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A wedding ceremony shouldn't cheapen an entire marriage. And if it does then maybe that relationship isn't as iconic/great as some think it is.  Also, saying a non-comic couple is fake and theref

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There's no OTF. Harry showed up in s2. There was never a time when the team was just Barry, Cisco and Caitlin. This isn't Arrow. People can clamor for what they want but the writers shouldn't pander t

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Iris has a greater chance of inadvertently walking into danger than not because she's kept ignorant. She doesn't know RF threatened her or killed Mason. How can you avoid danger if you don't know it's

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I really hope they mean it when they say that both ladies will have more to do this year as characters, and that what they really mean isn't "more to do, until such time as we restore the status quo." Fingers crossed. 

And where did Ausiello get his C.C. Jitters shirt? Want. 

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RedVitC

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Trailer! Looks good!

-Iris has the opening talk!

-We're getting to see how Iris feels + Iris is leading things!

-Cisco working on a way to get Barry out.

-Caitlin is back. Her hair is back to normal. She seems different.

-Is that a different suit that the Barry that's running has? I've seen people say it's the 2024 suit...

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Trini

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They are being real coy about the wedding; but it makes me think that it's still happening this season.

At least least Candice is honest: she says don't get our hopes up for Ace Reporter Iris West [::HARSH SIGH::]. I have a feeling that CCPN set is no more.

Bringing in Gypsy's father? Maybe they are serious about Cisco/Gypsy! And Danny Trejo -- awesome casting!

It's weird to see that Caitlin is back on the Team already. I know it's been months, but she did try and kill everyone not too long ago.

Joe/Iris scenes!

Looks like STAR Labs gets another re-design.

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Trini

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Press release about the new characters/actors: http://comiccon.thewb.com/the-flash-casting-news-trejo-englebrecht-sandilands/

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· Danny Trejo (Machete, From Dusk Till Dawn, Sons of Anarchy) has signed on to play the role of Breacher, a feared bounty hunter from Earth-19 and the imposing father to inter-dimensional bounty hunter, Gypsy (Jessica Camacho). His mission is to prevent any inter-dimensional traveler from threatening life on his planet — especially his daughter’s.

· Arriving in Central City as next season’s central super villain, Neil Sandilands (The 100, The Americans) will play DC villain Clifford Devoe, aka The Thinker, a metahuman with a mega mind who embarks on a season-long battle with The Flash that pits the “fastest man alive” against the “fastest mind alive.” A true genius, he’s devised an intricate plan to fix all that he deems wrong with humanity.

· Kim Engelbrecht (Dominion, Eye in the Sky) has been set as DC character The Mechanic, a highly intelligent engineer who designs devices for Devoe. As Devoe’s right hand, she’s the truest of true believers who’ll stop at nothing to help him implement his plan to fix humanity.

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So Aliza Vellani probably is playing Meena Dhawan. BTW, Meena was dating Barry Allen in the comics for a while, but I don't think they'll go there in the show.

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With regard to Felton, I'd be ok with that, as at least it's something. Before the trailer was released, I thought he'd do maybe nine or ten episodes to support the team and help bring Caitlin back and end up "going home" after the mid-season finale. But now I'm worried we'll be getting a line in the premiere about him having to leave for reasons and no actual appearance at all. It was just so odd, there wasn't a mention of him anywhere.  Maybe with the added and effects heavy characters they can't afford  to keep him, but it would make me sad if it's true. 

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With Danielle not being allowed to say anything about Caitlin's return, I wonder what twist they have planned for the premiere? I have a feeling that they're going to try and satisfy two opposing goals, and it's not going to work out either way -- like last season.

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tennisgurl

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Maybe she's an alternative universe Caitlyn who's powers and motivations made sense? 

Danny Trejo! Oh show, you always know how to keep me coming back. You son of a bitch. 

This looks delightfully Iris centric, so I'm cautiously optimistic about this season. They better work hard to get us out of the angst hole they burried us in last season. 

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Princess Lucky

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10 hours ago, Proteus said:

Damn. They're acting like Tom Felton was never on this show.

So we are getting a new Wells? Sigh.

Seconding that sigh. No Julian and no Harry? Pass.

And Iris leading the team for 3/4 of an episode before Barry inevitably returns and usurps her? Double pass. Unless the writers do her (and me) a solid and have her still lead the team for a while after Barry's return, until he gets his bearings. That I will (grudgingly) accept.

I kind of like that Caitlin will likely be a "merged" version of Caitlin and KF, and the Cisco/Cynthia stuff sounds fun, same for the Joe/Cecile stuff.

But another Wells? Can he at least be actually funny and not annoying? And maybe a little sexy, too? Oh wait, we already have a Wells like that, and his name is Harry.

Sigh indeed.

9 hours ago, Karlophe said:

With regard to Felton, I'd be ok with that, as at least it's something. Before the trailer was released, I thought he'd do maybe nine or ten episodes to support the team and help bring Caitlin back and end up "going home" after the mid-season finale. But now I'm worried we'll be getting a line in the premiere about him having to leave for reasons and no actual appearance at all. It was just so odd, there wasn't a mention of him anywhere.  Maybe with the added and effects heavy characters they can't afford  to keep him, but it would make me sad if it's true. 

Hell, I'm worried we won't even get that, and he'll just disappear without a single mention. There is a time jump, after all. And Caitlin's been gone the entire time, so maybe Julian just got bored of waiting and left the team and we won't even hear about it. The fact they're not mentioning Felton at all does not bode well.

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RedVitC

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So much interviews, it's going to take a while to gather my thoughts! As far as Barry and Iris getting married goes, after Comic Con, I still think it'll be this season. The go to avoidance of the question seemed to be, we need to get Barry out of the Speed Force first. But in ET's interview when the interviewer mentioned they'd need to plan the wedding when Barry came back they at first just agreed. Only after she askedspecifically if it would be this season they said stuff like, we need to get Barry out of the Speedforce first.  In the TvLine interview Todd said they're engaged and that their relationship will progress.

If Barry comes out of the Speed Force 'scrambled' and Iris feeling the need to work on communicating certain things it might takes some time, though. I did think their reaction to Michael Ausiello mentioning the November date on the Save the Dates was interesting... And when he asked what a wedding might look like the tease was 'big'. Todd said that it'd be different than Caitlin's marriage to Ronnie (which was very impromptu and small), him being able to claim that makes me think he has/they have already thought/talked about it at least.

Grant said in one of the interviews that he thinks that the reason people will meet up for the next crossover is going to be a happy one. That can be anything, and even if it is a wedding it doesn't have to be Barry and Iris' (since both Stephen and David have said Olicity will get married in S6). But it's interesting. I even saw someone suggesting Joe and Cecile could be getting married. 

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Trini

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Yeah, I definitely think that they have some wedding plans for Barry & Iris for Season 4; although a November crossover wedding seems a lot less likely now. I didn't mind the crossover wedding idea, because it'd be a good way to have everyone from the other shows be at the wedding.

For promo purposes, I think the cast, etc. are avoiding wedding talk because they want people to focus on tuning in to the premiere. Also, it's probably not happening soon (with Barry & Iris having to adjust to Barry's return, etc.), and that episode isn't written yet, so there's not much to discuss.

 

On 7/24/2017 at 11:24 PM, RedVitC said:

Grant said in one of the interviews that he thinks that the reason people will meet up for the next crossover is going to be a happy one. That can be anything, and even if it is a wedding it doesn't have to be Barry and Iris' (since both Stephen and David have said Olicity will get married in S6). But it's interesting. I even saw someone suggesting Joe and Cecile could be getting married. 

Across the 4 DC shows, there's not that many couples* that could get married, but Joe and Cecile are definitely one of them! I don't know if they'd marry them in the crossover, though.

 

*(Barry & Iris, or Oliver & Felicity (most likely); Alex & Maggie, or Joe & Cecile, (less likely); Nate & Amaya, Cisco & Gypsy, or Winn & Lyra (least likely))

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RedVitC

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I'm also on board for a crossover wedding, but I don't mind if it's later in the season. But I haven't written off a crossover wedding for them either. Something about the way they were acting when Ausiello brought up November...

I think at this point I'm 80% that there will be a wedding during the crossovers, and because of what Grant said that that wedding will be the reason everyone gets together for the crossovers. Whose wedding that is however is still to be determined. If it's really the really the reason people get together it could point to it being someone on Supergirl since that's the first episode of the crossovers, but it's possible that they all go there for pre-wedding celebrations.

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Karlophe

Karlophe

22 hours ago, Proteus said:

Thanks for posting. At least we now know. :(

It's my pleasure, though I'm saddened at the news. 

Here is the video confirmation for anyone whose interested:

 

Relevant bits at 3:38.

Interviewer: "Is Tom Felton coming back?"

Helbing: "Ah, no he isn't, unfortunately not coming back." 

*silence*

Well, that was...brusque. I wonder what happened. It's a shame, but I'm glad we got to enjoy him for a season.

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Trini

Trini

1 hour ago, RedVitC said:

but it's possible that they all go there for pre-wedding celebrations.

I want an 'Arrow-verse' bachelorette/bachelor party with all the cast SO BADLY.

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Trini

Trini

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About the trailer:

-Yay, Iris gets the opening monologue! She and Cisco are running STAR Labs!
- Awww - but she's sleeping on the couch instead of their bed.  ?
- Another awww - callback to Future!Cisco's "I miss my friend."
- So some version of Caitlin is back - with a cold gun?? I just... don't have any expectations for Caitlin/Killer Frost because I think it's going to be disappointing either way.
- Apparently the Samurai guy is a Flash villain from the 1960s; don't think that version had a super sword, though.
- Peekaboo! I bet she only has one scene though.
- It looks like someone escapes/attacks a pipeline cell. Man, STAR Labs security is as tight as ever.
- The SFX shots of The Flash racing through the subway has THE NEW SUIT!! The one shown in 2024! Finally a costume upgrade!!! Those shots I don't think will be in the premiere, it's probably from 4.02 or 4.03. Barry probably won't show up until the last few minutes of the premiere. Or at least I hope not.
- No Wells. They said Harry would be back, but other than that, I wonder if they'll introduce yet another Harrison Wells.

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catrice2

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I am totally ok with Tom Felton not coming back.  Julian was just one more thing that I could have done without last season.  Now if I could only get rid of Harry, HR, Wells, whatever.    At least they said they were going "lighter" this season..whatever that means. 

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RedVitC

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Julian wasn't my fav, but I think his bluntness added something to the team, but perhaps they felt that dynamic was too similar to what Harry brings? Plus his relationship with Caitlin seems unfinished. He was part of the team for about half a season and part of the show for (almost) a full season, if they knew he was leaving the should have given the character a better send off. At least have the team say goodbye.

I think the only on of the three characters they were casting for that we haven't had any casting announcement for yet is Ralph Dibny, right? I wonder if they'll bring in Sue Dibny (his wife in the comics), too or if they have other plans for the character. I think I remember the casting notice said they were looking for someone in their thirties, right?

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Proteus

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I don't see them bringing on Ralph's wife and having him tied down.

I think he'll be Caitlin's latest love interest.

The show really wasted viewers time with the Julian/Caitlin romance.

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Trini

Trini

1 hour ago, RedVitC said:

Julian wasn't my fav, but I think his bluntness added something to the team, but perhaps they felt that dynamic was too similar to what Harry brings? Plus his relationship with Caitlin seems unfinished. He was part of the team for about half a season and part of the show for (almost) a full season, if they knew he was leaving the should have given the character a better send off. At least have the team say goodbye.

I think they were hoping he'd sign on again for next season, since they didn't kill him off. I'm pretty sure they would have kept Julian/Felton if they could. I mean, I liked him, but he really didn't need to be part of the Team; he was mostly there for Caitlin.

If they do manage to convince him to to guest star again (probably only for an episode, or 2), they'd have to actually write a plot for him -- it'd be weird for him to just show up after being absent for so long.

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I liked Tom Felton in the Julian role and I liked the Julian role.  The problem was that there really wasn't much for him to do aside from moon over Caitlin.  Team Flash is already stuffed to gills with science types.  Barry himself is already a CSI.  I think they'd have been better off giving Julian mystical/occult knowledge and going at things a bit from that angle. 

As is, I'm not totally sure why we need Ralph Dibny as a super-detective given that we already have Cisco and his vibes.  It seems again like ground already covered.  Also, if he's yet another romance for Caitlin, just... no.  That's getting even sillier than the "new Harry every season" bit that Tom C. has been doing.  If the writers are having trouble writing for Caitlin they should just pretend she's a man.  That should break the block.

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Yeah. Maybe the reason they announced it so late might have been because they were still negotiating. I think Julian had a bigger reason to be there (Alchemy) but they sort of forgot. The moment they realized Savitar was out of the Speedforce the show should have picked that up again for his character, even if it was just him being afraid that he'd be taken over again. Julian and Caitlin had some cute moments, so I don't think it was a waste of time, maybe if/when he come back they'll pick it up again.

Looks like Tracy might be back at some point:

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Will Anne Dudek be returning to The Flash? — Casey
The good news is that EP Todd Helbing tells me that her character, Tracy Brand, will be back “at some point,” but she won’t necessarily be a full-fledged member of Team Flash. “I don’t believe so, but you’ll see her,” he says. As for the Barry-less Team Flash, Helbing adds: “Everybody has risen to the occasion, everybody has stepped up. You have Iris now as team leader, you have Kid Flash and Vibe going out on the town and taking out all the meta, they’re working closely with Joe and CCPD. They’re pretty formidable, but they’re still not quite [what they used to be].” In other words, they need their Barry back!

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Karlophe

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I'm glad to hear they haven't completely written off Tracy - that was her speedforce cannon they were using to get Barry out of the speedforce after all! And she was such a lovable character to me I'm happy we'll get to check in on her sometime. There's lots of potential for her to ally and assist Team Flash in the future. 

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On 7/24/2017 at 11:29 PM, Trini said:

Yeah, I definitely think that they have some wedding plans for Barry & Iris for Season 4; although a November crossover wedding seems a lot less likely now. I didn't mind the crossover wedding idea, because it'd be a good way to have everyone from the other shows be at the wedding.

For promo purposes, I think the cast, etc. are avoiding wedding talk because they want people to focus on tuning in to the premiere. Also, it's probably not happening soon (with Barry & Iris having to adjust to Barry's return, etc.), and that episode isn't written yet, so there's not much to discuss.

 

Across the 4 DC shows, there's not that many couples* that could get married, but Joe and Cecile are definitely one of them! I don't know if they'd marry them in the crossover, though.

 

*(Barry & Iris, or Oliver & Felicity (most likely); Alex & Maggie, or Joe & Cecile, (less likely); Nate & Amaya, Cisco & Gypsy, or Winn & Lyra (least likely))

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FYI about Alex and Maggie:

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Early behind the scene pictures show them already both wearing wedding rings so they will already be married long before the crossover ever happens.  Looks like they probably start the season married offscreen.  

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Trini

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Not any real new info - from EW: 'Barry Allen will return a changed man'

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“The way I see it is, time is non-linear and everything is happening at once in the Speed Force,” Gustin tells EW. “In some ways he’s had an awakening and he’s had a rebirth. Our first episode is called ‘Reborn,’ and it is a rebirth for Barry, but he’s kind of scrambled, too, because he’s experienced so much so quick over the course of six months, even though for him it was an eternity. He’s not Barry when we see him for the first time.”

Barry isn’t the only one who has changed, though. In the months since he’s been gone, Iris has taken over Team Flash, but she’s definitely struggling with Barry’s absence. “Obviously they had a wedding planned,” Patton says. “They did defeat Savitar and thought they were going to live happily ever after, but at the last minute Barry decided to go into the Speed Force, so she’s really, really going through it. She’s choosing to be as strong as she possibly can. Barry told her to keep running, keep being strong, and that’s what she’s doing. When we pick up season 4, Iris takes the mantle of Team Flash; she’s the leader, the boss, the overwatch for Team Flash while Barry is gone, which is a cool new role for her to play.”

However, don’t expect Barry and Iris to fall back into near-marital bliss when he returns. “There’s going to be some trust issues,” Patton says. “He left and didn’t really ask her or discuss it with her. He just kind of does things and comes back and says, ‘I hope you’re okay with that.’ They’re going to have to really work on their relationship before they actually tie the knot — if and when he comes out. There’s going to be some work that needs to be done before they actually put rings on each other’s fingers.”

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A round up of Comic Con info from Hollywood Reporter; even though I think some of this is the author's interpretation and not info from the cast and producers:

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Heartbreak ahead | Casting news spells trouble for both Caitlin (Danielle Panabaker) and Cisco (Carlos Valdes). Tom Felton, who plays Caitlin's love interest Julian, will not be back as a series regular in season four. The Harry Potter alum did not attend Comic-Con with the cast, has not booked a return to the show and isn't seen at all in the trailer for the new season, so it's unclear whether or not he'll be back at all. EW first reported this news. As for Cisco's love interest Gypsy (Jessica Camacho), despite her father Breacher (played by Danny Trejo) debuting this season, Camacho has just joined NBC's Taken as a series regular in season two, meaning her time on The CW series is limited. ...

Caitllin ... Frost? | Getting a big cheers during the panel, the appearance of Killer Frost in the trailer was a huge hit. But Panabaker revealed that she's playing a combination of Caitlin Snow and Killer Frost this season, the metahuman version of herself who isn't a villain. She'll be a part of Team Flash, but there's no telling how she'll get along with (or fight) her former friends moving forward. It's a relief to finally see the series address the narrative plot hole of why other metahumans like Barry (Grant Gustin) are still the same person they were before the particle accelerator explosion, unlike Caitlin who turned into a murderer immediately.

Running as fast as she can | But it was Iris (Candice Patton) who got the biggest cheers during the trailer debut, as it was revealed that she is taking to heart Barry's request to keep running without him there. She's now the de facto leader of Team Flash, and while she misses her fiance, she's looking forward. She isn't wallowing on the couch; she's fighting crime. She's truly the strongest person on the team and keeping everyone afloat during Barry's absence. This is the Iris we deserve.

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Info from Collider's roundtable Comic Con interviews; some excerpts:

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• No one was 100% sure what version Wells is going to show up for Season 4, but Harry (Earth-2 Wells) will be there for a time. Other than that, no one would say.

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• ... As Carlos Valdes explained it, “I can tell you straight up, It’s not good. Six months have passed since the disappearance of Barry Allen and the team is sort of clutching at straws to keep the city together, and though Kid Flash and Vibe are out in the field doing their thing and trying to keep it together, there is a unanimous feeling amongst the remaining members that it’s just not the same without Barry. We cannot keep the villains at bay with the same efficiency that he used to. So in light of that, Cisco does whatever it takes to get his friends back.”

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• ... [Iris has] had to sort of step into the role that Barry left. It’s a way of distracting herself too. She’s obviously depressed and sad that Barry’s gone, not sure when he’s going to come back, so it’s a good distraction for her to be the leader.” She explained further, “She deals with that in her own way, I think you’ll see a very different Iris in Season 4; she’s almost hardened and a little more pessimistic, and is kind of like, we gotta move forward, we gotta just keep moving. We don’t know if Barry’s coming back, we can’t deal with that, all we can deal with is protecting the city.”

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• Valdes also confirmed audiences see the return of Cisco’s more lighthearted joking manner. When speaking on the role his character has played on the show, and what the events of Season 3 did he said, “I got to imbue it with a life that I didn’t anticipate, and that allowed the character to blossom. Their response to that was allowing him to go through stuff and experience some challenges and mature in light of them. I’m so grateful for that because it allows Cisco not just to grow in front of the viewers’ eyes, but also to develop some dimension as a character. In spite of that, everybody agrees that last season was really dark, so I think the writers have decided to respond to that by making the next season much lighter. I think they recognize that Season 1 had a strength that really hit viewers in a very good spot, and I think they’re really trying to go back to that.”

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• [Gustin] also talked a little about this season’s big crossover with the other DC shows: “I don’t know too much, but what I have heard: last year was an alien invasion, so it was pretty intense. This one will hopefully be more fun. It won’t be impending doom necessarily that brings us together, it’ll hopefully be a more fun reason that brings us together.”

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