Souris February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 (edited) I'm kind of assuming it's something like Merida's ale, that will allow her to communicate with him. I'm thinking that Hook will be a ghost/spirit in the UW, at least for part of the time. And when they leave, Emma will have to play Orpheus and trust that he is with her and not look back. It will be a huge test of faith. And had damn well better have a happier ending than with Eurydice!! Edited February 16, 2016 by Souris 2 Link to comment
Curio February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 (edited) The vial looks awkwardly shaped, like it's an attachment to a bigger MacGuffin. Edited February 16, 2016 by Curio 3 Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 I think there might be more than Hook's grave there. Even Regina seems a bit out of sorts standing there. 1 Link to comment
KingOfHearts February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 (edited) Henry looks upset in one still--looks like Robin is comforting him. I wonder if Henry sees his father's grave, meaning he's disappointed that he has already moved into the afterlife. (So he can't see him in the Underworld.) As far as promo pictures go. I like the Evil Queen costume, except for the hair. It gives me terrible memories of the ballerina bun from 3x19. Funny seeing Snow, Charming and the dwarves having a party as a nod to the 100th episode. If you notice in Pan's shop, he has the chipped cup, Cogsworth, the Peter Pan doll he gave Rumple, and a spinning wheel. Edited February 16, 2016 by KingOfHearts Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 I guess it must be a bad flashback to seeing Neal's Gravestone for Henry. If you think about it, Henry has lost most of his father-figures, starting from Graham to his own father Neal, and now Hook. Robin almost died a couple of times in 5A, but we didn't really get to see Henry's reaction to that (nor do we know what kind of a relationship they have). So, it can't be easy for him. Both Pan and Cora look subdued. I'm guessing Regina and Cora will make it up before Regina comes back to the Real World. Not sure about Pan. He didn't seem to have a particle of empathy ever, so Afterlife can't make much of a difference IMO. Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 I guess it must be a bad flashback to seeing Neal's Gravestone for Henry. If you think about it, Henry has lost most of his father-figures, starting from Graham to his own father Neal, and now Hook. Robin almost died a couple of times in 5A, but we didn't really get to see Henry's reaction to that (nor do we know what kind of a relationship they have). So, it can't be easy for him. I'm the furthest thing from a Henry fan, but I think it's a shame that the show has not addressed what he has gone through regarding loss. We talk about how Regina, a grown up was unable to take the loss of Daniel for instance, and how she behaved poorly after Robin left, and how she threatened to control Emma into saving Robin's life in 5x02. But Henry? Henry knew Graham his entire life, that's 10 solid years of having this man be part of his life even though Storybrooke was a messed up town. He lost his father 3 times. The first time was when Emma lied about him, the second when he was shot and fell through the portal, and the 3rd when he really died. Walsh, 8 months. Hook... Going back to the stills we got, and yay, it means the show is right around the corner, I'm impressed that Pan might be helping. Sounds like he might have mellowed out a lot. And Rumple is actually helping, as in helping. 1 Link to comment
Curio February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 And Rumple is actually helping, as in helping. Famous last words... Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 Famous last words... I know, right? I find it interesting that he seems to be nowhere near the Undervengers after 5x14. I know there's a lot of in studio, so that might amount to absolutely nothing in the end. Link to comment
maryle February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 Something I should want before comment but its been so long Since new promo pic for an episode. Its work in for me I am excitons for 5p12. 1 Link to comment
Curio February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 I find it interesting that he seems to be nowhere near the Undervengers after 5x14. I think Rumple will have his own agenda in the Underworld, kind of like the Neverland arc, and he won't be a huge part of the main group until the end of 5B. Meanwhile, Emma and the gang will be naive...again...and assume Rumple won't be up to anything dastardly, but he'll double-cross them during the finale and his actions will lead us into an Agrabah-themed Season 6A. 1 Link to comment
Souris February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 So Emilie can't film now. Guess she's about to have the baby! She also probably won't be around much the next few eps, I'd guess. 1 Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 So Emilie can't film now. Guess she's about to have the baby! She also probably won't be around much the next few eps, I'd guess. What I would like to know is if body double has a baby bump too. 1 Link to comment
PixiePaws1 February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 Is that how Emma wakes him up? I'm still wondering if Hook and Emma can touch or not.Looks like Regina and Cora can touch and the rules should be the same for Emma and Killian....unless Cora is 'special '..Hmm...maybe what Emma pours out of that flask brings Killian's body to the UW....hopefully he wouldn't have to dig himself out.....! Link to comment
mjgchick February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 Hmm...maybe what Emma pours out of that flask brings Killian's body to the UW....hopefully he wouldn't have to dig himself out.....! Buffy PTSD flashbacks. Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 16, 2016 Share February 16, 2016 So, time to over-analyze things. Pan seems to favor the no-clutter approach to running a pawn shop. Here are some things I noticed in the pictures of the shop interior: 1. Seven clocks (to indicate the element of time–the clock is ticking + the obligatory “tick tock” reference). 2. Spinning Wheel/Sewing Machine (could be another reference time = the wheel of time. Again emphasizing the time-element. Also DO Rumple's hobby) 3. Ship/boat replicas (reference to Hook, as he is the cause of this mission) 4. The chipped cup and saucer (Rumple dashed Chip to pieces in 5A, and it’s now sitting on a pedestal in the UW pawn shop. Rumbelle's dead y'll) 5. Peter Pan doll (to show that Pan has some regrets, perhaps) 6. Candlesticks, but no candles (could be a reference to this being the land of the Dead). 5 Link to comment
Amerilla February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) Reading the set tweets, I don't think it's that Em can't film now, just that she can't film an action scene. The imperfect consensus is that she's about 7 months along, so she'll likely make it to the end of filming or close to it. Edited February 17, 2016 by Amerilla Link to comment
Souris February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Music timeline for 5x18. I can see QUEENS, ZELENA, RED, SNO (possibly SNOW), WRAITH, DESERT. Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I like his tweet from February 1 that says he has his ComiCon tickets in hand and that he will see everyone in July #onceuponatime Show already renewed then? Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Heh. I had a thought. What if James tries to convince Snow that he is David so he can hitch a ride to the Living World? He's going to get punched in the face. 5B actually has a lot of comedic potential with so many awkward "family" meetings coming up. Link to comment
KingOfHearts February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) Heh. I had a thought. What if James tries to convince Snow that he is David so he can hitch a ride to the Living World? He's going to get punched in the face. 5B actually has a lot of comedic potential with so many awkward "family" meetings coming up Knowing this show, Snow will probably sleep with James thinking he's Charming, then a second child will spawn. But it'll be okay because kids know this is a magical show and not realistic at all. Edited February 17, 2016 by KingOfHearts 1 Link to comment
KAOS Agent February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) Pan is back! I'm so happy that his appearance in the premiere isn't all we're getting of him. Of course he's filming with Zelena which dampens my enthusiasm a bit, but still. Also the clock has moved to 8:25. Edited February 17, 2016 by KAOS Agent 1 Link to comment
InsertWordHere February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I have decided that I think it would be fun if James & Cruella were a thing. SpottedTwin? DevilPrince? DoubleDevil? #ChiseledPup? I hope James is in more eps. I want others to meet him! Well, if she thought David was hot as sheriff she would probably like the slightly villainous Sheriff James even more. I'm in! I want everyone to meet James too! It will be a shame if Snow and Emma don't meet him. Also, I'm almost convinced that Regina had to have met him before he died even though she sadly never got to dance with him. I wouldn't be opposed to an AU Regina/James ship. Link to comment
Lieutenant February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I will take any and all extra Robbie Kay/Pan that I can get. Damn, but I loved that little shit. Seems like 5.19 is gonna be extremely packed character-wise. Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Seems like this episode could be a last hurrah before they leave the Underworld. Hence all the cameos. Link to comment
retrograde February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Is Henry hugging Robin in one of those promo pics? And is it because Robin was the only one smart enough to leave his offspring at home away from hell? Link to comment
Souris February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 So night filming was Rumple, Pan & Zelena. I feel like there's more Zelena than anybody else in 5B. Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Let's start a Once Upon a Zelena campaign. 2 Link to comment
Souris February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 So Firebird is another name for the Phoenix, which rises anew from the ashes. I'm already seeing people think it's about Killian. I highly doubt that. Given the way this arc has gone, it's probably about Zelena. Or Hades. Or there's always Regina! The x20 ep has been heavy on her (and Zelena) the past two seasons. Link to comment
PixiePaws1 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 i wonder if Firebird refers more to entire UW version of Storybrooke..which looks like a wreck....being 'reborn' with all the broken, shabby and degraded town being resurrected or reset because Emma &Co have passed a test or completed a task ......probably a bit out there as theories go.. Link to comment
KingOfHearts February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 There's also the Firebird Suite from Fantasia 2000. A nymph unintentionally awakens a demon, which destroys the forest and defeats her. In the end, she is reborn and restores the land. Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 There's also this Russian fairy tale/ballet where a magical Firebird helps a prince defeat an evil magician (Koschei the Deathless) whose soul is kept hidden inside an egg, thus freeing all the people he had entrapped with his magic. It's unlikely for Hades to be literally killed at the end of the arc, but the fable might otherwise fit. The Firebird will most likely end up being the deux ex machina of the arc to help defeat the "baddie". 2 Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) http://countress-raven.tumblr.com/tagged/ouat-spoilers Looks like Pan is helping the Nevengers take down Zelena. Hmmm... I'm sure the little shit has his own agenda. Edited February 17, 2016 by Rumsy4 Link to comment
Curio February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 No, no... you guys are overthinking the firebird. EXT. GRANNY'S DINER - DAY Out of nowhere, Lily pulls up in her 1970s FIREBIRD. LILY Hey, bitches! Did you forget to help me find my father? That was promised to me like a year ago! EMMA Goddamit, I was hoping you forgot about that plot... 5 Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) I like the ballet reference. I looked it up and it does fit within what's going on during this arc. Zelena also has hair kissed by fire btw (borrowing from GoT) And there's the phoenix reference, and rebirth. So Hook, but it could also be a number of things especially if some dead people are trying to hitch a ride back to the land of the living. This episode could end up being exactly like 5x08, we saw 3 separate births in it. It could be one of the above or all 3. Looking over the filming spoilers from yeseterday - Zelena is kidnapped by Pan and Rumple - Is she leverage against Hades? Maybe they're trapped in the UW, and can't get out. I could see Hades being, well no one is leaving this place, and deciding everyone is staying. Question is why is Pan even helping at all? Pan is a little shit, so what did Rumple promise him in exchange for his help? I don't think Pan is like I wanna release my son from the UW. Plus there's the whole Neal issue which I'm sure Rumple hasn't let go of with Zelena just yet. Then there's the confrontation between James and David. David gets tazered. That means he's not going to make it back to MM, Emma, and everyone else. So where is he? Is James looking to pass himself off as David and hitch a ride with everyone else? 5x19 just got more interesting. Edited February 17, 2016 by YaddaYadda 2 Link to comment
maryle February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I am dancing! We are getting Emma flash back. I hope it is a good and meaningful one! 1 Link to comment
KingOfHearts February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 If Pan needs a bag to ambush her, do they all not have magic? Link to comment
Curio February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 We are getting Emma flash back. Please be longer than 30 seconds. Please let it be an important scene and not some random retcon with Merlin popping in to give advice in a movie theater. Please let there be absolutely no references to fucking Lily. Please let there be no ham-fisted parallel where Emma needs to beg for Regina's friendship in the present day because she happened to save an innocent person's life. Please let it be the main flashback of the episode and not a quick vignette. Please... 5 Link to comment
Rumsy4 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Please be longer than 30 seconds. Please let it be an important scene and not some random retcon with Merlin popping in to give advice in a movie theater. Please let there be absolutely no references to fucking Lily. Please let there be no ham-fisted parallel where Emma needs to beg for Regina's friendship in the present day because she happened to save an innocent person's life. Please let it be the main flashback of the episode and not a quick vignette. Please... Let's all hold hands and work the magic on A&E. Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I wonder if this won't be a flashback of the Neal months. They are filming inside a clothing store as well as outside. Link to comment
mjgchick February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 (edited) It sounds like a Storybrook flashback. I need a flashback of when Emma decided to be a bailbonds person or something. Edited February 17, 2016 by mjgchick Link to comment
RadioGirl27 February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I'm not sure it's a flashback. Jennifer is wearing the same boots (I want them), the same pants and it seems the same sweater she was wearing in the UW. 2 Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I think it's either present time which would then indicate that they are back from the UW and things may not have worked out like she had hoped. Or it's a missing scene in 5x11 where she went out of town looking for something and came back to Storybrooke so that they could head to the UW. Regardless though, I think Emma is bailsbonding. Link to comment
Selina K February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Is she holding a script? Could it just be rehearsal? Link to comment
Souris February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 I'm trying to figure why, if this is a flashback scene to Emma first buying her red leather jacket, she's wearing the same boots & other clothes that she's been wearing in the UW. 1 Link to comment
mjgchick February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 She wears that blue sweatshirt in the underworld as well? Link to comment
Souris February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 She wears that blue sweatshirt in the underworld as well? Not that, but the boots & pants are the same as the UW. And it looks like she has the white sweater on under the blue hoodie. Link to comment
Curio February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 It's weird seeing Emma wear a hoodie. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times we've seen her wear a hoodie in 5 years. Link to comment
YaddaYadda February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Let's just say that what Emma is wearing is the stuff she was wearing before she went to the UW, and that makes it confusing as hell as to what this is. But good news! Emma centric episode? This is going to be exactly like 5x08 I think, a title that means different things. At this point though, I'm convinced that Emma is firebird. the other portion may or may not have anything to do with someone rising from the ashes because phoenix. 1 Link to comment
scenicbyway February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Sounds like they are cursed again. But then, how does Emma get out of Underbrooke/Storybrooke to go to NYC to buy the red jacket. If this is more memory loss... Link to comment
KingOfHearts February 17, 2016 Share February 17, 2016 Emma buys her leather jacket? Sounds like another pointless flashback to me. (Unless there's something else the jacket has to do with.) Link to comment
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