S05.E03: Four Walls And A Roof

[lawless]

Current Rick would kick former Rick's ass and be aggravated that he had to do it.

This is ever so true.  And I feel so much more for Carol now, because whether she admits it or not, thoughts like this must go through her mind, and she must realize that if she knew then what she knows now, her daughter would most likely be alive and well.  I used to despise Carol, but her transformation has been fascinating, and while I still don't always like her or relate to her, I do feel for her on some things and this is one of them.  Oh the regret that must always run through her subconscious about having gotten wise and gutsy, but just not soon enough for her daughter.

 

In fairness to Tyrese, I thought he and Sasha hid out with some other people in a bomb shelter until their food ran out -- I had the impression that was quite a long time.  So he and Sasha have had less time out in this world to get used to it.  Sasha has made the adjustments more easily, but that seems to be a little bit more part of her personality.  She's very pragmatic.  Tyrese also may be afraid of losing control of himself more than others because he's a big powerful guy and knows he could hurt someone he doesn't mean to. Finding the right balance is probably hard for all of them, and Rick struggled mightily too.

 

As for a possible explanation as to why he failed to kill Martin and kept quiet about it -- Sasha asked Bob what the silver lining was about his death, and of course he never answered -- and just then, Tyrese comes in the room to take care of making sure Bob didn't rise as a Walker.  Maybe that was supposed to be the silver lining?  That Tyrese was finally starting to accept the necessary?  And leaving Martin alive in the episode prior was to show that Tyrese wasn't quite there yet?  Otherwise, I got nothing.

Edited November 2, 2014 by lawless

[Bruinsfan]

Congregants or not, what rural Georgian couldn't have busted through and hiked themselves through those windows? 

An angry loner in a wheelchair who couldn't reach the windowsills unaided? I don't know, Father Gabriel carving it himself in a fit of guilt or while sleepwalking seems likelier to me.

 

On the "cure" front, wouldn't any ability to fight the cause of reanimation depend on what's actually doing it? As of several months into the zombie apocalypse, the full resources of the CDC and its foreign equivalents had been unable to determine exactly what was responsible - that says to me something a lot weirder than easily cultured bacteria. Maybe a virus, maybe an airborne prion disease, maybe some weird fungal bloom with similarities to O. unilateralis, hell, maybe something going hinky in the morphic field of the human race. Whatever it is, it managed to spread worldwide with a virulence that puts the Spanish flu or Black Death to shame, and any cure for it would have to be similarly pervasive.

Edited November 2, 2014 by Bruinsfan

[Guest]

Afor a possible explanation as to why he failed to kill Martin and kept quiet about it -- Sasha asked Bob what the silver lining was about his death, and of course he never answered -- and just then, Tyrese comes in the room to take care of making sure Bob didn't rise as a Walker.  Maybe that was supposed to be the silver lining?  That Tyrese was finally starting to accept the necessary?  And leaving Martin alive in the episode prior was to show that Tyrese wasn't quite there yet?  Otherwise, I got nothing.

 

Except that I thought that was the point of killing all the Zombies at the cabin.  But no because he let Martin live.

 

Its possible it will come up later on.  Tyreese is pretending a lot never happened (the Grove).  It may be that not killing Martin and Martin coming after them may weigh on him.  I think whether it was pointless or not depends on whether Tyreese ever confesses.

Edited November 2, 2014 by ParadoxLost

[cal]

 

Tyreese is pretending a lot never happened (the Grove).  It may be that not killing Martin and Martin coming after them may weigh on him.  I think whether it was pointless or not depends on whether Tyreese ever confesses.

 

I like the fact that Sasha was the one to kill/overkill Martin.  I'm sure Tyrese is going to be weighed down with even more guilt that because he didn't do what he should have done (kill Martin), his sister ended up being the one to have to kill Martin and she went all crazy with the knife on him.  That temporary craziness that she displayed during the killing may be the impetus that causes him to confess.

[Malaprop cocktail]

Sounds about right to me, Nashville.

 

And this?

 

Ha! I too do not believe a word that comes out of that mealy-mouthed Monsignor Makeatinkle's (Double HA!) psalm-saying piehole.

 

I mean, do we know if he even IS a priest?

 

I think we are supposed to infer from the picture of him and the bespectacled organist that he is really a priest. At least, he was wearing the clerical attire in the photo, which was presumably taken and printed prior to the ZA. I guess it could have been a Halloween costume or something, but Occam's razor tells me he was/is a priest.

[AngelaHunter]

At least, he was wearing the clerical attire in the photo, which was presumably taken and printed prior to the ZA. I guess it could have been a Halloween costume or something, but Occam's razor tells me he was/is a priest.

 

You're right! I'm wrong! LOL @ the Halloween costume. 

[kj4ever]

I like the fact that Sasha was the one to kill/overkill Martin.  I'm sure Tyrese is going to be weighed down with even more guilt that because he didn't do what he should have done (kill Martin), his sister ended up being the one to have to kill Martin and she went all crazy with the knife on him.  That temporary craziness that she displayed during the killing may be the impetus that causes him to confess.

Won't they know?  When Gareth was doing the whole "You might as well come out" speech he said something about them having more people than they had, and even said "Tyreese's friend Martin".  Granted they were under stress, but it wouldn't take much to put two and two together.

[JBody]

When Gareth said "Tyreese's good friend Martin" I actually laughed. That's some TWOP-levels of snarkiness right there. Gareth was a much more enjoyable antagonist than the Gov. Perhaps also because his time on the show was so brief. Do not RIP Gareth, you magnificent Starbucks manager bastard you.

[NoWillToResist]

 

When Gareth said "Tyreese's good friend Martin" I actually laughed. That's some TWOP-levels of snarkiness right there. Gareth was a much more enjoyable antagonist than the Gov.

 

I confess I laughed when he made the comment about keeping Judith around because he was starting to like the kid (after she cried and gave away their location). Heh.

[ghoulina]

I agree. I loved Gareth as a villain. And the duration of his time on the show may have played into it. I guess we'll never know if he would have annoyed like the Guv, but I am glad they took him out while he was still interesting and scary. I also just like a villain who isn't obvious. While I also found Joe interesting, I put that mainly on Kober. But if we got too many of those "bad ass" type of bad guys, it would get old very quickly. 

[kikismom]

Rewatching Bob's death scene I had a bad laugh when Bob says "I didn't think there were any good people left" and I expected Rick to say What changed your mind?

and Bob would say You know and Rick would get a look on his face like Oh crap--he's in love with me!

[Haleth]

Well, that was a HELL YEAH moment when Rick and the gang showed up at the church and took out the termites. When Gareth popped up last episode I had to look ahead to make sure he got his just desserts (and I don't mean rhuBob pie). Thank goodness it didn't take long. I'd had enough of his mustache twirling. I was only somewhat disturbed by the brutality that Rick and Sasha showed.

TAINTED MEAT was another hell yeah.

I'm so glad Michonne was reunited with her katana. The walkers don't stand a chance.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Haleth

[CletusMusashi]

Heh heh. RhuBob.

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

I'm slightly missing the Terminus Hunters cannibals, just for the grisly humor chances that went gone with them.

 

Gareth (or whoever) gives a spiel about why they do what they do, trying to get the victim to see the 'light'.

Captive: "Oh, just shut up and eat me! ... No, wait!!  I meant metaphorically, you shitheads!  Perhaps my phrasing could use some work." 

Edited January 20, 2015 by iRarelyWatchTV36

[kikismom]

The writing of the Termites reminded me of Seasons 1 and 2 of CDB; we could get a sample of an entire dynamic of their group and relationships and history.

I'm not even referring to those brief intro- and end- scenes of them in the train cars themselves (as victims)/ I am talking about the conversations between Martin and the "dispatcher" about the hapless Albert,  Martin talking to Carol and Tyreese,  Gareth in the poster room and talking to the bat and machete team in the abbatoir.

That was well written and well acted, and gave a sense of a real, believable community in just a few minutes of that episode.

Yet we have endless screen time and dialogue from the Grady Bunch yet neither viewers nor critics could make any sense out of that whole set-up. (They knock people down with cars so they are injured and they can use resources to heal them so they can live and use up resources to do laundry so the cops can go knock down more people? Or they use resources to heal them but it fails and they waste the entire effort and throw them to walkers? This helps Grady's survival how?)

Edited January 20, 2015 by kikismom

[NurseGiGi]

The writing of the Termites reminded me of Seasons 1 and 2 of CDB; we could get a sample of an entire dynamic of their group and relationships and history.

I'm not even referring to those brief intro- and end- scenes of them in the train cars themselves (as victims)/ I am talking about the conversations between Martin and the "dispatcher" about the hapless Albert,  Martin talking to Carol and Tyreese,  Gareth in the poster room and talking to the bat and machete team in the abbatoir.

That was well written and well acted, and gave a sense of a real, believable community in just a few minutes of that episode.

 

This is exactly what I miss about the scooby gang.  They were originally able to develop characters without bottleneck episodes and I hope they correct course when the season resumes.

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

The writing of the Termites reminded me of Seasons 1 and 2 of CDB; we could get a sample of an entire dynamic of their group and relationships and history.

I'm not even referring to those brief intro- and end- scenes of them in the train cars themselves (as victims)/ I am talking about the conversations between Martin and the "dispatcher" about the hapless Albert,  Martin talking to Carol and Tyreese,  Gareth in the poster room and talking to the bat and machete team in the abbatoir.

That was well written and well acted, and gave a sense of a real, believable community in just a few minutes of that episode.

Yet we have endless screen time and dialogue from the Grady Bunch yet neither viewers nor critics could make any sense out of that whole set-up. (They knock people down with cars so they are injured and they can use resources to heal them so they can live and use up resources to do laundry so the cops can go knock down more people? Or they use resources to heal them but it fails and they waste the entire effort and throw them to walkers? This helps Grady's survival how?)

 

I have to agree about just WTF all that Grady stuff was about.

 

At times it seemed like an 'inmates running the asylum' type of setup, where the cops under Sgt QueenB had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to the "patients";  of which they took many liberties.   But at other times, she seemed to (want to) rule with an iron fist.  Beth helped, but she still fought and killed the one deputy by 'shafting' him - after exclaiming outrage of what they were doing to the girls.

 

That whole sequence was displayed as one epsiode Lerner was Ms. UltraHardass, but then the next she was a practicing Mother Theresa.  Pick and stick, woman!  (after you get done cleaning up your wrecked cranial mess off the floor and wall)

Edited January 21, 2015 by iRarelyWatchTV36