Ratings and Scheduling: Hail to the Gods

[BkWurm1]

Do they just push back the actual Arrow airing or relocate it to another day?  How long will they have to wait to get those ratings numbers included? 

[Starfish35]

I'm not sure when they'll air it, but I think (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that the ratings for rescheduled airings are not included in the regular episode ratings.  Well, other than situations where it's simply bumped to the next week at the same time.  

So if they air it at like 2am, they're not going to add those 2am viewers to the regular timeslot viewers for the episode.  That's my understanding anyway.  The final ratings will just have the sports viewers subtracted out that were improperly counted in the preliminary ratings.  

[Velocity23]

23 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I'm not sure when they'll air it, but I think (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that the ratings for rescheduled airings are not included in the regular episode ratings.  Well, other than situations where it's simply bumped to the next week at the same time.  

So if they air it at like 2am, they're not going to add those 2am viewers to the regular timeslot viewers for the episode.  That's my understanding anyway.  The final ratings will just have the sports viewers subtracted out that were improperly counted in the preliminary ratings.  

If it airs before 2 AM its added to the final ratings. In preliminary ratings everything will be included in Arrows ratings that aired on the CW at 9 PM

[Starfish35]

Ok, so 2am is the cutoff for being included.  Good to know.

[paulvdb]

I believe later airings are included in L+3 and L+7 ratings but in order for it to be included in final L+SD ratings it has to air before 2am on the same day.

The preliminary ratings are based on the timeslot which means that they include whatever aired at 9pm in each local market.

[Morrigan2575]

7 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

Do they just push back the actual Arrow airing or relocate it to another day?  How long will they have to wait to get those ratings numbers included? 

Baseball ran to 9:30-10 so no SPN or Arrow last night. Probably on Saturday.

As far as Prelims vs finals, Baseball (historically) doesn't impact the demo, usually inflates viewers a bit. 

No idea what will happen today, we'll find out soon enough.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[Morrigan2575]

[Velocity23]

Supernatural ....................... 0.551 ... (0.551 ... 0.552)
Arrow .................................. 0.430 ... (0.433 ... 0.427)

Unrounded numbers ...

[EmilyBettFan]

It went up in viewers.

[Velocity23]

1 minute ago, EmilyBettFan said:

It went up in viewers.

I think the viewers are probably inflated but think they gonna keep the 0.4

[apinknightmare]

Ouch. 

[bijoux]

That’s a huge drop. Almost 500.000 viewers? :o

[JJ928]

Looks like that NY preemption really hurt. Guess we'll see if they bounce back next week.

Edited April 6, 2018 by JJ928

[tarotx]

Wow. I'm going to assume that the two shows didn't air before 2am or whatever the cutoff. 

[insomniadreams88]

At least in some areas (like mine), they're not airing until tomorrow night. 

[lemotomato]

NYC is the #1 ranked market for Nielsen for a reason. According to this site, Nielsen projects that market to represent 6% of the whole country. 

ETA: to our friends that lurk and comment about our posts elsewhere, NYC is much bigger than Chicago or LA, so yes, it makes sense that this preemption correlated with a bigger drop than previous ones in those cities.

Edited April 7, 2018 by lemotomato

[Mary0360]

9 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

NYC is the #1 ranked market for Nielsen for a reason. According to this site, Nielsen projects that market to represent 6% of the whole country. 

Dont make excuses. It's clearly Olicity's fault for murdering Laurel, Havenrock and ruining Barry and Iris spew in the park wedding. ?

[lemotomato]

1 minute ago, Mary0360 said:

Dont make excuses. It's clearly Olicity's fault for murdering Laurel, Havenrock and ruining Barry and Iris spew in the park wedding. ?

You know that's highly likely what some corners of the Internet are actually saying :P

I took a look at the Yankees schedule. Looks like their Thursday evening games are sometimes aired on WPIX11, the CW channel. There are evening games airing on 4/19 and 5/10, so episodes 619 and 622 are going to get pre-empted.

[tv echo]

Riverdale dropped to 0.3 demo and 0.96 viewers recently, and that show's only in its second season. (I don't recall if they had any preemption justification for their drop.)

That said, I wish Arrow would move back to Wednesday night.

Edited April 6, 2018 by tv echo

[Mary0360]

2 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

You know that's highly likely what some corners of the Internet are actually saying :P

Oh yes I'm waiting for the premature celebrating on twitter over Arrows demise. I mean, it's been picked up for a seventh season, but what is logical explanations next to bias head canons? 

[Morrigan2575]

47 minutes ago, tarotx said:

Wow. I'm going to assume that the two shows didn't air before 2am or whatever the cutoff. 

They didn't, Baseball aited and then the news. Arrow/SPN air on Saturday.

[lemotomato]

15 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

Oh yes I'm waiting for the premature celebrating on twitter over Arrows demise. I mean, it's been picked up for a seventh season, but what is logical explanations next to bias head canons? 

Someone has already declared that the CW must be seriously regretting renewing Arrow now, and this the ratings indicate everyone has given up on the show because it's not the Green Arrow show anymore. I can't wait for how next week's miraculous recovery is going to be explained.

[Mary0360]

4 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

 I can't wait for how next week's miraculous recovery is going to be explained.

Easy. Everyone was just really excited to watch the

Spoiler

Imminent Olicity divorce 

Edited April 6, 2018 by Mary0360
It's a fake spoiler but figured tags just incase ;)

[Primal Slayer]

54 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

Dont make excuses. It's clearly Olicity's fault for murdering Laurel, Havenrock and ruining Barry and Iris spew in the park wedding. ?

[EmilyBettFan]

I was at work so I checked some of the resident's rooms and the show is usually on but it wasn't last night on their screens.

Edited April 7, 2018 by EmilyBettFan

[apinknightmare]

I mean the show is circling the drain no doubt but people puffing their chests over ratings for an episode that was preempted are...lol. 

[Morrigan2575]

3 hours ago, apinknightmare said:

I mean the show is circling the drain no doubt but people puffing their chests over ratings for an episode that was preempted are...lol. 

Stupid? Yeah ?

No seriously, Arrow and SPN both dropped 500k in viewers. Obviously losing NYC hurt them both.

I just mentioned in the SPN Ratings Thread that I should have known better. This happened in S2 or S3, one of the final episodes, the LL/KC stans started attacking MG about failing ratings and how it was all Olicity's fault. 

I remember laughing at his tweet because it was like yeah, we lost the #1 market and the CW is well aware.

Sadly ratings in fandom is just some dumb pissing contest. 

[Velocity23]

8 hours ago, Mary0360 said:

Dont make excuses. It's clearly Olicity's fault for murdering Laurel, Havenrock and ruining Barry and Iris spew in the park wedding. ?

Wow and the promise of DragonSiren didnt bring in the eyeballs ... I was promised KC and Avocado are ratings magnets.

[Soulfire]

[lemotomato]

Compared to the last episode that aired without a preemption, Arrow is holding steady in the demo, a little lower in viewership numbers. And it came back from both mini hiatuses (and daylight savings) without huge drops. Too bad it's going to get preempted two more times in NYC before the end of the season. They're going to hurt the season average. 

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-season-six-ratings/

[Starfish35]

Unrounded preliminary and half-hour ratings from RJK at SpottedRatings.com:

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Supernatural ................... 0.460 ... (0.460 ... 0.460)
Arrow .............................. 0.383 ... (0.378 ... 0.389)

[Starfish35]

Also posted in Mind Your Surroundings.

CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of March 26 (Week 27).  Source:

• Supernatural 1.3, 3.362M
• Black Lightning 0.9, 2.468M
• Arrow 0.8, 2.069M (Episode 6.16 The Thanatos Guild)
• Legends of Tomorrow 0.7, 2.043M
• Riverdale 0.7, 1.870M
• iZombie 0.4, 1.224M
• Life Sentence 0.2, 0.664M

[strikera0]

I think last week's finals haven't been posted yet:

 

[Starfish35]

From RJK at SpottedRatings.com

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Here were the L+SD FINALS for last week's CW drama originals:

The Flash ........................ 0.638
Black Lightning ............... 0.496
Supernatural ................... 0.475
Legends of Tomorrow .... 0.435
Arrow ......................... 0.379
iZombie ........................... 0.238
Jane the Virgin ................ 0.219

Also posted in Mind Your Surroundings.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Starfish35

[Starfish35]

CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of April 2 (Week 28).  Source

• Supernatural 0.84, 2.411M
• Black Lightning 0.82, 2.327M
• Legends of Tomorrow 0.73, 2.036M
• Arrow 0.62, 1.742M (Episode 6.17 Brothers in Arms)
• Jane the Virgin 0.50, 1.128M
• Life Sentence 0.26, 0.692M

Dynasty not reported.

Also posted in Mind Your Surroundings thread.

Edited April 20, 2018 by Starfish35

[apinknightmare]

1 hour ago, Starfish35 said:

• Arrow 0.8, 2.069M (Episode 6.16 The Thanatos Guild)

• Arrow 0.62, 1.742M (Episode 6.17 Brothers in Arms)

That's a huge drop - is there a reason for that apart from the general sucking? 

[BkWurm1]

Wasn't that the pre-empted week?  

[apinknightmare]

Just now, BkWurm1 said:

Wasn't that the pre-empted week?  

Yeah - do numbers usually go down for that? I would've thought more people would watch to catch up on what they missed but I guess not.

[Soulfire]

[Primal Slayer]

So it should adjust down to high 700k-800k?

[Morrigan2575]

11 hours ago, apinknightmare said:

Yeah - do numbers usually go down for that? I would've thought more people would watch to catch up on what they missed but I guess not.

Since they aired on Saturday it's possible people didn't watch (live or on DVR) within the Live+7 day window.

[lemotomato]

49 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

So it should adjust down to high 700k-800k?

800K would be my guess. Just subtract 500K from the preliminary audience numbers like last time.

[Starfish35]

I'm not sure how much the half numbers matter because of the preemption, but....

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Supernatural ..................... 0.573 ... (0.583 ... 0.563)
Arrow ................................ 0.435 ... (0.480 ... 0.390)

Source: RJK @ SpottedRatings.com

[Velocity23]

[way2interested]

Wow, it still ended up having almost 1 million.

[Primal Slayer]

One-offs are here to stay!

[way2interested]

Did normal people go into it knowing it was a one-off, though? The promo just had Diaz talking to a mobster and then Oliver and Felicity kissing in Oliver's only scene. Might be just carryover from 618.

[EmilyBettFan]

They used Prometheus in 6x18 to try to get better numbers for Diaz in 6x19.

[Starfish35]

CW Live+7 Ratings for the week of April 9 (Week 29).  Source

• The Flash. 1.33, 3.471M
• Supernatural 0.86, 2.513M
• Black Lightning 0.84, 2.405M
• Legends of Tomorrow 0.71, 2.155M
• Arrow 0.71, 1.887M (Episode 6.18 Fundamentals)
• iZombie 0.50, 1.373M
• Jane the Virgin 0.45, 1.095M

Also posted in Mind Your Surroundings thread.

Edited April 25, 2018 by Starfish35

[Starfish35]

RJK didn't post the full list of unrounded CW ratings for last week, but did post these:

Supernatural.......0.474

Arrow ................ 0.340
Supergirl ........... 0.520
The Flash ......... 0.660