 2016 - 7:53 PM, said:

If Robin actually does die, maybe Regina isn't there to say goodbye to Roland because she's off becoming the evil queen again? I kind of doubt Adam and Eddy would actually do that, since lots of fans would riot, but I seem to recall them asking fans at Comic Con if they want to see the Evil Queen again.

 

They can do Evil Queen in flashbacks, thank you very much. ;-)

I'd be one to riot if they'd do it. Talk about character assassination. Though if Regina were to become the Evil Queen again wouldn't she be an enemy in itself? The first 1 1/2 / 2 seasons didn't really need outside enemies because they had Regina (and her mother) and their hands full. So, if Regina went back to Evil Queen would they really need the new characters?

Though if they are the Grimm Bros then they could be responsible for a darker Regina. It could be interesting if they wanted her back as Evil Queen and she'd have to fight that. Same goes for Snow, if she had to fight someone else's will to not believe in Regina anymore. But I guess, it would be hard to fit Hook and Zelena into that story. (Henry, Emma and Charming, I could see, the rest not so much).

[YaddaYadda]

If Robin actually does die, maybe Regina isn't there to say goodbye to Roland because she's off becoming the evil queen again? I kind of doubt Adam and Eddy would actually do that, since lots of fans would riot, but I seem to recall them asking fans at Comic Con if they want to see the Evil Queen again.

 

Or she and Emma realize that Henry and Violet are gone, and are looking for them.

[Curio]

We had to endure the stupidity of Operation Dumbass for a whole season, and we don't even get a stupid T-shirt for it.

 

Not if I have anything to say about it.

 

They can do Evil Queen in flashbacks, thank you very much. ;-)

 

Ah, yes. There's always Round 2304985723 of the Evil Queen vs. Snow White.

[Mathius]

Well, I guess Robin's death isn't the blind item after all, since it and the funeral appears to be in 5x22, not 5x23. So the blind item must be for a different show.

And the secrecy going on with Lana's filming makes me think Regina IS going Evil Queen again, and she'll end up in the mental hospital.

Edited March 16, 2016 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

Not if I have anything to say about it..

OMG! Too good!!

I don't think Regina will revert to Evil Queen. Maybe this is her final test to show she has changed or whatever.

[KingOfHearts]

 

I don't think Regina will revert to Evil Queen. Maybe this is her final test to show she has changed or whatever.

Oh geez, I can see it now. They destroy the Underworld, only to have Robin die shortly after. Emma will have been able to save her boyfriend, but Regina couldn't have saved hers. Sigh.

Edited March 16, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

Well, I guess Robin's death isn't the blind item after all, since it and the funeral appears to be in 5x22, not 5x23. So the blind item must be for a different show.

And the secrecy going on with Lana's filming makes me think Regina IS going Evil Queen again, and she'll end up in the mental hospital.

 

The funeral was in 5x21, and Lana was present earlier on set with Jen. Regina looked fine.

[ABitOFluff]

Nope, nope. The mental hospital stuff is all a huge misdirect. Haha, A&E, funny joke. Besides, they never reveal the next arc so early.

 

#pleaseletitbeamisdirect

Edited March 16, 2016 by ABitOFluff

[ParadoxLost]

It sounds like Henry and Violet are not in Storybrooke because the Camelot crew are going home.  I presume they ran away so they wouldn't be separated.  I'm not sure where the idea that Regina and Emma are ok with it is coming from.  Maybe they think Henry went to visit a missing year friend and don't know Violet tagged along.  Although Henry leaving Storybrooke at all when the town seems to be cut off from the outside world more often than not seems like they'd never be ok with it.  So maybe filming is just not linear to the episode and they haven't found out yet.

 

As for the mental institution, I'm guessing its not Regina's and is outside Storybrooke.  My gut reaction is that its more than likely an Alice I Wonderland scenario than a fairytale with ties to asylums.  I'm thinking a fairytale character popped out of the EF or some other realm and got committed.  Or some poor sap fell into a realm and returned only to get committed.  And the Warden is sadistic but once he believes he becomes a threat to Storybrooke ala Home Office.  I tend to think they are going to take another crack at outsiders being dangerous which they handle terribly with dwarves forming lynch mobs.

[CheshireCat]

Oh geez, I can see it now. They destroy the Underworld, only to have Robin die shortly after. Emma will have been able to save her boyfriend, but Regina couldn't have saved hers. Sigh.

 

Doesn't make much sense but then, I'm not sure sense is something that can always be applied. ...

 

 

The funeral was in 5x21, and Lana was present earlier on set with Jen. Regina looked fine.

 

Since Henry is missing as well (and Violet was said to be there) maybe Regina and Emma are simply off with Henry somewhere? (And why would Regina, as an Evil Queen, end up in a mental hospital?)

I'm wondering if the mental hospital thing is connected to the NYC excursion. After all, it seems like Storybrooke's mental institution is in the hospital where Regina kept Belle and later Zelena. Not sure how that is all supposed to work out though but maybe somehow all the characters get trapped in that mental institution? Though, while certainly possibly hilarious, I'm not sure that has a lot to do with OUAT.

 

And a funeral that the blind item doesn't refer to means that the character can possibly come back. It might not mean Robin's permanent end in that case (if it's him). As bland as he may be, I hope not. I kind of like if each of the three leading ladies have their significant other and the quest is something other than finding love. I like if one thing (in this case the love angle) is settled and we can move on to other obstacles).

[YaddaYadda]

It sounds like Henry and Violet are not in Storybrooke because the Camelot crew are going home.

 

Violet is there. 

 

http://oncers.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=45&page=2

Edited March 16, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Mathius]

(And why would Regina, as an Evil Queen, end up in a mental hospital?)

 

Well, aside from a psychotic break, it's because I suspect the mental hospital is in the Land Without Magic, and Regina will somehow get stuck out there declaring herself the Evil Queen and acting like the Evil Queen and, yeah, reality ensues.

 

It would be morbidly hilarious since yeah, can you imagine someone in real life acting the way Regina does as the Evil Queen?  They'd probably be officially declared insane and put in a mental hospital too.

 

Regina wouldn't stay that way though, she'd likely recover and bond with Nathaniel (new love interest, maybe?)

Edited March 16, 2016 by Mathius

[KAOS Agent]

 

Comma splice of death? Dangling participle of no return?

 

In the case of Henry and his pen, a comma could literally save lives. "Let's eat Grandma!" vs "Let's eat, Grandma!" The comma is the only thing separating our heroes from becoming cannibals. Mary Margaret better hope she was a good English teacher or she could end up as dinner. 

 

 

 

Violet is there.

 

So Violet is going home? And Merida too? I cannot express my joy at this news. Now if only Zelena would join them.

[Mathius]

So Violet is going home? And Merida too? I cannot express my joy at this news. Now if only Zelena would join them.

 

I understand Merida, and even Zelena (though I like her), but what the heck did Violet ever do wrong?

[mjgchick]

I understand Merida, and even Zelena (though I like her), but what the heck did Violet ever do wrong?

She didn't do anything wrong but her family is in Camelot and I don't think anyone cares to see Henry get romanticle.

[CheshireCat]

KAOS Agent, on 15 Mar 2016 - 9:15 PM, said:

 

So Violet is going home? And Merida too? I cannot express my joy at this news. Now if only Zelena would join them.

 

I actually like Merida... Liked her much better than the Frozen characters even though I much prefer Frozen over Brave, so I wouldn't have minded had she stuck around. (But without delving into her story too much) She seemed to be good for Belle, too... But I don't really think they need any more characters than they have.

[mjgchick]

Bex, Josh, Colin and Ginny are having a grand ole time.

Mean while ohh Emma in a dress. She gets to play for five minutes before she has to go save the world.

[Rumsy4]

Some people are saying Hook, Snow, & Charming are getting sucked through the portal, but there is no consensus as to whether the cast were just goofing around or not. Seriously another CS separation at the end of the arc would be ridiculous, even for this Show!

 

ETA: Sneak Peek. The Hook torture porn continues. :-(

Edited March 16, 2016 by Rumsy4

[ParadoxLost]

ETA: Sneak Peek. The Hook torture porn continues. :-(

 

But Hook didn't write the names.

 

Its the hair in the headshot (so probably means nothing) to announce Hank Harris casting as mental patient, but its screaming LOTR and The Hobbit to me.

[Mathius]

It doesn't look like Hook is sucked through the door. Zelena definitely is, then Snow and Charming are for getting too close trying to save her. Chances are Hook will be the one to tell Emma what just happened, and now we have context for Emma standing in front of the door.

[mjgchick]

Snow and Charming are going to be taken away from both their children? Damn What the hell did they do to deserve this? Don't answer that.

[Rumsy4]

I know this is Once Upon a Time, but I have to roll my eyes at someone or the other always getting sucked through portals. These people need Portal-proof vests or something like that. 

 

The question is, are Snowing saved by the end of the season, or will 6A be a #SaveSnowing arc. 

 

Also, if Zelena is helping them willingly, does this mean she decided to become a "good" guy? 

[Mathius]

I think it's pretty obvious that in 5x19, the conveniently timed young Zelena & young Regina flashback is going to have some influence on Zelena in the present, as is finally meeting her mother Cora, and she'll "reform", as it were.

[CheshireCat]

Rumsy4, on 16 Mar 2016 - 12:39 AM, said:

I know this is Once Upon a Time, but I have to roll my eyes at someone or the other always getting sucked through portals. These people need Portal-proof vests or something like that. 

 

The question is, are Snowing saved by the end of the season, or will 6A be a #SaveSnowing arc. 

 

Also, if Zelena is helping them willingly, does this mean she decided to become a "good" guy? 

 

I'm assuming they're going down the same road with Zelena that they took with Regina, that the love for a child will save her. Would have liked if they had taken a different road here though since technically, even if Zelena has a baby that Regina can't have, Regina still has that child because Robin would be raising it with her. Would give them points for originality and creativity if they went down a different road with Zelena but all signs point to no, they don't.

[KAOS Agent]

 

I think it's pretty obvious that in 5x19, the conveniently timed young Zelena & young Regina flashback is going to have some influence on Zelena in the present, as is finally meeting her mother Cora, and she'll "reform", as it were.

 

Yep, "Sisters" is going to be the "Mother" episode this year only it will be about Zelena's sudden realization about how Pistachio is her saving grace and babies fix everything. Cora will say something that triggers it all and then Zelena will be redeemed.

[Mathius]

No, I seriously doubt Pistachio has anything to do with it. I think it's all about the root of her wickedness, which is her mother abandoning her and her jealousy of her sister. Meeting Cora will provide closure for the former issue, the flashback (in which I assume a young Regina and young Zelena meet and bond without ever learning the other's identity, with the realization only hitting in the present day) providing closure for the latter issue.

[CheshireCat]

Mathius, on 16 Mar 2016 - 12:57 AM, said:

No, I seriously doubt Pistachio has anything to do with it. I think it's all about the root of her wickedness, which is her mother abandoning her and her jealousy of her sister. Meeting Cora will provide closure for the former issue, the flashback (in which I assume a young Regina and young Zelena meet and bond without ever learning the other's identity, with the realization only hitting in the present day) providing closure for the latter issue.

 

I've also been wondering if this episode will help Cora to move on from the Underworld. Wouldn't that be a lovely loss for Hades?!  

[mjgchick]

If Cora says Young Zelena is Regina's cousin to Regina I'm going to think someone in the writing room has been watching a bit of Pretty Little Liars.

 

At this point Hades deserves a kick in the ass. What a dick.

Edited March 16, 2016 by mjgchick

[SiobhanJW]

Some of the videos of them all in front of the Portal Door make me think that they were joking about being sucked in because people were laughing. Who knows. I guess it could be at the beginning of the episode and Killian/Snowing find their way back by the end. 

[PixiePaws1]

i cant even contemplate Killian being sucked into a portal....again...just after he gets body & soul back together with Emma.....was death-by-girlfriend and gratuitous torture not enough....

anyways..moving on...

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/katmtan/25623012791/in/set-72157665822326045/

page Emma holding from the storybook or did she take it off that bulletin board? ?

Edited March 16, 2016 by PixiePaws1

[YaddaYadda]

Portals and memory losses are now interchangeable. We obviously don't know if this is happening for real or not, but I was really hoping the new arc would have to do with the people Regina keeps in the mental ward for whatever reasons, like Belle, Sydney, Zelena more recently. If this is in another realm that 4 of the characters fall in accidentally, then uncle! UNCLE!

 

There's a whole story waiting to be told in SB, but we're going somewhere else.

 

What bugs even more is that the writers refuses to let the stories breathe. These people just got back from the UW which doesn't look like it's been a stroll in the park, they bury one of their own, and then CRISIS, because apparently the characters cannot exist without a crisis.

[YaddaYadda]

The show has really taken on a very dark turn. It sort of bugs that they won't let up on it for 5 minutes.

 

The sneak peek probably plays out in the first 10 minutes of the episode. I don't think we've ever seen this much blood on this show like ever. They seem to be upping the ante with one character for a reason. This is how I make myself feel better by thinking there's more to this than just gratuitous torture.

[mjgchick]

Are Emma and Killian wearing their Dark One outfits? Also when was the last time they blocked a CS scene? Something must happen for them to block it. It can't just be a kiss.

Adam need to give these people five minutes to breathe.